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Kirbmarc wrote:I don't doubt this one bit. People simply aren't as a selflessly and anti-individualistic cooperative as communism requires them to be. I think that the same is true for pure libertarianism as well, though, since it never happens and states always do have some sort of say in the economy, usually to reward some businesses over others. People simply aren't as purely competitive and individualistic as libertarianism requires them to be: very few people completely refuse help just for the pride of having to succeed or fail on their own.
Worse, they'll grab all the power they can get, form a monopoly and keep all competitors off the market. Until duped consumers gather all their money to pay a mercenary army to get rid of the monopolist, upon which the army becomes the new monopolist.

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ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
VickyCaramel wrote: There is an exception to this which is wave and tidal power because it can be combined with efforts to defend against coastal erosion, reclaim coastline and prevent rivers flooding... yet nobody seems particularly interested in it.
There was research into wave power going on in the UK in the 80s. Unfortunately, when Maggie's govt did some feasibility studies, somebody managed to misplace a decimal point in the calculations and nuclear came out ahead by comparison. How convenient for Maggie.
Apparently the French had a tidal power station running in 1966. I know this because of the mental scarring induced by a chapter in my O-level French textbook about la usine marémotrice. Possibly the most useless French term I was forced to memorise, but I can't forget it.

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MarcusAu wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:My Australia.

[youtube.]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3M_k9kaHWE[/youtube]
As a counterpoint - I did a search for 'Robert Hughes The Fatal Shore' on Youtube - and came up with this excerpt:



[Trigger Warning - for the dramatic music, and I suppose history]

or you could just watch 'Quigley Down Under'
Why the hell is Gandalf reading The Fatal Shore?

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Redneck Gandalf, please - and why not? He has a great reading voice.

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free thoughtpolice wrote:PZ Myers has a post up about Lois CK and the second comment:
Ogvorbis: Swimming without a parachute.
9 November 2017 at 4:45 pm
Well, of course we should doubt every story until there is actual evidence of wrongdoing (oh, wait, isn’t testimony considered evidence? aren’t eyewitness accounts considered evidence?). [...]
Not without corroborative evidence, no, and with prejudice if the witnesses are somehow befriended or otherwise related to the victim.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
VickyCaramel wrote:It seems that by some estimates, as of [current year], all the photovoltaic panels made since the 1970s still haven't produced as much energy as it took to make the damn things in the first place.

https://www.economist.com/news/science- ... olar-power
Solar Panels Now Make More Electricity Than They Use
And by 2020, the solar industry will have completely "paid back" the energy it took to produce the world's panels.
We have been making solar panels since the 70s, and they still aren't in the black? This is frankly embarrassing.

So lets go back to the original point that some of us were making about global warming. We are being presented with a case by the environmental lobby that the situation is desperate and that we must do X, Y and Z. Some of us here are not convinced about the scale of the problem or the proposed solutions. I think it's fairly clear by now that things are not as straightforward as we are often led to believe and we are right to be skeptical. I am not arguing that I have viable solutions, but it's pretty clear by now that neither do you.

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Steven Segal is next on the chopping block.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/portia-der ... arassment/

However one brave woman stood up and filed a lawsuit back in 2015.

And other women mentioned the problem prior to that.
http://uproxx.com/filmdrunk/a-brief-his ... legations/

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Hunt wrote:Perhaps I missed the explanation, but by now has anyone figured out what bizarre wormhole Matt has been caught in that all his posts are double?
Sticky mouse button?

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ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:Very interesting post by Meyers.

Do mirrors not work for some reason in Morris?
Not on vampires presumably.

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deLurch wrote:Steven Segal is next on the chopping block.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/portia-der ... arassment/

However one brave woman stood up and filed a lawsuit back in 2015.

And other women mentioned the problem prior to that.
http://uproxx.com/filmdrunk/a-brief-his ... legations/

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katamari Damassi wrote:
Really? wrote:Louis CK is the latest witch to be identified.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/arts ... nduct.html
I don't care if CK is implicated in genocide. I'll still watch his comedy specials.

This Hollywood sex scandal is getting ridiculous. Kevin Spacey is being erased from a movie that was already filmed. He will be replaced by Christopher Plummer. I'm getting this weird vanishing kommissar vibe from this.

In other weird celebrity news; an obsessive SJW blogger has been spreading the word that Taylor Swift is a nazi because apparently alt-righties like her music and Swift isn't telling them not to. Swift's lawyers sent a cease and desist letter to the mental case and now the ACLU is defending said mental case. As much as I appreciate the ACLU, a nazi is one of the worst things you can call someone. What if this person was telling everyone that Swift was a child rapist? Isn't this slander?
I knew the second Weinstein (who deserved it) fell it would start a firestorm. Hollywood is going to go through a weird period of bloodlessness.

While I hope no daughter of mine has to stand in a room while some guy wanks off, I'd also hope they would confidently tell him to go and finish himself off somewhere else, and never ask again.

Outside of serious sexual assault, these cases are once again making me question people's simple assertiveness skills. Surely if you're on the stand up circuit you've developed some stones?

I knew a fairly famous 80s singer that had backstage party piece: He'd get his dick out and twist his balls around 360 degrees; the whole band and crew would usually be watching.

Should I now claim some sort of trauma?

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feathers wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:I don't doubt this one bit. People simply aren't as a selflessly and anti-individualistic cooperative as communism requires them to be. I think that the same is true for pure libertarianism as well, though, since it never happens and states always do have some sort of say in the economy, usually to reward some businesses over others. People simply aren't as purely competitive and individualistic as libertarianism requires them to be: very few people completely refuse help just for the pride of having to succeed or fail on their own.
Worse, they'll grab all the power they can get, form a monopoly and keep all competitors off the market. Until duped consumers gather all their money to pay a mercenary army to get rid of the monopolist, upon which the army becomes the new monopolist.
Yup. Again it's because people are cooperative enough to form cliques/elites/cartels which punish those who break the pact, evenlh if individually it might be more beneficial for them to break the pact.

All structures of power depends on a Machiavellian scheme of elite cooperation, the pure homo economicus, the Randian hero is as much a fantasy as the New Socialist Man.

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Oh Jesus Fucking Kayless;

[youtubehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX1oYSNPV5k][/youtube]

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Let's try this again


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VickyCaramel wrote:We have been making solar panels since the 70s, and they still aren't in the black? This is frankly embarrassing.
Meanwhile we've been making autos for over a century and they're due to break even never.

I kid a bit, but seriously, this makes sense if you spend more than a billisecond thinking about it. Let's say we start with one solar panel and it takes X years for it to turn an energy profit. The panel itself is expected to last past that date. But before X years have passed, we make another panel. Now our energy "debt" has gone up and the future breakeven date is pushed back, but we're still guaranteed a profit at some point. And if the payoff looks good enough we're incentivized to invest more and build up that debt higher for a higher payoff.

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I'm worried about Steve. Is he allowed out of the basement? Does he still have to drink his wife's piss for breakfast? People need to know.

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Sulman wrote:I'm worried about Steve. Is he allowed out of the basement? Does he still have to drink his wife's piss for breakfast? People need to know.
Long enuf to make Star Trek vids, apparently

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Sulman wrote:I'm worried about Steve. Is he allowed out of the basement? Does he still have to drink his wife's piss for breakfast? People need to know.
"If Steve's wife pisses on his face, and some of the urine splashes on you, it doesn't necessarily make you a piss loving cuck" Dr Richard Carrier, PHD

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feathers wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:I don't doubt this one bit. People simply aren't as a selflessly and anti-individualistic cooperative as communism requires them to be. I think that the same is true for pure libertarianism as well, though, since it never happens and states always do have some sort of say in the economy, usually to reward some businesses over others. People simply aren't as purely competitive and individualistic as libertarianism requires them to be: very few people completely refuse help just for the pride of having to succeed or fail on their own.
Worse, they'll grab all the power they can get, form a monopoly and keep all competitors off the market. Until duped consumers gather all their money to pay a mercenary army to get rid of the monopolist, upon which the army becomes the new monopolist.
That must be occurring in the same alternate reality from your earlier message where the law of supply and demand has been repealed.

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Sulman wrote:While I hope no daughter of mine has to stand in a room while some guy wanks off, I'd also hope they would confidently tell him to go and finish himself off somewhere else, and never ask again.

Outside of serious sexual assault, these cases are once again making me question people's simple assertiveness skills. Surely if you're on the stand up circuit you've developed some stones?
When it comes to Louis, being a comedian and on the road & it coming to the other two comedians, when Louis asked them in the hotel room if he can masturbate while watching them, they didn't claim they said no. In fact they said they thought he was joking.

Classic comedy improv. You never say no. You say, 'yes and...'. I bet those two comedian women said yes, sure, go ahead not expecting him to do it. And when he starts to do it, they probably thought he was playing comedian chicken so they stuck around not to flinch first. And then he finishes. The two women together were never under any real threat, otherwise they would have run the fuck out of there.

All it says is that Louis is one of the more creepy fucks out there.

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fuzzy wrote:Good morning.

https://i.imgur.com/xfrKx8d.jpg
The great thing about digital cameras is that there's no film to be fogged up by radiation - as emitted by, for example, a radioactive yeti.

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deLurch wrote:
Sulman wrote: All it says is that Louis is one of the more creepy fucks out there.
I agree. He's never hidden it - his material is rife with hints he's a self-pitying wanker, in the most literal sense. The shame of it is, his standup and observational repertoire is excellent.

One thing I'll note is in the last couple of years, and towards the end of his TV show, he let a particularly poor blend of identity politics creep into his act, and it felt derivative and a touch pathetic. It wasn't a reflection of the zeitgeist, just a sense of the way the wind was blowing, a trap so many middle-aged people fall into when they stop understanding themselves.

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jugheadnaut wrote:
jet_lagg wrote:
Since there's some confusion over the percentage of renewable sources in overall energy consumption I feel like I'm missing something and want to take a closer look later. That said, just going off the pie chart you were looking at and assuming coal is primarily used to generate electricity, the PV installation on every rooftop plan puts solar into the double digits easily.
Even if the rooftop PV potentially generating 40% of electricity figure is accurate, with electricity only being 16% of total energy production, this would result in just 6.4% of total energy being generated by rooftop solar. Above my top end expectations, but I remain deeply skeptical the 40% figure is feasible. Before getting too lost in the weeds of argumentation though, I should emphasize that I regard solar energy utilization that comes at the expense of coal as an unambiguously good thing.
The 40% figure looks feasible, unless someone can point out some obvious problem with their assumptions. Again, this is all with the technology as it exists right now. We have three case studies just on the board of people that are actually using it today. The proposal is just that we scale it all the way up over a period of decades. If the tech improves (and it will) that's just gravy.

Looking back at the total energy production numbers you're right. I was overestimating how much of the coal percentage went into production of electricity and ballparking from there, but converting the kilowatt-hours to BTUs I get around the 16% figure you're using. Still with that perspective you could get to a point where all the electricity in America is being generated by rooftop solar and say it's "only" providing for a small fraction of our energy needs when from my point of view it's amazing that all of our electricity is now emission free and coming from space we weren't utilizing anyway.

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Sunder wrote:
VickyCaramel wrote:We have been making solar panels since the 70s, and they still aren't in the black? This is frankly embarrassing.
Meanwhile we've been making autos for over a century and they're due to break even never.

I kid a bit, but seriously, this makes sense if you spend more than a billisecond thinking about it. Let's say we start with one solar panel and it takes X years for it to turn an energy profit. The panel itself is expected to last past that date. But before X years have passed, we make another panel. Now our energy "debt" has gone up and the future breakeven date is pushed back, but we're still guaranteed a profit at some point. And if the payoff looks good enough we're incentivized to invest more and build up that debt higher for a higher payoff.
Are you the bastard that has been shooting arrows at all those fast moving turtles?

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Brive1987 wrote:Weird. At school we were taught that Tassie had no abos.
What about Truganini and King Billy - didn't they get a mention?

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fuzzy wrote:Good morning.

https://i.imgur.com/xfrKx8d.jpg
Now you mention it, she does look a bit like Chubby:

https://i2-prod.birminghammail.co.uk/wh ... 0/chub.jpg

I guess we now know

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Ape+lust wrote:
Skepticon wrote:Hello Skepticon world!

We’re very super a lot excited to announce a last minute addition to our lineup: a panel!

Introducing: Diversifying Atheist Voices

Even after years of work on the problem, the atheist movement is still largely represented by white cishet men. We’ve put together a panel of podcasters whose guest lists are more diverse than the movement as a whole. We’ll talk about how and why they do that and whether it’s difficult in any way.
No diversity. Skepticon will fix that. Bring on the panelists!

https://imgur.com/GonrH6R.jpg

And the moderator!

https://imgur.com/x2FC5E7.jpg

So many shades of Sickbed White! Very Diversity! Very Skepticon!
Well, if you read closely, it's diversity by proxy, just one degree removed.

Apparently if you can't assemble actual diversity, assembling people who have been part of a diverse assembly is just as good.

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Sulman wrote:I agree. He's never hidden it - his material is rife with hints he's a self-pitying wanker, in the most literal sense. The shame of it is, his standup and observational repertoire is excellent.

One thing I'll note is in the last couple of years, and towards the end of his TV show, he let a particularly poor blend of identity politics creep into his act, and it felt derivative and a touch pathetic. It wasn't a reflection of the zeitgeist, just a sense of the way the wind was blowing, a trap so many middle-aged people fall into when they stop understanding themselves.
Most people don't take take what comedians say in their routines literally.

That said, although Louis is losing out on a movie right now & maybe a few other issues, his claim to fame is running his own business. So he can still do his comedy routines. He can still film them. And he can still sell that on the internet.

The worst case scenario is that he gets sued for sexual harassment.

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Sulman wrote:I agree. He's never hidden it - his material is rife with hints he's a self-pitying wanker, in the most literal sense. The shame of it is, his standup and observational repertoire is excellent.

One thing I'll note is in the last couple of years, and towards the end of his TV show, he let a particularly poor blend of identity politics creep into his act, and it felt derivative and a touch pathetic. It wasn't a reflection of the zeitgeist, just a sense of the way the wind was blowing, a trap so many middle-aged people fall into when they stop understanding themselves.
Most people don't take take what comedians say in their routines literally.

That said, although Louis is losing out on a movie right now & maybe a few other issues, his claim to fame is running his own business. So he can still do his comedy routines. He can still film them. And he can still sell that on the internet.

The worst case scenario is that he gets sued for sexual harassment.

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MarcusAu wrote:
Sunder wrote:
VickyCaramel wrote:We have been making solar panels since the 70s, and they still aren't in the black? This is frankly embarrassing.
Meanwhile we've been making autos for over a century and they're due to break even never.

I kid a bit, but seriously, this makes sense if you spend more than a billisecond thinking about it. Let's say we start with one solar panel and it takes X years for it to turn an energy profit. The panel itself is expected to last past that date. But before X years have passed, we make another panel. Now our energy "debt" has gone up and the future breakeven date is pushed back, but we're still guaranteed a profit at some point. And if the payoff looks good enough we're incentivized to invest more and build up that debt higher for a higher payoff.
Are you the bastard that has been shooting arrows at all those fast moving turtles?
I had thought about Xeno's Paradox, but this is far more mundane. More akin to any investor who continues to reinvest his profits and dividends into further ventures. A fool would look at his balance sheet after years and conclude "those investments must have all been poor because you're still in debt."

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Zeno*

(I should have looked up the damn spelling before I hit Submit since I wasn't confident.)

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Well crud, I wanted to make sure I was here for Ms Dadabhoy's "Oops" talk at 11:00 and they've moved it to 1:00. Couldn't sleep last night --- it's a problem I've always had, that when I know I'm getting up early to do something I cannot shut down properly, so I cruised up early for the delicious coffee figuring I'd kill the other 2 or 3 hours. So 4 or 5 to kill. Well, Skepticun Ten is in the Maui room before that, and there's a workshop at 10 "Organizing a Lobby Day", and one at noon called "Making ourselves Relevant in the Resistance".

Updated schedule says it is available online at eventsxd.com/download (search for Skepticon 10)

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The AV guys say they're not going to stream any of the workshop talks. I may try to livestream a couple of them as audio only.

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Barbie's Boyfriend wrote:Let's try this again

Gene Roddenberry was not an SJW. He was an ex-pilot, ex-cop who liked to plow actresses and eventually left his wife for one, but kept plowing actresses. And his assistants.

SJW product?

I don't think so.

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Skepticon schedule available without download.

https://www2.eventsxd.com/event/4338/sk ... 0/sessions

I can't find any livestream for skepticon yet.

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fuzzy wrote:The AV guys say they're not going to stream any of the workshop talks. I may try to livestream a couple of them as audio only.
Thanks for your service! What's the vibe like there?

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Sunder wrote:
MarcusAu wrote:
Sunder wrote: Meanwhile we've been making autos for over a century and they're due to break even never.

I kid a bit, but seriously, this makes sense if you spend more than a billisecond thinking about it. Let's say we start with one solar panel and it takes X years for it to turn an energy profit. The panel itself is expected to last past that date. But before X years have passed, we make another panel. Now our energy "debt" has gone up and the future breakeven date is pushed back, but we're still guaranteed a profit at some point. And if the payoff looks good enough we're incentivized to invest more and build up that debt higher for a higher payoff.
Are you the bastard that has been shooting arrows at all those fast moving turtles?
I had thought about Xeno's Paradox, but this is far more mundane. More akin to any investor who continues to reinvest his profits and dividends into further ventures. A fool would look at his balance sheet after years and conclude "those investments must have all been poor because you're still in debt."
The problem is that we are not talking about money, we are talking about CO2 and we are told there is some urgency in addressing this problem. We are also talking about an industry which has a diseconomy of scale due to it's reliance on precious and rare earth metals.

Sure, get solar panels, reduce your electricity bill. But if you are looking for a solution which will save the planet in a hurry, this aint it.

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Ooh Danielle at 2 on PR, Greta at 3 ON COMING OUT

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Based on past form - you may be waiting some time for Heina's talk.

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fuzzy wrote:Well crud, I wanted to make sure I was here for Ms Dadabhoy's "Oops" talk at 11:00 and they've moved it to 1:00. Couldn't sleep last night --- it's a problem I've always had, that when I know I'm getting up early to do something I cannot shut down properly, so I cruised up early for the delicious coffee figuring I'd kill the other 2 or 3 hours. So 4 or 5 to kill. Well, Skepticun Ten is in the Maui room before that, and there's a workshop at 10 "Organizing a Lobby Day", and one at noon called "Making ourselves Relevant in the Resistance".

Updated schedule says it is available online at eventsxd.com/download (search for Skepticon 10)
So, Heina's talk has been moved back.

There's a joke in there, somewhere.

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I'm finding their choice of paper colour to be very triggering.

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Looks like an Australian group is also doing "Skepticon."
A SAD STORY IN THREE TWEETS
And this is literally from the official YouTube Twitter account:

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Reminder that it's not Impostor Syndrome if you really are a fraud.

Also Impostor has no 'e' in it.

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Really? wrote:And this is literally from the official YouTube Twitter account:
Looks like Youtube's getting shit on for trying to virtue signal using the image of someone who's channel has been demonetized by their shitty algorithm.

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VickyCaramel wrote: We have been making solar panels since the 70s, and they still aren't in the black? This is frankly embarrassing.
If we attached a magneto to your goalpost shifts, we could generate enough energy to power the planet.
So lets go back to the original point that some of us were making about global warming. We are being presented with a case by the environmental lobby that the situation is desperate and that we must do X, Y and Z. Some of us here are not convinced about the scale of the problem or the proposed solutions. I think it's fairly clear by now that things are not as straightforward as we are often led to believe and we are right to be skeptical. I am not arguing that I have viable solutions, but it's pretty clear by now that neither do you.
It's clear that global warming is an extremely bad problem, with dire consequences that will entail not just suffering and privation, but which will be extremely expensive, and that time is rapidly running out to avoid or dampen those consequences. It turns out climate scientists' projections have underestimated the pace of change. If you were skeptical about the FUD you're swallowing whole, this would be evident to you. As Katamari observed, it's evident to Alaskans. It's evident to commercial fishermen like my brother-in-law, to my conservative mormon hay broker, and to all of us in Nor Cal whose fire season has gone berserk.

Most electricity in the US is produced with coal. I think everybody here agrees that coal is nasty. The primary alternate sources are nuclear and solar. I'm not against nuclear per se, but it compares unfavorably to solar on every score when honestly measured, especially true costs. You've acknowledged the corruption and inefficiency of the nuclear industry. The more critical factor, though, is roll-out time. A nuclear plant to power 35,000 homes requires massive upfront investment and lengthy construction schedule meaning it won't go online for a decade or more. In contrast, 35,000 home owners can readily install solar panels sufficient to cover their entire household electric needs. And that's true nearly everywhere, not just the sunny south. Doable in 2-3 years.

Solar is not a panacea. It's disingenuous to whine, 'solar can't cover all energy consumption', then gish gallop to 'biomass can't cover all energy consumption', then snark 'how ya gonna run your car on wind - with a sail?' And seriously, saying we'll have no power at night with solar because the sun goes down at night, is just completely fucking retarded.

And yeah, there will have to be changes in lifestyle and in the economy. But they are far less disruptive than those that will be brought about by the full effects of climate change. Sloth, indulgence, ennui, and a refusal to adjust are behind all global warming denial. Americans today would've surrendered after Pearl Harbor. Britons today wouldn't want to disrupt their routines and creature comforts to even fight the Battle of Britain.

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fuzzy wrote:Good morning.

https://i.imgur.com/xfrKx8d.jpg
I was about to take a nap, having been up for 2 days. Then... OH SHIT!

HAHA! A half-second sooner or later and that shot wouldn't be nearly so great. Kind of like this:

https://imgur.com/RTK5YSC.jpg

The pic on the right won the Pulitzer. The pic on the left was snapped too soon. No prize. Not nearly as famous.

You caught her in a weird squat-grimace. A very useable squat-grimace. Many, many thanks, fuzzy! :dance: :lol:

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The Australian Skepticon was the one cancelled yesterday, wasn't it?

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Man, I hope the Skepticon crew posts videos, even if they don't stream. It'd be criminal if a Skepticon happened and no one got to see it.

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Nothing a woman does is ever her responsibility. Women have no agency.

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VickyCaramel wrote: The problem is that we are not talking about money, we are talking about CO2 and we are told there is some urgency in addressing this problem.
Both the money and CO2 'deficits' have been addressed. Why do you continue to gish gallop from one falsehood to the other?

We are also talking about an industry which has a diseconomy of scale due to it's reliance on precious and rare earth metals.
"Rare" is an archaic name for them. Aluminum used be considered rare.

The biggest problem is the Chinese have monopolized the market. That's an economic and foreign policy issue.

Recycling can also be improved, and new "common metal" solutions are under development:
https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/pres ... nable.html

Far more promising than thorium reactor research, which has come up with big fat zeroes for the past 40 years.

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VickyCaramel wrote: The problem is that we are not talking about money, we are talking about CO2 and we are told there is some urgency in addressing this problem.
Both the money and CO2 'deficits' have been addressed. Why do you continue to gish gallop from one falsehood to the other?

We are also talking about an industry which has a diseconomy of scale due to it's reliance on precious and rare earth metals.
"Rare" is an archaic name for them. Aluminum used be considered rare.

The biggest problem is the Chinese have monopolized the market. That's an economic and foreign policy issue.

Recycling can also be improved, and new "common metal" solutions are under development:
https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/pres ... nable.html

Far more promising than thorium reactor research, which has come up with big fat zeroes for the past 40 years.

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Ape+lust wrote:Man, I hope the Skepticon crew posts videos, even if they don't stream. It'd be criminal if a Skepticon happened and no one got to see it.
They'll be streaming tomorrow's talks, I'm pretty sure. The AV guys sounded pretty fluid, like it's possible they might do some workshop that happens in the main aud. I'm about to try to go live.

cross fingers...

https://youtu.be/s9eFOOLgBW4

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It's been a while...

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Happy Friday, Pitches!

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Ape+lust wrote:Man, I hope the Skepticon crew posts videos, even if they don't stream. It'd be criminal if a Skepticon happened and no one got to see it.
They'll be streaming tomorrow's talks, I'm pretty sure. The AV guys sounded pretty fluid, like it's possible they might do some workshop that happens in the main aud. I'm about to try to go live.

cross fingers...

https://youtu.be/s9eFOOLgBW4

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fuzzy wrote:
Ape+lust wrote:Man, I hope the Skepticon crew posts videos, even if they don't stream. It'd be criminal if a Skepticon happened and no one got to see it.
They'll be streaming tomorrow's talks, I'm pretty sure. The AV guys sounded pretty fluid, like it's possible they might do some workshop that happens in the main aud. I'm about to try to go live.

cross fingers...

https://youtu.be/s9eFOOLgBW4
I'm hearing a circlejerk, starring Greta. I think it's working :D

Man, these idiots love making grandiose plans and doing nothing else. Year after year, the same old shit. Atheism Plus never died!

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Oh shit, pictures. Win! :clap:

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Ape+lust wrote:
fuzzy wrote:Good morning.

https://i.imgur.com/xfrKx8d.jpg
I was about to take a nap, having been up for 2 days. Then... OH SHIT!

HAHA! A half-second sooner or later and that shot wouldn't be nearly so great. Kind of like this:

https://imgur.com/RTK5YSC.jpg

The pic on the right won the Pulitzer. The pic on the left was snapped too soon. No prize. Not nearly as famous.

You caught her in a weird squat-grimace. A very useable squat-grimace. Many, many thanks, fuzzy! :dance: :lol:
That second image has been shooped: this is the original:

https://lastfm-img2.akamaized.net/i/u/7 ... a43f8e.jpg

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