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comhcinc wrote:
d4m10n wrote:
John D wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:55 am
Harris is being strangely reactionary regarding AI. There is nothing magically risky with AI or any other kind of information style technology. Harris looks like a Luddite try to destroy machinery by tossing a wrench in the works. Why is AI so special that it is more risky that any technology... steam trains... autos... computers... TVs... radios... the interblogs. People are not that good at reliably predicting the future because we don't really know how these new inventions will affect us. In my opinion, worrying about the future, and pretending you can make changes now to combat some future unknowable risks is a waste of energy.
Keating wrote: There's some truth here, particularly given that even if the US doesn't develop AI, China almost certainly will. I think AI is much further off than some people worry, but I do think it is something to worry about. It's special because we're playing with what makes humans special. The risk, as I see it, comes from the perception the AI has. I can't remember who said it, but someone pointed out that even if we could communicate with ants, we'd have nothing to discuss; we're just too different. If the AI we develop is more intelligent than us, but it can't understand us, we have a big problem.
We have a big problem if we develop any general intelligence which has the ability to incrementally improve upon its own intelligence (or the intelligence of subsequent iterations) at great speed, but which has goals even slightly out of alignment with our own. Suppose, for example, that the first self-improving AI somehow ends up with a set of terminal values drawn from the Quran. We'd all be living in Dar al-Islam within less than a generation.
I guess my issue is let's say that happens there is an AI that becomes very smart and "evil" how does it kill everyone? I mean let's say the Google search engine (which does use a form of AI) becomes evil. What's it going to do? Give me the wrong porn results?
Let's say you're on probation and you get caught with a little pot.

Your legal advice is automated, as is the adjudication, but there is still a human jury. Machine learning has become adept at interpreting law, from thousands and thousands of prior cases. There is also a probabation database that predicts your likelihood or reoffending, versus cost to the state, thus building up a fairly accurate picture of what you're likely to do, and the best punishment.

The problem is the system has already inherited the bias in those decisions, without even knowing. Worse still, the extent of this system is so great even your appeal is automated, and weighed similarly. The recommended judgement would be, in other words, perfectly 'fair'. But what if the system decided the most efficient punishment along cost/benefit is a life of hard labour? Or, to use an extreme idea, death?

We assign objectivity to machines that they don't actually have. That's the danger of AI.

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From the article:
The most interesting statistic in the survey shows that women are vastly overrepresented in the publishing industry: 84.6% of publishing workers are female. Funnily enough, this didn’t come up much in the reaction to Shriver. Penguin Random House has included gender as part of its new diversity pledge – so can we expect it to cut over three tenths of its female workforce to achieve equal gender representation?

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comhcinc wrote:

I guess my issue is let's say that happens there is an AI that becomes very smart and "evil" how does it kill everyone? I mean let's say the Google search engine (which does use a form of AI) becomes evil. What's it going to do? Give me the wrong porn results?
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Sulman wrote:
d4m10n wrote:
John D wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:55 am
Harris is being strangely reactionary regarding AI. There is nothing magically risky with AI or any other kind of information style technology. Harris looks like a Luddite try to destroy machinery by tossing a wrench in the works. Why is AI so special that it is more risky that any technology... steam trains... autos... computers... TVs... radios... the interblogs. People are not that good at reliably predicting the future because we don't really know how these new inventions will affect us. In my opinion, worrying about the future, and pretending you can make changes now to combat some future unknowable risks is a waste of energy.
Keating wrote: There's some truth here, particularly given that even if the US doesn't develop AI, China almost certainly will. I think AI is much further off than some people worry, but I do think it is something to worry about. It's special because we're playing with what makes humans special. The risk, as I see it, comes from the perception the AI has. I can't remember who said it, but someone pointed out that even if we could communicate with ants, we'd have nothing to discuss; we're just too different. If the AI we develop is more intelligent than us, but it can't understand us, we have a big problem.
We have a big problem if we develop any general intelligence which has the ability to incrementally improve upon its own intelligence (or the intelligence of subsequent iterations) at great speed, but which has goals even slightly out of alignment with our own. Suppose, for example, that the first self-improving AI somehow ends up with a set of terminal values drawn from the Quran. We'd all be living in Dar al-Islam within less than a generation.
It's also because too many people generalise AI and believe the threat will be in the shape of killer robots or HAL-9000.

It's much more insidious than that. Look at machine learning. Right now it is applied to just about any patterns you can imagine, and it's largely positive when applied to problems like healthcare and farming.

The problem is us. Take Google's automated assistant; the more you defer to technology, the further from the decision chain you put yourself. When an algorithim is managing your life and communication, what are you? Who are you? The assumption is that the machine is correct, but what happens when you know it's not, but it has become too big to stop, or because you no longer have the knowledge? For example the stock market, or food distribution, or autonomous vehicles, or - and it is happening already - in the law courts?

Machines won't take over in the sense they'll turn up at your house and put you in a human slave camp, they will do so incrementally, in you car, in your phone, and in your house.
I've mentioned it before, but the seminal work here is "The Machine Stops" by E.M. Forster.

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comhcinc wrote:
I guess my issue is let's say that happens there is an AI that becomes very smart and "evil" how does it kill everyone? I mean let's say the Google search engine (which does use a form of AI) becomes evil. What's it going to do? Give me the wrong porn results?
Wrong porn results? The more I learn about AI, the less I like it.

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Sulman wrote: Let's say you're on probation and you get caught with a little pot.

Your legal advice is automated, as is the adjudication, but there is still a human jury. Machine learning has become adept at interpreting law, from thousands and thousands of prior cases. There is also a probabation database that predicts your likelihood or reoffending, versus cost to the state, thus building up a fairly accurate picture of what you're likely to do, and the best punishment.

The problem is the system has already inherited the bias in those decisions, without even knowing. Worse still, the extent of this system is so great even your appeal is automated, and weighed similarly. The recommended judgement would be, in other words, perfectly 'fair'. But what if the system decided the most efficient punishment along cost/benefit is a life of hard labour? Or, to use an extreme idea, death?

We assign objectivity to machines that they don't actually have. That's the danger of AI.
There's a Gordon R Dickson story that's told as a series of automated letters. It starts off with someone being sent a letter notifying him of a fine for an overdue library book (Kidnapped by Robert Louis Stephenson) and ends with him being executed for the kidnap and murder of Robert Louis Stephenson. Just slight misinterpretations in each step that a human would have picked up on...

Even pro-AI writers like Isaac Asimov recognised that benign AI could lead to negative consequences. An AI built to ensure that, even through its inaction, a human being must not be allowed to come to harm, would put draconian limitations on the ability of humans to act according to their own will.

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Sulman wrote:
Let's say you're on probation and you get caught with a little pot.

Your legal advice is automated, as is the adjudication, but there is still a human jury. Machine learning has become adept at interpreting law, from thousands and thousands of prior cases. There is also a probabation database that predicts your likelihood or reoffending, versus cost to the state, thus building up a fairly accurate picture of what you're likely to do, and the best punishment.

The problem is the system has already inherited the bias in those decisions, without even knowing. Worse still, the extent of this system is so great even your appeal is automated, and weighed similarly. The recommended judgement would be, in other words, perfectly 'fair'. But what if the system decided the most efficient punishment along cost/benefit is a life of hard labour? Or, to use an extreme idea, death?

We assign objectivity to machines that they don't actually have. That's the danger of AI.
My previous joke aside, this is a real concern.

I can think of some scenario which sounds scarily plausible: let's say we completely automate healthcare, and assign a value to the costs and benefits of any specific therapy according to some set of variables. It's perfectly possible that an AI might learn that when the costs exceed the benefits it's better not to cure you. Or even that, since your suffering is one of the costs, that it's better to euthanize you to stop any further suffering.

Let's say that AI also manages mental health. A possible outcome might be that the AI might decide that people with incurable mental conditions which make them suffer might be better off dead, and switch their meds with poison. Boom, Nazi AIs. Allegedly "benevolent" Nazi AIs.

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SM1957 wrote:
comhcinc wrote:
I guess my issue is let's say that happens there is an AI that becomes very smart and "evil" how does it kill everyone? I mean let's say the Google search engine (which does use a form of AI) becomes evil. What's it going to do? Give me the wrong porn results?
Wrong porn results? The more I learn about AI, the less I like it.
Google 'brave and beautiful woman' these days and you are likely to find someone with a beard and a dick.

Call be impatient but if I'm desperate for a wank I don't want to have to specify gamettes in my steersbot engine.

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Social justice already uses an algorithm for determining guilt. If 90% of rape accusations are true then, on the balance of probability, every accused man should be found guilty. And if they are all guilty we have to revise the estimate of probability up to 100% so why bother with a trial anyway?

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Kirbmarc wrote:
My previous joke aside, this is a real concern.

I can think of some scenario which sounds scarily plausible: let's say we completely automate healthcare, and assign a value to the costs and benefits of any specific therapy according to some set of variables. It's perfectly possible that an AI might learn that when the costs exceed the benefits it's better not to cure you. Or even that, since your suffering is one of the costs, that it's better to euthanize you to stop any further suffering.

Let's say that AI also manages mental health. A possible outcome might be that the AI might decide that people with incurable mental conditions which make them suffer might be better off dead, and switch their meds with poison. Boom, Nazi AIs. Allegedly "benevolent" Nazi AIs.
A lot of people are against legalizing euthanasia because they fear it will lead to the state deciding who gets to live.

Obviously they should be listened to and their warnings heeded.

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Lsuoma wrote:
I've mentioned it before, but the seminal work here is "The Machine Stops" by E.M. Forster.
I half remember reading it in a short story collection - but I may be conflating it with the similar Isaac Asimov one. (Details in wiki-link added above).

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Tigzy wrote: Hitchens (the inferior one) once tweeted a question asking folks what would make them believe in god. I replied with god rearranging the stars in the night sky to show a pointillist depiction of the Nativity.
Even that wouldn't convince me. I'd need evidence that couldn't be explained away as schizophrenia or an acid flashback. England winning the World Cup or something.

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Shatterface wrote:
There's a Gordon R Dickson story that's told as a series of automated letters. It starts off with someone being sent a letter notifying him of a fine for an overdue library book (Kidnapped by Robert Louis Stephenson) and ends with him being executed for the kidnap and murder of Robert Louis Stephenson. Just slight misinterpretations in each step that a human would have picked up on...

Even pro-AI writers like Isaac Asimov recognised that benign AI could lead to negative consequences. An AI built to ensure that, even through its inaction, a human being must not be allowed to come to harm, would put draconian limitations on the ability of humans to act according to their own will.
Sounds great. Like a modern interpretation of dealing with a stubborn 'Pigs is Pigs' bureaucracy.

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MarcusAu wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:
I've mentioned it before, but the seminal work here is "The Machine Stops" by E.M. Forster.
I half remember reading it in a short story collection - but I may be conflating it with the similar Isaac Asimov one. (Details in wiki-link added above).
I read The Machine Stops in the Eighties and didn't think much of it because the mechanised HG Wells style utopia it was critiquing was out of date, but the Internet made it relevant again.

It's basically about a future where human beings have no physical contact with each other but sit at home posting their thoughts about art, entertainment or politics on social media.

It was probably an influence on Asimov's The Naked Sun but much better written. I should read more Forster. He's mostly famous for novels about repressed Edwardians but his short stories are mainly fantasy.

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MarcusAu wrote:
Shatterface wrote:
There's a Gordon R Dickson story that's told as a series of automated letters. It starts off with someone being sent a letter notifying him of a fine for an overdue library book (Kidnapped by Robert Louis Stephenson) and ends with him being executed for the kidnap and murder of Robert Louis Stephenson. Just slight misinterpretations in each step that a human would have picked up on...

Even pro-AI writers like Isaac Asimov recognised that benign AI could lead to negative consequences. An AI built to ensure that, even through its inaction, a human being must not be allowed to come to harm, would put draconian limitations on the ability of humans to act according to their own will.
Sounds great. Like a modern interpretation of dealing with a stubborn 'Pigs is Pigs' bureaucracy.
Couldn't even link the cartoon?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzlRnuDLsV0

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Kirbmarc wrote: Peter Hitchens is a thin-skinned crybaby, exhibit 1:
Exhibit 2:
He probably expects universal adoration from the entire internet. :bjarte:
To his credit, Hitchens the Less did slay in a public debate noted atheist intellectual, Alex Gabriel.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote: Peter Hitchens is a thin-skinned crybaby, exhibit 1:
Exhibit 2:
He probably expects universal adoration from the entire internet. :bjarte:
To his credit, Hitchens the Less did slay in a public debate noted atheist intellectual, Alex Gabriel.
What did Alex' grandma think?

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MarcusAu wrote: Sounds great. Like a modern interpretation of dealing with a stubborn 'Pigs is Pigs' bureaucracy.
Yes, that's the Dickson story though I misrepremembered some of the details.

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Lsuoma wrote: I've mentioned it before, but the seminal work here is "The Machine Stops" by E.M. Forster.
Free online text:
http://archive.ncsa.illinois.edu/prajlich/forster.html

And pretty much all of Forster for free DL:
https://archive.org/search.php?query=e.m.%20forster

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This always makes me laugh regarding AI:


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Shatterface wrote:
MarcusAu wrote: Sounds great. Like a modern interpretation of dealing with a stubborn 'Pigs is Pigs' bureaucracy.
Yes, that's the Dickson story though I misrepremembered some of the details.
These are the things that make me appreciate this board all the more...and that make life worth living...

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Offensive Americans (and I suppose Dutch)...

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Over on Twatter, James Lindsay (he of the "Imaginary Penis" hoax fame) has pointed out that Nature is slowly slipping in Po-Mo into its science reporting:
From the article:
There are moral and ethical reasons for institutions to act. And there are other potential benefits, too. Firms are recognizing that diversity — and associated attitudes and behaviours — is a business issue. A report from consultancy firm McKinsey earlier this year was just the latest to set out the healthy relationship between a company’s approach to inclusion and diversity and its bottom line. The report, Delivering through Diversity, reaffirms the positive link between a firm’s financial performance and its diversity — which it defines in terms of the proportion of women and the ethnic and cultural composition of the leadership of large companies.

Could something similar be true in science? As we discuss in a News Feature this week, some studies suggest that a team with a good mix of perspectives is associated with increased productivity.
It sounds like a big leap to jump from "a mix of perspectives " and "a firm's financial performance" to "we MUST promote diversity in science".

The correlation between inclusion and diversity and the bottom line of a company might not be causal: it might be that richer companies are more able to have a diverse staff. Nothing says this must be true for science, and that an explicit focus on mandatory diversity is necessary beneficial.

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Well, America increased its productivity in its space programme by hiring Nazi scientists, rather than relying on exclusively American scientists.

Increasing diversity put a man on the moon!

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John D wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:55 am
Harris is being strangely reactionary regarding AI. There is nothing magically risky with AI or any other kind of information style technology. Harris looks like a Luddite try to destroy machinery by tossing a wrench in the works. Why is AI so special that it is more risky that any technology... steam trains... autos... computers... TVs... radios... the interblogs. People are not that good at reliably predicting the future because we don't really know how these new inventions will affect us. In my opinion, worrying about the future, and pretending you can make changes now to combat some future unknowable risks is a waste of energy.
Keating wrote: There's some truth here, particularly given that even if the US doesn't develop AI, China almost certainly will. I think AI is much further off than some people worry, but I do think it is something to worry about. It's special because we're playing with what makes humans special. The risk, as I see it, comes from the perception the AI has. I can't remember who said it, but someone pointed out that even if we could communicate with ants, we'd have nothing to discuss; we're just too different. If the AI we develop is more intelligent than us, but it can't understand us, we have a big problem.
d4m10n wrote: We have a big problem if we develop any general intelligence which has the ability to incrementally improve upon its own intelligence (or the intelligence of subsequent iterations) at great speed, but which has goals even slightly out of alignment with our own. Suppose, for example, that the first self-improving AI somehow ends up with a set of terminal values drawn from the Quran. We'd all be living in Dar al-Islam within less than a generation.
comhcinc wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:31 am
I guess my issue is let's say that happens there is an AI that becomes very smart and "evil" how does it kill everyone? I mean let's say the Google search engine (which does use a form of AI) becomes evil. What's it going to do? Give me the wrong porn results?
Just to stick with my (admittedly silly and off-the-cuff) example, a superintelligent AI bent on converting the world to Islam could do the hard thinky work on something like the Manhattan Project II, and then give the results to exactly the sort of people who are also bent on converting the world to Islam.

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I don't see why an AI would support Islam unless it's code was dictated by the Angel Gabriel.

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AI will inherit its creators' predispositions so the moment it switches itself on it'll watch porn and order pizza.

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Pangbourne Philosophy organises an conference - 'A Day of Reflection'.

People on Twitter are offended.
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Kel Surprize..

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A reassuring read from a pioneer of AI.
https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article ... ssion=true

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MarcusAu wrote: Pangbourne Philosophy organises an conference - 'A Day of Reflection'.

People on Twitter are offended.
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Kel Surprize..
Obviously hasn't heard of Jezfest then.

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That's near Pomerode. That area is heavily German-influenced. Check out the place names on Google maps.

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This is the secret base of National Socialist Rescue.

The pool pulls back so they can launch Donnervogel Ein.

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''Anyone with a cervix...''


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Shatterface wrote: ''Anyone with a cervix...''

Probably not what your thinking. Hysterectomy may remove the cervix and of course surgery for cervical cancer.

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Can you bring pets?

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I think if you've had a hysterectomy you probably know whether you need cervical screening or not because it's something you'd have discussed with your doctor.

If the intent is to reach out to people without a great deal of medical knowledge - i.e. the people who might not know they need screening - the word 'woman' might be of more use.

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Same with prostate exams. A lot of men might not know what a prostate is but if they've had it removed they'll know all about it.

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I think I had my cervix out when I was 4. Or am I thinking of tonsils? Anyway, I'd better make an appointment for a test, as you can't be too careful. If only there was a way for me to tell whether I have a cervix or not without wasting valuable NHS time and resources......

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Shatterface wrote: I think if you've had a hysterectomy you probably know whether you need cervical screening or not because it's something you'd have discussed with your doctor.

If the intent is to reach out to people without a great deal of medical knowledge - i.e. the people who might not know they need screening - the word 'woman' might be of more use.
Hysterectomy doesn't always remove it.

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Shatterface wrote: Same with prostate exams. A lot of men might not know what a prostate is but if they've had it removed they'll know all about it.
Check with your lawyer if you're not sure...


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Re: There are 2018 genders... and a bitch ain't one

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Yowza! Hoping to see more "normalized relations!"

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Just read this.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/31867/12 ... en-shapiro

I find this shit really annoying. It lends credence to Trump's "they are all out to get me" claims.

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comhcinc wrote: Just read this.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/31867/12 ... en-shapiro

I find this shit really annoying. It lends credence to Trump's "they are all out to get me" claims.
I wonder why if the FBI wanted to get Trump they didn't leak that the Trump campaign was under investigation for collusion with the Russians before the election? Instead, they shafted Hillary by announcing they were reopening the investigation on her.

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free thoughtpolice wrote:
I wonder why if the FBI wanted to get Trump they didn't leak that the Trump campaign was under investigation for collusion with the Russians before the election? Instead, they shafted Hillary by announcing they were reopening the investigation on her.
Comey Revealed The Reopened Investigation To Congress Because He Thought Hillary Was Going To Win, and He Wanted To Preserve Her Legitimacy. This is what the report explicitly says: “we found that his decision was the result of several interrelated factors that were connected to his concern that failing to send the letter would harm the FBI and his ability to lead it, and his view that candidate Clinton was going to win the presidency and that she would be perceived to be an illegitimate president if the public first learned of the information after the election.” Comey didn’t speak with anyone at the DOJ about releasing the letter.

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comhcinc wrote: Just read this.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/31867/12 ... en-shapiro

I find this shit really annoying. It lends credence to Trump's "they are all out to get me" claims.
Not impressed. Most of this is out of context, and the Justice Dept rightfully spanked Comey a bit and concluded it wasn't politically biased. Agents are allowed to have opinions concerning their future Supreme Leader, and tho there was hyperbole, there was a lot around Obama and Hillary as well.

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Shatterface wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:39 am
I think if you've had a hysterectomy you probably know whether you need cervical screening or not because it's something you'd have discussed with your doctor.

If the intent is to reach out to people without a great deal of medical knowledge - i.e. the people who might not know they need screening - the word 'woman' might be of more use.
But woman is a contested word, don't you know.

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CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
comhcinc wrote: Just read this.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/31867/12 ... en-shapiro

I find this shit really annoying. It lends credence to Trump's "they are all out to get me" claims.
Not impressed. Most of this is out of context, and the Justice Dept rightfully spanked Comey a bit and concluded it wasn't politically biased. Agents are allowed to have opinions concerning their future Supreme Leader, and tho there was hyperbole, there was a lot around Obama and Hillary as well.
Let me make it clear. I do not believe the FBI worked to stop Trump from getting elected. I also don't believe that Clinton was given any more of a pass as any other senator.

But people who already believe that the "deep state" is out for Trump now have the tiniest of molehills out of which to create their mountains. Frankly if the FBI won't have assumed Hillary was going to win I have a feeling they would have been more careful with this shit.

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comhcinc wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:
I wonder why if the FBI wanted to get Trump they didn't leak that the Trump campaign was under investigation for collusion with the Russians before the election? Instead, they shafted Hillary by announcing they were reopening the investigation on her.
Comey Revealed The Reopened Investigation To Congress Because He Thought Hillary Was Going To Win, and He Wanted To Preserve Her Legitimacy. This is what the report explicitly says: “we found that his decision was the result of several interrelated factors that were connected to his concern that failing to send the letter would harm the FBI and his ability to lead it, and his view that candidate Clinton was going to win the presidency and that she would be perceived to be an illegitimate president if the public first learned of the information after the election.” Comey didn’t speak with anyone at the DOJ about releasing the letter.
I was thinking about the Strzok text.
FBI Agents Lisa Page and Peter Strzok Texted About Stopping Trump.
If they were serious about stopping Trump they could have leaked that before the election, to late to stop Trump after he was elected except by investigating him which was their duty if they believed he had broken the law.

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free thoughtpolice wrote:
comhcinc wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:
I wonder why if the FBI wanted to get Trump they didn't leak that the Trump campaign was under investigation for collusion with the Russians before the election? Instead, they shafted Hillary by announcing they were reopening the investigation on her.
Comey Revealed The Reopened Investigation To Congress Because He Thought Hillary Was Going To Win, and He Wanted To Preserve Her Legitimacy. This is what the report explicitly says: “we found that his decision was the result of several interrelated factors that were connected to his concern that failing to send the letter would harm the FBI and his ability to lead it, and his view that candidate Clinton was going to win the presidency and that she would be perceived to be an illegitimate president if the public first learned of the information after the election.” Comey didn’t speak with anyone at the DOJ about releasing the letter.
I was thinking about the Strzok text.
FBI Agents Lisa Page and Peter Strzok Texted About Stopping Trump.
If they were serious about stopping Trump they could have leaked that before the election, to late to stop Trump after he was elected except by investigating him which was their duty if they believed he had broken the law.
Ah, well I think again, there is no deep state so these people wanting to harm Trump's chances wouldn't do it without evidence and they were really convinced that ol HillHill was going to win.

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commie wrote:
But people who already believe that the "deep state" is out for Trump now have the tiniest of molehills out of which to create their mountains. Frankly if the FBI won't have assumed Hillary was going to win I have a feeling they would have been more careful with this shit.
We agree on that.

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free thoughtpolice wrote:
comhcinc wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:
I wonder why if the FBI wanted to get Trump they didn't leak that the Trump campaign was under investigation for collusion with the Russians before the election? Instead, they shafted Hillary by announcing they were reopening the investigation on her.
Comey Revealed The Reopened Investigation To Congress Because He Thought Hillary Was Going To Win, and He Wanted To Preserve Her Legitimacy. This is what the report explicitly says: “we found that his decision was the result of several interrelated factors that were connected to his concern that failing to send the letter would harm the FBI and his ability to lead it, and his view that candidate Clinton was going to win the presidency and that she would be perceived to be an illegitimate president if the public first learned of the information after the election.” Comey didn’t speak with anyone at the DOJ about releasing the letter.
I was thinking about the Strzok text.
FBI Agents Lisa Page and Peter Strzok Texted About Stopping Trump.
If they were serious about stopping Trump they could have leaked that before the election, to late to stop Trump after he was elected except by investigating him which was their duty if they believed he had broken the law.
Ah, well I think again, there is no deep state so these people wanting to harm Trump's chances wouldn't do it without evidence and they were really convinced that ol HillHill was going to win.

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https://www.chronicle.com/article/What- ... ual/240344

They're still shaking the Coneptual Penis, this time a few wags by Sokal himself.

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Sulman wrote:
Let's say you're on probation and you get caught with a little pot.

Your legal advice is automated, as is the adjudication, but there is still a human jury. Machine learning has become adept at interpreting law, from thousands and thousands of prior cases. There is also a probabation database that predicts your likelihood or reoffending, versus cost to the state, thus building up a fairly accurate picture of what you're likely to do, and the best punishment.

The problem is the system has already inherited the bias in those decisions, without even knowing. Worse still, the extent of this system is so great even your appeal is automated, and weighed similarly. The recommended judgement would be, in other words, perfectly 'fair'. But what if the system decided the most efficient punishment along cost/benefit is a life of hard labour? Or, to use an extreme idea, death?

We assign objectivity to machines that they don't actually have. That's the danger of AI.
I don't think this is the only danger, but it is a much more present one.

Cathy O'Neil wrote the book on how machine learning can go awry in precisely the way you describe, among others.

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Re: There are 2018 genders... and a bitch ain't one

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While stocks last.


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CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: https://www.chronicle.com/article/What- ... ual/240344

They're still shaking the Coneptual Penis, this time a few wags by Sokal himself.
Could be a consensual penis


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVruAfu53z4

I am so sorry about this.

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Even though he has (had?) a son stationed in Korea, PZ is still desperately hoping Trump fails on that front.

Father of the year.

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Lsuoma wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:38 pm
Hahaha! Einstein revealed as racist (his diaries): https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-44472277
Thank Cthulu that it was his first wife who came up with all of his theories, otherwise we'd have to discard them in favor of decolonized science.

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Brive1987 wrote: While stocks last.

That'll show them. Who needs stats about relative HIV rates when you have t-shirts with clever slogans like "blood is blood"? I bet the FDA never even thought about that.

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