If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

Any reason. It doesn't matter. He can fire him because has three nipples. Really. ANY reason means ANY reason. This isn't hard. The FBI director serves the President. The President is the elected Executive of the United States.

d4m10n wrote:

John D wrote:

d4m10n wrote: The President took an oath to uphold the constitution, and has already found himself stymied on occasion as a result of promulgating orders which (arguably) violate provisions thereof.

So.... you want to change the subject for some reason? You think that any president that makes an order that is overturned by the SCOTUS is impeachable? So... Obama should have been impeached for his illegal immigrant order? Haha. Please say something reasonable.

It seemed to me that you were arguing that the President has zero constitutional checks on his actions, so long as those actions are confined to the executive branch. This is simply not how it works.

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shoutinghorse wrote:Openly back Hamas, Hezbollah, IRA, Black Lives Matter, Stalinism & AntiFa, but don't you dare share tweet jokes about Muslims or Women if you want to become an MP.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3569001/u ... d-muslims/

Really? wrote:It is depressing that Trump is truly putting barriers between Pit brothers and sisters.

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Scented Nectar wrote:The latest... the leaker leaked more than Trump actually talked about during the meeting. The whitehouse is freaking out. The extra info was indeed classified and the leak has jeopardized some people. They are scrambling to fix that. They had to blast the tv in the press room so that the press wouldn't overhear the yelling after it started.

Mike Cernovich has a live stream. The link is temporary right now, but you can still rewind to the beginning while it's up and it'll stay up for a while after it's done. It's at:
[.youtube][/youtube]
The permanent copy will be posted later sometime at:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC87YBe ... w5tcCxsXgQ

How President Obama Made Syria An Unfixable Quagmire

.... The Los Angeles Times reported yesterday that Syrian opposition forces backed by the CIA and the Pentagon are now fighting each other. (Buzzfeed’s Mike Giglio actually wrote this story more than a month ago, with the simple but true headline: “America Is In A Proxy War With Itself In Syria.”) The Syrian conflagration has entered the phase where pretty much everyone shoots at everyone else ....

Palestinians: The Threats Trump Needs to Hear

... A new policy document recently published by Hamas says that the Islamic terror movement accepts a Palestinian state in the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem, but without recognizing Israel's right to exist. Translation: Hamas seeks a Palestinian state that would be used as a launching pad to destroy Israel. ....

John D wrote:Just as a reminder. I love to argue and I change my mind about stuff all the time. Part of the reason I am here is so you assholes can yell at me and fix my mistakes. Sometimes you are right... and... well.... sometimes not so much. Haha. There is so much activity on this "leak" story that I can't keep up right now. I am having trouble find the original WaPo story to see what the exact claim is.... and how that lines upo with what McMaster has said.

John D wrote:Just as a reminder. I love to argue and I change my mind about stuff all the time. Part of the reason I am here is so you assholes can yell at me and fix my mistakes. Sometimes you are right... and... well.... sometimes not so much. Haha. There is so much activity on this "leak" story that I can't keep up right now. I am having trouble find the original WaPo story to see what the exact claim is.... and how that lines upo with what McMaster has said.

Steersman wrote:

John D wrote:Just as a reminder. I love to argue and I change my mind about stuff all the time. Part of the reason I am here is so you assholes can yell at me and fix my mistakes. Sometimes you are right... and... well.... sometimes not so much. Haha. There is so much activity on this "leak" story that I can't keep up right now. I am having trouble find the original WaPo story to see what the exact claim is.... and how that lines upo with what McMaster has said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... bcb5796c40

Kind of get the impression that all the other newsrags are just quoting WaPo - only they had contact with the leaker.

John D wrote: That can't be the original story because it has a time of 7:45pm yesterday. The original WaPo article hit yesterday afternoon cause I watched the aspie WaPo reporter on Newshour at 6:00pm.

And yes.... all other media sources are simply quoting from the original WaPo article.

John D wrote:I was simply saying that the POTUS has full authority to legally fire the FBI director for any reason (because he doesn't swallow - for example). The power to remove a president does not come from the FBI. It comes from the Senate which can impeach him/her and remove them from office with a 2/3 vote. The constitutions is not in crisis.... only pinko uni professors are in crisis.

There's also a lot of ridiculous bullshit about "golden showers" or Russia blackmailing Trump with tapes of him fucking Russian hookers or Putin personally ordering the hacking of Clinton's emails. The US need some kind of independent commission to look into what's going on, answer to questions and separate the bullshit from what's more credible.

I don’t believe there is a conspiracy, or that our president is a Russian mole. Instead, I accept the “he’s a stupid man” theory.

Really? wrote:

John D wrote: That can't be the original story because it has a time of 7:45pm yesterday. The original WaPo article hit yesterday afternoon cause I watched the aspie WaPo reporter on Newshour at 6:00pm.

And yes.... all other media sources are simply quoting from the original WaPo article.

The timestamps on online news posts are irrelevant because they change every time the author(s) change the piece. Here's an archive of the article stamped 5:01.

http://archive.is/25QQx

Trump went on to discuss aspects of the threat that the United States only learned through the espionage capabilities of a key partner. He did not reveal the specific intelligence gathering method, but described how the Islamic State was pursuing elements of a specific plot and how much harm such an attack could cause under varying circumstances. Most alarmingly, officials said, Trump revealed the city in the Islamic State’s territory where the U.S. intelligence partner detected the threat.

The Washington Post is withholding most plot details, including the name of the city, at the urging of officials who warned that revealing them would jeopardize important intelligence capabilities.

“Everyone knows this stream is very sensitive and the idea of sharing it at this level of granularity with the Russians is troubling,” said a former senior U.S. counterterrorism official who also worked closely with members of the Trump national security team. He and others spoke on condition of anonymity, citing the sensitivity of the subject.

The identification of the location was seen as particularly problematic, officials said, because Russia could use that detail to help identify the U.S. ally or intelligence capability involved. Officials said that the capability could be useful for other purposes, possibly providing intelligence on Russia’s presence in Syria. Moscow and would be keenly interested in identifying that source and possibly disrupting it.

Russia and the United States both regard the Islamic State as an enemy and share limited information about terrorist threats. But the two nations have competing agendas in Syria, where Moscow has deployed military assets and personnel to support Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

“Russia could identify our sources or techniques,” the senior U.S. official said. A former intelligence official who handled high-level intelligence on Russia said that given the clues Trump provided, “I don’t think that it would be that hard [for Russian spy services] to figure this out.”

At a more fundamental level, the information wasn’t the United States’ to provide to others. Under the rules of espionage, governments — and even individual agencies — are given significant control over whether and how the information they gather is disseminated even after it has been shared. Violating that practice undercuts trust considered essential to sharing secrets.

The officials declined to identify the ally, but said it is one that has previously voiced frustration with Washington’s inability to safeguard sensitive information related to Iraq and Syria.

“If that partner learned we’d given this to Russia without their knowledge or asking first that is a blow to that relationship,” the U.S. official said.

Really? wrote: From your link:

I’ve written a bit about my own body image struggles, such as how wearing certain kinds of outfits helps me feel better about my body. To some degree, this is a normal body art practice; the self is the first audience, and we generally want to wear what makes us feel/look good.

How the hell do these people type this shit with a straight face? They call this scholarship.

Wait, so clothing can affect how a person feels about their body? If someone is overweight, cramming their body into ill-fitting clothing can make them feel bad? If a woman is slim, she can feel good if she slips into a perfectly fitted dress?

Brive1987 wrote:I'm assuming PZ still holds to the idea that the old school big tent "skeptic leadership" conspired to keep atheism out of TAM etc and is a liberal cabal.

He would however like to set the record straight on Trump.

I don’t believe there is a conspiracy, or that our president is a Russian mole. Instead, I accept the “he’s a stupid man” theory.

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:Boys and girls and those on the fence, I've started a separate Trump thread. C'mon down and praise or condemn, before the powers that be grow weary of talkin' 'bout our Cheeto in Chief.
viewtopic.php?f=29&t=514

Kirbmarc wrote:[youtube][/youtube]

MarcusAu wrote:It's always about Cthulhu, giant squid and kraken get no love (at least from most people).

Has anyone read Kraken by China Mieville?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... _cover.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraken_(novel)

It's a fun story of London, giant squid and the end of the world.

Scented Nectar wrote:

Kirbmarc wrote:

Scented Nectar wrote: I'm still waiting for Trump to even do something stupid. Everyone wants to push that narrative, but there's nothing solid to back it up.

Talking about state secrets in a more or less informal meeting with representatives of a foreign country, without at least having checked what you're going to say with your intelligence agencies, is pretty stupid. If Obama had done it Trump would had turned it into a meme about "Crooked Barry".

I think there's a lot of smoke and still not enough of a fire when it comes to illegal actions, but the threshold for calling something stupid is much lower, and this was a stupid move no matter how you spin it.

Since he did nothing illegal, then he did not spill any info that he's not allowed to at his discretion. If Obama had done it, absolutely nothing would have happened. No one would have even thought it worth mentioning.

Steersman wrote:

Scented Nectar wrote:The latest... the leaker leaked more than Trump actually talked about during the meeting. The whitehouse is freaking out. The extra info was indeed classified and the leak has jeopardized some people. They are scrambling to fix that. They had to blast the tv in the press room so that the press wouldn't overhear the yelling after it started.

Mike Cernovich has a live stream. The link is temporary right now, but you can still rewind to the beginning while it's up and it'll stay up for a while after it's done. It's at:
[.youtube][/youtube]
The permanent copy will be posted later sometime at:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC87YBe ... w5tcCxsXgQ

Interesting. Gather some people, even some here ..., are not too impressed with Gorilla Mindset, but seems plausible. Bit of a "problematic" suggestion (early on at the beginning) that McMasters has hired a pro-Hamas supporter - not sure whether the "Intelligence" Community knows whether they are ["incoming cliche!"] on foot or horseback. Quite a good post in The Federalist about a year ago that emphasizes the point:

How President Obama Made Syria An Unfixable Quagmire

.... The Los Angeles Times reported yesterday that Syrian opposition forces backed by the CIA and the Pentagon are now fighting each other. (Buzzfeed’s Mike Giglio actually wrote this story more than a month ago, with the simple but true headline: “America Is In A Proxy War With Itself In Syria.”) The Syrian conflagration has entered the phase where pretty much everyone shoots at everyone else ....

Had hoped that Trump at least was prepared to recognize that Islam itself is the problem, but that seems moot:
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Not that some aren't trying to get his attention - mules, two by fours up alongside the ears, and all that:

Palestinians: The Threats Trump Needs to Hear

... A new policy document recently published by Hamas says that the Islamic terror movement accepts a Palestinian state in the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem, but without recognizing Israel's right to exist. Translation: Hamas seeks a Palestinian state that would be used as a launching pad to destroy Israel. ....

shoutinghorse wrote:

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:Boys and girls and those on the fence, I've started a separate Trump thread. C'mon down and praise or condemn, before the powers that be grow weary of talkin' 'bout our Cheeto in Chief.
viewtopic.php?f=29&t=514

Thank fuck for that. All this Trump bashing & 'Russian Agent' bollocks is getting rather tedious to be honest.

Brive1987 wrote: Indeed. There are important issues to consider. Just how "terrible" Becks and in what way?

http://i.imgur.com/yF7twbs.jpg

My guess is that Adam woke up when he correlated increased video editing demands with the appearance of BJ teeth.

Well, whether people are impressed or not, Cernovich keeps getting things right.

free thoughtpolice wrote:Scented Nectar wrote:

Well, whether people are impressed or not, Cernovich keeps getting things right.

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Good thing we have reliable sources like Cernovich, David Seaman, Alex Jones so we don't have to rely on "journalists" likie the MSM. :roll:

free thoughtpolice wrote:Scented Nectar wrote:

Well, whether people are impressed or not, Cernovich keeps getting things right.

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Good thing we have reliable sources like Cernovich, David Seaman, Alex Jones so we don't have to rely on "journalists" likie the MSM. :roll:

Steersman wrote:LoL. So that means that his story about the WhiteHouse & the WaPo article is wrong?

Brive1987 wrote:Adam here, Adam there, Adam bloody everywhere.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/imag ... qsO6H_qibw

deLurch wrote:

Steersman wrote:LoL. So that means that his story about the WhiteHouse & the WaPo article is wrong?

Not necessarily. But it means you should be highly skeptical of Cernovich's fact collection, and evidence evaluation capabilities.

“I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go,” Mr. Trump told Mr. Comey, according to the memo. “He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.”

John D wrote:The quote is interesting. It is not a direct threat. I would use similar language in a business negotiation:

“I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go,” Mr. Trump told Mr. Comey, according to the memo. “He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.”

Trump tweeted on Friday that "James Comey better hope that there are no 'tapes' of our conversations before he starts leaking to the press!"

Really? wrote:[img.]http://www.anonymong.org/wp-content/upl ... png?189db0[/img]

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The tweet he's citing:

John D wrote:The quote is interesting. It is not a direct threat. I would use similar language in a business negotiation:

“I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go,” Mr. Trump told Mr. Comey, according to the memo. “He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.”

I'll be in Grosse Pointe on Wednesday, competing in a darts tournament at the barroom of Metal Workers' Local 643. Come watch me play darts, drink domestic beer on tap, and talk about the marxist dialectic and white privilege. Or just come and watch me drink myself into a stupor then get the shit kicked out of me after I take a wild swing at a metal worker in a MAGA cap.

Kirbmarc wrote:

Brive1987 wrote:I'm assuming PZ still holds to the idea that the old school big tent "skeptic leadership" conspired to keep atheism out of TAM etc and is a liberal cabal.

He would however like to set the record straight on Trump.

I don’t believe there is a conspiracy, or that our president is a Russian mole. Instead, I accept the “he’s a stupid man” theory.

I tend to agree with PeeZie on this one. More "narcissistic, reckless and uninformed" than stupid, though. By the way, isn't stupid "ableist"? You're a shitlord, PZ! :lol:

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:Dan Arel could pull out of his career death spiral by taking a page out of Dr. Richard Carrier, Ph.D.'s playbook:

I'll be in Grosse Pointe on Wednesday, competing in a darts tournament at the barroom of Metal Workers' Local 643. Come watch me play darts, drink domestic beer on tap, and talk about the marxist dialectic and white privilege. Or just come and watch me drink myself into a stupor then get the shit kicked out of me after I take a wild swing at a metal worker in a MAGA cap.

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:Dan Arel could pull out of his career death spiral by taking a page out of Dr. Richard Carrier, Ph.D.'s playbook:

I'll be in Grosse Pointe on Wednesday, competing in a darts tournament at the barroom of Metal Workers' Local 643. Come watch me play darts, drink domestic beer on tap, and talk about the marxist dialectic and white privilege. Or just come and watch me drink myself into a stupor then get the shit kicked out of me after I take a wild swing at a metal worker in a MAGA cap.

He's going to talk marxist shit in a blue-collar bar...dear lord, let there be video, amen.

Kirbmarc wrote:Jerry Coyne has been called a white supremacist. Jerry Coyne. Let that sink in for a minute.

"He will meet and have lunch with leaders of more than 50 Muslim countries, where he will deliver an inspiring, direct speech on the need to confront radical ideology and the president's hopes for a peaceful vision of Islam," National Security Advisor HR McMaster told reporters.

jet_lagg wrote:

Shatterface wrote:
wmdkitty couldn't make $10 on a dock full of syphilitic sailors.

http://i.imgur.com/Muq22dy.png

Bravo, sir. :lol: :clap:

John D wrote: Wait! Grosse Pointe is one of the most exclusive areas in Michigan. Tons of old money. The bar is probably full of young rich commies from wealthy families.

AndrewV69 wrote:This was mentioned here already. Right?
thehindu.com/news/international/trump-to-give-speech-on-islam-in-saudi-arabia/article18469333.ece]Trump to give speech on Islam in Saudi Arabia

"He will meet and have lunch with leaders of more than 50 Muslim countries, where he will deliver an inspiring, direct speech on the need to confront radical ideology and the president's hopes for a peaceful vision of Islam," National Security Advisor HR McMaster told reporters.

I got high hopes I am going ROFLMAO. Do not let me down your orangeness!

Guest_84d94f98 wrote:

AndrewV69 wrote:This was mentioned here already. Right?
thehindu.com/news/international/trump-to-give-speech-on-islam-in-saudi-arabia/article18469333.ece]Trump to give speech on Islam in Saudi Arabia

"He will meet and have lunch with leaders of more than 50 Muslim countries, where he will deliver an inspiring, direct speech on the need to confront radical ideology and the president's hopes for a peaceful vision of Islam," National Security Advisor HR McMaster told reporters.

I got high hopes I am going ROFLMAO. Do not let me down your orangeness!

I would hate to be on Trump's security team.

If Trump leaves office before his term is finished, it won't be because he is impeached. I thought odds were higher of a crack-pot radical leftist taking him out. But when he goes tromping over to the Middle East to talk about Islam, I can't help but see matters going wrong. The guy has balls of brass. And I bet all of the insiders who want to see him gone are not trying to talk him out of it.

I hope Pence is up to the task of taking over. Not looking forward to his stance on LGBT rights.

-Soylent

deLurch wrote: But a lawyer? He saw that "evidence" and swallowed it whole? I generally thought he was OK, if not a little gun-ho. It really does call into question his ability to evaluate information, leaks and sources he receives.

John D wrote: Wait! Grosse Pointe is one of the most exclusive areas in Michigan. Tons of old money. The bar is probably full of young rich commies from wealthy families.

Ape+lust wrote:I don't know what the word is for taking a break from an unending break, but I don't think it's vacation.

http://imgur.com/VtiR35C.jpg

AndrewV69 wrote:

Kirbmarc wrote:Jerry Coyne has been called a white supremacist. Jerry Coyne. Let that sink in for a minute.

Yep. Also apparently people like Razib Khan and Ayaan Hirsi Ali are also "white supremacist".

Seems to me that the term "white supremacist" as used by the usual suspects, means people who will explore forbidden topics and come to conclusions that are contrary to their dogma.

What the wingnuts apparently fail to realize is that to "normal" people they come across as ridiculous as well as revealing that they are ideologues.

Dunno about you guys, but to me the term ideologue is a damming pejorative. It says you are a waste of space and the world is a better place once you leave it.

paddybrown wrote:

AndrewV69 wrote:

Kirbmarc wrote:Jerry Coyne has been called a white supremacist. Jerry Coyne. Let that sink in for a minute.

Yep. Also apparently people like Razib Khan and Ayaan Hirsi Ali are also "white supremacist".

Seems to me that the term "white supremacist" as used by the usual suspects, means people who will explore forbidden topics and come to conclusions that are contrary to their dogma.

What the wingnuts apparently fail to realize is that to "normal" people they come across as ridiculous as well as revealing that they are ideologues.

Dunno about you guys, but to me the term ideologue is a damming pejorative. It says you are a waste of space and the world is a better place once you leave it.

When you've decided that literally everything that is, was or ever could be is racist, the word "racist" no longer has much impact, and nobody takes any notice when you accuse them of being racists. Hence "white supremacist". Give it six months, that'll have lost it's sting and anyone who's not an SJW will probably be genocide advocates, and from there it's only a short step to planet devourers and Lovecraftian elder gods.

Bhurzum wrote:Tennessee outaws BLM...

http://dailyheadlines.com/tennessee-is- ... -campuses/

No idea how true/accurate this is as it's the only article I can find on the subject. Perhaps more info will appear later today.