In 2017 Idiocracy is a Documentary

[Matt Cavanaugh]

FYI, Laurier's Commissariat on Gendered Violence:

https://students.wlu.ca/wellness-and-re ... lence.html

Gendered Violence is an umbrella term that includes acts or actions that reinforce gender inequities that result in harm. This can include sexism, discrimination, harassment, biphobia, transphobia, homophobia, intimate partner violence and forms of sexual violence. Sexual Violence is a form of Gendered Violence that involves any act targeting a person’s sexuality, gender identity, or gender expression, that is committed, threatened or attempted against a person without their consent. Both gendered and sexual violence can be physical or psychological in nature and either can take place in person or on any communication platform (such as in online environments, or through the use of phones).

https://students.wlu.ca/wellness-and-re ... facts.html

DRUG-FACILITATED SEXUAL ASSAULT
Involves the perpetrator making use of alcohol and/or drugs (prescription or non-prescription) to control, overpower or subdue a victim for purposes of sexual assault.

Consent cannot be given by someone who is incapacitated (such as by drugs or alcohol), unconscious, or otherwise unable to understand and voluntarily give consent.


Myth: If a guy is drunk he might sexually assault someone unintentionally.

Fact: Intoxication is not an excuse for committing sexual assault. While alcohol may alter one’s decision making process, choosing to touch someone inappropriately without their consent is never excusable.

RAPE CULTURE
A complex set of beliefs, values, and practices that excuse, normalize, and condone sexual violence, either explicitly or implicitly. Rape culture refers to how we all think and do things in our lives that make sexual violence seem normal. This includes over-emphasizing false rape reports, blaming the victim for their assault, and condoning violent music lyrics that overlook the trauma associated with sexual violence.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

FYI, Laurier's Commissariat on Gendered Violence:

https://students.wlu.ca/wellness-and-re ... lence.html

Gendered Violence is an umbrella term that includes acts or actions that reinforce gender inequities that result in harm. This can include sexism, discrimination, harassment, biphobia, transphobia, homophobia, intimate partner violence and forms of sexual violence. Sexual Violence is a form of Gendered Violence that involves any act targeting a person’s sexuality, gender identity, or gender expression, that is committed, threatened or attempted against a person without their consent. Both gendered and sexual violence can be physical or psychological in nature and either can take place in person or on any communication platform (such as in online environments, or through the use of phones).

https://students.wlu.ca/wellness-and-re ... facts.html

DRUG-FACILITATED SEXUAL ASSAULT
Involves the perpetrator making use of alcohol and/or drugs (prescription or non-prescription) to control, overpower or subdue a victim for purposes of sexual assault.

Consent cannot be given by someone who is incapacitated (such as by drugs or alcohol), unconscious, or otherwise unable to understand and voluntarily give consent.


Myth: If a guy is drunk he might sexually assault someone unintentionally.

Fact: Intoxication is not an excuse for committing sexual assault. While alcohol may alter one’s decision making process, choosing to touch someone inappropriately without their consent is never excusable.

RAPE CULTURE
A complex set of beliefs, values, and practices that excuse, normalize, and condone sexual violence, either explicitly or implicitly. Rape culture refers to how we all think and do things in our lives that make sexual violence seem normal. This includes over-emphasizing false rape reports, blaming the victim for their assault, and condoning violent music lyrics that overlook the trauma associated with sexual violence.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Ah hell.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

It is the responsibility of the person who wants to engage in physical contact or sexual activity to make sure that they have consent from the other person(s) involved;

https://www.wlu.ca/about/governance/ass ... dures.html

WTF? Don't both people want to engage in physical contact or sexual activity when they engage in physical contact or sexual activity?

[jet_lagg]

I'll help you out.

It is the responsibility of the person man who wants to engage in physical contact or sexual activity to make sure that they have consent from the other person(s) woman involved;

[InfraRedBucket]

You guys see the Laurier report yet?

I'm curious how she came to the inquisitors attention without a student filing a complaint.

As detailed in the article linked here, posted earlier.

As for Shepherd, she called her boyfriend to say she thought everything went well and that the students were really engaged. Neither knew one student from the class would soon contact the Rainbow Centre, the campus LGBTQ support community, to complain about the discussion. Toby Finlay, an administrator at the Rainbow Centre, wouldn’t share the specifics of the conversation due to confidentiality reasons, but adds: “It was through us that they made the complaint that led to the situation that blew up in the media.”

[Really?]

Bret Weinstein live with Joe Rogan.

[Shatterface]

I'll help you out.

It is the responsibility of the person man who wants to engage in physical contact or sexual activity to make sure that they have consent from the other person(s) woman involved;

They live in a world where everyone is either subject or object.

Sex isn't an activity involving two actors; there is one person having sex and another upon whom sex is performed.

[Brive1987]

We could pick up 50 or 60K white South Africans per year from their current squatter camps if we really needed entrepreneurial fresh meat.

I'm not sure that squatter camp occupants are a likely source of entrepreneurial talent. Nor am I sure that the figures you posted earlier about white squatter camps pass muster. There are two things about South Africa that I know for sure. One is that the SA government are fairly incompetent, tend to lie, and are not a credible source of statistics. The other is that white genocide alarmists also tend to be full of shit.

No one knows the real figures re white poverty. The BBC reported the 400k number in 2013 and came under attack as a consequence.

I guess I had three points.

1. In South Africa there are 119 race laws protecting the 90% majority. SA is determined, via proportional employment, to bring the white population into line with black expectations. Getting fired for a quota throws the unemployed into a limited opportunity environment. Especially for the white working class. The rise of squatter camps is symptomatic of this dynamic.

2. Genocide is the intentional action to destroy a people (usually defined as an ethnic, national, racial, or religious group) in whole or in part. There is a lot of debate over what "destroy" and "in part" means. Certainly Lempkin, who coined the word, understood that "cultural genocide" was a thing before the Nazis stole the spotlight with their holocaust. What is happening in SA (and elsewhere) is not outside the genocide debate parameters.

3. My wife's family is SA and my personal experience is that white South Africans, for all the inequality, operated in a difficult and hostile environment completely alien to Euro-American norms. They tend to be more resourceful and independent than your typical westerner. Not a bad demographic to import if you are looking for quality stock with which to top-up your population.

[Brive1987]

It would appear that 1940 was not a teachable lesson.

The primary responsibility of any government is the defence of its borders. Or is that a quaint #tradlife notion?

Quaint notion? I'm seriously pretty sure it's considered a racist notion.

So yeah, closed borders is almost certainly racist.

Borders want to be open.

It's always nice to see the left and right find common ground.

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/imag ... 5bqtEtP6iT

[screwtape]

I'll help you out.

It is the responsibility of the person man who wants to engage in physical contact or sexual activity to make sure that they have consent from the other person(s) woman involved;

They live in a world where everyone is either subject or object.

Sex isn't an activity involving two actors; there is one person having sex and another upon whom sex is performed.

Sounds like Le Duc de la Rochefoucauld: There is always one who loves, and one who consents to be loved.
This book review might help.

[Brive1987]

I'm tasting the red pill after spending the afternoon delving into govt stats in order to produce the following:

[img.]https://i.imgur.com/Z2cS8Sy.jpg[/img]

[.img]https://i.imgur.com/fSbodat.jpg[/img]

I really don't recall a referendum in 1985 where we decided to replace the existing historical culture and demographic with something new and different. America we aint.

Of course there may have been a plan I missed ...

Same thing happened here in Canada; there was no referendum, no parliamentary debate, no election platform involving the switch to multi-culturalism. I'm fairly sure it was Trudeau-père's way of diminishing the French separatist movement by diluting the population of Montreal. Well that certainly worked.
I am an immigrant, and the process was difficult, even though I belonged to the preferred group of the day (northern European, spoke both official languages, possessing qualifications in a shortage profession). It is irritating to know we let in pretty much anyone who asks now, with deliberate and willful inattention to whether they are needed. I'm perfectly happy to fill the country with people of any colour and from any other land, but there's no reason why they ought not to speak English or French, have a needed skill, and a desire to assimilate and fit in. Any country seen as a decent spot to live can be picky about who gets in, and failing to be choosy damages that country. It seems official Canada feels guilty about having a nice country, and wants to correct that by sharing with all, at which point it won't be so nice. Problem solved.

I really can't wrap my head around what newcomers are expected to integrate with in a multicultural society. Especially one ashamed of its historical roots. Pop culture? Or those elusive civic national motherhood statements that leave no cultural bonding points?

Case in point Peter FitzSimons is keen to dismantle all reference to the monarchy here in favour of a uniquely Australian approach.

"Please explain".

Because in a "post national" Nation confusion reigns and the most cohesive cultural splinter will eventually prevail.

[Keating]

These always make me cringe in Australia too:

[Keating]

The first girl I had a major crush on was South African - diplomat's daughter in Poland. I've always regretted not asking her out.

[Brive1987]

I was in SA 1990/91. It never failed to amaze me when even the most THOTy blonde would come out with wonderful clipped long-vowel english and a no nonsense attitude still nicely aligned to a loosely role based view of gender relations.

A heady and illegally delicious mixture.

[Brive1987]

The first girl I had a major crush on was South African - diplomat's daughter in Poland. I've always regretted not asking her out.

Of course you may have been thinking of this South African belle.

[DrokkIt]

Anyone else following the Kraut & Tea fucktarded nonsense?
A lot of "youtube skeptics" and alt-right people making themselves look bloody stupid. Metokur video on it soon, hopefully.

[MarcusAu]

The South African inflection must be the most skin-crawing, nails-on-chalk board, irritating accent in the entire British Commonweath. Even Rhodesian is more pleasant to listen to.

There must be a better testament to the good character of the Afrikaners - perhaps in the example of Smuts.

[ERV]

The South African inflection must be the most skin-crawing, nails-on-chalk board, irritating accent in the entire British Commonweath. Even Rhodesian is more pleasant to listen to.

There must be a better testament to the good character of the Afrikaners - perhaps in the example of Smuts.

Haha haha I couldn't understand a living soul in Cape Town. I have no trouble understanding broken English/thick accents from all over the world, but in S.A. I just smiled and nodded :shock: I am not joking at all. I thought it was just me.

[MacGruberKnows]

The first girl I had a major crush on was South African - diplomat's daughter in Poland. I've always regretted not asking her out.

Of course you may have been thinking of this South African belle.

For 7.25 an hour I'd be willing to hire her.

For one hour.

[Billie from Ockham]

The takeovers are still going on in other niches. The Magic community is having it's own little Gate with Jeremy of Unsleeved Media being the villain du jour. As a brief synopsis, Jeremy is a bit of a self-admitted arsehole with an MTG youtube channel. He made some comments months ago about a cosplayer who he thought was a poser taking advantage of socially inadequate players. He made a couple more tweets about Sprankle, the cosplayer, after that and she has recently announced that she is quitting the MTG scene because of Jeremy's "harassment" campaign. Wizards of the Coast, producers of the game (correct me if I'm wrong, no clue about games) have banned Jeremy for life from something or other and apparently confiscated game-related property he paid for. It is going to be interesting to see what happens because he is fighting back hard and showing up the vacuity of the accusations and has evidence that WOTC employees have directed people to go after him IRL. He has also brought to light that Sprankle was accepted for a course of study before suddenly deciding that she was being harassed. Her Patreon was also dying, but obviously a coincidence because nobody could be that cynical. Perhaps the SJWs have become so used to getting away with lies and actual harassment that their overconfidence is going to sink them here.

That's essentially correct, with the exception that I haven't heard anything about Wizards trying to confiscate property, only that Jeremy has been banned from DCI which means that he can't even play MtG at his local game-store.

For those into Magic, what's especially amusing is that people who have been caught cheating at major events have received lesser punishments than a permanent loss of their DCI number. But chicks in kinky costumes are critical to gaming events and conventions, so this decision by Wizards makes economic sense. Some of the loudest complaints that I've heard about the live-action version of Major Motoko not having nipples were lodged almost exactly 11 days ago. (Do the math.)

[VickyCaramel]

Anyone else following the Kraut & Tea fucktarded nonsense?
A lot of "youtube skeptics" and alt-right people making themselves look bloody stupid. Metokur video on it soon, hopefully.

Hell yeah, been glued to it for days. It looks like it could kill Kilroy, Dave Cullen has now pulled out to spend more time with his family, citing a disagreement over direction. But Based Momma is implicated in this scandal which throws further suspicions on her commitment to free speech.

Anybody who didn't already realize that Jeff Holiday was a wanker can surely be in no doubt, and as an added bonus, it looks like Coach RedPill is going to get hauled through the dirt for New Year.

My only concern is that the Alt-Right are claiming credit for taking down the internet skeptics... while the reality is that it has been rational, skeptical people like Jean-Francois Gariépy, uzalu, Alternative Hypothesis and Justicar who have been attacking Kraut, people like Vee and Sargon disavowed Kraut (and the label "skepticism"), and of course Kraut's clown circus have been anything but "skeptics".

This is the best drama since elevatorgate.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Sounds like Le Duc de la Rochefoucauld: There is always one who loves, and one who consents to be loved.

Or the Duc de la Rochambault: There is always one who covers, and one who consents to be covered; one who cuts, and one who consents to be cut; but the one who consents to be covered breaks the one who cuts.

[Billie from Ockham]

From the President of Wilfrid Laurier's statement: "It bears repeating in the current context that Laurier’s support for our lesbian, gay, bi, trans, queer and two-spirited (LGBTQ2S) campus community and transgender people in particular is unwavering."

Do I even want to know what "two-spirited" means? Is there going to be back-lash against the suggestion that two is the maximum?

As to the idea that "Consent cannot be given by someone who is incapacitated (such as by drugs or alcohol), unconscious, or otherwise unable to understand and voluntarily give consent" (which I happen to agree with), does this not imply that anyone who has sex with a drunk man is guilty of rape, even if she didn't consent either?

[shoutinghorse]

Anyone else following the Kraut & Tea fucktarded nonsense?
A lot of "youtube skeptics" and alt-right people making themselves look bloody stupid. Metokur video on it soon, hopefully.

Aware of it but not really taken much notice, just another internet spat as far as I was concerned but interesting that Sargon seems to be distancing himself from his old chum Kraut over it.

[Brive1987]

The South African inflection must be the most skin-crawing, nails-on-chalk board, irritating accent in the entire British Commonweath. Even Rhodesian is more pleasant to listen to.

There must be a better testament to the good character of the Afrikaners - perhaps in the example of Smuts.

You must be hanging with the boers rather than the English speakers.

Here is a reasonable example and, apart from the term genocide, I must be missing something if this messaging is fundamentally "wrong".

Further, as I've noted before, genocide is seen as a process and genocidewatch has South Africa at stage 6
http://genocidewatch.net/genocide-2/8-s ... -genocide/

So even that 'problematic' label is excusable.



But you know. "Post colonial consciousness" eh man?

[MarcusAu]

Anyone else following the Kraut & Tea fucktarded nonsense?
A lot of "youtube skeptics" and alt-right people making themselves look bloody stupid. Metokur video on it soon, hopefully.

Hell yeah, been glued to it for days. It looks like it could kill Kilroy, Dave Cullen has now pulled out to spend more time with his family, citing a disagreement over direction. But Based Momma is implicated in this scandal which throws further suspicions on her commitment to free speech.

Anybody who didn't already realize that Jeff Holiday was a wanker can surely be in no doubt, and as an added bonus, it looks like Coach RedPill is going to get hauled through the dirt for New Year.

My only concern is that the Alt-Right are claiming credit for taking down the internet skeptics... while the reality is that it has been rational, skeptical people like Jean-Francois Gariépy, uzalu, Alternative Hypothesis and Justicar who have been attacking Kraut, people like Vee and Sargon disavowed Kraut (and the label "skepticism"), and of course Kraut's clown circus have been anything but "skeptics".

This is the best drama since elevatorgate.

I've seen bits and pieces but not enough to get a full picture. I'd heard that Kraut's 'Brain's Trust' was running a brain-storming session which skewed more towards a dirty tricks campaign (ie doxxing) - and ended up being leaked. Not heard about Dave Cullen or Based Mama's involvemnt though.

nb Jean-Francois Gariépy & Alternative Hypothesis could be classified as 'rational, skeptical people' - but they also (self) identify as 'Alt-Right' and if I'm not mistaken race-realists.

Anyone have a cliff notes edition on where to start with this?

I found the following relatively new channel - which seems to specialise in providing drama sound-bites from longer streams:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ichhsqFBUM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoyWNHSxSRU

[DrokkIt]

Anyone else following the Kraut & Tea fucktarded nonsense?
A lot of "youtube skeptics" and alt-right people making themselves look bloody stupid. Metokur video on it soon, hopefully.

Hell yeah, been glued to it for days. It looks like it could kill Kilroy, Dave Cullen has now pulled out to spend more time with his family, citing a disagreement over direction. But Based Momma is implicated in this scandal which throws further suspicions on her commitment to free speech.

Anybody who didn't already realize that Jeff Holiday was a wanker can surely be in no doubt, and as an added bonus, it looks like Coach RedPill is going to get hauled through the dirt for New Year.

My only concern is that the Alt-Right are claiming credit for taking down the internet skeptics... while the reality is that it has been rational, skeptical people like Jean-Francois Gariépy, uzalu, Alternative Hypothesis and Justicar who have been attacking Kraut, people like Vee and Sargon disavowed Kraut (and the label "skepticism"), and of course Kraut's clown circus have been anything but "skeptics".

This is the best drama since elevatorgate.

I'm with you there Vicky, it's being played as some big Alt-Right moral victory whereas in reality it's as you say- mostly actual rational people doing skepticism of some kind.

I've always liked Jeff Holiday because I'm a lefty cucktard and he reminds me of lots of my friends, however he's been caught here doing the exact same ad-hom bullshit that pricks like CRP do. Seems they got all cozied up in an online hissy fit.

Doxxing is fucking appalling and these people who complained so loudly about SJWs doing it ought to have kept well clear. Like Sargon did.


I think the Kilroy deal was always about making some money off a movement, not surprised at all to hear about this shite. As Jim Metokur said "if it's fully funded why are they charging to get in". Iffy as fuck.

[VickyCaramel]

Anyone else following the Kraut & Tea fucktarded nonsense?
A lot of "youtube skeptics" and alt-right people making themselves look bloody stupid. Metokur video on it soon, hopefully.

Hell yeah, been glued to it for days. It looks like it could kill Kilroy, Dave Cullen has now pulled out to spend more time with his family, citing a disagreement over direction. But Based Momma is implicated in this scandal which throws further suspicions on her commitment to free speech.

Anybody who didn't already realize that Jeff Holiday was a wanker can surely be in no doubt, and as an added bonus, it looks like Coach RedPill is going to get hauled through the dirt for New Year.

My only concern is that the Alt-Right are claiming credit for taking down the internet skeptics... while the reality is that it has been rational, skeptical people like Jean-Francois Gariépy, uzalu, Alternative Hypothesis and Justicar who have been attacking Kraut, people like Vee and Sargon disavowed Kraut (and the label "skepticism"), and of course Kraut's clown circus have been anything but "skeptics".

This is the best drama since elevatorgate.

I've seen bits and pieces but not enough to get a full picture. I'd heard that Kraut's 'Brain's Trust' was running a brain-storming session which skewed more towards a dirty tricks campaign (ie doxxing) - and ended up being leaked. Not heard about Dave Cullen or Based Mama's involvemnt though.

nb Jean-Francois Gariépy & Alternative Hypothesis could be classified as 'rational, skeptical people' - but they also (self) identify as 'Alt-Right' and if I'm not mistaken race-realists.

JF is a libertarian Quebecois separatist or something. As far as I know, AH would be better described as Alt-Light. I know for sure that JF definitely doesn't identify as Alt-Right, but they are both race realists but that has nothing to do with a political position.

This seems to be the problem, it isn't the Alt-Right who have countered Kraut's videos, it has been people purely attacking the science (or lack of it). This was entertaining enough, but then it turned out that Kraut was compiling a hit list of just about anyone who was on the right or disagreed with him. It seems he even went after one of the moderators on The Amazing Atheist's forums because of rumours of his sexual indiscretions. Kraut decided to resurrect the Stasi to police the internet.

So the whole thing is in two phases, Kraut getting pawnd over his science, and then the revelations of his dirty deeds which is still coming out.

This video takes you up until 4 days go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4xQoF-NyAQ

For the fallout from the last 4 days and the rapidly emerging scandal over Killroy, you might have to wait, things are happening too fast right now.

[BoxNDox]

I'll help you out.

It is the responsibility of the person man who wants to engage in physical contact or sexual activity to make sure that they have consent from the other person(s) woman involved;

They live in a world where everyone is either subject or object.

Sex isn't an activity involving two actors; there is one person having sex and another upon whom sex is performed.

That's the saddest thing I've heard in a while.

[VickyCaramel]

Warski just announced he is dropping out of Killroy FYI.

[DrokkIt]

Anyone else following the Kraut & Tea fucktarded nonsense?
A lot of "youtube skeptics" and alt-right people making themselves look bloody stupid. Metokur video on it soon, hopefully.

Aware of it but not really taken much notice, just another internet spat as far as I was concerned but interesting that Sargon seems to be distancing himself from his old chum Kraut over it.

It's definitely got a huge chunk of silly drama to it, but doxxing is a big no-no afaic.

I get why someone might want to oppose the alt-right, and organise against it to some extent.

Using the self-same tactics the SJW crowd used (and these people all complained about) is hypocritical trash, though.

[Lsuoma]

The South African inflection must be the most skin-crawing, nails-on-chalk board, irritating accent in the entire British Commonweath. Even Rhodesian is more pleasant to listen to.

There must be a better testament to the good character of the Afrikaners - perhaps in the example of Smuts.

[MarcusAu]

You must be hanging with the boers rather than the English speakers.

Here is a reasonable example and, apart from the term genocide, I must be missing something if this messaging is fundamentally "wrong".

Further, as I've noted before, genocide is seen as a process and genocidewatch has South Africa at stage 6
http://genocidewatch.net/genocide-2/8-s ... -genocide/

So even that 'problematic' label is excusable.

<you tube clip removed>

But you know. "Post colonial consciousness" eh man?

The quotes in your reply must be something that someone at sometime perhaps said - but I don't recall using those words myself. I am completely able to misrepresent my own views should it prove necessary to do so. In short I'm not sure that I hold all (or any) of the positions that you have cut out for me.

Oh well - I'll be Michael Parkinson and you can be Cupid Stunt - if you need someone to bounce your ideas off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxf8Sf_Hyk4

[MarcusAu]

Warski just announced he is dropping out of Killroy FYI.

Should you have close to 2(!) hours to spare - here is the video where J F G (you know the Canadian-French guy) says that he has made his peace with it and does not object to be labled 'Alt-Right'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F663p9sxprg

Actually - It's in the first 30 minutes if memory serves.

[shoutinghorse]

Anyone else following the Kraut & Tea fucktarded nonsense?
A lot of "youtube skeptics" and alt-right people making themselves look bloody stupid. Metokur video on it soon, hopefully.

Aware of it but not really taken much notice, just another internet spat as far as I was concerned but interesting that Sargon seems to be distancing himself from his old chum Kraut over it.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ripedq_n-es

It's definitely got a huge chunk of silly drama to it, but doxxing is a big no-no afaic.

I get why someone might want to oppose the alt-right, and organise against it to some extent.

Using the self-same tactics the SJW crowd used (and these people all complained about) is hypocritical trash, though.

I never really took much notice as I don't follow either Kraut nor JF on YT or social media, I've only really listened to Kraut via Sargon and JF via the Drunken Peasants and to be honest it's been some time since I've watched a DP show (I just can't abide Paul's Ego) so although aware as i say that this row was going on I never took much notice. However reading Vicky's take on this and just watching those two vids on Warski's channel I may need to do some homework. I like a good tear up. :angry-cussingargument:

[DrokkIt]

Anyone else following the Kraut & Tea fucktarded nonsense?
A lot of "youtube skeptics" and alt-right people making themselves look bloody stupid. Metokur video on it soon, hopefully.

Aware of it but not really taken much notice, just another internet spat as far as I was concerned but interesting that Sargon seems to be distancing himself from his old chum Kraut over it.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ripedq_n-es

It's definitely got a huge chunk of silly drama to it, but doxxing is a big no-no afaic.

I get why someone might want to oppose the alt-right, and organise against it to some extent.

Using the self-same tactics the SJW crowd used (and these people all complained about) is hypocritical trash, though.

I never really took much notice as I don't follow either Kraut nor JF on YT or social media, I've only really listened to Kraut via Sargon and JF via the Drunken Peasants and to be honest it's been some time since I've watched a DP show (I just can't abide Paul's Ego) so although aware as i say that this row was going on I never took much notice. However reading Vicky's take on this and just watching those two vids on Warski's channel I may need to do some homework. I like a good tear up. :angry-cussingargument:

There was a great moment on a Warski livestream where Jim Metokur turned up and wound everyone up brilliantly. It's very ripe with silly bullshit that not only is funny, but also is a good example of why these tactics *are always bad no matter who uses them*.

[MarcusAu]

The South African inflection must be the most skin-crawing, nails-on-chalk board, irritating accent in the entire British Commonweath. Even Rhodesian is more pleasant to listen to.

There must be a better testament to the good character of the Afrikaners - perhaps in the example of Smuts.

Phew! That's a relief - for a moment I thought you were going to link to something offensive...

[shoutinghorse]

I've never met a nice South African .. Mun!

[Ape+lust]

Jeezus Christ, Peez. What did the kid ever do to you?

https://imgur.com/P5VtHEo.jpg

https://imgur.com/rQwdLDH.jpg

https://twitter.com/pzmyers/status/942933568044482560

[VickyCaramel]

Warski just announced he is dropping out of Killroy FYI.

Should you have close to 2(!) hours to spare - here is the video where J F G (you know the Canadian-French guy) says that he has made his peace with it and does not object to be labled 'Alt-Right'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F663p9sxprg

Actually - It's in the first 30 minutes if memory serves.

I listened to 35mins and didn't catch that. I am afraid i don't have time for more.
The way I remember it, he essentially says that an ethno-state is absurd, but as he is a French-Canadian separatist, he is being hypocritical in holding that position because that is essentially an entho-state.
He is drunk in this stream, and even when he is sober he admits to holding contradictory positions which he has to settle with pragmatism. He is contrarian with his guests and his audience and often says things to troll or to make a point. I wouldn't take it to seriously even if he did say it, I have heard a lot of his streams and he doesn't sound very alt-right to me. Coach RedPill is far more right wing and he isn't even white!

Frankly I find the whole Alt-Right thing incredibly confusing. If you are goose stepping around worshiping Hitler, you are not being alternative, you are being a Nazi. I thought the whole point of being that Alt-Right was not being a conservative republican, and not being a Nazi, you were somewhere in between.

Either way, JF doesn't seem to be seen as Alt-Right by either the Alt-Right or Conservative. His libertarian views contradict just about everything including some of the things he said either side of stating them.

[mordacious1]

You can’t spell Cnut without...
No, I can’t do it.

[Shatterface]

Caught up with the first two episodes of the New series of The League of Gentlemen and it's great to see they haven't lost their edge, mocking safe spaces and pronouns in the first three minutes.

Mark Gatiss' performance as the bingo caller in episode two was astonishing.

[MarcusAu]

I listened to 35mins and didn't catch that. I am afraid i don't have time for more.
The way I remember it, he essentially says that an ethno-state is absurd, but as he is a French-Canadian separatist, he is being hypocritical in holding that position because that is essentially an entho-state.
He is drunk in this stream, and even when he is sober he admits to holding contradictory positions which he has to settle with pragmatism. He is contrarian with his guests and his audience and often says things to troll or to make a point. I wouldn't take it to seriously even if he did say it, I have heard a lot of his streams and he doesn't sound very alt-right to me. Coach RedPill is far more right wing and he isn't even white!

Frankly I find the whole Alt-Right thing incredibly confusing. If you are goose stepping around worshiping Hitler, you are not being alternative, you are being a Nazi. I thought the whole point of being that Alt-Right was not being a conservative republican, and not being a Nazi, you were somewhere in between.

Either way, JF doesn't seem to be seen as Alt-Right by either the Alt-Right or Conservative. His libertarian views contradict just about everything including some of the things he said either side of stating them.

He's a long winded cuss at the best of times (Sorry about inflicting that on you). nb. I don't recall ever listening to a stream of his where he was sober.

I'm not sure of the precise definition of Alt-Right either - so whether or not JFG is one or not doesn't really matter to any great degree.

[DrokkIt]

Caught up with the first two episodes of the New series of The League of Gentlemen and it's great to see they haven't lost their edge, mocking safe spaces and pronouns in the first three minutes.

Mark Gatiss' performance as the bingo caller in episode two was astonishing.

I also really enjoyed it, just in time to go to facebook and see everyone getting in a tiz about how transphobic it is.

My oh my.

[MarcusAu]

You can’t spell Cnut without...
No, I can’t do it.

It's probably futile to attempt to stop it...one might as well try to hold back the incoming tide.

[DrokkIt]

Jeezus Christ, Peez. What did the kid ever do to you?

https://imgur.com/P5VtHEo.jpg

https://imgur.com/rQwdLDH.jpg

https://twitter.com/pzmyers/status/942933568044482560

Christ, just spell in CANUTE you ruddy pillock.

[VickyCaramel]

I'm not sure of the precise definition of Alt-Right either - so whether or not JFG is one or not doesn't really matter to any great degree.

The arguments against Kraut were on the science, while the action taken by Kraut et al, were ideological, anti-science, vindictive, and everything we come to expect from the SJWs. It is quite worrying then that Kraut's destruction is being seen as the end of the skeptic community, and people are disavowing the label.
The fact that I haven't heard anybody yet say, "Hang on a minute, I AM a skeptic, at least I am trying to be!" goes to show how bad things had got.

[DrokkIt]

I'm not sure of the precise definition of Alt-Right either - so whether or not JFG is one or not doesn't really matter to any great degree.

The arguments against Kraut were on the science, while the action taken by Kraut et al, were ideological, anti-science, vindictive, and everything we come to expect from the SJWs. It is quite worrying then that Kraut's destruction is being seen as the end of the skeptic community, and people are disavowing the label.
The fact that I haven't heard anybody yet say, "Hang on a minute, I AM a skeptic, at least I am trying to be!" goes to show how bad things had got.

The actual Alt-Right heavily dislike (people who are more or less) skeptics because said people tend to not be very amenable towards identitarian ideology.
I do think this is a bit of an issue, and I do foresee more clashes between these two loose groups. Partially because SJWism is considered "defeated" (even though it isn't), and partially because these ways of thinking are inherently opposed.

Both the far left and alt-right conceive of a world where X group (workers, whites, native people, whatever) is the essential moral unit *and not the individual*. Someone in "the skeptic community" is likely to at least have an individualistic outlook and be more or less against group think.

[Really?]

Jeezus Christ, Peez. What did the kid ever do to you?

https://imgur.com/P5VtHEo.jpg

https://imgur.com/rQwdLDH.jpg

https://twitter.com/pzmyers/status/942933568044482560

Looks like we know one of PZ's sexist phone autocorrects. Wonder where he's said that before.

[Really?]

Oh, and it is pretty transphobic to force a gender on a baby of color.

[Brive1987]

You must be hanging with the boers rather than the English speakers.

Here is a reasonable example and, apart from the term genocide, I must be missing something if this messaging is fundamentally "wrong".

Further, as I've noted before, genocide is seen as a process and genocidewatch has South Africa at stage 6
http://genocidewatch.net/genocide-2/8-s ... -genocide/

So even that 'problematic' label is excusable.

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But you know. "Post colonial consciousness" eh man?

The quotes in your reply must be something that someone at sometime perhaps said - but I don't recall using those words myself. I am completely able to misrepresent my own views should it prove necessary to do so. In short I'm not sure that I hold all (or any) of the positions that you have cut out for me.

Oh well - I'll be Michael Parkinson and you can be Cupid Stunt - if you need someone to bounce your ideas off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxf8Sf_Hyk4

Oh no, I segued away from your (callous) views on accent when I addressed the content of the video (ie as opposed to its undoubted aural and visual aesthetic). To date I don't believe you have presented a view on the SA white genocide. Only something approaching civic nationalism wrapped in a black armband - as it relates to OZ.

But I can forgive you that.

[Ape+lust]

You must be hanging with the boers rather than the English speakers.

Here is a reasonable example and, apart from the term genocide, I must be missing something if this messaging is fundamentally "wrong".

Further, as I've noted before, genocide is seen as a process and genocidewatch has South Africa at stage 6
http://genocidewatch.net/genocide-2/8-s ... -genocide/

So even that 'problematic' label is excusable.



But you know. "Post colonial consciousness" eh man?

Y'know, Turkey Moose, the Cape Town "ethicist," should be the ONE GUY with plenty to say about SA racial strife. But, though he's lauded as some sort of Important Voice of Justice, he's less interested in the violence and decay outside his door than he is in waggling his finger at American Whites for their lock on movies, games, and offensive tweets. He had to reach all the way over to Charlottesville USA before finding a threat that made his family feel unsafe in their South African homes.

https://imgur.com/0Rm5AgZ.png



https://imgur.com/fB9OJwc.jpg

[Matt Cavanaugh]

this was fascinating and discouraging:

[Brive1987]

"Throbbing pustules of toxic white grievance". Oh yes. This is someone to take seriously.

In his fantasy bubble.

http://i.imgur.com/qUeM2S3.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/RA26KOW.jpg

[MarcusAu]

Oh no, I segued away from your (callous) views on accent when I addressed the content of the video (ie as opposed to its undoubted aural and visual aesthetic). To date I don't believe you have presented a view on the SA white genocide. Only something approaching civic nationalism wrapped in a black armband - as it relates to OZ.

But I can forgive you that.

Well that's a relief.

After all, it's the right time of year to receive useless things that I didn't ask for.


And for it's part, Australia will somehow have to learn to live with comments on Internet forums that some might find insensitive. From what you have said to date though - I think they have bigger fish to fry.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Our snake Dexter died early this morning.

[Brive1987]

Oh no, I segued away from your (callous) views on accent when I addressed the content of the video (ie as opposed to its undoubted aural and visual aesthetic). To date I don't believe you have presented a view on the SA white genocide. Only something approaching civic nationalism wrapped in a black armband - as it relates to OZ.

But I can forgive you that.

Well that's a relief.

After all, it's the right time of year to receive useless things that I didn't ask for.


And for it's part, Australia will somehow have to learn to live with comments on Internet forums that some might find insensitive. From what you have said to date though - I think they have bigger fish to fry.

I said "I can". Not "I will". As for "Australia" - I will scratch your advice on the dunny door as an informal plebiscite.

Amusingly I read the South African constitution today.
http://www.wipo.int/edocs/lexdocs/laws/ ... a107en.pdf

"Hailed by many as one of the most liberal and progressive in the world today."

Chapter 2 point 9 deals with equality.

Check out subpoint 5 as it relates to subpoint 3

http://i.imgur.com/0he7s8m.jpg

:clap: :lol: :lol:

[Easy J]

Our snake Dexter died early this morning.

Sorry to hear that. You gave him the most comfortable life a snake could have. My first reflex is to insist that you rebound fast with another small, cute thing to help you get over it. The animal you scoop up will deserve the loving home, too, so win, win.

[feathers]

They live in a world where everyone is either subject or object.

Sex isn't an activity involving two actors; there is one person having sex and another upon whom sex is performed.

Where the man is humping down, and the woman humping up.