https://m.popkey.co/3fc93c/Ve9Y3.gifApe+lust wrote:I have no idea what he's gotten himself into. Take a few deep breaths first, because you might cringe hard enough to break something.CommanderTuvok wrote:What the fuck is this I keep hearing about Bill Bye, going all SJW on gender and stuff?
I presume this is some sort of American TV show shite?
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Surely you can't be serious.BoxNDox wrote:
The original Branch Dividian compound was in La Verne, California, only a few miles from where I am now.
No, I think he is mistaken. I am pretty sure they were in Milwaukee .Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Surely you can't be serious.BoxNDox wrote:
The original Branch Dividian compound was in La Verne, California, only a few miles from where I am now.
Really? wrote:Wow. What hath Plait wrought?
The message of this segment is that if you offer someone sex and they say no, just keep asking and making physical contact with them until you get what you want.
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I think it's really helping reinforce the religious-right's "gays are trying to convert our children" meme.MarcusAu wrote:I dunno - it seems to be preaching a message of general tolerance.
Like Barney the Dinosaur for adults.
Perhaps that's the problem.
That's what I remember as well. Those were happy days.HelpingHand wrote:No, I think he is mistaken. I am pretty sure they were in Milwaukee .Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Surely you can't be serious.BoxNDox wrote:
The original Branch Dividian compound was in La Verne, California, only a few miles from where I am now.
Bah, fuck that. These are the same psychos who tell us that "Baby, It's Cold Outside" is a rape narrative.MarcusAu wrote:I dunno - it seems to be preaching a message of general tolerance.
Like Barney the Dinosaur for adults.
Perhaps that's the problem.
BoxNDox wrote: The original Branch Dividian compound was in La Verne, California, only a few miles from where I am now.
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Surely you can't be serious.
HelpingHand wrote:No, I think he is mistaken. I am pretty sure they were in Milwaukee .
Oh, you guys are talking about that 70's show.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:That's what I remember as well. Those were happy days.
When you complain to your wife that the shirt is not the same as pictured online, then you have to make that case, not your wife showing that there is no difference. You have to show how something exist, not she has to show how something does not exist. With that out the way, ...jet_lagg wrote:Very nice. You accuse someone of being alt-right, promoting a Neo-nazi agenda and such, and the burden of proof is on them. You've got a wonderfully twisted concept of what proving a negative means.Aneris wrote: I don't even know how to argue with that. When you assert such views are somehow at odds with her “real” political views, then you show this — not I. And how am I to demonstrate what isn't there, namely inconsistencies between alleged “triggering leftists” and her “real views”? Proving a negative and such?
Mea culpa this, goal post shifting that, it's quite clear that this is some sort of taboo you are defending with desperation. Not only is it not important how Wikipedia sorts these people, I also know that political writings on such matters are often infested by SJWs. She is in the Alt Right category because she belongs there, which was shown by a plethora of evidence, produced by herself. I know, you just can't hold more than one piece of evidence in your head, and you just can't do basic inference.jet_lagg wrote:Mea culpa. I was looking at her political affiliations which are more prominently displayed. You are correct though. Wikipedia has category lists, and Lauren Southern appears on the list for alt-right, as does the gay Jew Milo Yiannopoulos. Fine bunch of white supremacists these alt-righters are. All I can say is wikipedia is just as shiite as I'd thought they were and you are breathtakingly desperate for taking their word at face value.Aneris wrote:Your Wikipedia denial is even more bizarre. There are categories, at the bottom, she was listed under Alt Right. That's a fact. If it changed in the meantime, the logs would reveal it.
jet_lagg wrote:Trying to tar someone for appearing at a certain online venue while posting on the fucking slymepit has to be the single most insane thing I've seen someone do this year. And I follow the lives of people like Daniel Muscatto for fun.Aneris wrote:She appeared as first guest on Pettibone's channel:
First off, I had no problem with pepe memes or people who share them, e.g. Chris Raygun. Nice try again. You think I don't see your cheap tricks? Mea Culpa again? Secondly, edgelords don't want to pull in neutrals, and shitposting is exactly the opposite of what you allege. Since when is trolling useful for winning over neutrals? and win over to what? Here you reveal your tribalism and you probably believe in this “Culture War”. People who are into Culture War are obviously identitarian keyboard warriors, ie. basically SJWs.jet_lagg wrote:I can't speak to their motives, but mine are to work people into a frothing mess over the existential threat of cartoon frogs and creeping Nazi agendas (much as you're now doing), then quietly pull in neutrals to point out how insane you look. It's pretty remarkable the kinds of change that come over people when they learn the white supremacist threat people have been wailing about is actually a bunch of socially conservative libertarians who will calmly explain to you why they think 90% of the population would be better off and happier in monogamous, heterosexual relationships and going to church every Sunday.Aneris wrote:So, Sargon and Southern want to look like Alt Right, because reasons, and when they do, then … what exactly?
Defending a weird and extreme view, utter reliance on Wikipedia, long dogmatic screeds and feeling self-assuredly right despite many diverse people pointing out problems...that's full Steersman.Sulman wrote:Aneris can you do a 'uname -r' for me? I think you've had the same kernel patch as Steers.
I gave you that because it was something incontrovertible that I missed. If you'd bothered to follow along you'd see I'd prefaced this all by saying it wouldn't make a difference if what you were saying about the wikipedia page was correct or not. So now me sticking to my original stance is goalpost shifting. I was annoyed at Service Dog for calling you stupid when history shows you clearly aren't, but I'm now well and truly understanding his frustration. You're not stupid, you're just playing at it so you can pretend like it's incomprehensible people might align on one political axis but not on others.Aneris wrote: Mea culpa this, goal post shifting that, it's quite clear that this is some sort of taboo you are defending with desperation. Not only is it not important how Wikipedia sorts these people, I also know that political writings on such matters are often infested by SJWs. She is in the Alt Right category because she belongs there, which was shown by a plethora of evidence, produced by herself. I know, you just can't hold more than one piece of evidence in your head, and you just can't do basic inference.
So Bill thinks that if we all had orgies and lots of uncommitted fun-sex we would create an enlightened perfect world. Got it! Free love fun fucking for everyone! and Bill says COOL! haha. This is an epic disaster.shoutinghorse wrote:Really? wrote:Wow. What hath Plait wrought?
The message of this segment is that if you offer someone sex and they say no, just keep asking and making physical contact with them until you get what you want.
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Bill Nye the Science Guy .. I think we have just witnessed him flush his illustrious career down the khazi. WTF was he thinking when he agreed to put his name to this shite?? :doh:
MarcusAu wrote:Wasn't there a theory that once you get people to commit to a fantastic proposition - eg Xenu and the volcanoes, or Jesus coming back from the dead - it strengthens group cohesion? Perhaps by creating a strong in group / out group dynamic and defining a purity test.
Similarly, people on the left could be doing the same thing by getting people to agree on the 57 varieties of gender (or whatever the currently fashionable Po-Mo concept is).
And the hack works whether you are consciously manipulating people or not.
Actually, I think that the Gnostics (and mystery religions in general) may have been doing this sort of thing all along.
I liked both until they resorted to insults and blocking. Aneris waving the association fallacy around as though it actually defends her views is more sad than funny. Apparently Aneris didn't get to the guilt by association fallacy. By her reckoning anybody that's ever appeared on the Fox network must be in agreement with their conservative agenda, a clearly ludicrous position. But the pipes are being laid, the dots connected and pay attention to what they're not saying...MarcusAu wrote:Well I like both - and don't see them as the same thing.
Sarcasm aside Aneris so far showed a pro-left wing preference, but not worse than a legitimate political preference. I'm probably closer to Aneris' ideas than to Sargon's when it comes to many issues (healthcare, welfare, abortion rights, support for right-wing populism, even feminism/women's rights). The difference is that I don't believe in calling people nazis or white supremacists unless they really are nazis or white supremacists, just like I don't call people communists unless they really are communists. Also I don't believe in purity tests and I don't see criticism or even rejection of the EU aims as evidence of being a right-wing authoritarian (because it's not: plenty of people, even on the left, are skeptical of the EU) and I don't see limits on immigration or national or "western" pride as inherently fascist (because they're not).Service Dog wrote:Aneris, what has gotten in to you today? Until now, you were making complete sense.
It's sooo uncharacteristic of you. I just can't comprehend this abrupt 180°.
There were no warning signs. It's baffling. ;-P
Yea, remember that - politics & strange bedfellows; bit of an eye-opener.CommanderTuvok wrote:Greer is an utter arse. Thing is though, I hate Greer because of her cultural relativism, and this is not the first time she has downplayed female genital mutilation and excused dodgy aspects of Islam. The SJWs hate Greer because of her views on transwomen.Steersman wrote: Though, in the same neck of the woods, seems that Germaine Greer has jumped the shark in some industrial-grade islamopologism in apparently defending both Islam and FGM:
Not really sure to what extent FGM is more prevalent in Muslim cultures, although quite a bit of evidence that that is the case. Moot too the argument that it is more or less mandated by the Quran. In any case, my response which links to a recent post of Coyne's that elaborates on the issue:
Ta; looks interesting vid though will have to put it on the back burner. And kind of thought that was the case, particularly because of Coyne's statistics and links - which I haven't had the time to do more than skim.CommanderTuvok wrote:As for her whether FGM is more common in Muslim cultures. Erm, yes it is. David Pakman destroys this VICE journalist on the issue (and Reza Aslan in the process).
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While I've only briefly skimmed the article, and he may have at least some justification for his position, I kind of get the impression that he's seriously underestimating the magnitude of the problem and the prevalence of those actually victimized:UKIP are not the only ones peddling dangerous myths about FGM
It would be tempting to dismiss UKIP’s newly-announced manifesto policy on female genital mutilation as simply the latest ravings of a delusional binbag of wingnuts. Unfortunately, this delusional binbag of wingnuts seem to attract a lot of media attention, earn disproportionate platforms and, as you might have noticed, more than occasionally see their ravings slide into the policy platforms of supposedly sensible parties. ....
Birmingham's Heartlands Hospital treats 1,500 victims of Female Genital Mutilation in just FIVE years
Worrying scale of the hidden problem is revealed at a police and crime panel meeting ...
OTOH, I've been told that NECV20 is a real killer.Yes, it's N20 isn't it. Correct, I did not pay attention in chemistry. I should have just said Nitrous Oxide, laughing gas seemed inappropriate.
If you're talking about me then I don't recollect ever blocking you - don't block anybody currently although I might have done so way back (maybe Jesper). And if I made with the insults then I expect they were tit-for-tat.CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:I liked both until they resorted to insults and blocking. Aneris waving the association fallacy around as though it actually defends her views is more sad than funny. Apparently Aneris didn't get to the guilt by association fallacy. By her reckoning anybody that's ever appeared on the Fox network must be in agreement with their conservative agenda, a clearly ludicrous position. But the pipes are being laid, the dots connected and pay attention to what they're not saying...MarcusAu wrote:Well I like both - and don't see them as the same thing.
If I wanted dogmatic, illogical views with a tinge of paranoia, I'd visit my crazy aunt in her bunker. She promised no warning shots if I remember the knock.
Again I want to defend Aneris a little bit. It's not exactly paranoia or dogmatism, it's a lack of nuance on her part coupled with assuming that the dynamics of politics in Germany are completely representative of politics everywhere else. In Germany the specter of nazism is something ingrained within the shared culture to the point that any form of national pride or nationalism (except maybe when it comes to football) is tainted with the association with nazism.CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:I liked both until they resorted to insults and blocking. Aneris waving the association fallacy around as though it actually defends her views is more sad than funny. Apparently Aneris didn't get to the guilt by association fallacy. By her reckoning anybody that's ever appeared on the Fox network must be in agreement with their conservative agenda, a clearly ludicrous position. But the pipes are being laid, the dots connected and pay attention to what they're not saying...MarcusAu wrote:Well I like both - and don't see them as the same thing.
If I wanted dogmatic, illogical views with a tinge of paranoia, I'd visit my crazy aunt in her bunker. She promised no warning shots if I remember the knock.
I have to wonder if your hobbies don't include rubbing your face with sandpaper and spending an evening banging your head against a rock wall. At the end of which you ask yourself why you even bothered in the first place.Matt Cavanaugh wrote:FYI anyone interested in jesus mythicism --
The excellent blog, Vridar -- whose authors are unfortunately inordinately fond of Sticky Dicky -- just plugged the latest dogshit self-published book by Dicky's PUA-in-arms, Dave "I-also-had-group-sex-with-Lauren-Lane-and-REDACTED" Fitzgerald. (TFA had also done so previously.)
I provide a scathing review of said dogshit, and in the comments the names of not a few of our old schism friends come up.
vridar.org/2017/04/24/jesus-mything-in-action/
P.S. If you're inclined to comment, please be respectful & high-brow, as they're actually really cool guys running that blog.
http://manchestermule.com/wp-content/up ... a-bike.jpgshoutinghorse wrote:Really? wrote:Wow. What hath Plait wrought?
The message of this segment is that if you offer someone sex and they say no, just keep asking and making physical contact with them until you get what you want.
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Bill Nye the Science Guy .. I think we have just witnessed him flush his illustrious career down the khazi. WTF was he thinking when he agreed to put his name to this shite?? :doh:
Just remember kids, it only goes one way. These fine Antics folks are a diverse group, not to be judged as an organization as a whole. No dots to connect. No hypocrisy here.Aneris wrote:I have some sympathy for Antifas, as the core idea is anti-fascism. Other than that, they are not really one unified thing, even though cooperation is common. They are very diverse and viewpoints reach from Pro-Israel, Pro-American to anti-imperialist Pro-Palestine -- plus virtually every flavour in Left Wing politics, from Environmentalism to Feminism. While the violent protests by Autonoms often get the attention, there is also a strong tradition of pacificism. There are Straight Edgers and whatnot. No, they are not bullies.Kirbmarc wrote:The Black Bloc/Antifa are bullies who uses their numbers, anonymity and groupthink to project the image that they're revolutionaries and don't care about society when they're often losers who simply wish to break things and look righteous. Fuck them, they're no better than the SJWs.Aneris wrote:Social Justice Warriors, who now argue for the punching are as much Antifa or Black Bloc as your aunt. What happened is that because one individual from such a bloc punched Spencer, and they now do their usual mimicry thing, wanting to appear all revolutionary when in reality they want their every whim and feelings and identity validated. Real Autonoms don't care about society and what it thinks of them. SJWs are total poser and that has been in their definition from the beginning.
I think a lot of conservatives found ourselves in this position. Being conservative whilst also being an atheist, no giving a shit if someone is gay, not caring about ethnicity. Just believing that the smaller the government the better and thinking free speech is a vital component of freedom and liberty. Alt(ernative) right seems a good way of expressing your views. Though that never mattered to the left and the liberals as anybody to the right of Stalin was literally Hitler. I no longer care as far as I am concerned all lefty/liberals are mentally ill and fuck them.rayshul wrote:It's not roots, its whatsit, that co-evolution thing - two groups who decided to call themselves alt-right without having shit in common. It makes sense, both are alternatives to the right - one down the white nationalist path, the other more classical liberal but retaining the right patriotic values. The media suddenly conflated both sides after Richard Spencer's hitler salute convention came up. I did look into this at the time and didn't find anything that suggested Richard Spencer had kicked off the alt-right version that Milo blasted into the cultural consciousness stratosphere by being a camp bitch at colleges. They just happened to choose the same name, and Spencer chose it first.deLurch wrote:I have seen the Richard Spencer has claimed to have coined the term Alt-right, but he is also seeking publicity for himself and his cause.rayshul wrote:I generally consider myself alt-right. The problems in the definition of alt-right came about when people who liked free speech and /pol/ nutters realised really belatedly that Richard Spencer had invented a group with the same name, and had done it first. I don't have a big problem with Spencer but he's definitely a white nationalist. Milo was once considered alt-right until he was reminded of the Richard Spencer connection.
I know that media and left wing blogs love to bring up that Alt-Right has having racist roots among the white supremacists & white nationalists. But has anyone here done any actual research to determine if any of this is true? Or are we all relying on what we have been told?
Ah, I was going for a bit of hyperbole to illustrate Aneris' lack of nuance, apparently unsuccessfully. But I'm done with it. Her(?) lack of self-awareness and hypocrisy, not to mention blocking most of the people in the discussion(or at least failing to consider their arguments) puts Aneris in the annoying lolcow arena.Kirbmarc wrote:Again I want to defend Aneris a little bit. It's not exactly paranoia or dogmatism, it's a lack of nuance on her part coupled with assuming that the dynamics of politics in Germany are completely representative of politics everywhere else. In Germany the specter of nazism is something ingrained within the shared culture to the point that any form of national pride or nationalism (except maybe when it comes to football) is tainted with the association with nazism.CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:I liked both until they resorted to insults and blocking. Aneris waving the association fallacy around as though it actually defends her views is more sad than funny. Apparently Aneris didn't get to the guilt by association fallacy. By her reckoning anybody that's ever appeared on the Fox network must be in agreement with their conservative agenda, a clearly ludicrous position. But the pipes are being laid, the dots connected and pay attention to what they're not saying...MarcusAu wrote:Well I like both - and don't see them as the same thing.
If I wanted dogmatic, illogical views with a tinge of paranoia, I'd visit my crazy aunt in her bunker. She promised no warning shots if I remember the knock.
Right-wing libertarians, populism and arguments on shared values and shared culture are similarly tainted. The right-wing parties of Germany are really careful about avoiding any association with nazism, no matter how remote. Angela Merkel is a center-right politician whose ideas are actually more to the right than the UKIP on economic issues, but she has to carefully craft a narrative of being against any form of national pride or of defense of national interests and in favor of European co-operation and international peace-keeping diplomatic efforts, no matter the costs.
For an American or a Briton an American or a British flag and American and British values are a symbol of unity and pride, for a German a German flag worn with pride and references to "German values" and "German identity" reek of goosesteps and concentration camps.
I don't dispute that people can align on one political axis (or five). You can do whatever you want. My pointing out the evidence here has absolutely no effect whatsoever.jet_lagg wrote:I gave you that because it was something incontrovertible that I missed. If you'd bothered to follow along you'd see I'd prefaced this all by saying it wouldn't make a difference if what you were saying about the wikipedia page was correct or not. So now me sticking to my original stance is goalpost shifting. I was annoyed at Service Dog for calling you stupid when history shows you clearly aren't, but I'm now well and truly understanding his frustration. You're not stupid, you're just playing at it so you can pretend like it's incomprehensible people might align on one political axis but not on others.Aneris wrote: Mea culpa this, goal post shifting that, it's quite clear that this is some sort of taboo you are defending with desperation. Not only is it not important how Wikipedia sorts these people, I also know that political writings on such matters are often infested by SJWs. She is in the Alt Right category because she belongs there, which was shown by a plethora of evidence, produced by herself. I know, you just can't hold more than one piece of evidence in your head, and you just can't do basic inference.
I really should have resisted the urge to respond.
It's one thing to be right-wing (as Sargon is, and I've never denied it) and to have anti-EU and anti-mass immigration sympathies and another to "lay the pipes for a neo-nazi agenda". He wants to help LePen because he's upset with Macron's pro-Europe and pro-mass immigration position and fears that the UK might get a raw deal in Brexit negotiations if he's in power.DrokkIt wrote:This may have been ninja'd, but it becomes a touch harder to argue Sargon doesn't have far-right sympathies when he makes an instructional video aimed at helping Le Penn win an election:
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Now I'm sure this is because he dislikes the corporatism of Macron, but there must come a point where Aneris is right and a spade is a spade?
Apologies for this shit-stirring :D
Have a Best. Post. Evah!Sulman wrote:Aneris can you do a 'uname -r' for me? I think you've had the same kernel patch as Steers.
I guess this is a haven for nazis now? OK. I've seen people expressing disbelief that for once JP Watson was right about a specific thing, no "endorsement" of Watson or InfoWars. People here have defended PZ Myers when he was in the right about specific things (as, for example, I have done when he rightly criticized the "Nutty Nutters" article of the Sad Puppies as limiting sci-fi to pure entertainment).Aneris wrote:I don't dispute that people can align on one political axis (or five). You can do whatever you want. My pointing out the evidence here has absolutely no effect whatsoever.
You can subscribe, and listen to whoever all day, without asking for permission. I have nothing against you guys posting Spencer's views if that's what you want to do. I already saw InfoWars or Jp Watson posted a couple of times here (not in jest).
Yes, we're endorsing Alex Jones, Truthers and Creationism, and Trump, simply by not saying that everyone on the right is "laying the pipes for a neo-nazi agenda".If you believe this bothers me, you are mistaken. Why would I be triggered by you embarassing yourself, or posting such stuff into an obscure forum? I don't care about any tribe, and skepticism-atheism is obviously as real as Boringfoot. Half of the “atheist-skeptics” embraced postmodernism at the first contact, all too eager to show how woke and social-justicier-than-thou they were (and also smarter than everybody else, naturally), and the other half, after holding out a bit, now happily endorses Alex Jones, truthers, Trump and his creationist entourage. I guess that sums up four years or so.
You also have demonstrated a rare ability to ignore the diversity of opinions between the people you accuse of being neo-nazis or neo-nazi sympathizers. You have ignored references to ideas expressed in videos, books or interviews, to focus only on "person X defended the right to speech of person Y" or "person X is friends with person Y" or "person X invited person Y to their show", using a method tried and tested by SJWs on every media.You guys already admitted that the “big tent” includes everything from the religious right to the truther all the way to the identitarian movement alt right as long as they profess to be useful in Sargon's etc “culture war”. Thanks for the info. Again, everyone can make up their own mind. I again first thought people don't know the facts, but now learned that you do, but you don't care. Fine by me.
The history of the early church, which segued into mythicism, has been a hobby of mine for some time. I've done a shitload of reading on it, including all sorts of really old stuff by serious scholars that is archived online. The same old wankers in online atheist slacktivism keep touting the same old amateur hacks like Carrier and Fitzgerald. They pretend that they invented the whole thing. Worse, their ideas are either crackpot (Carrier), or they produce shit re-hashes of the better works of better authors (Fitzgerald). They of course really embarrass the entire field and are the favorite punching-bags of apologists. The fact that nearly all of them are actively grooming young co-eds for swinging is just a coincidence.MarcusAu wrote:I have to wonder if your hobbies don't include rubbing your face with sandpaper and spending an evening banging your head against a rock wall. At the end of which you ask yourself why you even bothered in the first place.Matt Cavanaugh wrote:FYI anyone interested in jesus mythicism --
The excellent blog, Vridar -- whose authors are unfortunately inordinately fond of Sticky Dicky -- just plugged the latest dogshit self-published book by Dicky's PUA-in-arms, Dave "I-also-had-group-sex-with-Lauren-Lane-and-REDACTED" Fitzgerald. (TFA had also done so previously.)
I provide a scathing review of said dogshit, and in the comments the names of not a few of our old schism friends come up.
vridar.org/2017/04/24/jesus-mything-in-action/
P.S. If you're inclined to comment, please be respectful & high-brow, as they're actually really cool guys running that blog.
Still - it is nice that you are treating the subject with a degree of seriousness - and letting them know that there are people that will hold them to a higher standard.
The salient point, of course, is that it is a trivial matter to kill someone while they are awake: Texas, Arkansas, et al should perhaps send their senators on a fact-finding visit to Isis training camps, where they will learn all the wonderful things that can be done with RPGs, four-storey buildings, and a gallon of gasoline and a box of matches.Brive1987 wrote:Haha ! Yes. Just rewatched the Oklahoma bombing vid with the wife, then read the double execution story from today (where John 2 appealed unsuccessfully claiming John 1's execution was botched) Put me in a frame of mind.MarcusAu wrote:Are you OK Brive?
And it occurred to me that once you are knocked out it doesn't really matter how you go so the killing problem should be resolvable. Jesus. Just suck all the air out of the room. The incident of in-surgery consciousness seems reliably low too -'so I don't see the problem.
I'll think about bunnies now.
Yeah, it might be that way. I am looking for a torrent of the gender show to form my own opinion. So far all I have are snippets that don't look promising.CommanderTuvok wrote:What the fuck is this I keep hearing about Bill Bye, going all SJW on gender and stuff?
I presume this is some sort of American TV show shite?
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:I beg to differ...shoutinghorse wrote:
broken neck = instant death
Want to have fun? Go up to your daughter, give her a hug and tell her that you finally understand what her sexuality choices are all about, and you came to understand it from this clip. Show her the video, and then tell her you finally understand what she is all about.John D wrote:Oh my fucking god!!!! That was fantastically terrible. Really. An instant classic. I will post this on Facebook as soon as possible. My pansexual polamorous daughter will cry... and for all the wrong reasons.
But seriously... that is simultaneously creepy as fuck and comically wrong. WTF.... bill... Bill... BILLL. You are just as fucking weird and creepy as everyone thought. We don't need Bill to save the world... we need the world to save us from Bill.
I'd go one step further in describing Aneris' problem... 1 hour & 40 minutes into Sam Harris' podcast with Charles Murray, they discuss isolated cultural pockets of elites. Harris says of his personal & professional social circles-- the people whose phone numbers are in his phone-- the last one who still smoked cigarettes was Christopher Hitchens. The 1-in-౩ people who smoke exist outside his world. In that environment, hateful demonization of smokers as idiot Others goes unchecked. Unanimous support for anti-smoking regulations goes unquestioned. Elites take pride in their intolerance of the intolerable.Kirbmarc wrote:Again I want to defend Aneris a little bit. It's not exactly paranoia or dogmatism, it's a lack of nuance on her part coupled with assuming that the dynamics of politics in Germany are completely representative of politics everywhere else. In Germany the specter of nazism is something ingrained within the shared culture to the point that any form of national pride or nationalism (except maybe when it comes to football) is tainted with the association with nazism.CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:I liked both until they resorted to insults and blocking. Aneris waving the association fallacy around as though it actually defends her views is more sad than funny. Apparently Aneris didn't get to the guilt by association fallacy. By her reckoning anybody that's ever appeared on the Fox network must be in agreement with their conservative agenda, a clearly ludicrous position. But the pipes are being laid, the dots connected and pay attention to what they're not saying...MarcusAu wrote:Well I like both - and don't see them as the same thing.
If I wanted dogmatic, illogical views with a tinge of paranoia, I'd visit my crazy aunt in her bunker. She promised no warning shots if I remember the knock.
Right-wing libertarians, populism and arguments on shared values and shared culture are similarly tainted. The right-wing parties of Germany are really careful about avoiding any association with nazism, no matter how remote. Angela Merkel is a center-right politician whose ideas are actually more to the right than the UKIP on economic issues, but she has to carefully craft a narrative of being against any form of national pride or of defense of national interests and in favor of European co-operation and international peace-keeping diplomatic efforts, no matter the costs.
For an American or a Briton an American or a British flag and American and British values are a symbol of unity and pride, for a German a German flag worn with pride and references to "German values" and "German identity" reek of goosesteps and concentration camps.
Wow. Guns blazing, and I only argued he's helping. Though doesn't matter anymore.DrokkIt wrote:This may have been ninja'd, but it becomes a touch harder to argue Sargon doesn't have far-right sympathies when he makes an instructional video aimed at helping Le Penn win an election:
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Now I'm sure this is because he dislikes the corporatism of Macron, but there must come a point where Aneris is right and a spade is a spade?
Apologies for this shit-stirring :D
End justifies the means, I guess.In 1977, Le Pen [the father] inherited a fortune from Hubert Lambert (1934–1976), son of the cement industrialist Leon Lambert (1877–1952), one of three sons of Lambert Cement founder Hilaire Lambert. Hubert Lambert was a political supporter of Le Pen, as well as being a monarchist.[7] Lambert's will provided 30 million francs (approximatively 5 million euros) to Le Pen, as well as his opulent three-storey 11-room mansion at 8 Parc de Montretout, Saint-Cloud (the home had been built by Napoleon III for his chief of staff Jean-François Mocquard).[7][16] With his wife, he also owns a two-story townhouse on the Rue Hortense in Rueil-Malmaison and another house in his hometown of La Trinité-sur-Mer.[16]
I suppose the determining factor is contingent on one's view to the importance of intention. I don't think Sargon is far right, in fact I think he's mostly a red tory type who in a UK context is on the left. But he is most certainly aiding a far right cause here, should La Penn win then could we say he contributed to 'laying the pipes' for her?Kirbmarc wrote:
It's one thing to be right-wing (as Sargon is, and I've never denied it) and to have anti-EU and anti-mass immigration sympathies and another to "lay the pipes for a neo-nazi agenda". He wants to help LePen because he's upset with Macron's pro-Europe and pro-mass immigration position and fears that the UK might get a raw deal in Brexit negotiations if he's in power.
Also Macron's weakness on islam has something to do with it. Macron seems ready to give up some parts of the French laicité in order to foster some misguided project of community outreach and corporate deals with the Saudis/Salafis, he has some known islamists among his friends like Mohamed Saou. He's also pro-veil.
I disagree very much with Sargon about LePen, I'd have picked Melenchon or Hamon if I were French, but I understand his position on Macron.
Also I was baffled when I found out that some openly gay people endorse LePen, who's close to the religious right and far from gay-friendly, but the problem with anti-gay preaching and acts in muslim communities in France is very high. I think that LePen's right-wing reactionary ideas are highly troubling, but there are some serious threats to the French ideals of separation of church and state coming from the Salafis and the other conservative/reactionary muslim movements, and Macron doesn't seem to care and even panders to the islamists to a certain extent.
Who fucking cares anymore as it is better than being a pinko commie self loathing faggot like you. Just fuck off already you piece of cultural Marxists scum. Feel free to destroy your own shitty country by all means but you don't have the right to take the rest of Europe with you. We should have wiped you cunts out after the end of the second world war and handed your nation over to the surviving Jews. As it seems you are indefatigable in your mindless pursuit of destroying all of Europe.Aneris wrote:jet_lagg wrote:I don't even know how to argue with that. When you assert such views are somehow at odds with her “real” political views, then you show this — not I. And how am I to demonstrate what isn't there, namely inconsistencies between alleged “triggering leftists” and her “real views”? Proving a negative and such?Aneris wrote:
If that's the case you should be able to easily show it to be true. Instead you're resorting to claiming her wikipedia page says things it clearly does not say and emphasizing that she once used the word race and the word identity in the same sentence.
I won't dog pile any more, but you're very quickly becoming one of the people I can't trust any further than I can throw when it comes to summarizing political opponents.
Your Wikipedia denial is even more bizarre. There are categories, at the bottom, she was listed under Alt Right. That's a fact. If it changed in the meantime, the logs would reveal it. Not that my argument depends on it, but what I asserted was true, whether you agree with the editors or not (this would be a different argument, but now looks desperate).
You also need zero trust. She appeared as first guest on Pettibone's channel:
So, Sargon and Southern want to look like Alt Right, because reasons, and when they do, then … what exactly?[Pettibone] is a contributor to AltRight.com, a white nationalist website founded by Richard B. Spencer and is part of the broader alt-right movement.[9][10][11][12]
That fat fuck is so far removed from the concept of National service ..... If Arkansas needs a crash dummy to test their chemistry sets on they know where to go.There were a few times when I was at Temple University that I’d sleepily arrive on campus early in the morning and suddenly be surrounded by men in buzzcuts and fatigues waving rifles around, and no, it wasn’t a pleasant shock. We don’t seem to have a ROTC program here at UMM, fortunately.
Jesus Christ. How much mileage is that fucking ROTC psycho going to get out of the story? That shit happened over a year ago and it was a "huge" story then.Brive1987 wrote:What happens when a lib-tard professor looks out her window and sees an ROTC drill?
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/proxy ... 20-h180-nc
http://roarfeminist.org/2017/04/18/anat ... n-outrage/
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Oh and PZ comes out with:
That fat fuck is so far removed from the concept of National service ..... If Arkansas needs a crash dummy to test their chemistry sets on they know where to go.There were a few times when I was at Temple University that I’d sleepily arrive on campus early in the morning and suddenly be surrounded by men in buzzcuts and fatigues waving rifles around, and no, it wasn’t a pleasant shock. We don’t seem to have a ROTC program here at UMM, fortunately.
http://www.militarytimes.com/story/mili ... /82508150/GRAND FORKS, N.D. — A University of North Dakota professor who complained about ROTC cadet training on campus is refusing to heed the Student Senate's call for a public apology.
Heidi Czerwiec recently called 911 when she saw two men with guns outside her office. She maintains the training — which is done with fake guns and no live ammunition — creates a "terrorized environment."
"This entire incident I always saw as me responding to a possible active shooter scenario on campus," the English professor said.
The UND Student Senate this week passed a resolution asking her to apologize for comments that included profanity in a voicemail she left with an ROTC commander, WDAZ-TV reported.
So Dave - what do you do to relax when coming home after a long stressful days work?DaveDodo007 wrote:
Who fucking cares anymore as it is better than being a pinko commie self loathing faggot like you. Just fuck off already you piece of cultural Marxists scum. Feel free to destroy your own shitty country by all means but you don't have the right to take the rest of Europe with you. We should have wiped you cunts out after the end of the second world war and handed your nation over to the surviving Jews. As it seems you are indefatigable in your mindless pursuit of destroying all of Europe.
