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Post by ConcentratedH2O, OM » Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:52 pm

John D:
To top it off she has had some kind of contact dermatitis and breaks out in hives about every two days across large parts of her body. She scratches so much she sometimes tears little holes in her skin (but I guess that stops the itching)
All those long-term meds...itching...tiredness...

How are the whites of her eyes? Nice and white or yellowing? Can you persuade the doc to run a liver panel next time she sees someone?

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Post by ConcentratedH2O, OM » Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:56 pm

By liver panel I mean a blood draw and then checking various things. It's a standard panel.

You could also look for dark purple bands running horizontally across the nails just below the white ends, and little blotchy red spots on her arms and torso (google spider nevi for images).

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Post by rayshul » Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:01 pm

Shit John that doesn't sound great. Good advice from everyone around seeing a doctor/kids and helping her through her depression. I know exercise isn't on the cards for her, but maybe there's something she can do from a more limited kind of way, swimming, etc... it's often getting people moving that can help them. The more you kind of fall into a little hole where you're at home all day the harder it is to come out.

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Post by John D » Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:37 pm

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote: By liver panel I mean a blood draw and then checking various things. It's a standard panel.

You could also look for dark purple bands running horizontally across the nails just below the white ends, and little blotchy red spots on her arms and torso (google spider nevi for images).
I will figure this out. Perhaps something is off track on her blood-work. She sees her doc at least every 6 months and he does a full blood work on her. I will ask my wife and see if there is a lead here. Our doc is a smart guy and we like him. Very analytical and open. That is part of the problem. I already think we have a good doctor. Thanks for all the advice everyone. I am determined to keep working through this. Most people have it worse than me... but watching my wife get this ill at 53 was not one of my life plans. Retiring with my wife and driving an RV across America... now that was the life plan!

Thanks pit.... I actually feel like I can share shit with you guys more than most other people.... even my personal friends. Well... there are lots of kinds of good friends... and some of them are pitters.... haha.

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Post by Brive1987 » Fri Jan 05, 2018 8:22 pm

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:18 pm
Those imams have already pretty much demographically broken major western cities, terrorism has destroyed simple freedoms. The ridiculous hipsters are the warg riders of your unrestrained liberalism which has cleared the market square ready for third party occupation. I refer you back to the article I posted yesterday ... or any newspaper on any day of the week.

The problem is failure to apply the principles of secular liberalism. The problem is that freedom of speech and equality before the law have not been held sacrosanct.
There is implicit tension between blind rule of law, tolerance, personal freedom, equality and freedom of speech. It’s esp. difficult to set the slide rule when privilege becomes a variable. That is if there was actually a plan.

Standard caveats apply and apologies to all who are gagging on exposure to my POV. A comfortable equilibrium will shortly return to programming.

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Post by TheMudbrooker » Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:17 pm

John D wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:
John D wrote: Fuck! I just spent the last hour telling my wife that the kids and I would NOT be better off if she killed herself. I told her it was wrong thinking, and cowardly, and that the kids would blame themselves for her death. Her reply was that her death would allow the kids and I to get on with our life. Of course, our kids already have their own life and are not dependent on her. I do spend a great deal of my time caring for her... and our relationship is not very fun most of the time.

I said I would help her work with the doctor to try some meds like Prozac. She just started to cry and said she was already taking boxes full of pills. Unfortunately, she is not wrong about this. She had the day off work today due to the cold weather, and spent the last 36 hours in bed with her pill bottles spread on the blanket.

I think her menopause is fucking with her hormones. She has had depression her whole life tied to her menstrual cycle. I have been hoping her menopause would help but it has made things worse.

I am puzzled about the best thing to do now. I am tempted to get my adult children involved, but I don't want to burden them with such a difficult problem. They have their own problems to solve. They may be able to actually help however.

On the positive side, my wife is very comfort seeking. I am somewhat secure in the idea that she will not be energetic enough to actually take her own life. Over the years we have had many bouts of her being depressed.... and they ultimately just passed. Maybe I just monitor this and see if it passes. Of course, I could come home from work one day to find a corpse.
Fucking hell, John, that's not good (in case you hadn't spotted that yet). If you do go and get any SSRIs or SNRIs please be careful. They carry a heightened risk of suicide in early stages, since they can add more motivation and purpose earlier than any general mood effect kicking in.

It does sound as though she may be seeking more feelings of being valued after the kids having grown up, hence her comments about you and they being able to get on with their lives.

What pills is she scarfing down at present? That's important to know.
She is taking Cymbalta and Lyrica for her Fibromyalgia. These have had the side effect of helping her mood in the past... not so much any more. If she goes off these her pain spikes so bad she stays in bed and cries.

She is on a blood thinner, aspirin, and a statin for her heart disease. She already has four artery stents. Both her sisters and her brother have had open heart surgery. One sister is bed ridden and immobile from a stroke.

She is on some kind of water pill as well.... and some other shit the doc put her on. He wanted to put her on more meds but she refused.

To top it off she has had some kind of contact dermatitis and breaks out in hives about every two days across large parts of her body. She scratches so much she sometimes tears little holes in her skin (but I guess that stops the itching). Benedril is the only thing that helps the itch.... and it causes her to just sleep.... for a day.

It's a shit show and I don't blame her for being down. She is only 53.

Thanks for the advice on the SSRIs and SNRIs.
My wife was on Lyrica for fibromyalgia for a while. It worked good for about 8-9 months then she started getting depressed, mood swings and generally squirrelly as hell, we took her off it and within a month and a half she was back to normal. That might not be the case with your Missus, but it's something to consider.

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Post by VickyCaramel » Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:20 pm

Brive1987 wrote:
ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:18 pm
Those imams have already pretty much demographically broken major western cities, terrorism has destroyed simple freedoms. The ridiculous hipsters are the warg riders of your unrestrained liberalism which has cleared the market square ready for third party occupation. I refer you back to the article I posted yesterday ... or any newspaper on any day of the week.

The problem is failure to apply the principles of secular liberalism. The problem is that freedom of speech and equality before the law have not been held sacrosanct.
There is implicit tension between blind rule of law, tolerance, personal freedom, equality and freedom of speech. It’s esp. difficult to set the slide rule when privilege becomes a variable. That is if there was actually a plan.

Standard caveats apply and apologies to all who are gagging on exposure to my POV. A comfortable equilibrium will shortly return to programming.
I think there is a lack of perspective from a lot of people.
If you are not here in the UK, maybe you can be forgiven for thinking the whole country is half way to an islamic state. But where I live, just about all the "brown people" I see are crashing their cars while trying to pick the kids off at the Catholic school (Asians just cannot fucking drive!). There are a few muslims I am told but no mosques. So if they are practicing they must be traveling a long way, but as far as I know the muslim kids at the local school don't have prayer time or halal meat.

The Islamification of the UK is far from complete. We are actually talking about some ghettos albeit large ones.

The hate speach bullshit is spreading outwards, but I believe that if I was arrested for teaching a pug how to do a Nazi salute, the judges in this district wouldn't be amused by the CPS. I can't imagine them being sympathetic to any muslim sexual emergencies either.

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Post by VickyCaramel » Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:02 pm

Keating wrote: The only way I see of preventing collapse is if the cultural values are restored - this is exactly what Jordan Peterson is trying to do. Spencer's life boat doesn't look very attractive at all, but does like the one most likely to survive.
The way I see it, it can go one of two ways, mainly because the US will not allow European Nations to become Islamic... It is fairly likely the Russians and Chinese won't be keen on the idea either! So becoming Islamic states is out of the question.

Richard Spencer is showing us the way forward and it is a future that none of us wants, because I can't tell the difference between that and National Socialism. The other option is for somebody who comes along promising to turn the clock back. The path to get there will be nasty, but they will argue it has to be done.
They will promise that once the "repatriation" is over, we will return to being a civilized liberal democracy, only stronger with a new constitution protecting individual rights and of course a strict immigration policy. I think people will buy into it.

I suspect that plans are already underway by the security services across Europe. I will not be giving any prizes to the person who spots the UK's rapidly growing Auxiliary force. "Cough"

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Post by AndrewV69 » Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:27 pm

Steersman wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:11 pm
Shatterface wrote: Just wanted to say thanks to Kirb for that 'two cents' summary of the paper on population genetics.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
What? I don't even get an honourable mention for my contribution? ;-)
I thought yours was not too shabby either.

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Post by AndrewV69 » Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:14 pm

Lsuoma wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:24 pm
So, Macron has told Erdogan to fuck off wrt his chances of Turkey joining the EU.

Does that mean that Turkey is now going to release the Kraken of unlimited refugees to enter the EU. I'd be scared. Vary scared.
Reminds me of this article for some reason Doomed by their last bid to reach Europe: Migrants sink their own boat after crashing it into the side of a Tunisian fishing trawler they mistook for the coast guard
The Italian coastguard has a policy of escorting to shore any migrants it finds at sea and it is thought those on the migrant boat thought they would be rescued and taken to Italy if their boat capsized next to the ship. They were unaware it was just a fishing vessel operating out of a Tunisian port.
The latest victims will add to a total of 4,655 migrants confirmed to have died or disappeared in the Mediterranean so far this year, according to counts by the International Organisation for Migration and the UN refugee agency.
If you look around there are reports of NGOs in effect facilitating the passage of migrants to Europe by operating Charity boats that rescue migrants from dangerous and life threatening situations.

This is going to get worse.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-euro ... SKBN1AG2FT
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/sever ... 1448295759
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... ute-europe


Remember I said some time back all the Nigerians I know are either a Doctor or have a doctorate Phd etc. etc.? Well, these "migrants" or "refugees" I suspect are not like that at all.

(I was agape & agog when learned that Australia has imported black Africans. If recent reports are accurate, I doubt that their group included many, indeed if any with multiple degrees )

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Post by Brive1987 » Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:28 pm

this diversion has been interesting in a SWOT sort of way coming from a skeptic card holder perspective.

1. We have a group literally setting out to crush the "the skeptics" which is a diverting change from entryism see first 15mins of video below
2. There is no skeptic group or body able to respond. No JREF or CFI. No Shermer, no PZ, no SGU. This despite 10 yrs of "Skeptic Movement"
3. Skeptics are being defined as Sargon and Kraut FFS and that line isn't challenged. These lightweight are getting owned in the debate
4. Skeptics and Atheists look tired or MIA in the Youtube, streaming, twitter etc medium SGU is shit, JG is now a porn star etc
5. There is a coordinated mobilisation of SM by alt right that allows mediocre talent to punch up. The round robin around NYE was well done
6. Setups like Red Ice TV and Rebel /Infowars are far more ostensibly sophisticated than anything A/S has done even if their msg is crap

Old school A/S really appears to be wearing its brown cardigan and its SJ lampshade, it is not demonstrating any capacity to intervene in a nimble public debate where testable claims are being made about race and sociology.


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Post by Brive1987 » Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:50 pm

bat signal sent. Im sure they will queue at my door for advice.


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Post by GenerallyFading » Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:09 am

John D wrote:

I think her menopause is fucking with her hormones. She has had depression her whole life tied to her menstrual cycle. I have been hoping her menopause would help but it has made things worse.
Hi John. Speaking from personal experience, this is vyer possible. I went from being really on top of my depression to being almost sectioned because over a weekend I decided that I should kill myself. I was in such a state that it was only through crying down the phone at a doctor that I mnaged to see one that day, who immediately prescribed HRT. I didn't want to take HRT but then again, I didn't want to live feeling the way I did. I basically went out of my mind. I am on HRT now which has helped but the dose needs to be adjusted. It's a different way from my usual depression, I went from being occaisonally a little down to being full on, matter of fact "I don't want to be here any more". The good news is is that it is more than likely her hormones and is treatable - maybe not with anti-depressants straight away? I was advised to make sure that HRT would make a difference before taking anti depressants, and I am glad I went down this route.
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I really hope you find something that works for her, menopause can be hell. There are support groups out there, mainly good for just screaming out about your problems - I found writing things down made m cry about it and then made me feel better for a while.

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Post by GenerallyFading » Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:10 am

FFS, do we still not have an edit key?

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Post by MarcusAu » Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:06 am

Brive1987 wrote: bat signal sent. Im sure they will queue at my door for advice.

The 'race realism' argument is in two parts:

Premise 1: There are observable and measurable differences between racial groups.
Premise 2: Said differences mean that the racial groups are not compatible on a large scale.
Conclusion: An ethnostate (or multiple ethnostates) are required.

Premise 2 seems to be the faulty one - which requires further investigation. Though most will admit that there is a rate of immigration (dependent on both the quality and the quantity of immigrants) that will have a destabilising effect on the host country. But this can be treated as a separate issue.

There are still some individual Youtubers focusing mainly on atheism - for instance 'Grim Jim' / 'Deconverted Man' / 'Godless Cranium' but I don't think they necessarily have the skill or qualifications for the 'race-realism' debate. Actually, I had heard that Richard Spencer was an atheist himself, and a fan of Christopher Hitchens - for whatever that is worth.

Other options could be Matt Dillihunty of the ACA - but again - I'm not sure that atheists are necessarily best qualified or have the temperament for this type of debate. Maybe Potholer54 does - but this is not really his area of expertise - and is a pretty big ask.

If this gets bigger than Youtube, I suspect that Douglas Murray might have an opinion on it. As would some non-atheists in the Youtube sphere - PragerU had a video about the 'Alt-Right' that was found to be contentious - and Stephen Crowder may or may not have something to say (he tends to focus on on left after all).

Going with the right / libertarians - I wonder if this is something 'Reason' (magazine or TV) or 'National Review' or the Cato institute (or other think tanks) have investigated. Libertarians tend to be for open borders - but that is another can of worms.

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Post by MarcusAu » Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:09 am

Actually Jeff Holliday had a couple of video 'debunking' race-realism.

...but the horse has bolted from that stable.

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Post by Oglebart » Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:30 am

John D wrote:
ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote: By liver panel I mean a blood draw and then checking various things. It's a standard panel.

You could also look for dark purple bands running horizontally across the nails just below the white ends, and little blotchy red spots on her arms and torso (google spider nevi for images).
I will figure this out. Perhaps something is off track on her blood-work. She sees her doc at least every 6 months and he does a full blood work on her. I will ask my wife and see if there is a lead here. Our doc is a smart guy and we like him. Very analytical and open. That is part of the problem. I already think we have a good doctor. Thanks for all the advice everyone. I am determined to keep working through this. Most people have it worse than me... but watching my wife get this ill at 53 was not one of my life plans. Retiring with my wife and driving an RV across America... now that was the life plan!

Thanks pit.... I actually feel like I can share shit with you guys more than most other people.... even my personal friends. Well... there are lots of kinds of good friends... and some of them are pitters.... haha.
Don't forget though, we're a bunch of complete cunts here!

Best wishes though John, hope the situation improves.

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Post by gurugeorge » Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:34 am

MarcusAu wrote:
The 'race realism' argument is in two parts:

Premise 1: There are observable and measurable differences between racial groups.
Premise 2: Said differences mean that the racial groups are not compatible on a large scale.
Conclusion: An ethnostate (or multiple ethnostates) are required.
That's not race realism, that's one form of argument for ethnostates, based on race realism. Race realism in and of itself is just Premise 1.

It always seems like an odd thing to argue "for the ethnostate" - the ethnostate is the natural form of the state that has arisen all over the place, both historically, and for most races and ethnic groups in the world today.

It's just Whites who aren't "allowed" to have an ethnostate (((for some strange reason.))) (So the Alt Right story goes.)

(More accurately, Whites have been (((trained))) to forbid themselves from having an ethnostate because the slightest hint of it is immediately castigated as "anti-Semitic." Wonderful trick really - but then what else would you expect from a 115 IQ master race Chosen People? ;) )

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Post by windy » Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:54 am

Kirbmarc wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:34 am
It's also interesting to note that non-Sub-Saharan populations seem to have a (small) degree of Neandertal admixture than Sub-Saharan Africans lack:
Interestingly, a recent study of the Neandertal genome suggests that the non-African individuals, but not the Africans, contain similar amount of admixture (1–4%) with the Neandertals [47]. The authors suggest that the admixture must have happened between the Neandertals with an ancestral non-African population before the Eurasian expansion.
So if anything the ones who mated with a different species of hominids were the non-Africans, while Africans are the "pure Sapiens".
Sub-Saharan Africans have also admixed with other hominids, just not the same ones as non-Africans:

Genetic evidence for archaic admixture in Africa
Here we use DNA sequence data gathered from 61 noncoding autosomal regions in a sample of three sub-Saharan African populations (Mandenka, Biaka, and San) to test models of African archaic admixture. We use two complementary approximate-likelihood approaches and a model of human evolution that involves recent population structure, with and without gene flow from an archaic population. Extensive simulation results reject the null model of no admixture and allow us to infer that contemporary African populations contain a small proportion of genetic material (≈2%) that introgressed ≈35 kya from an archaic population that split from the ancestors of anatomically modern humans ≈700 kya.
And that's not counting the migration of some ancient Eurasians back to Africa, which might also have brought some Neanderthal genes there:
https://phys.org/news/2016-05-migration ... ithic.html
The UPV/EHU's Human Evolutionary Biology group has retrieved the mitochondrial genome of a 35,000 year-old fossil of a woman found in the Pestera Muierii cave in Romania. She was among the first population of our species that inhabited Europe following the Eurasian expansion of Homo sapiens from Africa, and the lineage she belongs to reinforces the hypothesis of a back migration to Africa during the Upper Palaeolithic. The study has been published in Scientific Reports.

(...) This mitochondrial genome corresponds to the now disappeared U6 basal lineage, and it is from this lineage that the U6 lineages, now existing mainly in the populations of the north of Africa, descend from.

The study confirms the Eurasian origin of the U6 lineage and supports the hypothesis that some populations embarked on a back-migration to Africa from Eurasia at the start of the Upper Palaeolithic, about 40,000 to 45,000 years ago. The Pestera Muierii individual represents one branch of this return journey to Africa, of which there is no direct evidence owing to the lack of Palaeolithic fossil remains in the north of Africa.

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Post by Brive1987 » Sat Jan 06, 2018 2:25 am

gurugeorge wrote:
MarcusAu wrote:
The 'race realism' argument is in two parts:

Premise 1: There are observable and measurable differences between racial groups.
Premise 2: Said differences mean that the racial groups are not compatible on a large scale.
Conclusion: An ethnostate (or multiple ethnostates) are required.
That's not race realism, that's one form of argument for ethnostates, based on race realism. Race realism in and of itself is just Premise 1.

It always seems like an odd thing to argue "for the ethnostate" - the ethnostate is the natural form of the state that has arisen all over the place, both historically, and for most races and ethnic groups in the world today.

It's just Whites who aren't "allowed" to have an ethnostate (((for some strange reason.))) (So the Alt Right story goes.)

(More accurately, Whites have been (((trained))) to forbid themselves from having an ethnostate because the slightest hint of it is immediately castigated as "anti-Semitic." Wonderful trick really - but then what else would you expect from a 115 IQ master race Chosen People? ;) )
premise 1 begs the question by assuming race exists
premise 2 is simple assertion and would probably be turned into efficiency of culture/ethnic expression instead of 'compatibility'

but race is such an elastic term RRs could probably come up with something to populate their group. For people discussing ethnostates they seem to have an obsession with skin colour instead of say, oh, ethnicity "the fact or state of belonging to a social group that has a common national or cultural tradition"

And this is why for all the arguable benefits of European ESs, their major proponents are kooks. Apart from Faith of course. Spencer with his demand for a universal right of return to a white homeland (of somesort) epitomises this pathetic fact

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John D wrote: Fuck! I just spent the last hour telling my wife that the kids and I would NOT be better off if she killed herself. I told her it was wrong thinking, and cowardly, and that the kids would blame themselves for her death. Her reply was that her death would allow the kids and I to get on with our life. Of course, our kids already have their own life and are not dependent on her. I do spend a great deal of my time caring for her... and our relationship is not very fun most of the time.

I said I would help her work with the doctor to try some meds like Prozac. She just started to cry and said she was already taking boxes full of pills. Unfortunately, she is not wrong about this. She had the day off work today due to the cold weather, and spent the last 36 hours in bed with her pill bottles spread on the blanket.

I think her menopause is fucking with her hormones. She has had depression her whole life tied to her menstrual cycle. I have been hoping her menopause would help but it has made things worse.

I am puzzled about the best thing to do now. I am tempted to get my adult children involved, but I don't want to burden them with such a difficult problem. They have their own problems to solve. They may be able to actually help however.

On the positive side, my wife is very comfort seeking. I am somewhat secure in the idea that she will not be energetic enough to actually take her own life. Over the years we have had many bouts of her being depressed.... and they ultimately just passed. Maybe I just monitor this and see if it passes. Of course, I could come home from work one day to find a corpse.
Sorry to hear it. Of course, we on the pit have learned the hard way that intimations of suicide must always be taken seriously, however it's quite possible your wife is just using that as a way to express her pain and dissatisfaction (cry for help, or some variation). And I can't blame her. A few of my (non-expert) opinions. I can only offer you what I would think/or do in your place.

-- Keep in mind this is the worst part of the year for Northern Hemisphere depressives. Realizing this alone may offer some "light at the end of the tunnel". There is also more active treatments (against SAD). Lightbox treatment, etc.

-- I'm a big proponent of paring down meds to a minimum effective collection, and your wife seems to agree since she seems dissatisfied with the number of meds she's on. If possible, the fibro and anti-depressant med should be one and the same. Have her doc go through the list and initiate "drug holidays" on each to see if they're effective. Taking a bucket of meds is probably reinforcing the perception of illness.

-- If work keeps her on a regular schedule, that's probably GOOD. Staying in bed all day reinforces depression and messes with your circadian rhythm. This is probably the hardest thing NOT to do, since she probably just wants to curl up in a ball and disappear.

-- None on these things need to be "all at once" things. In fact it's better to keep them as "intentions" not rules. A person fails rules, but it's much harder to fail an intention. I know it sounds kind of flaky, but maybe even tape a list of "intentions" up on the bathroom mirror. Whatever works.

Good luck to you and let us know what happens. At this point "stay the course" sounds like a good plan.

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Post by Pseudomonas » Sat Jan 06, 2018 2:51 am

John D wrote:
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John D wrote: Fuck! I just spent the last hour telling my wife that the kids and I would NOT be better off if she killed herself. I told her it was wrong thinking, and cowardly, and that the kids would blame themselves for her death. Her reply was that her death would allow the kids and I to get on with our life. Of course, our kids already have their own life and are not dependent on her. I do spend a great deal of my time caring for her... and our relationship is not very fun most of the time.

I said I would help her work with the doctor to try some meds like Prozac. She just started to cry and said she was already taking boxes full of pills. Unfortunately, she is not wrong about this. She had the day off work today due to the cold weather, and spent the last 36 hours in bed with her pill bottles spread on the blanket.

I think her menopause is fucking with her hormones. She has had depression her whole life tied to her menstrual cycle. I have been hoping her menopause would help but it has made things worse.

I am puzzled about the best thing to do now. I am tempted to get my adult children involved, but I don't want to burden them with such a difficult problem. They have their own problems to solve. They may be able to actually help however.

On the positive side, my wife is very comfort seeking. I am somewhat secure in the idea that she will not be energetic enough to actually take her own life. Over the years we have had many bouts of her being depressed.... and they ultimately just passed. Maybe I just monitor this and see if it passes. Of course, I could come home from work one day to find a corpse.
Fucking hell, John, that's not good (in case you hadn't spotted that yet). If you do go and get any SSRIs or SNRIs please be careful. They carry a heightened risk of suicide in early stages, since they can add more motivation and purpose earlier than any general mood effect kicking in.

It does sound as though she may be seeking more feelings of being valued after the kids having grown up, hence her comments about you and they being able to get on with their lives.

What pills is she scarfing down at present? That's important to know.
She is taking Cymbalta and Lyrica for her Fibromyalgia. These have had the side effect of helping her mood in the past... not so much any more. If she goes off these her pain spikes so bad she stays in bed and cries.

She is on a blood thinner, aspirin, and a statin for her heart disease. She already has four artery stents. Both her sisters and her brother have had open heart surgery. One sister is bed ridden and immobile from a stroke.

She is on some kind of water pill as well.... and some other shit the doc put her on. He wanted to put her on more meds but she refused.

To top it off she has had some kind of contact dermatitis and breaks out in hives about every two days across large parts of her body. She scratches so much she sometimes tears little holes in her skin (but I guess that stops the itching). Benedril is the only thing that helps the itch.... and it causes her to just sleep.... for a day.

It's a shit show and I don't blame her for being down. She is only 53.

Thanks for the advice on the SSRIs and SNRIs.
That's a lot of different medications to be taking - you can get a general idea as to whether there might be an adverse interaction by looking at somewhere like Drugs.com's interaction checker. Obviously doesn't override what your wife's doctor says, but might give you some clues. And I'd also second being sure that her liver function is OK, and seeing what effect her menopause might be having.

I would definitely bring your kids in on this - they should be involved if only so that if the worst happened, they were aware beforehand - but also because they may have suggestions which you may not have thought of, and ways to talk to her that you don't.

Is she seeing a Psych person? They may have access to treatments which your regular physician doesn't, and may be able to get her to do non-pharmacological stuff like CBT, mindfullness and so on. The people I see always bang on about exercise, but that doesn't seem like it would help your wife, given her fibromyalgia, etc, (And it doesn't seem to help me much - with depression, at least).

Sorry I can't be more helpful; hope you both work this out.

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VickyCaramel wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:20 pm
Brive1987 wrote:
ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:18 pm
Those imams have already pretty much demographically broken major western cities, terrorism has destroyed simple freedoms. The ridiculous hipsters are the warg riders of your unrestrained liberalism which has cleared the market square ready for third party occupation. I refer you back to the article I posted yesterday ... or any newspaper on any day of the week.

The problem is failure to apply the principles of secular liberalism. The problem is that freedom of speech and equality before the law have not been held sacrosanct.
There is implicit tension between blind rule of law, tolerance, personal freedom, equality and freedom of speech. It’s esp. difficult to set the slide rule when privilege becomes a variable. That is if there was actually a plan.

Standard caveats apply and apologies to all who are gagging on exposure to my POV. A comfortable equilibrium will shortly return to programming.
I think there is a lack of perspective from a lot of people.
If you are not here in the UK, maybe you can be forgiven for thinking the whole country is half way to an islamic state. But where I live, just about all the "brown people" I see are crashing their cars while trying to pick the kids off at the Catholic school (Asians just cannot fucking drive!). There are a few muslims I am told but no mosques. So if they are practicing they must be traveling a long way, but as far as I know the muslim kids at the local school don't have prayer time or halal meat.

The Islamification of the UK is far from complete. We are actually talking about some ghettos albeit large ones.

The hate speach bullshit is spreading outwards, but I believe that if I was arrested for teaching a pug how to do a Nazi salute, the judges in this district wouldn't be amused by the CPS. I can't imagine them being sympathetic to any muslim sexual emergencies either.
I believe you. But do you not think that white kids in the major urban centres are being weaned off any cultural identity beyond 'multiculturalist'? It is the weakening of resistance in the major population centres that I find worrying. What Tommy Robinson has said about Islam in the the prison system is frightening. Do you not think that the Islamists are infiltrating society in the areas where it matters but is not immediately apparent to the elite? Does the attitude of your local authorities protect you from prosecution for online hate speech laws? How will smaller communities resist the tide when the laws are affected?

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Post by ThreeFlangedJavis » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:00 am

Brive1987 wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2018 8:22 pm
ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:18 pm
Those imams have already pretty much demographically broken major western cities, terrorism has destroyed simple freedoms. The ridiculous hipsters are the warg riders of your unrestrained liberalism which has cleared the market square ready for third party occupation. I refer you back to the article I posted yesterday ... or any newspaper on any day of the week.

The problem is failure to apply the principles of secular liberalism. The problem is that freedom of speech and equality before the law have not been held sacrosanct.
There is implicit tension between blind rule of law, tolerance, personal freedom, equality and freedom of speech. It’s esp. difficult to set the slide rule when privilege becomes a variable. That is if there was actually a plan.

Standard caveats apply and apologies to all who are gagging on exposure to my POV. A comfortable equilibrium will shortly return to programming.
I have been quite scathing of US constitutional fetishism in the past, but I have to say that in times like these the value of it shows. If the US maintains the primacy of the constitution then those tensions are moot because the only question is "does it obey the constitution?". You don't get to live in the US if you don't want to abide by the constitution.

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Brive1987 wrote: And this is why for all the arguable benefits of European ESs, their major proponents are kooks. Apart from Faith of course. Spencer with his demand for a universal right of return to a white homeland (of somesort) epitomises this pathetic fact
Spencer's not really all that representative of the Alt Right though. From my investigations, I've found that the Alt Right is quite a broad church, with libertarian and national socialist "wings." In a way, the label is a misnomer, because ethnocentrism was normal for Whites up until about the 1920s (as it's normal for most races and ethnic groups in the world) - even up to the 1940s, heck even the 1960s to some extent (when the British population was largely supportive of Enoch Powell's views).

(Actually Spencer himself says as much: his vision of the ethnostate would still have a to-and-fro between Left and Right.)

I think the media's built Spencer up because he has that Aryan look about him, he's quite active, and he has that goofy idealism about him that's easy to take the piss out of. But to me, people like Millennial Woes and most of the people he interviewed for his Millenniyule thing, the Murdoch Murdoch videos, etc., are more representative of the Alt Right - i.e. there's a fair bit of ideological variety.

Essentially the Alt Right is unified only by the JQ and by its sense of boiling-frog urgency - the belief that Whites are in danger of becoming an endangered species if we don't get our shit together. It's not really unified by any particular ideological solution to the problem. In fact, part of the vibrancy of the Alt Right just is its internal tensions and its mulling over of various possible solutions.

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Hunt wrote: -- I'm a big proponent of paring down meds to a minimum effective collection, and your wife seems to agree since she seems dissatisfied with the number of meds she's on. If possible, the fibro and anti-depressant med should be one and the same. Have her doc go through the list and initiate "drug holidays" on each to see if they're effective. Taking a bucket of meds is probably reinforcing the perception of illness.
But be aware that some drugs are often difficult to stop suddenly, and that includes SNRIs, SSRIs and pregabalin and gabapentin.

You might also consider asking that nice doctor of yours if he knows of a sensible psychiatrist she might be referred to - 'umble GPs may treat the majority of mental illness without referral, but knowing when it's time to use one is part of doing it right.

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Post by VickyCaramel » Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:48 am

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
VickyCaramel wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:20 pm
Brive1987 wrote:
ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:18 pm
Those imams have already pretty much demographically broken major western cities, terrorism has destroyed simple freedoms. The ridiculous hipsters are the warg riders of your unrestrained liberalism which has cleared the market square ready for third party occupation. I refer you back to the article I posted yesterday ... or any newspaper on any day of the week.

The problem is failure to apply the principles of secular liberalism. The problem is that freedom of speech and equality before the law have not been held sacrosanct.
There is implicit tension between blind rule of law, tolerance, personal freedom, equality and freedom of speech. It’s esp. difficult to set the slide rule when privilege becomes a variable. That is if there was actually a plan.

Standard caveats apply and apologies to all who are gagging on exposure to my POV. A comfortable equilibrium will shortly return to programming.
I think there is a lack of perspective from a lot of people.
If you are not here in the UK, maybe you can be forgiven for thinking the whole country is half way to an islamic state. But where I live, just about all the "brown people" I see are crashing their cars while trying to pick the kids off at the Catholic school (Asians just cannot fucking drive!). There are a few muslims I am told but no mosques. So if they are practicing they must be traveling a long way, but as far as I know the muslim kids at the local school don't have prayer time or halal meat.

The Islamification of the UK is far from complete. We are actually talking about some ghettos albeit large ones.

The hate speach bullshit is spreading outwards, but I believe that if I was arrested for teaching a pug how to do a Nazi salute, the judges in this district wouldn't be amused by the CPS. I can't imagine them being sympathetic to any muslim sexual emergencies either.
I believe you. But do you not think that white kids in the major urban centres are being weaned off any cultural identity beyond 'multiculturalist'? It is the weakening of resistance in the major population centres that I find worrying. What Tommy Robinson has said about Islam in the the prison system is frightening. Do you not think that the Islamists are infiltrating society in the areas where it matters but is not immediately apparent to the elite? Does the attitude of your local authorities protect you from prosecution for online hate speech laws? How will smaller communities resist the tide when the laws are affected?
I think the loony left are influencing the law and society, I don't think Islam is.
Black culture is influencing our youth, and islam is influencing some parts of black culture. But there is nothing cool or attractive about Islam to white youth.

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Post by DrokkIt » Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:21 am

Anyone wanna bet on Spencer being a closeted gay?

Just has that vibe about him somehow.

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Post by ThreeFlangedJavis » Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:12 am

VickyCaramel wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:48 am
I think the loony left are influencing the law and society, I don't think Islam is.
Black culture is influencing our youth, and islam is influencing some parts of black culture. But there is nothing cool or attractive about Islam to white youth.
Going by Tommy Robinson the prison system is converting whites to Islam. The story is that the white criminal youth are directionless and Islam gives them something very concrete and purposeful, not to mention that the prisons are ruled by Islamists. The sort of thing the Islamists are doing is moving into the drug trade on the estates, which forces a response that ends in prison sentences and the way clear to take over the estates. To young people without much belief in anything an ideology that displays dominance and such strong belief in itself can be appealing. Poverty can make children very vulnerable to recruitment as evidenced by the coloured gangs here. There are hopeless children who'll murder their parents if you give them a few pairs of trainers and the promise of gang membership and a sense of belonging.

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Post by Spike13 » Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:19 am

re current you tube drama,

How did we end up in this up side down world where social editors are “skeptics” while people who are actual skeptics are nowhere to be found. ( granted many of the actual skeptics such as Thunderf00t and tl dr have actively distanced themselves because of the actions/commentary/antics of the current “skeptics”)

I think what we are seeing here is the start of a scism in what was the anti SJW you tube community and is remenicent of what happened in the A/S community.

Take some honest actors, some scammers,season with fame whores and band wagon jumpers.
Thicken mix with an overabundance of second tier wanna-be’s and format clones.
Seperate into cool kid cliques, cover with in a generous helping of undeserved ego. clamp on the lid, apply high heat,stand back from the explosion.

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Post by Shatterface » Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:21 am

What's the rate of conversion to Islam among white prisoners? I've met hundreds of ex-cons and I don't recall any white Muslim converts among them.

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Post by VickyCaramel » Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:24 am

VickyCaramel wrote:
ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
VickyCaramel wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:20 pm
Brive1987 wrote:
ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:18 pm
Those imams have already pretty much demographically broken major western cities, terrorism has destroyed simple freedoms. The ridiculous hipsters are the warg riders of your unrestrained liberalism which has cleared the market square ready for third party occupation. I refer you back to the article I posted yesterday ... or any newspaper on any day of the week.

The problem is failure to apply the principles of secular liberalism. The problem is that freedom of speech and equality before the law have not been held sacrosanct.
There is implicit tension between blind rule of law, tolerance, personal freedom, equality and freedom of speech. It’s esp. difficult to set the slide rule when privilege becomes a variable. That is if there was actually a plan.

Standard caveats apply and apologies to all who are gagging on exposure to my POV. A comfortable equilibrium will shortly return to programming.
I think there is a lack of perspective from a lot of people.
If you are not here in the UK, maybe you can be forgiven for thinking the whole country is half way to an islamic state. But where I live, just about all the "brown people" I see are crashing their cars while trying to pick the kids off at the Catholic school (Asians just cannot fucking drive!). There are a few muslims I am told but no mosques. So if they are practicing they must be traveling a long way, but as far as I know the muslim kids at the local school don't have prayer time or halal meat.

The Islamification of the UK is far from complete. We are actually talking about some ghettos albeit large ones.

The hate speach bullshit is spreading outwards, but I believe that if I was arrested for teaching a pug how to do a Nazi salute, the judges in this district wouldn't be amused by the CPS. I can't imagine them being sympathetic to any muslim sexual emergencies either.
I believe you. But do you not think that white kids in the major urban centres are being weaned off any cultural identity beyond 'multiculturalist'? It is the weakening of resistance in the major population centres that I find worrying. What Tommy Robinson has said about Islam in the the prison system is frightening. Do you not think that the Islamists are infiltrating society in the areas where it matters but is not immediately apparent to the elite? Does the attitude of your local authorities protect you from prosecution for online hate speech laws? How will smaller communities resist the tide when the laws are affected?
I think the loony left are influencing the law and society, I don't think Islam is.
Black culture is influencing our youth, and islam is influencing some parts of black culture. But there is nothing cool or attractive about Islam to white youth.
...I am also going to add that the strain of Islam which is being aggressively pushed claims that the world is 6000 years old. That is going to be a hard sell on teenagers who reached the age of reason without a religion.
And then there is the fact that they are against fashion, decoration, smoking, beer and bacon. Unless you are a particularly ugly girl and you think covering your face might improve your dating options, Islam has absolutely nothing going for it.

We have to remember that the number of whites is going down as a proportion of the population because the number of muslims is going up, but we haven't gone away and unless they use force, there is no way they are converting the native population. They will have to prise the bacon butty from my cold dead hand.

Personally I think we are just a decade away from the beginning of sectarian violence. The last time this happened the security services took sides, I am counting on the fact that they will again.

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Post by feathers » Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:49 am

Lsuoma wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:24 pm
So, Macron has told Erdogan to fuck off wrt his chances of Turkey joining the EU.
Pity, Erdogan had just started to once more lick our sub-sea level arses after last year's referendum kerfuffle.

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Post by VickyCaramel » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:14 am

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
VickyCaramel wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:48 am
I think the loony left are influencing the law and society, I don't think Islam is.
Black culture is influencing our youth, and islam is influencing some parts of black culture. But there is nothing cool or attractive about Islam to white youth.
Going by Tommy Robinson the prison system is converting whites to Islam. The story is that the white criminal youth are directionless and Islam gives them something very concrete and purposeful, not to mention that the prisons are ruled by Islamists. The sort of thing the Islamists are doing is moving into the drug trade on the estates, which forces a response that ends in prison sentences and the way clear to take over the estates. To young people without much belief in anything an ideology that displays dominance and such strong belief in itself can be appealing. Poverty can make children very vulnerable to recruitment as evidenced by the coloured gangs here. There are hopeless children who'll murder their parents if you give them a few pairs of trainers and the promise of gang membership and a sense of belonging.
No doubt all this is true. But Muslim gangs only have power outside of prison where there is a large muslim population. You don't go to prison where you commit the crime, it is not like gangs are a new thing. So you can pray as hard as you like in prison, and beat as many kafir as makes them happy, but when you are released and go back to your largely white hometown suspect it won't count for much.

In many ways this is counter productive for the Islamists. For a start, running drug gangs is a detriment to any society, it hardly gives them the moral high ground, ingratiates sympathy or wins them allies. In fact it is propaganda which can used against them besides the trucks of peace and mass stabbing -- nothing has done more to turn the public against Islam than the Rotherham scandal.
They are essentially inviting in people who are only there for protection and to avoid a beating. If push comes to shove and sectarian violence breaks out, no doubt they will swap sides taking knowledge with them.

I am fairly confident. I gauged the mood of the public over Brexit, and I think things are even more clear on this. I think the public bought into anti-racism, but not multiculturalism. Even if they were the religion of peace, I don't think anybody is keen on it taking over.

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Post by Phil_Giordana_FCD » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:17 am

I'm not advising anyone about suicide again, especially at the Pit. Last time didn't go so well.

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Post by Tigzy » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:45 am

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: Going by Tommy Robinson the prison system is converting whites to Islam. The story is that the white criminal youth are directionless and Islam gives them something very concrete and purposeful, not to mention that the prisons are ruled by Islamists. The sort of thing the Islamists are doing is moving into the drug trade on the estates, which forces a response that ends in prison sentences and the way clear to take over the estates. To young people without much belief in anything an ideology that displays dominance and such strong belief in itself can be appealing. Poverty can make children very vulnerable to recruitment as evidenced by the coloured gangs here. There are hopeless children who'll murder their parents if you give them a few pairs of trainers and the promise of gang membership and a sense of belonging.
Some whites - or non-muslims at any rate - are converting to islam in prison, but it's not solely down to islam offering something 'concrete or powerful', or getting the protection of an islamic gang, though these things do play a part. One thing which has been noted in recent years is the rise of so-called 'convenience muslims' in UK prisons - non-muslim cons apparently converting to islam because being a muslim in prison brings certain benefits, such as: apparently better food; the clout which comes from crying racism at something you don't like; time off from prison work to go and pray; screws treading softly around you for fear of getting islamophobe accusation on their copybooks. So in a sense, islam may well indeed offer something concrete and powerful, in the shape of easier time.

Of course, the presence of convenience muslims will only bolster the role of 'genuine' islam in these places, so it makes tackling the problem of prison radicalisation much more difficult. It would indeed be a major step if the benefits of being a muz in jail were stopped, but good luck with that one in a country where people were even afraid to risk an accusation of racism or islamophobia in the face thousands of girls being raped by muslim gangs.

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Post by Tigzy » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:59 am

VickyCaramel wrote: ...I am also going to add that the strain of Islam which is being aggressively pushed claims that the world is 6000 years old. That is going to be a hard sell on teenagers who reached the age of reason without a religion.
And then there is the fact that they are against fashion, decoration, smoking, beer and bacon. Unless you are a particularly ugly girl and you think covering your face might improve your dating options, Islam has absolutely nothing going for it.

We have to remember that the number of whites is going down as a proportion of the population because the number of muslims is going up, but we haven't gone away and unless they use force, there is no way they are converting the native population. They will have to prise the bacon butty from my cold dead hand.

Personally I think we are just a decade away from the beginning of sectarian violence. The last time this happened the security services took sides, I am counting on the fact that they will again.
Weird, though, how many gingers there are in the ranks of white islamic radicals, ain't it? No idea why this might be, especially when you try to consider the appeal of a desert religion to a people prone to skin cancer.

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Post by ThreeFlangedJavis » Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:15 am

Tigzy wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:45 am
ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: Going by Tommy Robinson the prison system is converting whites to Islam. The story is that the white criminal youth are directionless and Islam gives them something very concrete and purposeful, not to mention that the prisons are ruled by Islamists. The sort of thing the Islamists are doing is moving into the drug trade on the estates, which forces a response that ends in prison sentences and the way clear to take over the estates. To young people without much belief in anything an ideology that displays dominance and such strong belief in itself can be appealing. Poverty can make children very vulnerable to recruitment as evidenced by the coloured gangs here. There are hopeless children who'll murder their parents if you give them a few pairs of trainers and the promise of gang membership and a sense of belonging.
Some whites - or non-muslims at any rate - are converting to islam in prison, but it's not solely down to islam offering something 'concrete or powerful', or getting the protection of an islamic gang, though these things do play a part. One thing which has been noted in recent years is the rise of so-called 'convenience muslims' in UK prisons - non-muslim cons apparently converting to islam because being a muslim in prison brings certain benefits, such as: apparently better food; the clout which comes from crying racism at something you don't like; time off from prison work to go and pray; screws treading softly around you for fear of getting islamophobe accusation on their copybooks. So in a sense, islam may well indeed offer something concrete and powerful, in the shape of easier time.

Of course, the presence of convenience muslims will only bolster the role of 'genuine' islam in these places, so it makes tackling the problem of prison radicalisation much more difficult. It would indeed be a major step if the benefits of being a muz in jail were stopped, but good luck with that one in a country where people were even afraid to risk an accusation of racism or islamophobia in the face thousands of girls being raped by muslim gangs.
I'm sure a lot of what I've read is alarmist, however what makes me wary is signs of institutional influence like the police response to Rotherham(s). The police wouldn't be so afraid unless there was considerable political clout behind racism/Islamophobia accusations.

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Post by John D » Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:41 am

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote: I'm not advising anyone about suicide again, especially at the Pit. Last time didn't go so well.
Yeah... well... it's hard to know what to do.

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Post by John D » Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:52 am

I never thought I would say this... but sometimes I think I was born in the wrong era. I am watching "Presenting Lily Mars" Fantastic. Judy Garland.... what a talent. A movie with brilliant singing. A silly plot. A boy and a girl. Heartbreak. Rooting for the underdog.

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Post by Spike13 » Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:57 am

Three flanged Javis

There is always political considerations for the police when you are dealing with an organized media savvy minority. The most cut and dried incident becomes a minefield of institutional racism/ bias accusations against the police.

The community knows it can get what it wants by applying pressure to the most sensative spot, a pliable politician.
The pol. wishing to have this thorn removed from their tender flesh will reign hell down on the police brass, who then educate the troops.

Shit rolls downhill

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Post by Spike13 » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:01 am

John D wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote: I'm not advising anyone about suicide again, especially at the Pit. Last time didn't go so well.
Yeah... well... it's hard to know what to do.
Just know we are all in your corner, rooting for you and her. Some of us may not have profound advice, bit we can listen, you need to vent, talk, or sort out your head, we’re always here.

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Post by John D » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:12 am

John D wrote: I never thought I would say this... but sometimes I think I was born in the wrong era. I am watching "Presenting Lily Mars" Fantastic. Judy Garland.... what a talent. A movie with brilliant singing. A silly plot. A boy and a girl. Heartbreak. Rooting for the underdog.
John D wrote: I never thought I would say this... but sometimes I think I was born in the wrong era. I am watching "Presenting Lily Mars" Fantastic. Judy Garland.... what a talent. A movie with brilliant singing. A silly plot. A boy and a girl. Heartbreak. Rooting for the underdog.
And that piece of shit movie "La La Land" has a better score on Rotten Tomatoes than "Presenting Lily Mars". Fucking Hollywood assholes. They don't even respect their own history.

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Post by MarcusAu » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:20 am

Calm down John - you are starting to stutter!


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Post by SM1957 » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:49 am

meanwhile Emily Thornberry calls for the EU to sanction Poland in some manner,

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Post by VickyCaramel » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:57 am

Tigzy wrote: Weird, though, how many gingers there are in the ranks of white islamic radicals, ain't it? No idea why this might be, especially when you try to consider the appeal of a desert religion to a people prone to skin cancer.
And what a fine collection of men, think about all the pussy they are missing out on.

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Post by mordacious1 » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:58 am

RIP John Young
Met him a few times in the Sixties
Good guy...man’s man. Probably had the “Badass Mother Fucker” wallet.

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Post by Tigzy » Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:02 am

I've really been enjoying the quiet, teeth-gritted desperation of Jeremy Corbyn's silence on the Iran protests. You just know that fucker can't wait for it to be yesterday's news.

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Post by free thoughtpolice » Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:05 am

Tf00t makes a video where he doesn't repeat himself

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Post by Brive1987 » Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:16 am

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:00 am
Brive1987 wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2018 8:22 pm
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Brive1987 wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:18 pm
Those imams have already pretty much demographically broken major western cities, terrorism has destroyed simple freedoms. The ridiculous hipsters are the warg riders of your unrestrained liberalism which has cleared the market square ready for third party occupation. I refer you back to the article I posted yesterday ... or any newspaper on any day of the week.

The problem is failure to apply the principles of secular liberalism. The problem is that freedom of speech and equality before the law have not been held sacrosanct.
There is implicit tension between blind rule of law, tolerance, personal freedom, equality and freedom of speech. It’s esp. difficult to set the slide rule when privilege becomes a variable. That is if there was actually a plan.

Standard caveats apply and apologies to all who are gagging on exposure to my POV. A comfortable equilibrium will shortly return to programming.
I have been quite scathing of US constitutional fetishism in the past, but I have to say that in times like these the value of it shows. If the US maintains the primacy of the constitution then those tensions are moot because the only question is "does it obey the constitution?". You don't get to live in the US if you don't want to abide by the constitution.
while the UK doesnt have a written constitution and the Australian one is very lite I wonder how the yanks feel about a country not having a specific document :lol: :lol:

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Post by Brive1987 » Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:37 am

gurugeorge wrote:
Brive1987 wrote: And this is why for all the arguable benefits of European ESs, their major proponents are kooks. Apart from Faith of course. Spencer with his demand for a universal right of return to a white homeland (of somesort) epitomises this pathetic fact
Spencer's not really all that representative of the Alt Right though. From my investigations, I've found that the Alt Right is quite a broad church, with libertarian and national socialist "wings." In a way, the label is a misnomer, because ethnocentrism was normal for Whites up until about the 1920s (as it's normal for most races and ethnic groups in the world) - even up to the 1940s, heck even the 1960s to some extent (when the British population was largely supportive of Enoch Powell's views).

(Actually Spencer himself says as much: his vision of the ethnostate would still have a to-and-fro between Left and Right.)

I think the media's built Spencer up because he has that Aryan look about him, he's quite active, and he has that goofy idealism about him that's easy to take the piss out of. But to me, people like Millennial Woes and most of the people he interviewed for his Millenniyule thing, the Murdoch Murdoch videos, etc., are more representative of the Alt Right - i.e. there's a fair bit of ideological variety.

Essentially the Alt Right is unified only by the JQ and by its sense of boiling-frog urgency - the belief that Whites are in danger of becoming an endangered species if we don't get our shit together. It's not really unified by any particular ideological solution to the problem. In fact, part of the vibrancy of the Alt Right just is its internal tensions and its mulling over of various possible solutions.
I found the array of characters brought together for the NYE round ups to be very white race focused. Americans, lacking a clear historical ethno status quo default there. Many Euro commentators also seem comfortable with pan european whiteness and nazi iconography. I havent seen anyone for instance critical of, say, the Nordic Defense groups. There is a distinct requirement for solidarity and synergy of messaging that makes "punching right" a crime. You end up with Faith Goldie on a talking head panel with Mark Collett or on a Daily Stormer podcast. In fact Faith is open to the idea that god has a plan for each race with the whites getting the civilizing gig. True, Lauren Rose criticised the Nazi cos play at Charlottesville - but from an optics perspective rather than an ideological one.

So I would add race realism and race loyalty to your mix of outwardly unifying features. Some players may downplay this or even secretly disagree -
but only alone and in a locked room. My POV here ignores those simply pissed with Muslim excess. Which is, like, everyone with half a brain.

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Post by shoutinghorse » Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:54 am

What is the world coming to? Lets hope Scotland Yard can put their greatest detective minds to work and catch this scum fast. The streets of London just won't be safe until they do :cry:




http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-42584168

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Post by Shatterface » Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:55 pm

Brive1987 wrote: while the UK doesnt have a written constitution and the Australian one is very lite I wonder how the yanks feel about a country not having a specific document :lol: :lol:
Does Magna Carta mean nothing to you?

Did she die in vain?

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Post by InfraRedBucket » Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:57 pm

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I've really been enjoying the quiet, teeth-gritted desperation of Jeremy Corbyn's silence on the Iran protests. You just know that fucker can't wait for it to be yesterday's news.
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Post by Brive1987 » Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:00 pm

speaking of Lauren Rose, she just got canned from twitter

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Post by jet_lagg » Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:02 pm

Very sorry to hear about the wife, John. Some time ago you mentioned having positive results with marijuana, and I see Michigan lists chronic pain as a qualifier for medicinal use. Maybe talk to your doctor about that? I wish I could offer a more qualified opinion.

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Post by katamari Damassi » Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:03 pm

mordacious1 wrote: RIP John Young
Met him a few times in the Sixties
Good guy...man’s man. Probably had the “Badass Mother Fucker” wallet.

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Post by Shatterface » Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:11 pm

I have a confession to make.

Although I am not ginger myself I do carry the ginger gene.

This is why I will never have kids.

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Post by Shatterface » Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:22 pm

I have a pretty large blu-ray collection by most standards (well over a thousand) but I have hardly any musicals.

It's not that I don't enjoy them - I grew up watching them - but I've never gotten around to collecting them and I probably should start building up a library.

What are the essentials I need?

I have The Wizard of Oz, Blues Brothers and The Rocky Horror Picture Show (which I've still never seen!) but that's about it.

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