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Post by feathers » Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:45 am

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Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:48 pm
Last time I heard anything about hockey in England was when a Harvard intra-murals league team didn't have enough players to form a team for a New Years day game. So one of the players had his girlfriend put on the goalie pads to play in goal. She couldn't stand on her skates so they tied her to the goalposts so she wouldn't fall down.
Can you also find a video of that?

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Post by feathers » Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:49 am

Oh sorry Phil. You were doing so well...

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Post by KenD » Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:52 am

The British press are still circling the wagons and churning out articles to defend fair Cathy against beastly Jordan Peterson. I won't bore people with a list, but this one in the Independent trying to link it to #metoo is a gem: Misogynistic abuse against Cathy Newman is a symbol of the backlash against the MeToo movement

Her describing Peterson as like a "cartoon villain" made me chuckle. I suppose for feminists he really is.
But it is very easy to attack Cathy Newman, the female journalist whose male editor thought it would be a good idea to interview Jordan Peterson.
I've seen a few other people criticise Channel 4's male editor for daring to give Peterson airtime and pitting poor sweet Cathy against him. I wonder if he's going to face any consequences for it, or if it being such successful clickbait will protect him?

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Post by VickyCaramel » Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:39 am

KenD wrote: The British press are still circling the wagons and churning out articles to defend fair Cathy against beastly Jordan Peterson. I won't bore people with a list, but this one in the Independent trying to link it to #metoo is a gem: Misogynistic abuse against Cathy Newman is a symbol of the backlash against the MeToo movement

Her describing Peterson as like a "cartoon villain" made me chuckle. I suppose for feminists he really is.
But it is very easy to attack Cathy Newman, the female journalist whose male editor thought it would be a good idea to interview Jordan Peterson.
I've seen a few other people criticise Channel 4's male editor for daring to give Peterson airtime and pitting poor sweet Cathy against him. I wonder if he's going to face any consequences for it, or if it being such successful clickbait will protect him?
Read the comments on that article. I am three pages in and nobody has posted anything positive about Newman or Revesz.
It is a marriage made in hell, left wing ideologies get to peddle their nonsense, and the newspapers get clickbait, largely from thousands of normal people incredulous and outraged at the feminist idiocy.

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Post by InfraRedBucket » Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:46 am

Peterson would like a second round with Newman.
He suggested an antidote to ill-informed, short-term social media debate was more nuanced, meditative journalism. “Look at the popularity of longform journalism and podcasts,” he said. “It’s nonsense that young people have a limited attention span, or that there isn’t an audience for the in-depth treatment of something.”

And he has an idea for one such project. “If Cathy is interested, maybe we could model a conversation. That would be a good thing.”
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/ ... sogyny-row

Quite some chat up line, there, the filthy cad.
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Post by DW Adams » Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:02 am

If you haven't already, Netflix original 'Godless' is well worth the time to watch. Jack O'Connell (Skins) playing an American cowboy is pretty awesome, as is Thomas Brodie-Sangster (Game of Thrones) as a small town deputy. My only complaint is Jeff Daniels. He can never be the character he is attempting to play. Even with a fully grown beard he still has 'Dumb and Dumber' facial expressions that ruin Frank Griffin, IMO. Also, Michelle Dockery (Downton Abbey) playing a twice widowed ranch owner. Other cast include Scoot McNairy and Sam Waterson, with a bonus Kim Coates (Sons of Anarchy and "Warriorrrrrrrrs, come out and playyyyyyyyyyyy.").

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Post by Shatterface » Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:05 am

DW Adams wrote: If you haven't already, Netflix original 'Godless' is well worth the time to watch. Jack O'Connell (Skins) playing an American cowboy is pretty awesome, as is Thomas Brodie-Sangster (Game of Thrones) as a small town deputy. My only complaint is Jeff Daniels. He can never be the character he is attempting to play. Even with a fully grown beard he still has 'Dumb and Dumber' facial expressions that ruin Frank Griffin, IMO. Also, Michelle Dockery (Downton Abbey) playing a twice widowed ranch owner. Other cast include Scoot McNairy and Sam Waterson, with a bonus Kim Coates (Sons of Anarchy and "Warriorrrrrrrrs, come out and playyyyyyyyyyyy.").
How's it compare with Deadwood?

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Post by Billie from Ockham » Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:00 am

Brive1987 wrote: I have no idea what the back room vibe was. I would imagine it was as confused and full of holes as the WMD understanding I do however have very strong memories that the public perception and media pitch was not about sectarian dangers. Iraq was presented as a modern society, in contrast to Iran, waiting for liberation. The issue was all about the legalities not the risks. Im sure the mid east office may have seen things differently, but it was specialist knowledge that challenged established perceptions.
I don't deny that most TV news programs and national papers didn't mention "sectarian dangers" or how this was going to be one huge gift to Iran. But more than just the back room knew this. If you read things like The Economist, instead of the Jew York Times (tee hee), it was there.

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Post by Scented Nectar » Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:16 am

I fucking hate everyone but don't use paltry things like skin colour as an excuse to justify my hatred. I'm 100% user unfriendly - "fuck you" is my default setting.

Except for Scented Nectar.

Me likey Scented Nectar - very cool lady.

(Don't mind me, I'm hammered again)
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Post by Barbie's Boyfriend » Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:17 am

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:33 am
And I'm not even mentioning Water Polo.

Those poor horses.
Q: Why did Texas A&M University finally drop its water polo team?

A: The horses kept drowning

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Post by VickyCaramel » Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:25 am

Scented Nectar wrote:
I fucking hate everyone but don't use paltry things like skin colour as an excuse to justify my hatred. I'm 100% user unfriendly - "fuck you" is my default setting.

Except for Scented Nectar.

Me likey Scented Nectar - very cool lady.

(Don't mind me, I'm hammered again)
Bhurzum, if it wasn't for hammered guys like you, I wouldn't have had any kind of sex life back in the day. I personally would like to thank you and your kind for that. :D

Hey old Pit friends and foes, how's it going, eh? Just dropped by to say hi and stuff. Maybe crash here again for a day or so. Any currently banned words or topics I should know about? :lol:
Welcome back honey-gusset. You could try suggesting that Trump isn't quite as bad as CNN portrays him to be.

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Post by Billie from Ockham » Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:42 am

Barbie's Boyfriend wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:33 am
And I'm not even mentioning Water Polo.

Those poor horses.
Q: Why did Texas A&M University finally drop its water polo team?

A: The horses kept drowning
Thirty years ago, it was the Polish Olympic water polo team. Progress is great, ain't it?

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Post by Kirbmarc » Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:43 am

Shitlord chimps are already corrupted by the Patriarchy
"The research represents the first time wild animals of different sexes have been observed playing differently with objects, a practice well known among human children and previously observed in captive vervet and rhesus monkeys, Wrangham said.

For instance, young female monkeys in captivity have been known to favor dolls as playthings, while their male counterparts prefer "boy" toys like trucks.

"The fact that captive monkey males and females prefer typically masculine and feminine human toys, respectively, suggests that there is something biologically different about the sexes that makes them gravitate to different types of toys," co-author Sonya Kahlenberg, a biologist at Bates College in Maine, said by email.
Patriarchy Hurts Animals Too :bjarte:

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Post by SM1957 » Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:25 am

VickyCaramel wrote:
KenD wrote: The British press are still circling the wagons and churning out articles to defend fair Cathy against beastly Jordan Peterson. I won't bore people with a list, but this one in the Independent trying to link it to #metoo is a gem: Misogynistic abuse against Cathy Newman is a symbol of the backlash against the MeToo movement

Her describing Peterson as like a "cartoon villain" made me chuckle. I suppose for feminists he really is.
But it is very easy to attack Cathy Newman, the female journalist whose male editor thought it would be a good idea to interview Jordan Peterson.
I've seen a few other people criticise Channel 4's male editor for daring to give Peterson airtime and pitting poor sweet Cathy against him. I wonder if he's going to face any consequences for it, or if it being such successful clickbait will protect him?
Read the comments on that article. I am three pages in and nobody has posted anything positive about Newman or Revesz.
It is a marriage made in hell, left wing ideologies get to peddle their nonsense, and the newspapers get clickbait, largely from thousands of normal people incredulous and outraged at the feminist idiocy.
I think I can summarise the interview quite well.

Peterson - Men are different from women.

Newman - So you're saying I should play the victim card, and claim your supporters are trying to kill me?

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Post by Scented Nectar » Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:28 am

dogen wrote:
Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:42 am
A couple of pages ago, I made a comment toward the more right-leaning members of the pit (esp. John D and Vicky), asking why they weren't overly concerned with Trump's financial links to Russia. It seems the House testimony from Glenn Simpson (Fusion GPS) lays out these links in some detail. Here's a brief summary (warning: Daily Kos, feel free to ignore the comments):

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/1 ... is-a-crook

Let me put my question again: as it seems increasingly likely that Trump is financed by Russian mobsters and/or the Russian state (the two are largely interchangeable), are you not a little concerned that this could render him susceptible to their influence? ESP. Vicky, how is it you get all moist and fishy over his business acumen, when he's simply a mark for the mob?
If you guys want the inside scoop on all the RussiaGate / BillBrowderGate / ThatRussianLawyer / FusionGPS stuff, Lee Stranahan (former journalist for HuffingtonPost and Breitbart, and current Sputnik radio host) is digging into all the stuff that both the left and right are refusing to cover. Here's some of his videos.

"FAULT LINES W/ NIXON AND STRANAHAN — 1/19/18 — Fusion GPS Testimony Reveals Gangster Connection"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nft5Aqmx_Ww

"Lee Stranahan — SLOPPY STEVE SPIKE-A-THON #1: Understanding Russiagate" (Steve Bannon spiked some of Lee's stories when he worked for him)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTvSKjBjX8w

"FAULT LINES W/ NIXON AND STRANAHAN — 1/18/18 — “That Russian Lawyer” BREAKING NEWS"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYDag8Kt8tQ

Lee's videos are often kind of long, so you might want to change the settings to 1.25 or 1.5 speed. His youtube channel is at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvc-zk ... =0&sort=dd which youtube hugely suppresses and shadowbans. There are a mix of videos there, both the radio show and his own personal videos on the various topics.

And here's a bonus fun read - "that Russian lawyer", Natalia Veselnitskaya's testimony to the Senate, from a couple months ago. The media on both sides are not covering it, yet there's a lot of revealing stuff in it: http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/TODAY/z_Cre ... 0(eng).pdf

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Post by John D » Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:38 am

MacGruberKnows wrote:
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Keating wrote: I dunno. Libya was a pretty serious screw up by Obama’s administration, and that was all Clinton.
Interesting to think about. I voted Gary Jonson because I saw Hillary and Trump as being equally bad... but if Sanders had run I would have voted against him.... so.... I would have voted Trump. Of course, I am pretty weird and my personal opinions do not really map onto any demographic group.

The thing that makes me the saddest about the 2016 election was that we didn't have a better candidate. I thought Clinton was vastly superior to Trump on the basis of Trump's pathological lying and idiosyncratic behavior, but I don't really have an answer for people who think Clinton is a turd. I think she is cynical, has shown bad judgement in a bunch of foreign policy matters (i.e. Libya and Iraq) and generally considers herself above the rules (hence the improper use of email, which isn't as damning as Republicans would like it to be, but still shows some level of casual disregard for the rules). I voted for her, but I've never liked her. Hopefully she doesn't run again in 2020, but I doubt she will be able to help herself. Maybe I'll be wrong.
Looking back, a real tragedy for the US. Bernie vs Trump would have been a sea change in US politics. The sharpest divide ever. A socialist vs a hard-core capitalist. Probably would have been a cold shower for most Americans and the majority of them would have huddled together in the center for warmth. Opportunity lost.

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Post by John D » Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:51 am

WTF happened to my last post????? Weird. I thought I quoted MacGruber but my reply didn't post. Probably something I did wrong. My comment was something like this:

I hated both Trump and Hillary so I voted Johnson. But... if It would have been Bernie vs. Trump I actually would have voted Trump. I fucking hate Bernie. Of course, I am pretty odd.... so my behavior is not indicative of any particular groups of voters. I do think Trump would have done a pretty good job portraying Bernie as a commie... well... because he is a commie.... haha.

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Post by Barbie's Boyfriend » Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:54 am

Billie from Ockham wrote:
Barbie's Boyfriend wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:33 am
And I'm not even mentioning Water Polo.

Those poor horses.
Q: Why did Texas A&M University finally drop its water polo team?

A: The horses kept drowning
Thirty years ago, it was the Polish Olympic water polo team. Progress is great, ain't it?
Aggie jokes are quite popular in Texas. And any Aggie joke at its core is just a Pollack joke with the word "Aggie" substituted for the word "Pollack"

Except for the sheep jokes. Never heard a Pollack joke that involved sheep.

Q: Why did the Aggie cross the road?

A: Cause the sheep crossed the road, and the Aggie's cock was stuck inside the sheep

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Post by ThreeFlangedJavis » Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:55 am

Billie from Ockham wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:00 am
Brive1987 wrote: I have no idea what the back room vibe was. I would imagine it was as confused and full of holes as the WMD understanding I do however have very strong memories that the public perception and media pitch was not about sectarian dangers. Iraq was presented as a modern society, in contrast to Iran, waiting for liberation. The issue was all about the legalities not the risks. Im sure the mid east office may have seen things differently, but it was specialist knowledge that challenged established perceptions.
I don't deny that most TV news programs and national papers didn't mention "sectarian dangers" or how this was going to be one huge gift to Iran. But more than just the back room knew this. If you read things like The Economist, instead of the Jew York Times (tee hee), it was there.
There was a documentary/news story (can't recall which) in which an expert on the Middle East recounted a meeting with Blair in the lead up to the invasion wherein he tried very hard to explain the nuances of the Iraqi situation , but all Blair wanted to know was if Saddam was a 'bad man'. Also recall someone saying that Gee Dub had to have the existence of the Sunni/Shia divide explained to him. I think that Blair and Bush's devout Christianity motivated their actions. It is said that Rumsfeld had his staff put biblical scenes and quotes on the cover of important proposals sent to Bush as it seemed to influence the reception. Blair and Bush were on a righteous mission and nothing was going to stop them. The likes of Rumsfeld and Cheney manipulated that fervour to achieve their own ends.

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Post by Scented Nectar » Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:00 am

VickyCaramel wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:25 am
Welcome back honey-gusset. You could try suggesting that Trump isn't quite as bad as CNN portrays him to be.
Lol, if there's anyone here who is still believing CNN or thinking that Trump is bad, then I can only suggest a safe space with a puppy petting station and sympathetic self-shingled therapists on hand. :lol:

So weird that the Pit seemed during my last few visits more like I'm at one of the old sjw hangouts than the free speech & freedom loving & not-falling-for-bullshit type of place it once was. Oh well, we'll always have had the good old days! We were all part of the early rebellions against the recent years of crazier and crazier left wing politics. Our side grew stronger and more quickly than the commies expected, and it all kept branching into other things from GamerGate to Brexit, with mocking and disputing the commies spreading throughout the world, and ended up with enough people on the Trump train to get him voted in. That was despite the other side having the media in their pockets, a massively rigged election to overcome, and major funding from globalist communists.

Lol, I guess I should have put a trigger warning on the above paragraph, since it might upset any anti-Trumpers here to realize they were an early part of the movement that culminated in his Presidency. And it's a good thing too. If Hildebeast had gotten in, most of the world if not all, would be living in a real life Orwellian 1984 right now.

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Post by MacGruberKnows » Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:11 am

feathers wrote:
MacGruberKnows wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:48 pm
Last time I heard anything about hockey in England was when a Harvard intra-murals league team didn't have enough players to form a team for a New Years day game. So one of the players had his girlfriend put on the goalie pads to play in goal. She couldn't stand on her skates so they tied her to the goalposts so she wouldn't fall down.
Can you also find a video of that?
That happened decades ago. The radio station I used to listen to would end their news with a light humorous piece and they mentioned that Oxford was suspending the hockey team while it investigated the incident of the girlfriend being tied to the goalposts so the guys could play their game.

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Post by Shatterface » Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:12 am

If you can find a pitter who supports safe spaces or censorship please let quote them.

Just because most of us aren't sucking Trump's shrivelled Cheeto doesn't mean we have lost our critical faculties.

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Post by Billie from Ockham » Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:21 am

If the "good old days" included a mind-set that couldn't see the problems with Trump, then I'm glad that I wasn't here then. He's not as bad as CNN or The New Yorker suggests, but he's seriously flawed, as were both H. Clinton and Sanders.

What is it about politics that makes people incapable of having a nuanced or multi-faceted view?

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Post by Service Dog » Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:25 am

Pitters have previously recommended Benjamin A Boyce.

So far, I've watched 2 of his YouTube videos, & I find his analysis to be sharp-enough to justify being so pedantic...




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Post by Scented Nectar » Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:34 am

Shatterface wrote: If you can find a pitter who supports safe spaces or censorship please let quote them.

Just because most of us aren't sucking Trump's shrivelled Cheeto doesn't mean we have lost our critical faculties.
The safe space thing was obviously not the same thing as claiming that any Pitters actually support safe spaces. It was an exaggeration insult when I offered you a safe space as one of the anti-Trumpers in my other post.

As for censorship, well, there IS sometimes censorship. Remember when Lsuoma did a PZ-worthy re-wording of other peoples' posts last year? PZ used to only devowel them which meant you could still figure them out, but when all my "Trump"s got changed by Lsuoma to some phrase like "Bunny and Nectar shut the fuck up", it was an even worse thing. Couldn't even be figured out what I really wrote.

And how many times has it happened here? I know it happened at least a few other times back when I used to follow the Pit almost every day. Anyways, whatever. I don't make the rules here. I'm just saying how it feels to me. Obviously, your mileage varies.

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Post by Shatterface » Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:37 am

Trump's not Hitler but you don't get credit for not being Hitler.

You aren't supposed to be Hitler, you low expectation motherfuckers

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Post by free thoughtpolice » Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:42 am

Scented Nectar wrote:
And here's a bonus fun read - "that Russian lawyer", Natalia Veselnitskaya's testimony to the Senate, from a couple months ago. The media on both sides are not covering it, yet there's a lot of revealing stuff in it: http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/TODAY/z_Cre ... 0(eng).pdf
Interesting read. So it turns out that Moose and Squirrel were lying about Magnitsky being jailed for blowing the whistle on Fearless Leader Putin and then being murdered in jail. I believe everything she says.

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Post by Old_ones » Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:43 am

John D wrote: WTF happened to my last post????? Weird. I thought I quoted MacGruber but my reply didn't post. Probably something I did wrong. My comment was something like this:

I hated both Trump and Hillary so I voted Johnson. But... if It would have been Bernie vs. Trump I actually would have voted Trump. I fucking hate Bernie. Of course, I am pretty odd.... so my behavior is not indicative of any particular groups of voters. I do think Trump would have done a pretty good job portraying Bernie as a commie... well... because he is a commie.... haha.
You wrote your post in my quote box. I didn't vote for Johnson.

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Post by Old_ones » Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:45 am

John D wrote:
MacGruberKnows wrote:
Old_ones wrote:
Keating wrote: I dunno. Libya was a pretty serious screw up by Obama’s administration, and that was all Clinton.
The thing that makes me the saddest about the 2016 election was that we didn't have a better candidate. I thought Clinton was vastly superior to Trump on the basis of Trump's pathological lying and idiosyncratic behavior, but I don't really have an answer for people who think Clinton is a turd. I think she is cynical, has shown bad judgement in a bunch of foreign policy matters (i.e. Libya and Iraq) and generally considers herself above the rules (hence the improper use of email, which isn't as damning as Republicans would like it to be, but still shows some level of casual disregard for the rules). I voted for her, but I've never liked her. Hopefully she doesn't run again in 2020, but I doubt she will be able to help herself. Maybe I'll be wrong.
Looking back, a real tragedy for the US. Bernie vs Trump would have been a sea change in US politics. The sharpest divide ever. A socialist vs a hard-core capitalist. Probably would have been a cold shower for most Americans and the majority of them would have huddled together in the center for warmth. Opportunity lost.
Interesting to think about. I voted Gary Jonson because I saw Hillary and Trump as being equally bad... but if Sanders had run I would have voted against him.... so.... I would have voted Trump. Of course, I am pretty weird and my personal opinions do not really map onto any demographic group.
Fixed

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Post by Scented Nectar » Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:58 am

Billie from Ockham wrote:
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If the "good old days" included a mind-set that couldn't see the problems with Trump, then I'm glad that I wasn't here then. He's not as bad as CNN or The New Yorker suggests, but he's seriously flawed, as were both H. Clinton and Sanders.

What is it about politics that makes people incapable of having a nuanced or multi-faceted view?
By good old days, I mean back when we were fighting for the same things that Trump (and lots of the rest of the world) if fighting for right now. Freedom from the over-controlling left. And remember, before you try to accuse anyone on the right of being nazis, nazis were on the left too. Hitler made them add "socialism" to their party name. "workers party" is in there too. Either phrase says "far left" and both together SCREAM IT.

What problems are you referring to? No one's problem-free, but I just see him winning and winning beyond all my expectations and against huge obstructions. I wouldn't want to quite go so far as to put him on a pedestal, but if I had, he wouldn't have fallen off it yet.

Actually, don't answer that. Lol. If his name gets mentioned by me in a positive light and in too many posts, like it might if we discuss that back and forth, a certain someone will throw a tantrum and change my words again. Maybe ban me to a special bad peoples' subforum again or something. Forget I asked! Yeah, I know I could just delete these last two paragraphs instead of saying to forget it, but it illustrates my earlier point about how the Pit feels different to me than it used to. See how I hesitate to even discuss things here? Feels a bit sjw/A+ like.


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Post by Kirbmarc » Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:11 am

Shatterface wrote: Trump's not Hitler but you don't get credit for not being Hitler.

You aren't supposed to be Hitler, you low expectation motherfuckers
Maybe he should change his slogan for the next election, from "Make America Great Again" to "I'm not Hitler, people, relax". :bjarte:

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Post by Scented Nectar » Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:21 am

free thoughtpolice wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:42 am
Scented Nectar wrote:
And here's a bonus fun read - "that Russian lawyer", Natalia Veselnitskaya's testimony to the Senate, from a couple months ago. The media on both sides are not covering it, yet there's a lot of revealing stuff in it: http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/TODAY/z_Cre ... 0(eng).pdf
Interesting read. So it turns out that Moose and Squirrel were lying about Magnitsky being jailed for blowing the whistle on Fearless Leader Putin and then being murdered in jail. I believe everything she says.
I think she's been made the meat in the sandwich, and that she's been made to look bad to both the left and right, by a smear campaign by Bill Browder. Here's some interviews of her from last year if you're interested.

" 'Campaign is revenge for US lobbyist's defeat in court' – Laywer on Trump Jr. scandal (EXCLUSIVE)" from Jul 18, 2017.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SScpPqbDVsQ

"This is a human story that has nothing to do with politics – Russian lawyer who met Trump Jr. to RT" from Aug 9, 2017 (has lots of politics in it despite the title).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQjTMyD_jOo

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Post by Billie from Ockham » Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:24 am

Scented Nectar wrote: By good old days, I mean back when we were fighting for the same things that Trump (and lots of the rest of the world) if fighting for right now. Freedom from the over-controlling left. And remember, before you try to accuse anyone on the right of being nazis, nazis were on the left too. Hitler made them add "socialism" to their party name. "workers party" is in there too. Either phrase says "far left" and both together SCREAM IT.
I will grant that Trump's direct effect on me (other than the gov't shutdown, which could cost me a lot) have been positive, in that some of the crazier policies of the Obama Admin with regard to gender-shit-on-campus are no longer in force. But that's about it. Capitalizing on anger about something to get elected is not the same as fighting something. Not even close. Even more, I, for one, got into all this to argue against the role of religion in politics and law. (When I started, I couldn't give two shits about SJWs, as they weren't [and still aren't] very effective.) So, with regard to what I originally cared about, Trump has been a step backwards, as he is embracing the erosion of the First Amendment, not standing up for it at all.

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Post by Scented Nectar » Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:26 am

Scented Nectar wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:58 am
Billie from Ockham wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:21 am
If the "good old days" included a mind-set that couldn't see the problems with Trump, then I'm glad that I wasn't here then. He's not as bad as CNN or The New Yorker suggests, but he's seriously flawed, as were both H. Clinton and Sanders.

What is it about politics that makes people incapable of having a nuanced or multi-faceted view?
By good old days, I mean back when we were fighting for the same things that Trump (and lots of the rest of the world) if fighting for right now. Freedom from the over-controlling left. And remember, before you try to accuse anyone on the right of being nazis, nazis were on the left too. Hitler made them add "socialism" to their party name. "workers party" is in there too. Either phrase says "far left" and both together SCREAM IT.

What problems are you referring to? No one's problem-free, but I just see him winning and winning beyond all my expectations and against huge obstructions. I wouldn't want to quite go so far as to put him on a pedestal, but if I had, he wouldn't have fallen off it yet.

Actually, don't answer that. Lol. If his name gets mentioned by me in a positive light and in too many posts, like it might if we discuss that back and forth, a certain someone will throw a tantrum and change my words again. Maybe ban me to a special bad peoples' subforum again or something. Forget I asked! Yeah, I know I could just delete these last two paragraphs instead of saying to forget it, but it illustrates my earlier point about how the Pit feels different to me than it used to. See how I hesitate to even discuss things here? Feels a bit sjw/A+ like.
Lol, just noticed what I wrote there. I shouldn't have pre-emptively anticipated that a Godwin would be incoming from anyone in particular. You didn't do that Billie so I take it back. I notice though that Shatterface did. :)

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Post by Billie from Ockham » Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:32 am

I love a good Hitler reference as much as the next guy, SN, but, in this case, I was only objecting to your black-and-white thinking. There are ways in which Trump is better than either H. Clinton or Sanders would have been. There are ways in which he is worse. Rounding it all off to a single up or down vote is one of the things that I see The Pit are trying to avoid. Thus, what I objected to more than anything else would the idea that some kind of return to black-or-white thinking of a certain sort should be link to some form of "good old days."

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Post by Billie from Ockham » Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:34 am

(I don't proof-read on Sundays. It's a religious thing. It ought to be a law, IMO.)

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Post by Lsuoma » Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:40 am

Scented Nectar wrote:
Actually, don't answer that. Lol. If his name gets mentioned by me in a positive light and in too many posts, like it might if we discuss that back and forth, a certain someone will throw a tantrum and change my words again. Maybe ban me to a special bad peoples' subforum again or something. Forget I asked! Yeah, I know I could just delete these last two paragraphs instead of saying to forget it, but it illustrates my earlier point about how the Pit feels different to me than it used to. See how I hesitate to even discuss things here? Feels a bit sjw/A+ like.
Why not throw a full-on tammy strop, instead of whiny snide remarks? Fuck you.

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Post by VickyCaramel » Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:48 am

Billie from Ockham wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:21 am
If the "good old days" included a mind-set that couldn't see the problems with Trump, then I'm glad that I wasn't here then. He's not as bad as CNN or The New Yorker suggests, but he's seriously flawed, as were both H. Clinton and Sanders.

What is it about politics that makes people incapable of having a nuanced or multi-faceted view?
This is exactly it. And frankly it's as dull as dishwater, if it wasn't I could spend plenty of time pointing out the flaws of not only the likes of Corbyn and Merkel, but also Heseltine, Ken Clarke, May, Bolton and the Boris...

If anybody actually has some valid criticism of Trump, I generally let it pass without comment. I am not hearing much valid criticism.

And it is interesting to note the contrast AND the hypocrisy, because the Russia thing keeps being brought up despite a year of the media banging on about it with zero solid evidence and substantial evidence to suggest it is politically contrived fake news. But dare to point out that #Pizzagate is trending, that the accused can't keep their stories straight, that there is circumstantial evidence which is creepy as hell, and you are called a conspiracy theorist.

So you are saying you believe Pizzagate? So you are saying Trump is the greatest president ever and without flaw? There are far too many Cathy Newmans on this forum.

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Post by free thoughtpolice » Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:49 am

Scented Nectar wrote:
I think she's been made the meat in the sandwich, and that she's been made to look bad to both the left and right, by a smear campaign by Bill Browder. Here's some interviews of her from last year if you're interested.
She claims not to be working for the Russian government, that Magnitsky was a criminal, that died in jail which was giant coincidence. Moose and Squirrel beg to differ.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Magnitsky
Magnitsky was arrested and imprisoned at the Butyrka prison in Moscow in November 2008 after being accused of colluding with Hermitage.[4] Held for 11 months without trial,[4] he was, as reported by The Telegraph, "denied visits from his family" and "forced into increasingly squalid cells."[16] He developed gall stones, pancreatitis and calculous cholecystitis, for which he was given inadequate medical treatment during his incarceration.[4] Surgery was ordered in June, but never performed; detention center chief Ivan P. Prokopenko later said that he "...did not consider Magnitsky sick... Prisoners often try to pass themselves off as sick, in order to get better conditions."[17]

On 16 November, eight days before he would have had to have been released if he were not brought to trial, Magnitsky died. Prison officials at first attributed his death to a "rupture to the abdominal membrane" and later to a heart attack.[4] Reporters learned that Magnitsky had complained of worsening stomach pain for five days prior to his death and that by the 15th, he was vomiting every three hours, and had a visibly swollen stomach.[17] On the day of his death, the prison physician, believing Magnitsky had a chronic disease, sent him by ambulance to and later transferred him to Matrosskaya Tishina prison's medical unit, which was equipped to help him.[18] But the surgeon there—who described Magnitsky as "agitated, trying to hide behind a bag and saying people were trying to kill him"—prescribed only a painkiller, and left him to receive a psychiatric evaluation.[17] Magnitsky was found dead in his cell a little over two hours later.

According to Ludmila Alekseeva, leader of the Moscow Helsinki Group, Magnitsky had died from being beaten and tortured by several officers of the Russian Ministry of Interior.[19] The official death certificate stated "closed cerebral cranial injury" as the cause of death (in addition to the other conditions mentioned above), and the post-mortem examination showed numerous bruises and wounds on Magnitsky's legs and hands. Another post-mortem from 2011 summarized the death as being caused by "traumatic application of the blunt hard object (objects)" as confirmed by "abrasions, ecchymomas, blood effusions into the soft tissues".[20]

Journalist Owen Matthews described Magnitsky's suffering in Moscow's Butyrka prison:

According to [Magnitsky's] heartbreaking prison diary, investigators repeatedly tried to persuade him to give testimony against Hermitage and drop the accusations against the police and tax authorities. When Magnitsky refused, he was moved to more and more horrible sections of the prison, and ultimately denied the medical treatment which could have saved his life.[21]
Why was Magnitsky jailed?
Exposing the scandal[edit]
In his investigation, auditor Magnitsky came to believe that the police had given the materials taken during the police raids to organized criminals, who used them to take over three of Hermitage's Russian companies and who fraudulently reclaimed $230m (£140m) of the taxes previously paid by Hermitage.[4][16] He also claimed police had accused Hermitage of tax evasion solely to justify the police raids, so they could take the materials needed to hijack the Hermitage companies and effect the tax refund fraud. Magnitsky's testimony implicated police, the judiciary, tax officials, bankers, and the Russian mafia.[4] In spite of the initial dismissal of his claims, Magnitsky's core allegation that Hermitage had not committed fraud—but had been victimized by it- was eventually validated. A sawmill foreman pleaded guilty in the matter to "fraud by prior collusion", though the foreman would maintain that police were not part of the plan.[16] Before then, however, Magnitsky became the subject of investigation by one of the policemen against whom he had testified as involved in the fraud. According to Browder, Magnitsky was "the 'go-to guy' in Moscow on courts, taxes, fines, anything to do with civil law."[7]

According to Magnitsky's investigation, the documents that had been taken by the Russian police in June 2007 were used to forge a change in ownership of Hermitage.[7] The thieves used the forged contracts to claim Hermitage owed $1 billion to shell companies. Unbeknownst to Hermitage, those claims were later authenticated by judges. In every instance, lawyers hired by the thieves to represent Hermitage (unbeknownst to Hermitage) pleaded guilty on the company's behalf and agreed to the claims, thereby obtaining judgments for debts that did not exist; all while Hermitage officials were unaware of these court proceedings.[7]

The new owner, based in Tatarstan, turned out to be Viktor Markelov, a convicted murderer released two years into his sentence.[7] The company's fake debt was used to make the companies look unprofitable in order to justify a refund of $230 million in tax that the companies had paid when they had been under Hermitage's control. The refund was issued Christmas Eve of 2007. It was the largest tax rebate in Russian history.[7]

Hermitage contacted the Russian government with the findings of its investigation. The money, which was not Hermitage's, belonged to the Russian people. Rather than opening a case against the police and the thieves, the Russian authorities opened a criminal case against Magnitsky.[7]
RT has a different story for sure. It is after all Putin's mouth piece.

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Post by Barbie's Boyfriend » Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:51 am

Lsuoma wrote:
Scented Nectar wrote:
Actually, don't answer that. Lol. If his name gets mentioned by me in a positive light and in too many posts, like it might if we discuss that back and forth, a certain someone will throw a tantrum and change my words again. Maybe ban me to a special bad peoples' subforum again or something. Forget I asked! Yeah, I know I could just delete these last two paragraphs instead of saying to forget it, but it illustrates my earlier point about how the Pit feels different to me than it used to. See how I hesitate to even discuss things here? Feels a bit sjw/A+ like.
Why not throw a full-on tammy strop, instead of whiny snide remarks? Fuck you.
"Tammy Strop" ???

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Post by Jack Wooster » Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:55 am

dogen wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:48 am
katamari Damassi wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:10 am
The weather has been shirty in Florida and I was feeling nostalgic, so I bought an Xbox and Skyrim. My husband(who's only ever played phone games)has gotten into it. It's hilarious watching him learn to use the controller. Witcher 3 is next on the list.
My 13yo daughter has recently switched up from Minecraft to Skyrim (on PC). Most of the controls she gets naturally, but she never learned how to strafe (A, D) and so goes around corners having to furiously slew the mouse. Not good when sneaking up with bow drawn!

She also wants to run full tilt at everything; I end up yelling "It's a bow, not a bloody pickaxe! Leave some distance!"

It's been a long time since I last played Skyrim myself; I made myself a new character so I could follow her through the level progression. It's still buggy (altho that might be the absurd number of mods I've installed), but also still engaging, beautiful and a lot of fun.
I'm still playing Skyrim with a fair few mods the Vilja one has thousands of lines of dialogue and I still haven't got to the end of it.
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Post by Scented Nectar » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:04 pm

Billie from Ockham wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:24 am
Scented Nectar wrote: By good old days, I mean back when we were fighting for the same things that Trump (and lots of the rest of the world) if fighting for right now. Freedom from the over-controlling left. And remember, before you try to accuse anyone on the right of being nazis, nazis were on the left too. Hitler made them add "socialism" to their party name. "workers party" is in there too. Either phrase says "far left" and both together SCREAM IT.
I will grant that Trump's direct effect on me (other than the gov't shutdown, which could cost me a lot) have been positive, in that some of the crazier policies of the Obama Admin with regard to gender-shit-on-campus are no longer in force. But that's about it. Capitalizing on anger about something to get elected is not the same as fighting something. Not even close. Even more, I, for one, got into all this to argue against the role of religion in politics and law. (When I started, I couldn't give two shits about SJWs, as they weren't [and still aren't] very effective.) So, with regard to what I originally cared about, Trump has been a step backwards, as he is embracing the erosion of the First Amendment, not standing up for it at all.
Ok, I can't resist discussing Trump anyways, even though once Lsuoma shows up and sees my posts here, I risk having them changed and fucked with or being banned or whatever. :P

The democrats have forced the shutdown. They won't sign off on the funding issues unless Trump agrees to add in their version of DACA which is already being negotiated/discussed separate from this funding thing. It's very unethical and not Trump's fault for resisting the extortion.

I don't think he capitalized on peoples' anger. At least not just to get voted in. He's actually fixing the problems, so it wasn't an empty sales pitch. He's stopped the increase of the things making people angry and is gradually reversing a lot of it. Considering the gov't obstruction he gets from all sides and the media smear stuff, he's doing extremely well. Financially, the US is coming back up. It was on it's way to 3rd worldish shithole status. It would have been another North Korea if Killary had gotten in.

With religion, Trump's separating it from the state by freeing it from extra laws saying what they were and weren't allowed to talk about, so that goes towards more 1st amendment freedom of speech and religion. Religious places were not allowed to discuss politics with their congregations or else they would lose their tax exemptions. Mind you, I also don't think that religions or charities should be tax exempt at all, but if they are, then don't also force them to give up their free expression or any other rights. That makes it a bribe to not discuss political issues with their congregations where they might have influence, and which must have scared Lyndon Johnson when he made that law.

With the whole abortion issue, I don't think that is even a religious issue necessarily, since lots of people might be horrified at the idea of paying for someone's late term live-birth-abortion, or even an early one. It's a touchy topic unless it's medically necessary, since it does involve the voluntary killing of a human being, regardless of whether it's legal or not, and regardless of whether one thinks of it as good or bad. Same with forcing a doctor to perform abortions or euthanasia if it goes against their personal beliefs, religious or otherwise. And contraception is also a recreational activity expense, so if an employer of any religious belief or non-belief doesn't want to pay for it, it's no different than not wanting to pay for an employee's new computer or bike helmet or new furniture. The employee can do it themselves out of their paycheques.

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Post by Shatterface » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:06 pm

Billie from Ockham wrote: (I don't proof-read on Sundays. It's a religious thing. It ought to be a law, IMO.)
Your religion is too liberal. Mine allows proof-reading only for purposes of procreation.

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Post by Shatterface » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:13 pm

If I recall correctly, Tammy Strop was the SS commander found guilty of war crimes for his role in the liquidation of the Warsaw Ghetto.

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Post by VickyCaramel » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:13 pm

Scented Nectar wrote: [...] but it illustrates my earlier point about how the Pit feels different to me than it used to. See how I hesitate to even discuss things here? Feels a bit sjw/A+ like.
Rubbing people up the wrong way feeds me and makes me stronger. But I certainly hesitate to raise ideas which I want to entertain but not accept. It's not that I mind a pissing contest, it is that the left wingers here instantly jump to the conclusion that you have not only accepted those ideas, but bought into them, bought the t-shirt and advocate for them. And then several months later, someone will accuse you of being a Trump sucking, climate change denying, bigfoot believing conspiracy theories.

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Post by free thoughtpolice » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:14 pm

Vicky Caramel wrote:
So you are saying you believe Pizzagate? So you are saying Trump is the greatest president ever and without flaw? There are far too many Cathy Newmans on this forum.
Given all the rich and powerful men you know, you must have heard some stuff about their involvement in the Pizzagate thing. Maybe talking about hot dogs, or chicken pizza?
Coincidentally, Canada's top bigfoot researcher, that until a few days ago lived quite near me died a few days ago.
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The MSM says it was cancer that killed him but ...

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Post by Scented Nectar » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:18 pm

Billie from Ockham wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:32 am
I love a good Hitler reference as much as the next guy, SN, but, in this case, I was only objecting to your black-and-white thinking. There are ways in which Trump is better than either H. Clinton or Sanders would have been. There are ways in which he is worse. Rounding it all off to a single up or down vote is one of the things that I see The Pit are trying to avoid. Thus, what I objected to more than anything else would the idea that some kind of return to black-or-white thinking of a certain sort should be link to some form of "good old days."
I see it as part of the same movement and flow of things, just further branched and evolved. I might be wrong though in other peoples' opinions. I think the intention of the left was to present a bunch of problems in typical commie style and then offer the sales pitch for a solution: global communism. But, people saw the problems, both real (open borders problems) and false (world riddled with isms and phobias), and did NOT accept the offered solution which was supposed to be a heavily state-controlled communist solution.

The Euroviet Union might get a bit worse though before they get better though. The EU sounds like it's getting ready to bring in a UN/EU-army solution to all the culture-clash problems they brought in with the open borders thing. A police state and a new enforced planned society/culture (or else). Modern day techno-communism. At least if it's not a global gov't, then maybe other countries can rescue them, like they did to the people living under Hitler.

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Post by Scented Nectar » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:20 pm

Lsuoma wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:40 am
Scented Nectar wrote:
Actually, don't answer that. Lol. If his name gets mentioned by me in a positive light and in too many posts, like it might if we discuss that back and forth, a certain someone will throw a tantrum and change my words again. Maybe ban me to a special bad peoples' subforum again or something. Forget I asked! Yeah, I know I could just delete these last two paragraphs instead of saying to forget it, but it illustrates my earlier point about how the Pit feels different to me than it used to. See how I hesitate to even discuss things here? Feels a bit sjw/A+ like.
Why not throw a full-on tammy strop, instead of whiny snide remarks? Fuck you.
Oh hello! I might as well ask you outright. What are the censorship rules here today?

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Post by VickyCaramel » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:27 pm

Scented Nectar wrote: With religion, Trump's separating it from the state by freeing it from extra laws saying what they were and weren't allowed to talk about, so that goes towards more 1st amendment freedom of speech and religion. Religious places were not allowed to discuss politics with their congregations or else they would lose their tax exemptions. Mind you, I also don't think that religions or charities should be tax exempt at all, but if they are, then don't also force them to give up their free expression or any other rights. That makes it a bribe to not discuss political issues with their congregations where they might have influence, and which must have scared Lyndon Johnson when he made that law.

With the whole abortion issue, I don't think that is even a religious issue necessarily, since lots of people might be horrified at the idea of paying for someone's late term live-birth-abortion, or even an early one. It's a touchy topic unless it's medically necessary, since it does involve the voluntary killing of a human being, regardless of whether it's legal or not, and regardless of whether one thinks of it as good or bad. Same with forcing a doctor to perform abortions or euthanasia if it goes against their personal beliefs, religious or otherwise. And contraception is also a recreational activity expense, so if an employer of any religious belief or non-belief doesn't want to pay for it, it's no different than not wanting to pay for an employee's new computer or bike helmet or new furniture. The employee can do it themselves out of their paycheques.
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I disagree with you on a lot here, especially the contraception thing. However, I recognize that these arguments exist, and there are people on the right who can make very convincing arguments (not neccarceraly correct arguments, but convincing). I also recognize that the arguments against them might me arguing for the right outcome, but are terrible fucking arguments.

But mostly, I recognize that Trump (although more of a Democrat) joined the Republicans and has to play lip service to their wishes. Employers being forced to pay for contraception is a Democrat policy, you have the option to vote for them if you really want it. Frankly I thought employers were paying for health insurance not the drugs, i think you are on a slippery slope if you employer gets a say on what medical treatments you are entitled to under that insurance.

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Post by Shatterface » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:30 pm

Old_ones wrote:
John D wrote: You wrote your post in my quote box.
Filthy!

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Post by Shatterface » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:32 pm

Fucked up a joke about quote boxes by fucking uo the quote box.

Oh, the humanity.

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Re: There are 2018 genders... and a bitch ain't one of them

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Post by VickyCaramel » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:32 pm

free thoughtpolice wrote: Vicky Caramel wrote:
So you are saying you believe Pizzagate? So you are saying Trump is the greatest president ever and without flaw? There are far too many Cathy Newmans on this forum.
Given all the rich and powerful men you know, you must have heard some stuff about their involvement in the Pizzagate thing. Maybe talking about hot dogs, or chicken pizza?
Coincidentally, Canada's top bigfoot researcher, that until a few days ago lived quite near me died a few days ago.
https://www.ladysmithchronicle.com/news ... sses-away/
The MSM says it was cancer that killed him but ...
You are a cunt, but my kind of cunt. You aren't very good at trolling which is why I never rise to it, but I know you are just trolling.

On the other hand, if you thought this would get under my skin, maybe you really are that ignorant? YTBD =P

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Re: There are 2018 genders... and a bitch ain't one of them

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Post by Scented Nectar » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:38 pm

free thoughtpolice wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:49 am
Scented Nectar wrote:
I think she's been made the meat in the sandwich, and that she's been made to look bad to both the left and right, by a smear campaign by Bill Browder. Here's some interviews of her from last year if you're interested.
She claims not to be working for the Russian government, that Magnitsky was a criminal, that died in jail which was giant coincidence. Moose and Squirrel beg to differ.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Magnitsky
Magnitsky was arrested and imprisoned at the Butyrka prison in Moscow in November 2008 after being accused of colluding with Hermitage.[4] Held for 11 months without trial,[4] he was, as reported by The Telegraph, "denied visits from his family" and "forced into increasingly squalid cells."[16] He developed gall stones, pancreatitis and calculous cholecystitis, for which he was given inadequate medical treatment during his incarceration.[4] Surgery was ordered in June, but never performed; detention center chief Ivan P. Prokopenko later said that he "...did not consider Magnitsky sick... Prisoners often try to pass themselves off as sick, in order to get better conditions."[17]

On 16 November, eight days before he would have had to have been released if he were not brought to trial, Magnitsky died. Prison officials at first attributed his death to a "rupture to the abdominal membrane" and later to a heart attack.[4] Reporters learned that Magnitsky had complained of worsening stomach pain for five days prior to his death and that by the 15th, he was vomiting every three hours, and had a visibly swollen stomach.[17] On the day of his death, the prison physician, believing Magnitsky had a chronic disease, sent him by ambulance to and later transferred him to Matrosskaya Tishina prison's medical unit, which was equipped to help him.[18] But the surgeon there—who described Magnitsky as "agitated, trying to hide behind a bag and saying people were trying to kill him"—prescribed only a painkiller, and left him to receive a psychiatric evaluation.[17] Magnitsky was found dead in his cell a little over two hours later.

According to Ludmila Alekseeva, leader of the Moscow Helsinki Group, Magnitsky had died from being beaten and tortured by several officers of the Russian Ministry of Interior.[19] The official death certificate stated "closed cerebral cranial injury" as the cause of death (in addition to the other conditions mentioned above), and the post-mortem examination showed numerous bruises and wounds on Magnitsky's legs and hands. Another post-mortem from 2011 summarized the death as being caused by "traumatic application of the blunt hard object (objects)" as confirmed by "abrasions, ecchymomas, blood effusions into the soft tissues".[20]

Journalist Owen Matthews described Magnitsky's suffering in Moscow's Butyrka prison:

According to [Magnitsky's] heartbreaking prison diary, investigators repeatedly tried to persuade him to give testimony against Hermitage and drop the accusations against the police and tax authorities. When Magnitsky refused, he was moved to more and more horrible sections of the prison, and ultimately denied the medical treatment which could have saved his life.[21]
Why was Magnitsky jailed?
Exposing the scandal[edit]
In his investigation, auditor Magnitsky came to believe that the police had given the materials taken during the police raids to organized criminals, who used them to take over three of Hermitage's Russian companies and who fraudulently reclaimed $230m (£140m) of the taxes previously paid by Hermitage.[4][16] He also claimed police had accused Hermitage of tax evasion solely to justify the police raids, so they could take the materials needed to hijack the Hermitage companies and effect the tax refund fraud. Magnitsky's testimony implicated police, the judiciary, tax officials, bankers, and the Russian mafia.[4] In spite of the initial dismissal of his claims, Magnitsky's core allegation that Hermitage had not committed fraud—but had been victimized by it- was eventually validated. A sawmill foreman pleaded guilty in the matter to "fraud by prior collusion", though the foreman would maintain that police were not part of the plan.[16] Before then, however, Magnitsky became the subject of investigation by one of the policemen against whom he had testified as involved in the fraud. According to Browder, Magnitsky was "the 'go-to guy' in Moscow on courts, taxes, fines, anything to do with civil law."[7]

According to Magnitsky's investigation, the documents that had been taken by the Russian police in June 2007 were used to forge a change in ownership of Hermitage.[7] The thieves used the forged contracts to claim Hermitage owed $1 billion to shell companies. Unbeknownst to Hermitage, those claims were later authenticated by judges. In every instance, lawyers hired by the thieves to represent Hermitage (unbeknownst to Hermitage) pleaded guilty on the company's behalf and agreed to the claims, thereby obtaining judgments for debts that did not exist; all while Hermitage officials were unaware of these court proceedings.[7]

The new owner, based in Tatarstan, turned out to be Viktor Markelov, a convicted murderer released two years into his sentence.[7] The company's fake debt was used to make the companies look unprofitable in order to justify a refund of $230 million in tax that the companies had paid when they had been under Hermitage's control. The refund was issued Christmas Eve of 2007. It was the largest tax rebate in Russian history.[7]

Hermitage contacted the Russian government with the findings of its investigation. The money, which was not Hermitage's, belonged to the Russian people. Rather than opening a case against the police and the thieves, the Russian authorities opened a criminal case against Magnitsky.[7]
RT has a different story for sure. It is after all Putin's mouth piece.
Wiki is just quoting a bunch of mainstream newspapers, a documentary, and a letter from someone (representing some company - Moscow Helsinki Group) in the above. I checked the list of citations at the bottom of the page. Nothing I can consider as for sure credible since it's all at least once removed from the actual source of the info they're conveying.

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Re: There are 2018 genders... and a bitch ain't one of them

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Post by Oglebart » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:49 pm

Jack Wooster wrote:
dogen wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:48 am
katamari Damassi wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:10 am
The weather has been shirty in Florida and I was feeling nostalgic, so I bought an Xbox and Skyrim. My husband(who's only ever played phone games)has gotten into it. It's hilarious watching him learn to use the controller. Witcher 3 is next on the list.
My 13yo daughter has recently switched up from Minecraft to Skyrim (on PC). Most of the controls she gets naturally, but she never learned how to strafe (A, D) and so goes around corners having to furiously slew the mouse. Not good when sneaking up with bow drawn!

She also wants to run full tilt at everything; I end up yelling "It's a bow, not a bloody pickaxe! Leave some distance!"

It's been a long time since I last played Skyrim myself; I made myself a new character so I could follow her through the level progression. It's still buggy (altho that might be the absurd number of mods I've installed), but also still engaging, beautiful and a lot of fun.
I'm still playing Skyrim with a fair few mods the Vilja one has thousands of lines of dialogue and I still haven't got to the end of it.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/alc ... 1119233333
I'm in the middle of Witcher 3 right now. It's a remarkable game, I'll be playing it until Red Dead Redemption 2 comes out, hopefully sometime this spring.

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Re: There are 2018 genders... and a bitch ain't one of them

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Post by free thoughtpolice » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:51 pm

Scented wrote:
Wiki is just quoting a bunch of mainstream newspapers, a documentary, and a letter from someone (representing some company - Moscow Helsinki Group) in the above. I checked the list of citations at the bottom of the page. Nothing I can consider as for sure credible since it's all at least once removed from the actual source of the info they're conveying.
RT is pure Russian propaganda.The "MSM" doesn't always get it right, but for my money are far more reliable than RT or Alex Jones, or magick believer Mike Cernovich. (Fox news not really part of the MSM for this example)

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Re: There are 2018 genders... and a bitch ain't one of them

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Post by Lsuoma » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:55 pm

Scented Nectar wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:40 am
Scented Nectar wrote:
Actually, don't answer that. Lol. If his name gets mentioned by me in a positive light and in too many posts, like it might if we discuss that back and forth, a certain someone will throw a tantrum and change my words again. Maybe ban me to a special bad peoples' subforum again or something. Forget I asked! Yeah, I know I could just delete these last two paragraphs instead of saying to forget it, but it illustrates my earlier point about how the Pit feels different to me than it used to. See how I hesitate to even discuss things here? Feels a bit sjw/A+ like.
Why not throw a full-on tammy strop, instead of whiny snide remarks? Fuck you.
Oh hello! I might as well ask you outright. What are the censorship rules here today?
Whatever my Fascist mind decides. Just don't be BORING.

Also, someone mentioned left-wingers - who are they?

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Re: There are 2018 genders... and a bitch ain't one of them

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Post by Scented Nectar » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:56 pm

VickyCaramel wrote:
Scented Nectar wrote: [...] but it illustrates my earlier point about how the Pit feels different to me than it used to. See how I hesitate to even discuss things here? Feels a bit sjw/A+ like.
Rubbing people up the wrong way feeds me and makes me stronger. But I certainly hesitate to raise ideas which I want to entertain but not accept. It's not that I mind a pissing contest, it is that the left wingers here instantly jump to the conclusion that you have not only accepted those ideas, but bought into them, bought the t-shirt and advocate for them. And then several months later, someone will accuse you of being a Trump sucking, climate change denying, bigfoot believing conspiracy theories.
I know, eh? I don't believe in Bigfoot at all! :lol:

I guess I am a bit of a Trump fan though, and I don't buy into the climate change money grab anymore.

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Re: There are 2018 genders... and a bitch ain't one of them

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Post by paddybrown » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:58 pm

May I interrupt the current argument about Trump to appeal for computery help?

I spilled Coke (no, not "come", thanks very much autocorrect, I haven't done that since last week) on my laptop keyboard. I've cleaned it up as best I can, and when I plug in the mains adapter the charging light comes on, but the power button doesn't work. Is this likely to be fixable?

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Re: There are 2018 genders... and a bitch ain't one of them

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Post by dogen » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:59 pm

Barbie's Boyfriend wrote:
Billie from Ockham wrote:
Barbie's Boyfriend wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:33 am
And I'm not even mentioning Water Polo.

Those poor horses.
Q: Why did Texas A&M University finally drop its water polo team?

A: The horses kept drowning
Thirty years ago, it was the Polish Olympic water polo team. Progress is great, ain't it?
Aggie jokes are quite popular in Texas. And any Aggie joke at its core is just a Pollack joke with the word "Aggie" substituted for the word "Pollack"

Except for the sheep jokes. Never heard a Pollack joke that involved sheep.

Q: Why did the Aggie cross the road?

A: Cause the sheep crossed the road, and the Aggie's cock was stuck inside the sheep
Barbie's Boyfriend wrote:
Billie from Ockham wrote:
Barbie's Boyfriend wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:33 am
And I'm not even mentioning Water Polo.

Those poor horses.
Q: Why did Texas A&M University finally drop its water polo team?

A: The horses kept drowning
Thirty years ago, it was the Polish Olympic water polo team. Progress is great, ain't it?
Aggie jokes are quite popular in Texas. And any Aggie joke at its core is just a Pollack joke with the word "Aggie" substituted for the word "Pollack"

Except for the sheep jokes. Never heard a Pollack joke that involved sheep.

Q: Why did the Aggie cross the road?

A: Cause the sheep crossed the road, and the Aggie's cock was stuck inside the sheep
That's a re-tooled Welsh joke. There are no Welsh jokes that don't involve sheep.

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