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Tigzy wrote:
Wow. He was actually interrupted by a genuine, literal 'REEE'. Holy shit. You could put a bit of Paulstretch on that, and it really would sound like a Slayer out of Krull dying.
These references are getting a bit obscure

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:WHAT THE FUCK EXACTLY DO YOU WANT, YOU FUCKING FREAK?!
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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEvQNiQUIAA-_qQ.jpg:large


WHAT THE FUCK EXACTLY DO YOU WANT, YOU FUCKING FREAK?!
To sell a book:

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Billie from Ockham wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEvQNiQUIAA-_qQ.jpg:large


WHAT THE FUCK EXACTLY DO YOU WANT, YOU FUCKING FREAK?!
The obvious answer to the question of what the freak wants is: "depends."
Sorry, but ze would not need Depends ™ unless the stain was brown, and located about 180 degrees away from the red stain

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Depends™ for her. Depends™ for him. Yet no Depends ™ for zer ! Methinks the Depends ™ Adult Diaper Company is a tad bit transphobic !!!
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H/T Jerry
Awesome.

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Barbie's Boyfriend wrote:Sorry, but ze would not need Depends ™ unless the stain was brown, and located about 180 degrees away from the red stain
I thought that we agreed to give a Phil on Saturdays.

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How does "give Phil a break" turn into "give a Phil"?

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Billie from Ockham wrote:How does "give Phil a break" turn into "give a Phil"?
From the Urban Dictionary:
phil is an over all amazing person. tall, usually around 6'2, with dark, longer hair. absolutely adorable with a great sense of humour. he travels a lot with his best friend who usually goes by the name dan, and loves to meet new people.
phil: hey dan, are you ready to meet some more fans today?
dan: yeah, i just hope i dont catch on fire... again.

Ray of sunshine. Too pure for this world. Somehow adorable and sexy at the same time.

Dan: See that guy over there?
Emilia: Yea?
Dan: You could literally photosynthesize off of him.
Emilia: Whats his name?
Dan: Phil.
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Billie from Ockham wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEvQNiQUIAA-_qQ.jpg:large


WHAT THE FUCK EXACTLY DO YOU WANT, YOU FUCKING FREAK?!
The obvious answer to the question of what the freak wants is: "depends."
Best.Post.Evah!

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Lsuoma wrote:Best.Post.Evah!
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I've just watched the Rubin/Laci Green video and I must say I was fairly impressed with the lady, if I'm honest I have never really bothered watching any of her videos and only knew who she was through other YouTubers critiques of her. I don't agree with her on a few issues but she most certainly comes across as a smart reasoned and quite a likeable person, what was very interesting is how she says she's never laughed as much since she started engaging with the anti-SJW side.

Who would have guessed? ;)

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Watson launches her typical "all about me" bitchkeig. And gets a lesson in her comments that cheques are the poor persons credit card.

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ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:I'm in, but a queue's forming.

[.img]https://i2.wp.com/freethoughtblogs.com/ ... .jpg?ssl=1[/img]
As pointed out originally, there is something beyond creepy about hover-handing your own children.
What seems rather "creepy" is obsessing over something as innocuous as that photograph ...

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What photograph?

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http://ijr.com/the-declaration/2017/07/ ... eft-islam/

This chick is attractive, black, and anti-Islam...

I really hope stories about her get picked up by the usual suspects...

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Steersman wrote:
ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:I'm in, but a queue's forming.

[.img]https://i2.wp.com/freethoughtblogs.com/ ... .jpg?ssl=1[/img]
As pointed out originally, there is something beyond creepy about hover-handing your own children.
What seems rather "creepy" is obsessing over something as innocuous as that photograph ...
Bad things happen when no stands on the wall the wall.

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Brive1987 wrote:Watson launches her typical "all about me" bitchkeig. And gets a lesson in her comments that cheques are the poor persons credit card.
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Easy J wrote:
gurugeorge wrote:But the thing is, for the common people, having nothing to believe in isn't just some fey #firstworldproblem. It directly leads to family breakdown, crime, Idiocracy, etc., etc. Once again: smart people can just about handle it (at least the puzzle itself is an engaging Rubik's cube), but without that mental wherewithal, and without some Big Story in which you "know your place," life for most people is just a bundle of anxiety. ...

And that's religion at its best. I'm not saying that atheists can't do that too, but believing in something (again, even if you're only LARP-ing it) I think somehow integrates the mind, makes the human being feel at home in the universe, happy.
I think this is bang-on. We're a social animal & likely predisposed to adopt belief systems that reinforce group behavior & a satisfying position within the group. A religion that idealized a fierce individuality probably wouldn't gain traction.

I think ideas have an innate emotive resonance, independent of their intellectual content. A bit like music. The catchiness is somewhat independent of any truth contained in the ideas. Our psychology is going to intuitively gravitate toward conclusions that let us participate in the group project.

On a personal note, I don't have the ability to LARP it despite recognizing the need. I don't have the ability to do that "willing suspension of disbelief" thing & it really sucks. I feel like I'm on the outside looking in on the process & I think our species that will misfire badly if it becomes too aware of it's myths.
Don't think you should be too concerned about that "suspension of disbelief" - for one thing, I expect you read fiction or watch movies such as the Indiana Jones series, all of which call for some degree of that. It's probably a common and useful mental tool of sorts, although too much of it - as in many religions - can be "problematic".

But I think it moot about the consequences of society becoming "too aware of its myths". Maybe somewhat analogous to crutches, kicking them out from under people may be a shock that many are incapable of handling. But an evolution, a progression from a belief in their literal "truth" to an appreciation of their metaphorical truth seems sustainable and of some value. As with many things, Dawkins has some relevant and cogent observations:
.... But the main reason the English Bible needs to be part of our education is that it is a major source book for literary culture. The same applies to the legends of the Greek and Roman gods, and we learn about them without being asked to believe in them. ....

Let me not labour the point. I have probably said enough to convince at least my older readers that an atheistic world-view provides no justification for cutting the Bible, and other sacred books, out of our education. And of course we can retain a sentimental loyalty to the cultural and literary traditions of, say, Judaism, Anglicanism or Islam [??], and even participate in religious rituals such as marriages and funerals, without buying into the supernatural beliefs that historically went along with those traditions. We can give up belief in God while not losing touch with a treasured heritage. [The God Delusion; pgs 383, 387]
Though, of course, far too many are still unable to "give up belief in God" [at least the anthropomorphic variety] despite the "cognitive dissonance" that entails. Case in point being the recent story of the Catholic Church stipulating their communion wafers can't be gluten-free - guess they did an exhaustive study with thousands of petri dishes with gluten-filled and gluten-free wafers and found that Jesus didn't grow on any of the latter ....

In any case, a somewhat amusing and relevant perspective on cognitive dissonance from Maggie McNeill [The Honest Courtesan]:
I often struggle to comprehend the incredible ability of the modern mind to not only reconcile cognitive dissonance, but to apparently function without even being aware of its existence. Last week we had to endure the false “controversy” over Disney’s announcement that it was making changes in the animatronic figures featured in the 1960s-era Pirates of the Caribbean ride. ....
And, relative to gurugeorge's "nothing to believe", and "at home in the universe", something from a book that echoes the same theme and phrase, Stuart Kauffman's popularization and discussion of self-organization titled "At Home in the Universe: The Search for the Laws of Self-Organization and Complexity" (highly recommended):
…. I recently met N. Scott Momaday, a Native American author, winner of the Pulitzer Prize, at a small meeting in northern New Mexico intended to try to articulate the fundamental issues facing humanity. (As if a small group of thinkers could possibly succeed.) Momaday told us that the central issue we confront is to reinvent the sacred. ….

…. But, as I hope to show, the very laws of complexity my colleagues and I are seeking suggest that democracy has evolved as perhaps the optimal mechanism to achieve the best attainable compromises among conflicting practical, political, and moral interests. Momaday must be right as well. We shall also need to reinvent the sacred – this sense of our own deep worth – and reinvest it at the core of the new civilization. [pgs 4, 5]

No doubt there is some poisonous chaff in many religions, some more so than others, but it seems hard to deny that some at least encompass some "wheat" that is of a profound and enduring nature, and that is worth retaining and amplifying. Unwise at best to be throwing the baby out with the bathwater. :-)

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Holy shit! Big fire down the beach from me, has burned through the timber up the bluffs from the beach into the forested/ residential area on the top. So far one house gone. Helicopters with water buckets flying over my house and scooping water directly out in front and fire trucks from several municipalities and the local air force base on scene. :o

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free thoughtpolice wrote:Holy shit! Big fire down the beach from me, has burned through the timber up the bluffs from the beach into the forested/ residential area on the top. So far one house gone. Helicopters with water buckets flying over my house and scooping water directly out in front and fire trucks from several municipalities and the local air force base on scene. :o
Pics, or it didn't happen.

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MarcusAu wrote:What photograph?
?? The one linked to in my comment:
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Steersman wrote:
MarcusAu wrote:What photograph?
?? The one linked to in my comment:
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Do you really thing it appropriate to bring that up again?

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Brive1987 wrote:
Steersman wrote:
ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote: Brive1987": I'm in, but a queue's forming.

[.img]https://i2.wp.com/freethoughtblogs.com/ ... .jpg?ssl=1[/img]"

As pointed out originally, there is something beyond creepy about hover-handing your own children.
What seems rather "creepy" is obsessing over something as innocuous as that photograph ...
Bad things happen when no stands on the wall the wall.

[.img]https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/imag ... gMfVNrapgw[/img]
Riiiiight. So we shouldn't allow adults to teach or supervise kindergarten or grade-school children because of the possible problems; we should just let them run free a la Lord of the Flies? ...

Insisting or claiming that some similarities between groups means that all groups will evolve or progress or exhibit the same problems as a few of those groups seems rather remarkably anti-scientific, anti-intellectual, dogmatic, and unskeptical. Seems you kind of have to look underneath the hood for some common causes instead of relying on superficialities - in an phrase, to not judge the book by the cover.

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MarcusAu wrote:
Steersman wrote:
MarcusAu wrote:What photograph?
?? The one linked to in my comment:
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Do you really thing it appropriate to bring that up again?
You think it isn't? You think it tantamount to the most egregious cases of child pornography?

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The fire is about a mile from me (Comox BC) and it is pretty much uninterrupted forest between me and the fire. Plus the wind is intermittently blowing toward here. :shifty:
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Steersman wrote: You think it isn't? You think it tantamount to the most egregious cases of child pornography?
Not really. But you know - it's not something I obsess over.

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rayshul wrote:http://ijr.com/the-declaration/2017/07/ ... eft-islam/

This chick is attractive, black, and anti-Islam...

I really hope stories about her get picked up by the usual suspects...
Interesting - more power to her; may her "tribe" increase; worth linking to in the Islam & Islamist thread.

But nice to see more ex-Muslims speaking out, calling a spade the proverbial shovel. Been thinking of donating to:
Ex-Muslims of North America
We Envision A World Where Every Person Is Free

And will do so when I manage to get my act together - or when I see a particularly egregious case of Muslim terrorism or islamopologism of which there is far too much.

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MarcusAu wrote:...

Not really. But you know - it's not something I obsess over.
:lol:

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Suet Cardigan wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEvQNiQUIAA-_qQ.jpg:large


WHAT THE FUCK EXACTLY DO YOU WANT, YOU FUCKING FREAK?!
To sell a book:

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Found the original.

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MacGruberKnows wrote:This is why atheism is fucked:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEvQNiQUIAA-_qQ.jpg:large
Anyone think anything other than that is one of our 'new atheists'?
This so speaks to peoples everyday concerns.
So is xe trying to explain that xe his a MtF with a bad hack job and desperately needs to go see a doctor, or that xe is a FtM and is just having her regular period.

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shoutinghorse wrote:I've just watched the Rubin/Laci Green video and I must say I was fairly impressed with the lady, if I'm honest I have never really bothered watching any of her videos and only knew who she was through other YouTubers critiques of her. I don't agree with her on a few issues but she most certainly comes across as a smart reasoned and quite a likeable person, what was very interesting is how she says she's never laughed as much since she started engaging with the anti-SJW side.

Who would have guessed? ;)
I think when she was first brought up here at the pit in regards to some of her nuttier stuff, people more or less chalked it up to her being young and a possibility she would grow out of it.

Whereas transwonderkin Milo is going to have a bit rougher of a time just growing out of it if she happens to still be taking hormones.

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ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:Watson launches her typical "all about me" bitchkeig. And gets a lesson in her comments that cheques are the poor persons credit card.
https://preview.ibb.co/bWHa5F/Screen_Sh ... _34_PM.png
Clearly the responder was not paying that close attention to Rebecca in the "used to" times.

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I've Worked with Refugees for Decades. Europe's Afghan Crime Wave Is Mind-Boggling.
Which brings me to a final theory being vented in Austria: that these destructive, crazed young men are being intentionally infiltrated into western Europe to wreak havoc: to take away the freedom and security of women; change patterns of behavior; deepen the rifts between liberals, who continue to defend and find excuses, and a right wing that calls for harsh measures and violent responses; to inflict high costs and aggravation on courts and judicial systems and generally make a mess of things.
Or, another theory is that the "migrants" represent a future voting block for the party that brought them in.

*shrug*

I dunno though. It is the same old story in population genetics where "the invaders did not bring their women with them".

Whatever man. Fuck. (Die Antwoord)

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Becky's new mugfriend is taking her to Disneyland in a couple of weeks .. She's 36 years old and he's taking her to see Mickey Mouse :doh:

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Oh hai guys, I just got woked by an article Vox that will surely blow the minds of all but the most progressive among you... And we all know that the Pit has no progressives.

Apparently, calling people racist is a bad way to engage with them and might even .ake the.more resistent to your message.

Even more amazingly, techniques like establishing a rapport, identifying common ground, and then explaining your perspective has a .uch better chance of changing someone's mind. I am starting to think that certain enclaves of the left might be going about this whole thing the wrong way.

The article's headline is "Research says there are ways to reduce racial bias. Calling people racist isn’t one of them."

It begins:
In 2016, researchers stumbled on a radical tactic for reducing another person’s bigotry: a frank, brief conversation.
The study, authored by David Broockman at Stanford University and Joshua Kalla at the University of California Berkeley, looked at how simple conversations can help combat anti-transgender attitudes. In the research, people canvassed the homes of more than 500 voters in South Florida. The canvassers, who could be trans or not, asked the voters to simply put themselves in the shoes of trans people — to understand their problems — through a 10-minute, nonconfrontational conversation. The hope was that the brief discussion could lead people to reevaluate their biases.

It worked. The trial found not only that voters’ anti-trans attitudes declined but that they remained lower three months later, showing an enduring result. And those voters’ support for laws that protect trans people from discrimination increased, even when they were presented with counterarguments for such laws.
http://archive.is/hHzci

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Billie from Ockham wrote:The correct term for a kung fu school is "kwoon."
You racist son of a bitch.

Damn, I need to go read that Vox article again. This is harder than it looks.

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[youtube][/youtube]

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Oi. PZ Myers.

Fuck off, and go and lick up a dog's turd off a rainy pavement.

Go on. Do it! Fucker.

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It looks like you can tell him yourself.

[youtube][/youtube]

Oh, and spot the asexual activist in this video. It is a choice.

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Really good vidya on women ruling the world

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Cnutella wrote:Oh hai guys, I just got woked by an article Vox that will surely blow the minds of all but the most progressive among you... And we all know that the Pit has no progressives.

Apparently, calling people racist is a bad way to engage with them and might even .ake the.more resistent to your message.

Even more amazingly, techniques like establishing a rapport, identifying common ground, and then explaining your perspective has a .uch better chance of changing someone's mind. I am starting to think that certain enclaves of the left might be going about this whole thing the wrong way.

The article's headline is "Research says there are ways to reduce racial bias. Calling people racist isn’t one of them."

It begins:
In 2016, researchers stumbled on a radical tactic for reducing another person’s bigotry: a frank, brief conversation.
The study, authored by David Broockman at Stanford University and Joshua Kalla at the University of California Berkeley, looked at how simple conversations can help combat anti-transgender attitudes. In the research, people canvassed the homes of more than 500 voters in South Florida. The canvassers, who could be trans or not, asked the voters to simply put themselves in the shoes of trans people — to understand their problems — through a 10-minute, nonconfrontational conversation. The hope was that the brief discussion could lead people to reevaluate their biases.

It worked. The trial found not only that voters’ anti-trans attitudes declined but that they remained lower three months later, showing an enduring result. And those voters’ support for laws that protect trans people from discrimination increased, even when they were presented with counterarguments for such laws.
http://archive.is/hHzci

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I look for this to be roundly ignored or ridiculed by the usual suspects.

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So how did the refusefascism call to arms go for PZ today? Millions in the street breaking their chains of oppression and running Trump out of town?

Pretty much nada, zip. As one guy told PZ on his "What are you waiting for?" call to arms thread: "I don’t have enough confidence in this to go there in the traffic and heat."


Yeah, let's all wait for a cooler day with less traffic to save the world. Give that man his own column!

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CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: I look for this to be roundly ignored or ridiculed by the usual suspects.
I mean the basic characteristics of the SJW and what separates them from the well-meaning social justice activist is that it's all about that righteous anger. Screw better outcomes and actually being effective in spreading your message. Losing just gives you more chances to be angry. And hey, if someone needs any convincing, they don't deserve the opportunity. The only good people are the ones who already agree with me.

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rayshul wrote:

Really good vidya on women ruling the world
Very interesting indeed. I dinosaur, and I look forward to going extinct. But please, let all the other hoomins share my end.

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Cnutella wrote:Oh hai guys, I just got woked by an article Vox that will surely blow the minds of all but the most progressive among you... And we all know that the Pit has no progressives.

Apparently, calling people racist is a bad way to engage with them and might even .ake the.more resistent to your message.

Even more amazingly, techniques like establishing a rapport, identifying common ground, and then explaining your perspective has a .uch better chance of changing someone's mind. I am starting to think that certain enclaves of the left might be going about this whole thing the wrong way.

The article's headline is "Research says there are ways to reduce racial bias. Calling people racist isn’t one of them."

It begins:
In 2016, researchers stumbled on a radical tactic for reducing another person’s bigotry: a frank, brief conversation.
The study, authored by David Broockman at Stanford University and Joshua Kalla at the University of California Berkeley, looked at how simple conversations can help combat anti-transgender attitudes. In the research, people canvassed the homes of more than 500 voters in South Florida. The canvassers, who could be trans or not, asked the voters to simply put themselves in the shoes of trans people — to understand their problems — through a 10-minute, nonconfrontational conversation. The hope was that the brief discussion could lead people to reevaluate their biases.

It worked. The trial found not only that voters’ anti-trans attitudes declined but that they remained lower three months later, showing an enduring result. And those voters’ support for laws that protect trans people from discrimination increased, even when they were presented with counterarguments for such laws.
http://archive.is/hHzci

What.
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Shit.
That's been debunked. The researcher completely fudged the data. The trial never even took place.

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deLurch wrote: Oh, and spot the asexual activist in this video. It is a choice.

[youtube][/youtube]
I don't believe asexuality is an orientation, but rather a phobia.

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Cnutella wrote:
Oh hai guys, I just got woked by an article Vox that will surely blow the minds of all but the most progressive among you... And we all know that the Pit has no progressives.

Apparently, calling people racist is a bad way to engage with them and might even .ake the.more resistent to your message.

Even more amazingly, techniques like establishing a rapport, identifying common ground, and then explaining your perspective has a .uch better chance of changing someone's mind. I am starting to think that certain enclaves of the left might be going about this whole thing the wrong way.

The article's headline is "Research says there are ways to reduce racial bias. Calling people racist isn’t one of them."

It begins:

In 2016, researchers stumbled on a radical tactic for reducing another person’s bigotry: a frank, brief conversation.
The study, authored by David Broockman at Stanford University and Joshua Kalla at the University of California Berkeley, looked at how simple conversations can help combat anti-transgender attitudes. In the research, people canvassed the homes of more than 500 voters in South Florida. The canvassers, who could be trans or not, asked the voters to simply put themselves in the shoes of trans people — to understand their problems — through a 10-minute, nonconfrontational conversation. The hope was that the brief discussion could lead people to reevaluate their biases.

It worked. The trial found not only that voters’ anti-trans attitudes declined but that they remained lower three months later, showing an enduring result. And those voters’ support for laws that protect trans people from discrimination increased, even when they were presented with counterarguments for such laws.
That's been debunked. The researcher completely fudged the data. The trial never even took place.
Wow, that was interesting so I googled the names of the researchers and found this:

fivethirtyeight com/features/how-two-grad-students-uncovered-michael-lacour-fraud-and-a-way-to-change-opinions-on-transgender-rights/
APR. 7, 2016 AT 2:00 PM
How Two Grad Students Uncovered An Apparent Fraud — And A Way To Change Opinions On Transgender Rights

In 2015, two grad students at the University of California, Berkeley set out to study the art of political persuasion. It’s not easy to do this kind of research as it happens (or doesn’t happen) in the real world. Most of the time, when scientists study persuasion, they do it in a lab where the situation can be tightly controlled and the variables accounted for. But David Broockman and Joshua Kalla thought they had an easy solution. Little did they know, that simple fix would lead them to set off a scandal and, eventually, help advance political science.

A UCLA grad student named Michael LaCour and Columbia University political science professor Donald Green had just published some game-changing research showing that straight people who met a real, live gay person and listened to that person’s story could be persuaded to support marriage equality, and that this change of heart could be long lasting. The study was a big deal. The news made The New York Times. It was all over the web. It became the basis for an episode of “This American Life.”

Broockman figured he could save time and effort by just using LaCour and Green’s methodology. He even partnered with the same political organization, the Los Angeles LGBT Center. He studied LaCour’s paper like a Talmudic scholar, seeking insights that would help him set up his own experiments. And that was how David Broockman figured out Michael LaCour likely fabricated his results.

“We weren’t getting a great response rate, and we had no idea why,” Broockman told me. “We figured there must be some magic recruitment approach that the survey vendor had used. So we called up uSamp” — the third-party company LaCour said he used to conduct his surveys — “and we say, ‘Hey, whatever you did for him, can you do that for us?’ And they say, ‘Uuuh, we never did that for him.’”

Instead of Broockman being the student, learning from LaCour’s example, he became LaCour’s accuser. In May 2015, Broockman published a 27-page report that included evidence LaCour had failed to survey participants after they were exposed to the persuasion technique and had, instead, simply made up the results. LaCour has not admitted to this. FiveThirtyEight reached out to him for a comment, but he has not yet offered one.
There's more there how it worked with transgender rights but not abortion, and how without the fraudulent paper, the real work wouldn't have been done.

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Lsuoma wrote:
rayshul wrote:
Really good vidya on women ruling the world
Very interesting indeed. I dinosaur, and I look forward to going extinct. But please, let all the other hoomins share my end.
Book mentioned in the video:
Emotional Design: Why We Love (or Hate) Everyday Things
by Don Norman (Author)

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Lsuoma wrote:
rayshul wrote:

Really good vidya on women ruling the world
Very interesting indeed. I dinosaur, and I look forward to going extinct. But please, let all the other hoomins share my end.
I agree, that was really good. I'm looking forward to browsing his back catalogue. Thanks, rayshul!

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
deLurch wrote: Oh, and spot the asexual activist in this video. It is a choice.

[youtube][/youtube]
I don't believe asexuality is an orientation, but rather a phobia.
This wouldn't look out of place in a Victorian circus freak show. :oops:

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rayshul wrote:

Really good vidya on women ruling the world
I like Colttaine a lot, he's my favourite of the grumpy bastards who've come out of the MGTOW school. I don't agree with him a lot (quite a bit I disagree with in this video), but I really like his way of thinking and delivery.

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Cnutella wrote: Apparently, calling people racist is a bad way to engage with them and might even make them more resistent to your message.

Even more amazingly, techniques like establishing a rapport, identifying common ground, and then explaining your perspective has a much better chance of changing someone's mind. I am starting to think that certain enclaves of the left might be going about this whole thing the wrong way.
Ehmagerd. Who'da thunk it? :think:

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
deLurch wrote: Oh, and spot the asexual activist in this video. It is a choice.

[youtube][/youtube]
I don't believe asexuality is an orientation, but rather a phobia.
Fine line between having a phobia about being in the same bed with a woman and not being able to get into the same bed with a women for reasons other than having a phobia about being in the same bed with a woman.

Maybe the fox would like those grapes. But maybe because the fox is a fat lazy little fucker he can't reach those grapes and just tells us he's a member of the non-grape-eating community. And now he is a member of a discriminated community instead of a fat lazy little fox who can't reach those grapes because he's fat. And lazy.

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Eskarina wrote:
KiwiInOz wrote:
Eskarina wrote: quote="Lsuoma"]FFS: on Question Time on Radio 4, people are saying "the H-word" instead of saying "Hitler".

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:/quote]

Don't mention Hitler!
You started it.
And boy, did I have fun. :D
Pole dancing?

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free thoughtpolice wrote:The fire is about a mile from me (Comox BC) and it is pretty much uninterrupted forest between me and the fire. Plus the wind is intermittently blowing toward here. :shifty:
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Break out the sausages and marshmallows.

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Haha!

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free thoughtpolice wrote:The fire is about a mile from me (Comox BC) and it is pretty much uninterrupted forest between me and the fire. Plus the wind is intermittently blowing toward here. :shifty:
Can't you just piss it out?

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feathers wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:The fire is about a mile from me (Comox BC) and it is pretty much uninterrupted forest between me and the fire. Plus the wind is intermittently blowing toward here. :shifty:
Can't you just piss it out?
Or light the semen-signal to alert Bust-a-nut-man(Phd) - he'll extinguish the blaze with his arcing jets of justice!

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KiwiInOz wrote:
Eskarina wrote:And boy, did I have fun. :D
Pole dancing?
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