In 2017 Idiocracy is a Documentary

[feathers]

My favorite insurance claim happened when a guy driving along Lake Superior had his windshield smashed by a falling salmon. Apparently an osprey was flying across the road when it lost the grip on its meal and dropped it. Osprey fly with large fish in their talons looking a bit like a dive bomber with a torpedo.

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Accident? I think not!

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[John D]

If you've been driving so long that you're hungry, it's time for a break anyway. Seriously.

It really Depends...

Captain Nowak, 43, was wearing a trench coat and wig when she was arrested early Monday morning. She told the police she had worn diapers on the journey so that she would not have to stop to use the restroom so she could arrive in time to meet Captain Shipman’s flight at the airport.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/06/us/06 ... onaut.html

[feathers]

The core of islam is humiliating people and forcing them to waste and effort by praying five times a day, autistically repeating formulas after Mo's name, fasting, etc. The reward that islam gives to muslims is the smug feeling of being better than non-muslims, who are all lazy, depraved and weak idiots who can't keep up with the Superior Muslims. From submitting to god you acquire the strength of pride over other people and their disordered, worthless lives.

You can always try to neatly point out that just about anything in current science and technology comes either from those lazy, depraved idiots or from those who adopted their knowledge.

[Brive1987]

It's a well known fact that uncovered meat is devoured by cats.

An "Aussie" teacher made that very point.

In the religious address on adultery to about 500 worshippers in Sydney last month, Sheik Hilali said: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat?

"The uncovered meat is the problem."

The sheik then said: "If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."

He said women were "weapons" used by "Satan" to control men.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/na ... e532543afd

[John D]

It's a well known fact that uncovered meat is devoured by cats.

An "Aussie" teacher made that very point.

In the religious address on adultery to about 500 worshippers in Sydney last month, Sheik Hilali said: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat?

"The uncovered meat is the problem."

The sheik then said: "If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."

He said women were "weapons" used by "Satan" to control men.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/na ... e532543afd

At least Muslims do not make the mistake of thinking Muslim men are honorable or disciplined.

[DrokkIt]

Useful and funny replies, thanks.

To flesh this out, the position was something like the following:

There are things to oppose in all religions.

Not everyone in a given religion holds to them.

Therefore is it correct to be against X common problem found in religion, and not say "I am against Islam" or claim on faith to be worse than the other.


I understand where that is coming from - the desire to not seem prejudiced. However I wonder if perhaps said imperative leads us to ignore what are clearly problems specific to Islam as it is now, simply in order to feel good about ourselves?

[Kirbmarc]

The core of islam is humiliating people and forcing them to waste and effort by praying five times a day, autistically repeating formulas after Mo's name, fasting, etc. The reward that islam gives to muslims is the smug feeling of being better than non-muslims, who are all lazy, depraved and weak idiots who can't keep up with the Superior Muslims. From submitting to god you acquire the strength of pride over other people and their disordered, worthless lives.

You can always try to neatly point out that just about anything in current science and technology comes either from those lazy, depraved idiots or from those who adopted their knowledge.

That's why muslim apologists are so keen on celebrating the so-called "muslim golden age", even when it comes to people who weren't really that pious, like the alcohol-drinking, likely agnostic or atheist Omar Khayyam. Muslim apologists say that the Evil West stole muslim technology (like the Arab numerals, or algebra) and perfidiously undermined the super-advanced, super-fantastic Ottoman Empire with the help of the (of course!) Ze Jewz.

In muslim communities, especially in those where there are Salafi preachers, there are countless conspiracy theories about how Ze Jewz control the weak, corrupt, emasculated west and seek out to undermine and ultimately exterminate the muslims. The solution is to be more pious and avoid the Jewish temptations which will only make muslims weak and make Allah unhappy with their lack of piety.

In a certain sense the western conspiracy theories about the Globalist Conspiracy to emasculate the west due to the influence of Ze Jewz are very similar to the muslim ones. White supremacists are often allies of the muslim supremacists, like in Iran, when they can gang up on Ze Jewz.

Blaming someone else for your shortcomings is a very attractive thought. And Ze Jewz are the perfect scapegoats, what with their tribalism, arrogance about being the Chosen People and in-group morality/out-group hostility. The fact that there are a lot of Jews in business, science and politics lends credibility to those conspiracy theories. And if someone is seen negatively you can always invent a conspiracy theory about them being a secret Jew.

In reality all the conspiracy theories about big, sprawling plans crafted by a secretive and nearly omnipotent cabal are idiotic. What's actually true is cronyism, corporate politics, pressure groups of likeminded people who are often friends and relatives as well, and who have different agendas, some of which clash with each other.

Muslim countries have many issues because of massively widespread corruption, nepotism, cronyism, tribalism at all levels, along with lower levels of literacy, uncontrolled demographic growth, cousin marriage, political instability due to religious issues and lack of modernization, along with a strictly pyramidal social structure. The "west", while flawed, has less of those problems, due to long social, political and economical processes which have modernized its structures and institutions.

The biggest structural and internal problem of 21st century liberal democracies is the lack of effective limits to the power of corporations, who can buy politicians through lobbies, avoid paying their taxes thanks to friendly tax codes and safe havens, and in general influence policies in ways that benefit their interests over those of larger social groups. Countries which aren't liberal democracies simply substitute different squabbling corporate groups with squabbling groups of powerful individuals who have incredibly few limits to their actions.

There are of course other issues like mass migrations and the risks they create, especially if they're not managed well, and cultural processes both in the long and short term.

Ze Big Jewizh Global Capitalizt Conzpirazy is a simplistic scheme that is appealing to everybody: frustrated working-class westerners who see their welfare state shrinking and their jobs going away to some places where the cost of labor is cheap and there is no welfare and so less taxes just like frustrated muslims who see their countries either being locked in a stasis under ruthless dictators and their cronies and/or collapsing into an anarchy of militias and warlords.

[Kirbmarc]

SJWs don't blame Ze Jewz but blame Ze Patriarky, which is basically White Cis Het Males as the New Jews.

[Kirbmarc]

It's a well known fact that uncovered meat is devoured by cats.

An "Aussie" teacher made that very point.

In the religious address on adultery to about 500 worshippers in Sydney last month, Sheik Hilali said: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat?

"The uncovered meat is the problem."

The sheik then said: "If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."

He said women were "weapons" used by "Satan" to control men.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/na ... e532543afd

Feminists take notice: THIS is what real rape apology and victim blaming looks like. You could even say that this is a "rape culture".

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

I understand where that is coming from - the desire to not seem prejudiced. However I wonder if perhaps said imperative leads us to ignore what are clearly problems specific to Islam as it is now, simply in order to feel good about ourselves?

When it comes to being prejudiced against islam, it's something I will advertise to its full extent, SJWs and appeasers be damned. It makes me feel good about myself.

[Barbie's Boyfriend]

The typical pious muslim man wants his own wives and daughters veiled and sheltered from other people (in the case of his daughters until he finds them a suitable husband) but is fine with looking at other people's wives and daughters while they're not wearing a veil, unless of course the religious police or their husbands and fathers are around, or it's time to show their virtue. If they live in the "west" muslim men are like kids in candy store, and they can feel smugly superior to all those western idiots who allow their own wives and daughters to go around expose to other men. They can also feel envious and resentful of western men who have wives and girlfriends if they're single, and chalk it up to western women being "whores".

The typical pious muslim woman wants to show how much pious she is by wearing a veil, and is happy to keep other women veiled, especially if they're more attractive and young. She also wants to keep her daughters safe and ready for a suitable husband. If they live in the "west" muslim women are resentful and in part envious of western women, so many overcompensate by acting outraged at the "western whores", and of course aren't too happy that their husbands are exposed to so many temptations.

Ultimately muslim sexual morals make people bitter, miserable, petty, smug, entitled and resentful.

One of the funniest things I've seen in the past few years was three women in burkas exiting a Victoria's Secret store, bags in tow

THE funniest thing was watching two women in burkas attempting to eat pizza

[MarcusAu]

Useful and funny replies, thanks.

To flesh this out, the position was something like the following:

There are things to oppose in all religions.

Not everyone in a given religion holds to them.

Therefore is it correct to be against X common problem found in religion, and not say "I am against Islam" or claim on faith to be worse than the other.


I understand where that is coming from - the desire to not seem prejudiced. However I wonder if perhaps said imperative leads us to ignore what are clearly problems specific to Islam as it is now, simply in order to feel good about ourselves?

Well you could just say that you are an atheist - and have as much interest in discussing islam as she would have in getting a lecture from Pat Robertson on the fundamentals of xtianity.

But I suspect there would still be hurt feelings and snarky comments.

[John D]

Useful and funny replies, thanks.

To flesh this out, the position was something like the following:

There are things to oppose in all religions.

Not everyone in a given religion holds to them.

Therefore is it correct to be against X common problem found in religion, and not say "I am against Islam" or claim on faith to be worse than the other.


I understand where that is coming from - the desire to not seem prejudiced. However I wonder if perhaps said imperative leads us to ignore what are clearly problems specific to Islam as it is now, simply in order to feel good about ourselves?

Well you could just say that you are an atheist - and have as much interest in discussing islam as she would have in getting a lecture from Pat Robertson on the fundamentals of xtianity.

But I suspect there would still be hurt feelings and snarky comments.

Most of this makes sense if you keep in mind that the left thinks that men act and women are acted upon. So, the only way to criticize Islam is to criticize Muslim men. The only way to criticize Christianity is to claim it is a Patriarchy.... etc.

So... it makes perfect sense to leftist woman that a woman in a hijab can be the symbol of the Women's March.

It is really all about women telling men exactly what the men need to do.

[MarcusAu]

It makes a nice simple narrative for them to push - but there are plenty of women who find a niche for themselves in the ecosystem of religious institutions.

But I went to a catholic primary schools with corporal punishment and nuns (which was not as sexy as it sounds) - so it's difficult to buy into the Men = Evil (or misguided) and Women = Good stereotypes.

(Not that you were saying that).

[Kirbmarc]

Useful and funny replies, thanks.

To flesh this out, the position was something like the following:

There are things to oppose in all religions.

Not everyone in a given religion holds to them.

Therefore is it correct to be against X common problem found in religion, and not say "I am against Islam" or claim on faith to be worse than the other.


I understand where that is coming from - the desire to not seem prejudiced. However I wonder if perhaps said imperative leads us to ignore what are clearly problems specific to Islam as it is now, simply in order to feel good about ourselves?

Islam has a precise series of sources: mainly the Qu'ran and the ahadit, plus a lot of ancillary books, traditions, legal precedents, legislation, etc. The structural problems within islam are due to those sources and sadly those sources are full to the brim with issues. A creative interpretation of those sources, along with a good helping of non-literal approach, could eventually amend them so that they'd lead to less issues, but this takes time and effort and can easily be undermined by the fact that the sources themselves strictly prohibit any form of innovation, creative interpretation, or lack of literalism.

Lots of muslims aren't following the laws of islam, but this doesn't mean that those laws don't exist. The Qu'ran DOES tell you not to make friends with non-muslims and that women can be beaten up if they're being "uppity", along with saying that slavery and "slave girls" are A-OK, that non-muslims need to submit to islam or else, that apostates need to be killed, etc etc.. The ahadith ARE choke full of justifications for slavery, sexual slavery, rape, pillaging the towns of your enemies, and doing anything to make islam rule the world. Islamic legislation DOES prescribe capital punishment for adultery, whipping "immodest" women, cutting off the hands of thieves, executing apostates and "heretics", etc. etc. Muslim traditions DO allow and even promote honor killing, the imposition of veils, female genital mutilation, child marriage, capital punishment for sodomy, etc. etc.

Denying those facts by insisting that your nice muslim friend or that one gay imam exist, so it's "not all muslims", is counterproductive.

What is the difference with "not all men"? Easy: there is no Religion of Men which condones rape, sexual assault, stalking, sexual harassment or considering women as inferior. Indeed all those things are seen negatively by most men, at least in the "western" countries. Are there men who engage in those behaviors? Of course. Are there others who argue that those behaviors aren't that bad? Yes. But there's no specific source, no written and taught justification for those behaviors.

Indeed that's why feminists need to invent Patriarchy, to redefine the meaning of words or invent new one (staring at someone is "stare-rape", awkward advances are "sexual harassment", disagreeing with this is "mansplaining") to bolster their claim that there's something wrong with men as a group that needs fixing.

Unlike Patriarchy, which is everywhere and nowhere, islam is a precise religion with some specific holy books and traditions. The vagueness of Patriarchy leads to omni-comprehensive, non-falsifiable assumptions (for example saying "men and women" is misogyny because "men" is before "women", but saying "ladies and gentlemen" is also misogyny because "ladies" is before "gentlemen") while the preciseness of islam leads to precise criticism.

Not to mention that many of the few more or less precise conclusions of Patriarchy Theory are blatantly inaccurate. "Men are taught to rape and/or in general be misogynists by video games" doesn't match the available evidence at all. On the other hand, arguing that "islam permits sexual slavery, and the consent of sex slaves isn't considered, which is what might inspire some muslim men to see non-muslim women as potential targets of their sexual frustrations" matches the available evidence.

THIS is why having a precise, falsifiable theory and not one based on "postmodern deconstruction" matters. Post-modernism is a tool for arguing everything you want regardless of evidence or logic. In a post-modern epistemology there's no external truth to evaluate which statements are accurate and which aren't, everything is just a narrative, and what matters is only supporting your narrative no matter what, even if it leads to conclusions which don't match available evidence or make logical sense.

[Kirbmarc]

It makes a nice simple narrative for them to push - but there are plenty of women who find a niche for themselves in the ecosystem of religious institutions.

But I went to a catholic primary schools with corporal punishment and nuns (which was not as sexy as it sounds) - so it's difficult to buy into the Men = Evil (or misguided) and Women = Good stereotypes.

(Not that you were saying that).

Some muslim women plainly want utter control over the sexual expression other women, especially if they're younger and more attractive than them. Also many "good muslim women" are delighted by the idea their veils make them superior to the immoral "sluts", and are more than willing to show their superiority by having their men punish the "sluts".

This has some similarity with sex-negative feminists who wish to punish women who don't follow their standards as "sister punishers".

[MarcusAu]

Even if islam was a fundamentally benign set of beliefs - there would still need to be people to keep an eye on the all-too-human adherents who act in 'bad faith' and would like to put themselves beyond criticism. cf The catholic church and other institutions.

[Kirbmarc]

One of the funniest things I've seen in the past few years was three women in burkas exiting a Victoria's Secret store, bags in tow

Women in islam are allowed to show off among other women. In Saudi Arabia plenty of women who can afford it buy "revealing" beautiful dresses, in order to wear them when they're only around other women. This is so widespread that plenty of international chains of women clothes have opened up stores in Riyadh, and the religious police had to ask them to censor their ads showing attractive women.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Greta has a post up examining how to function in a Nazi state.

If we’re going to have the strength to resist, we have to live our lives. We have to have some sort of routine: eating meals, going to work, playing games, paying bills. We have to put one foot in front of the other.

Folding resistance into our everyday lives lets us have “normal” lives in a fascist regime, without letting fascism become normal.

Oh ferchrissake, these wallflowered wankers have never even been arrested by the secret police, let alone been beaten up, let alone been tied to a rack with 200V through their genitals. Let alone been shipped off in a train.

Greta you pathetic little baby. You whine on your blog about suffering under fascism. I've had political conversations whispered while the stereo was cranked up.

[Lsuoma]

Trump bans trannies from US military:

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[Kirbmarc]

Even if islam was a fundamentally benign set of beliefs - there would still need to be people to keep an eye on the all-too-human adherents who act in 'bad faith' and would like to put themselves beyond criticism. cf The catholic church and other institutions.

I don't believe that the Catholic Church is a benign set of beliefs. The focus on guilt for thoughtcrimes among Catholics is pathological, and until not too long ago Catholics were just as smug about being Catholics and not evil "heterics" as muslims are today. Also a lot of Catholic sexual morals are repressive, and the Catholic Church has killed/tortuted its share of heretics.

Luckily for the world the Catholic Church modernized itself (especially after the Second Vatican Council), and today Catholics are often "cafeteria Catholics" who know little of the precise laws of their religion and just like to go to church and contribute to charities. There's still some stuff within Catholicism, but it's no longer as pervasive as it was in the past.

Islam, on the other hand, by and large hasn't modernized. The Salafi/Deobandi/Twelver Shia Regressive tide is rising instead.

[MarcusAu]

I was not trying to give any religious institution a free pass. (Just the opposite really).

I guess the questions to ask are: Should Microsoft (or any company) have a harassment policy? Who gets to investigate the claims? At what point do outside parties get to comment on their private internal matters?

[jet_lagg]

I see you've found a new sparring partner, Steersman.

First, you want to impose a radically narrow private definition of male and female based solely on operative gametes. This definition is so narrow that you would actually hold that post-menopausal women are not female.

Go away before you make an even bigger fool of yourself,

Please don't. I'm enjoying things.

[Suet Cardigan]

One of the funniest things I've seen in the past few years was three women in burkas exiting a Victoria's Secret store, bags in tow

Women in islam are allowed to show off among other women. In Saudi Arabia plenty of women who can afford it buy "revealing" beautiful dresses, in order to wear them when they're only around other women. This is so widespread that plenty of international chains of women clothes have opened up stores in Riyadh, and the religious police had to ask them to censor their ads showing attractive women.

Sounds familiar:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/ ... st-adverts

http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/ar ... XikxdPys8w

I guess it's only a matter of time before we have our own equivalent of the Mutaween patrolling British streets.

[Kirbmarc]

One of the funniest things I've seen in the past few years was three women in burkas exiting a Victoria's Secret store, bags in tow

Women in islam are allowed to show off among other women. In Saudi Arabia plenty of women who can afford it buy "revealing" beautiful dresses, in order to wear them when they're only around other women. This is so widespread that plenty of international chains of women clothes have opened up stores in Riyadh, and the religious police had to ask them to censor their ads showing attractive women.

Sounds familiar:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/ ... st-adverts

http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/ar ... XikxdPys8w

I guess it's only a matter of time before we have our own equivalent of the Mutaween patrolling British streets.

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[Tigzy]

Useful and funny replies, thanks.

To flesh this out, the position was something like the following:

There are things to oppose in all religions.

Not everyone in a given religion holds to them.

Therefore is it correct to be against X common problem found in religion, and not say "I am against Islam" or claim on faith to be worse than the other.


I understand where that is coming from - the desire to not seem prejudiced. However I wonder if perhaps said imperative leads us to ignore what are clearly problems specific to Islam as it is now, simply in order to feel good about ourselves?

Hmmm. Maybe try throwing something like this at her:

There are things to oppose in all political ideologies.

Not everyone who claims to support a political ideology holds to them.

Therefore is it correct to be against X common problem found in a political ideology, and not say "I am against fascism" or claim one political ideology to be worse than the other.

[Service Dog]

Science.

http://jezebel.com/introducing-the-pseu ... 1714981846

Biology. Feelnism. Penis.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

It's a well known fact that uncovered meat is devoured by cats.

An "Aussie" teacher made that very point.

In the religious address on adultery to about 500 worshippers in Sydney last month, Sheik Hilali said: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat?

"The uncovered meat is the problem."

The sheik then said: "If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."

He said women were "weapons" used by "Satan" to control men.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/na ... e532543afd

What these sexually repressed imans really need is some transcocks shoved up their asses.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Sophia 'Drone Strikes Destroyed the Islamic Renaissance of the 14th Century' Sadek: Genetics perpetuates the economic oppression of medieval feudalism:

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/frie ... 3436578274

[Barbie's Boyfriend]

Science.

http://jezebel.com/introducing-the-pseu ... 1714981846

Biology. Feelnism. Penis.

Thousands of Snowflakes about to identify as Hyenas in 3...2...1...

[Matt Cavanaugh]

One of the funniest things I've seen in the past few years was three women in burkas exiting a Victoria's Secret store, bags in tow

THE funniest thing was watching two women in burkas attempting to eat pizza

OTOH, I imagine a burka might facilitate certain illicit activities.

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[Barbie's Boyfriend]

One of the funniest things I've seen in the past few years was three women in burkas exiting a Victoria's Secret store, bags in tow

THE funniest thing was watching two women in burkas attempting to eat pizza

OTOH, I imagine a burka might facilitate certain illicit activities.

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Hid with the Raftsman ?

Grandfather of Steersman ???

[Kirbmarc]

Sophia 'Drone Strikes Destroyed the Islamic Renaissance of the 14th Century' Sadek: Genetics perpetuates the economic oppression of medieval feudalism:

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/frie ... 3436578274

So Dawkins is a Nazi because he's argued that behavior is determined at least in part by genes? I didn't know the entire field of human behavioral genetics had already been declared part of the growing process of Making Nazism Great Again (along with basically anyone who's not a fervent SocJus believer).

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Science.

http://jezebel.com/introducing-the-pseu ... 1714981846

Biology. Feelnism. Penis.

... personally, I like to think their success is largely due to the subjugation of males, but [science actually provides another explanation].

I read at least 60 scientific articles about hyenas, lemurs, vivverids, and more. But still, I’m no closer to knowing the answer than I was when I started.

That's because you keep rejecting answers you don't like:

In a 2008 Smithsonian piece, Holekamp postulated that this premium food access might hold the key to the evolutionary mystery of the pseudopenis. [Description of field study providing compelling, quantified evidence follows.]
[....]
But even if feeding cubs was the driving force behind the evolution of female dominance and aggression, the pseudopenis is still an outlier—and unfortunately, one that remains a complete mystery.

Ah well, what'd you expect?

Kaitlyn Tierney (@krtierney) is a former librarian for the San Diego Zoo. She’s now a London-based writer-for-hire.

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[Sunder]

Trump bans trannies from US military:

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

In a world that made sense this would be a non-issue. What trans people are chomping at the bit to work for Donald Trump and promote American imperialism?

[Kirbmarc]

Trump bans trannies from US military:

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

In a world that made sense this would be a non-issue. What trans people are chomping at the bit to work for Donald Trump and promote American imperialism?

I think it's more of a matter of finding a job in general, especially in areas which lack jobs. I doubt most of the trans people who work in the US military are frontline personnel. Anyway this is a legitimately discriminatory ban, even more so than the "muslim ban", so it could (and probably will) be challenged before the Supreme Court.

[free thoughtpolice]

SO over the weekend I stayed with a friend who's new girlfriend is a bit of a feminist.

I've learnt enough to basically not engage, however at one point she was harping on about how "Islam is inherently more feminist than other religions".

Now obviously my instinct says this is bullshit, however what does everyone else think?

Maybe Kirb might have some insight...

Read and believe.

http://www.lma.org.au/wp-content/upload ... lam_AW.pdf

For
the first time women were given the right to have a
share in inheritance and own their own property.

Odd how this claim is made so often. Before Mo dreamed up Islam, he was a nobody that met a rich widow called Khadija that had her own business who hired him to work for her and subsequently married him, and in fact it was she that proposed to him. This is well documented in islamic texts and I would think pretty much every muslim knows this.
Still that claim is frequently made.

[Sunder]

Trump bans trannies from US military:

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

In a world that made sense this would be a non-issue. What trans people are chomping at the bit to work for Donald Trump and promote American imperialism?

I think it's more of a matter of finding a job in general, especially in areas which lack jobs. I doubt most of the trans people who work in the US military are frontline personnel. Anyway this is a legitimately discriminatory ban, even more so than the "muslim ban", so it could (and probably will) be challenged before the Supreme Court.

I'm poking a bit of fun at hard lefties (which trans people seem to be overrepresented by) who often despise the military.

And yes, it's a stupid ruling. But probably timed to take eyeballs away from the ongoing Senate healthcare vote.

[feathers]

I understand where that is coming from - the desire to not seem prejudiced. However I wonder if perhaps said imperative leads us to ignore what are clearly problems specific to Islam as it is now, simply in order to feel good about ourselves?

When it comes to being prejudiced against islam, it's something I will advertise to its full extent, SJWs and appeasers be damned. It makes me feel good about myself.

Something is only a prejudice as long as it hasn't borne out in reality. But the muslims have delivered.

[Kirbmarc]

SO over the weekend I stayed with a friend who's new girlfriend is a bit of a feminist.

I've learnt enough to basically not engage, however at one point she was harping on about how "Islam is inherently more feminist than other religions".

Now obviously my instinct says this is bullshit, however what does everyone else think?

Maybe Kirb might have some insight...

Read and believe.

http://www.lma.org.au/wp-content/upload ... lam_AW.pdf

For
the first time women were given the right to have a
share in inheritance and own their own property.

Odd how this claim is made so often. Before Mo dreamed up Islam, he was a nobody that met a rich widow called Khadija that had her own business who hired him to work for her and subsequently married him, and in fact it was she that proposed to him. This is well documented in islamic texts and I would think pretty much every muslim knows this.
Still that claim is frequently made.

The claim is bullshit of course. Already in the time of the Old Testament women had property and inherited property (even if their rights were limited). In the time of Ancient Egypt women had the right to inherit whatever was bequeathed to them.

Islam was actually a step BACK when compared to Ancient Egypt and even when compared to Mosaic law. In Islam, according to the Qu'ran, women inherit only HALF of what men inherit from their parents, and if there are daughters they only inherit PART of their parents' wealth:

Allah instructs you concerning your children: for the male, what is equal to the share of two females. But if there are [only] daughters, two or more, for them is two thirds of one's estate. And if there is only one, for her is half.

As for Khadija you're perfectly right, it is well known that she was an incredibly rich merchant and she had inherited a lot of money from her dead husband. Hell, she HIRED Mohammed as an employee for her merchant company before she married him.

Most of what is written about islam by muslim preachers in the "west" is bullshit to be fed to ignorant and gullible kaffirs anyway. Most Orientalists and Arabists who helped to popularize the concept that Mohammed was a step FORWARD in terms of women's rights are islamophiles who based their interpretations of islam on the commentaries of muslim scholars who were interested in making Mo appealing to the kuffar.

[free thoughtpolice]

If you've been driving so long that you're hungry, it's time for a break anyway. Seriously.

That reminds me of peoples stories on insurance claims - the classic being:

"I had been driving for over 30 years, when I fell asleep at the wheel"

I think there was a book of these published at some point - but I forget the title. I did find a Daily Mail article though:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... abies.html

It's a warning to all to beware of badgers, babies and snails (amoungst other things).

My favorite insurance claim happened when a guy driving along Lake Superior had his windshield smashed by a falling salmon. Apparently an osprey was flying across the road when it lost the grip on its meal and dropped it. Osprey fly with large fish in their talons looking a bit like a dive bomber with a torpedo.

download.jpg

Osprey can't carry a fish much larger than 3 0r 4 lb. compared to an eagle that can fly off with more than twice that weight and also fight with each other to drop their food. I've had them drop food on my roof, my driveway, and the road in front of my house.
Certainly in my neck of the woods an eagle would be a more likely culprit for windshield breaking.

[MarcusAu]

The claim is bullshit of course. Already in the time of the Old Testament women had property and inherited property (even if their rights were limited). In the time of Ancient Egypt women had the right to inherit whatever was bequeathed to them.

Islam was actually a step BACK when compared to Ancient Egypt and even when compared to Mosaic law. In Islam, according to the Qu'ran, women inherit only HALF of what men inherit from their parents, and if there are daughters they only inherit PART of their parents' wealth:

Allah instructs you concerning your children: for the male, what is equal to the share of two females. But if there are [only] daughters, two or more, for them is two thirds of one's estate. And if there is only one, for her is half.

As for Khadija you're perfectly right, it is well known that she was an incredibly rich merchant and she had inherited a lot of money from her dead husband. Hell, she HIRED Mohammed as an employee for her merchant company before she married him.

Most of what is written about islam by muslim preachers in the "west" is bullshit to be fed to ignorant and gullible kaffirs anyway. Most Orientalists and Arabists who helped to popularize the concept that Mohammed was a step FORWARD in terms of women's rights are islamophiles who based their interpretations of islam on the commentaries of muslim scholars who were interested in making Mo appealing to the kuffar.

Weren't some of the people in Old Testament / Tora retroactive muslims?

[ThreeFlangedJavis]

Useful and funny replies, thanks.

To flesh this out, the position was something like the following:

There are things to oppose in all religions.

Not everyone in a given religion holds to them.

Therefore is it correct to be against X common problem found in religion, and not say "I am against Islam" or claim on faith to be worse than the other.


I understand where that is coming from - the desire to not seem prejudiced. However I wonder if perhaps said imperative leads us to ignore what are clearly problems specific to Islam as it is now, simply in order to feel good about ourselves?

There is a wide range of ideas held by adherents of different religions. Ideas matter, because they can be powerful motivators. To the people who think that the evil done in the name of religion is done by evil people using archaic beliefs as cover, the example of cults like Scientology shows otherwise. A lot of very well-meaning Scientologists do morally repugnant things. They do it because they truly believe that they are the world's only hope of spiritual freedom. Given what they believe, it would be seem immoral to them not to do what they do. The dangers posed by religions are directly related to the ideas contained therein and the degree to which they are believed. Islam is uniquely dangerous (amongst major religions) because it contains exhortations to violence and bigotry and strong systems to enforce adherence. Christianity has been neutralised to a large extent because it happened to have within it an individualist philosophy which fostered the development of tools to undermine religion. It also helps that a lot of the horrors of the Old Testament are all about Dog ordering contemporary folks to commit genocide or about Dog doing shitty things himself, not about ordering mankind to imitate him for all time.

The problem with the position you laid out is not that there are negatives specific to Islam, but that the negatives specific to Islam are dangerous and antithetical to integration into secular Western democracies. Call me paranoid, but I think that Europe is on a knife edge. Things can go 2 ways. Muslims can either be seduced by Western values or they can preserve their own value system and sytematically outsprog the locals. Doubtless both things are happening. Which way is the net effect going though? It is quite possible that the secular Western democracy as we know it is on borrowed time. If the West can't even stand up for it's own values then I can't see immigrants adopting them.

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

It's not because he defrauded a credit union, it's Islamaphobia!

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

It's not because he defrauded a credit union, it's Islamaphobia!
With link
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congres ... ry-n786651

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Trump bans trannies from US military:

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

The military should recruit an all-transwoman special ops unit that can parachute into enemy territory, sneak up on enemy commanders, then rub their transcocks and transballs all over the enemy's faces until they surrender.

[jet_lagg]

With the push for the VA to cover SRS and HRT a blanket ban on transgenders seems reasonable. It's a mental disorder with a disruptive and expensive treatment plan. The military disqualifies people for less.

[Tigzy]

Trump bans trannies from US military:

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

The military should recruit an all-transwoman special ops unit that can parachute into enemy territory, sneak up on enemy commanders, then rub their transcocks and transballs all over the enemy's faces until they surrender.

Good idea. No-one will expect a trannish insert mission.

[free thoughtpolice]

Trump bans trannies from US military:

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

The military should recruit an all-transwoman special ops unit that can parachute into enemy territory, sneak up on enemy commanders, then rub their transcocks and transballs all over the enemy's faces until they surrender.

If they do an American Sniper remake with Riley Dennis over in Syria taking names and kicking? ass it would certainly outgross the original. :drool:

[Eskarina]

Trump bans trannies from US military:

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

The military should recruit an all-transwoman special ops unit that can parachute into enemy territory, sneak up on enemy commanders, then rub their transcocks and transballs all over the enemy's faces until they surrender.

They will do a far better job than ISIS.

http://i.imgur.com/Diel7Q8.jpg

[Kirbmarc]

The claim is bullshit of course. Already in the time of the Old Testament women had property and inherited property (even if their rights were limited). In the time of Ancient Egypt women had the right to inherit whatever was bequeathed to them.

Islam was actually a step BACK when compared to Ancient Egypt and even when compared to Mosaic law. In Islam, according to the Qu'ran, women inherit only HALF of what men inherit from their parents, and if there are daughters they only inherit PART of their parents' wealth:

Allah instructs you concerning your children: for the male, what is equal to the share of two females. But if there are [only] daughters, two or more, for them is two thirds of one's estate. And if there is only one, for her is half.

As for Khadija you're perfectly right, it is well known that she was an incredibly rich merchant and she had inherited a lot of money from her dead husband. Hell, she HIRED Mohammed as an employee for her merchant company before she married him.

Most of what is written about islam by muslim preachers in the "west" is bullshit to be fed to ignorant and gullible kaffirs anyway. Most Orientalists and Arabists who helped to popularize the concept that Mohammed was a step FORWARD in terms of women's rights are islamophiles who based their interpretations of islam on the commentaries of muslim scholars who were interested in making Mo appealing to the kuffar.

Weren't some of the people in Old Testament / Tora retroactive muslims?

Everyone is a muslim according to islam. You're born muslim, i.e. submitted to Allah's authority. You don't "convert" to islam, you "come back" to islam, because that's the Natural State of Humans. It's the non-muslims who are unnaturally rebelling against Allah.

Incidentally all "people of the book" (Jews and Christians) are already on their way back towards islam, but still behind the true submission to god. That's why if they submit to muslim rule you can tolerate them: they're "slow learners" who can still hope, one day, to return to the right path. The "pagans", on the other hand, are supposed to swim ("return" to islam) or sink (be killed off).

[Kirbmarc]

It's not because he defrauded a credit union, it's Islamaphobia!
With link
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congres ... ry-n786651

If we lived under Sharia there'd be no loans and this whole unfortunate accident wouldn't have happened /Sarsour.

[feathers]

Trump bans trannies from US military:

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

The military should recruit an all-transwoman special ops unit that can parachute into enemy territory, sneak up on enemy commanders, then rub their transcocks and transballs all over the enemy's faces until they surrender.

Good idea. No-one will expect a trannish insert mission.

I'm afraid you already have a Pit Art Master decoration, Tigz.

[Really?]

Science.

http://jezebel.com/introducing-the-pseu ... 1714981846

Biology. Feelnism. Penis.

Thousands of Snowflakes about to identify as Hyenas in 3...2...1...

Wow. Your shocking erasure and ignorance of the existence of the hyenakin community is repulsive.

https://www.tumblr.com/tagged/hyenakin

Q:

anonymous
Maybe some self-care tips for hyena kin?

A:

I will try to. c:

-Here are some recipes in case you ever want to prepare yourself some meals or treats themed for your kintype. If you like gnawing on bones, this link mentions some good food replacements for actual bones. Rock candy is definitely a good substitute for gnawing on. (I was eating some last night and had the thought and saw it echoed in that link.)

- As per always, plushes or blankets (something soft that you can hug) are good ideas. Here’s a nice and relatively cheap (and accurate looking) hyena plush toy.

- I know spotted hyenas have communal dens. I recommend perhaps making your room, or a spot in your room, into a den-like area and populate it with things that comfort you, especially stuffed toys if you have any. Even if you can’t populate it, a den-like area to curl up in and go to when you’re stressed and need to relax is a good idea.

- Although not the most sympathetic view of hyenas, watching The Lion King might be a good thing to do when feeling down if only because it may make you feel connected to your kintype and cheer you up since most people enjoy the movie.

- There are a few documentaries about hyenas on youtube that might be worth watching. I know the silly mutual of omaha’s summer of the badger documentary makes me smile when I am feeling a bit down. If the documentaries are too grim for you, I’m sure you could find a way to clip them to just happy or amusing scenes like hyena pups playing. I think there was also a video I saw once of a hyena in a zoo or some sort of rescue facility playing in a puddle or some small body of water. it definitely made me crack a smile and might do the same for you.

- I find puzzles relaxing to do. If you ado as well, perhaps a puzzle with an image of a hyena on it might do you good.

- I know the game has some issues; but in Feral Heart you can make wolf characters. Perhaps you could tweak the model to look closer to a hyena. I can’t think of any other hyena games other than this silly one where you play as Timon running from a hyena. I mean, you could play that and let Timon get caught and eaten by the hyena.

- I don’t know of any songs that mention your kintype, but the Lion King soundtrack or any songs that make you feel connected or at home might be good to have in a playlist to listen to whenever you’re feeling a bit down.

-I don’t know of any scents that might be good for connecting to your kintype, so I just recommend anything you find relaxing and soothing.

Other than that, decorating your room with things that remind you of the savannah (be it animal prints or warm colors like gold), I cannot think of too much more right now.

-Mod Badger

http://kin-assistance.tumblr.com/post/1 ... -hyena-kin

[Lsuoma]

That reminds me of peoples stories on insurance claims - the classic being:

"I had been driving for over 30 years, when I fell asleep at the wheel"

I think there was a book of these published at some point - but I forget the title. I did find a Daily Mail article though:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... abies.html

It's a warning to all to beware of badgers, babies and snails (amoungst other things).

My favorite insurance claim happened when a guy driving along Lake Superior had his windshield smashed by a falling salmon. Apparently an osprey was flying across the road when it lost the grip on its meal and dropped it. Osprey fly with large fish in their talons looking a bit like a dive bomber with a torpedo.

download.jpg

Osprey can't carry a fish much larger than 3 0r 4 lb. compared to an eagle that can fly off with more than twice that weight and also fight with each other to drop their food. I've had them drop food on my roof, my driveway, and the road in front of my house.
Certainly in my neck of the woods an eagle would be a more likely culprit for windshield breaking.

We've got a lazy, mean bastard Bald Eagle that lurks in a tree in our backyard, and when it sees an Osprey with a big fish (not small ones, nor crabs) will try to hassle the fuck out of the Osprey until it drops its catch.

Interestingly, both the Bald Eagle and the Osprey use the "same" word in their Latin name (Haliaaetus leucocephalus and Padion haliaetus respectively), but the person who named the eagle misspelt it.

[Lsuoma]

s/aae/aee/

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Trump bans trannies from US military:

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

The military should recruit an all-transwoman special ops unit that can parachute into enemy territory, sneak up on enemy commanders, then rub their transcocks and transballs all over the enemy's faces until they surrender.

[youtube][/youtube]

[AndrewV69]

I'm not suggesting the Pit has a criminal element but just a tip.

If you ever have to go on the run announce, through your lawyer, that you have changed gender, so while the police are forced to announce that they are on the lookout for a 'woman' you can grow out your beard, or if you were afab you can put on your girliest dress while they look for a 'man'.

This worked for Ronnette Biggs and Lady Lucan.

Suspect is a caucasian female in her early thirties, approximately 5'9", 265 lbs, with black, balding hair cropped short, and a five-o-clock shadow. Last seen wearing a sexy black mu-mu with spaghetti straps, red pumps, and running like a dying hippo desperately trying to hold in the Hersey Squirts. Approach with caution as suspect is believed to be armed with scathing vitriol and dangerous B.O.

Oh fuck me with a wooden spoon!

WTF man? Why can I not learn. Do not consume fucken beverages nor food whilst perusing the fucken pit. This laptop is only two weeks old!

Only saving grace is that this one has a "spill-resistant" keyboard.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

-Today, we're going to exterminate one million trannies. And a clown!

-Okay, that sou...wait, what?!? Why a clown?!?

-See? Nobody cares about the trannies...

[Kirbmarc]

SO over the weekend I stayed with a friend who's new girlfriend is a bit of a feminist.

I've learnt enough to basically not engage, however at one point she was harping on about how "Islam is inherently more feminist than other religions".

Now obviously my instinct says this is bullshit, however what does everyone else think?

Maybe Kirb might have some insight...

Is she a muslim?

Anyway no, islam isn't a "feminist religion", let alone "more feminist than other religions". Not if feminism is about gender equality anyway.

According the Qu'ran alone muslim women inherit half of what men inherit (Sura 4, verse 11) :

Allah instructs you concerning your children: for the male, what is equal to the share of two females. But if there are [only] daughters, two or more, for them is two thirds of one's estate. And if there is only one, for her is half. And for one's parents, to each one of them is a sixth of his estate if he left children. But if he had no children and the parents [alone] inherit from him, then for his mother is one third. And if he had brothers [or sisters], for his mother is a sixth, after any bequest he [may have] made or debt. Your parents or your children - you know not which of them are nearest to you in benefit. [These shares are] an obligation [imposed] by Allah. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.

The testimony of a woman is worth half of that of a man, because women can make mistakes more easily than men apparently (Sura 2, verse 282):

O you who have believed, when you contract a debt for a specified term, write it down. And let a scribe write [it] between you in justice. Let no scribe refuse to write as Allah has taught him. So let him write and let the one who has the obligation dictate. And let him fear Allah , his Lord, and not leave anything out of it. But if the one who has the obligation is of limited understanding or weak or unable to dictate himself, then let his guardian dictate in justice. And bring to witness two witnesses from among your men. And if there are not two men [available], then a man and two women from those whom you accept as witnesses - so that if one of the women errs, then the other can remind her. And let not the witnesses refuse when they are called upon. And do not be [too] weary to write it, whether it is small or large, for its [specified] term. That is more just in the sight of Allah and stronger as evidence and more likely to prevent doubt between you, except when it is an immediate transaction which you conduct among yourselves. For [then] there is no blame upon you if you do not write it. And take witnesses when you conclude a contract. Let no scribe be harmed or any witness. For if you do so, indeed, it is [grave] disobedience in you. And fear Allah. And Allah teaches you. And Allah is Knowing of all things.

Wives are places that husbands can sow, and their husbands can use them however they want for "seeding" (no mention of the wives' consent) (Sura 2, verse 223):

Your wives are a place of sowing of seed for you, so come to your place of cultivation however you wish and put forth [righteousness] for yourselves. And fear Allah and know that you will meet Him. And give good tidings to the believers.

The words used here are ḥarthun and harthakum, from the root ḥā rā thā, which is used with the meaning of "crop", "harvest", "sow".

The punishment for unlawful sexual intercourse for women, if they're found guilty, is to be imprisoned in their houses until they die, or until Allah decides otherwise (Sura 4, verse 15):

Those who commit unlawful sexual intercourse of your women - bring against them four [witnesses] from among you. And if they testify, confine the guilty women to houses until death takes them or Allah ordains for them [another] way.

A bit harsh, I'd say, especially since there's no equivalent punishment for men who commit unlawful sexual intercourse.

Men are in charge of women, who should be obedient, and wife-beating is also a-OK against disobedient women, after a few warnings (Sura 4, verse 34):

Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.

The word used here is wa-iḍ'ribūhunna, from the root ḍād rā bā. Some translators want gullible non-muslims to believe that wa-iḍ'ribūhunna means "send them away", since the root can mean "strike" or "travel" or "present" or "turn away", but the root is never used in a transitive form to refer to human beings in the sense of "send away" in the Qu'ran, so it'd be incredibly weird and out of place if the word was used here with that meaning. Anyway most muslim scholars interpret the verse by saying that it recommends wife-beating of "arrogant" wives (although most argue that it should "light" beating).

That's just scratching the surface, since this is just the Qu'ran we're talking about, and there's a lot of stuff about what women should do for their husbands and how they should be punished if they disobey in the ahadith.

I think I made it clear that islam is VERY far from being a feminist religion.