HunnyBunny wrote:I have no idea what the Aneris / Nazi drama is - any chance of a TL:DR? Yes, I realise I could go back and read the last 50(?) pages for enlightenment. I've been busy & I was always a Cliff Notes kind of gal.
TL;DR: Don't believe anything Kirbmarc claims about me, and the "let me translate what Aneris means" rubbish should rise suspicion, when every second post by me is pointing out that I neither believe what he claims I do, nor meant it if he understood it that way. This is a product of his strawmanning, which is because over the course of discussion, he actually moved closer to my point of view, but to justify this bizarre discussion, he had to artificially increase the distance by strawmanning what I allegedly believe.
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Longer Version: I also apologized when in the heat of battle I expressed myself badly and was understood differently than what I meant (I don't believe I did, but if this is the case, it should be no reason to get hung up on it). He acknowledged this, and we seemed to move on, but he kept going back whenever Sargon, Dave "Computing Forever", or Lauren Southern had a sudden diarrhoea over his PR plan and apologia (some of that very recent, so he could accept this new information and alter his position gracefully, but doesn't).
Instead, he does his strawman thing: If he approaches my point of view (e.g. accepting the Reichsbürger was a Neo Nazi, Sargon really is right wing etc), but wants to maintain the illusion of being correct all along, he strawmans what I was allegedly saying.
By now it hinges on what "Alt" before Alt Right means. He actually gotten around that far. By now, it looks reasonable to put Sargon, Dave "Computing Forever", or Lauren Southern into the Alt Right camp (campaigning for Le Pen, sharing Daily Stormer, Pettibone/Cernovich connections etc). Hence, Kirbmarc needs to go meta-topic and reaches for something out of the 235 pages, which is also part Gish Gallop, since there's context and the discussion went from there already (including clarifications he long accepted, which tells you what kind of character he is). And hence, here we go again! Hence, the Nazi thing. To ratinoal people, this must look utterly mad. You cannot force other people to believe something when they themselves
insist that they don't believe this, and more than once. But of course, Kirby's has invested deeply into that now, and so he presses on.
The context of the Neo Nazi was a guest on a shared stream, who was presented by Sargon/Cullen/Kraut as a mere "shitposter". I called rubbish on that, which started this all. Service Dog denied this, and then Kirby denied it, but of course, the facts flew into their face in these instances, too. Service Dog then moved to troll, and made clear again that he hates me all along, and I put him on ignore. Hence, Kirby took over, strawed up again, and invented entire narratives what this stream was allegedly about, and what I allegedly believe. And so on.
By now, Sargon also admitted that he follows the Alt Right meme strategy (as described by political commentators all along), which Sargon puts to use for Le Pen. That should also set the Kekistan thing into perspective. For example. It's not an unreasonable position, at least.
In sum, as often, it's not worth anything when the discussion is such toxic and baboonish that it poisons the well anyway, not matter what. I resigned from mod status, to allow people to ignore me (the closest thing to banhammering me, theWrongthinker), and I myself put Kirbmarc on ignore, to take the heat out of the situation, but of course saw that it does nothing.
What do people expect? After years of crying wolf, people will some day ignore a real wolf. Sargon might endorse the AFD in the German election, or -- again -- this is a reasonable assumption by now. This would then close the circle a second time (cf. Reichsbürger who are in that general corner).
