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Re: Give Me a Urinal or Give Me Death!

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pro-boxing-fan wrote:
Aneris wrote:Do you know of http://deepfreeze.it/ Shabby, isn't? That's the GamerGate thing. Before them we were all such shabby characters that we used to look for connections, and narratives.
I'll make a last point, this weak shit response is really really far from the thoughtful arguments we're used to expect from you. Something is shrouding your rational mind and you clearly can't see it. Im disengaging from this dumpster fire.
Have to agree with this. There's SOMETHING different about Aneris right now...

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Lsuoma wrote:
pro-boxing-fan wrote:
Aneris wrote:Do you know of http://deepfreeze.it/ Shabby, isn't? That's the GamerGate thing. Before them we were all such shabby characters that we used to look for connections, and narratives.
I'll make a last point, this weak shit response is really really far from the thoughtful arguments we're used to expect from you. Something is shrouding your rational mind and you clearly can't see it. Im disengaging from this dumpster fire.
Have to agree with this. There's SOMETHING different about Aneris right now...
I think they changed the actress after season 4, like in Fresh Prince...

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CommanderTuvok wrote:So, the alt-right/kek army or whatever the fuck they are, justify a woman getting punched in the face, 'cos you are justified in "punching commies".

I just knew Dan Arel's punching logic would go full circle. Who would have though it!

BTW, the woman who got lamped (her name is doing the rounds already, BTW) appears to be white, but has dreads. Isn't that "problematic", as they say?

What a farce.
Looks like she was under the impression she could get into the thick of things and dish it out, but her v-card would protect her from taking it. Hope she was contemplating a valuable life lesson as she was crying or whinging in pain while leaning against that pillar.

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I that Berkeley video, I'm not really sure who are the "antifa" and who are the "pro free speech". I think that's telling. (I've watched it with the sound off)

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And in about one hour and a half, we're leaving for a Sunday bike ride with my driving school teacher in the Gorges du Verdon. About 300 kilometers round trip, with a picnic stop at the lake. I hope we have breaks to take pictures.

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:And in about one hour and a half, we're leaving for a Sunday bike ride with my driving school teacher in the Gorges du Verdon. About 300 kilometers round trip, with a picnic stop at the lake. I hope we have breaks to take pictures.
Or pictures of your brakes.

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KiwiInOz wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:And in about one hour and a half, we're leaving for a Sunday bike ride with my driving school teacher in the Gorges du Verdon. About 300 kilometers round trip, with a picnic stop at the lake. I hope we have breaks to take pictures.
Or pictures of your brakes.
Bugger. Breaks.

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KiwiInOz wrote:
KiwiInOz wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:And in about one hour and a half, we're leaving for a Sunday bike ride with my driving school teacher in the Gorges du Verdon. About 300 kilometers round trip, with a picnic stop at the lake. I hope we have breaks to take pictures.
Or pictures of your brakes.
Bugger. Breaks.
No, actually, brakes work (hopefully).

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DrokkIt wrote:
CommanderTuvok wrote:So, the alt-right/kek army or whatever the fuck they are, justify a woman getting punched in the face, 'cos you are justified in "punching commies".

I just knew Dan Arel's punching logic would go full circle. Who would have though it!

BTW, the woman who got lamped (her name is doing the rounds already, BTW) appears to be white, but has dreads. Isn't that "problematic", as they say?

What a farce.
I watched a ton of of various streams from Berkeley. Antifa were worse for sure, but plenty of meatheaded pro-Trump types were wading in with equal abandon.

Fuck the lot of them.
My reading is that the pro-Trump forces had two objectives:
1) They were going to show that despite the recent violence, they would stage rallies wherever and whenever they wanted.
2) They knew antifa would be arrayed against them, and not just accepted it, but relished it. They were going to be prepared and show that there would be a heavy price paid to disrupt their free speech rights. Still unclear if they were successful with this.

I think we're at a dangerous stage now. Back during election time when things looked crazy, I reminded myself that things weren't as crazy as the early '70s when you had several violent leftist domestic terrorist groups active in the US. But now, the political environment seems ripe for a return of such groups, along with corresponding right wing groups which didn't exist in the early '70s. I think each side underestimates the other. The leftist groups seem to think their enemies won't defend themselves, which is particularly odd because they consider them Nazis, and Nazis aren't known for being shrinking violets. So even 90 pound weaklings like Steve Shives, and petite fetish porn actresses like this latest chick think they personally can have a go at them. On the other side, there's the belief that antifa consists of upper middle class humanities grad students who will shrivel away at the first sign of personal danger to themselves. There might be some truth in this, but there could also very well be modern day Bill Ayerses and Bernadine Dohrns among them.

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:And in about one hour and a half, we're leaving for a Sunday bike ride with my driving school teacher in the Gorges du Verdon. About 300 kilometers round trip, with a picnic stop at the lake. I hope we have breaks to take pictures.

Yawn. I'll be impressed when you do it on a bike without a motor. :)

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Re: Give Me a Urinal or Give Me Death!

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You mean...like...a bicycle?

OVER MY DEAD BODY!!!

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Of course, it is also expected that the next stage after dismissing every evidence is to neutralize the source, by discrediting it.
jet_lagg wrote:Christ, Aneris. Even political enemies follow each other on twitter just to see what the other is saying. You're becoming unhinged
That does not accord with reality at all.

Debunking: "There is no Alt Right influence in the A/S/rationals etc corner whatsoever, and the opinion leaders in no way further their narratives", part 235, The Culture Warriors.
  • 23) Lauren Southern, Sargon of Akkad, Dave Computing Forever and so on consider themselves to be on the same side in what they call a "Culture War". They are associated, refer to each other often enough, hang out together, because they actually think they fight a "Culture War" together. There is no substantial disagreement between them to speak of; not any more than there was between Benson and others on Islam, for example. They were still considered the same team.
  • 24) I have not followed the PizzaGate thing, and know nothing about it. Kirbmarc explained yesterday that Sargon was also treating this "somewhat seriously". It turns out Pettibone (i.e. the issue here) is not only a Far Right activist, but als"one of the first proponents" of the Pizzagate conspiracy.
  • 25) Pettibone also "co-hosts the YouTube series Virtue of the West with Tara McCarthy. The first episode was released on February 9, 2017 with contributor Lauren Southern" as Wikipedia reports, with a direct link to it. So much for "political enemies". Not even close.
  • 26) ....aand a book about Swedish Penis Pumps, written by Austin Powers...
Not at all Anaris. But please tell me how documenting these abusive people is "shabby".
I agree with you, and quoted someone else.

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pro-boxing-fan wrote:Shabby as fuck. What the fuck is happening in your life Aneris? You're clearly not your old self. You've went from one of the great poster of this forum to someone who can't even come close to express within reasonable terms your hate boner for Sargon.

Please get off that train Aneris, its not healthy nor is it fun. I care about you and what you have to say but now you're starting to have me worry about your current state of mind. Im not joking.
He's right, you've fucking lost the plot. I don't know if you never understood jokes or like, how people and communities chill and joke around, but holy fuck. What the shit happened to you.

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Re: Give Me a Urinal or Give Me Death!

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:You mean...like...a bicycle?

OVER MY DEAD BODY!!!
And you call yourself a Frenchman? Bernard Hinault is personally on his way to revoke your citizenship.

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Re: Give Me a Urinal or Give Me Death!

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I don't think all the Amy Schumer jobs are definitely rips - they aren't particularly "out there" jokes but stuff two people could have come up with independently to be honest. That said it's really sad that she doesn't deliver even ONE of them better than the original.
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CommanderTuvok wrote:Oh, and all these vids from Berkeley, the Antifa and the Trumpsters are as bad as one another. It would be great to scoop them all up, and put them on an island where they can duke it out.
The "Trumpsters" don't need to get violent unless attacked. Antifa doesn't need to get violent unless they think you disagree with them or say something they don't like.

I don't think both parties are as bad as each other.
I just... wonder where the police are... like... why aren't the police there... and why hasn't someone made a law banning face coverings? I know there are some in some states. It's a fucking good idea.

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Re: Give Me a Urinal or Give Me Death!

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jugheadnaut wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:You mean...like...a bicycle?

OVER MY DEAD BODY!!!
And you call yourself a Frenchman? Bernard Hinault is personally on his way to revoke your citizenship.
My parents were murdered by a rogue bicycle, I'll have you know.

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Re: Give Me a Urinal or Give Me Death!

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rayshul wrote:and why hasn't someone made a law banning face coverings? I know there are some in some states. It's a fucking good idea.
Because islamophobia?

Yeah, I know, laughable concept.

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:OVER MY DEAD BODY!!!
Kickstarter, anyone?

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Aneris removed as a mod since s/h/it asked to be un-defaulted more than a year agi.

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Re: Give Me a Urinal or Give Me Death!

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Lsuoma wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:OVER MY DEAD BODY!!!
Kickstarter, anyone?
I'm about to go biking on the edge of 300+ meters-high gorges. I'm not sure a kickstarter is needed at this point.

It would be overkill.

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
jugheadnaut wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:You mean...like...a bicycle?

OVER MY DEAD BODY!!!
And you call yourself a Frenchman? Bernard Hinault is personally on his way to revoke your citizenship.
My parents were murdered by a rogue bicycle, I'll have you know.
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/imag ... cJiicf4hNy

Murdered by a pink gay bicycle. That's gotta fuck you up. I have the manly feelz for you man.

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Jet Lagg wrote:Christ, Aneris. Even political enemies follow each other on twitter just to see what the other is saying. You're becoming unhinged
rayshul wrote:He's right, you've fucking lost the plot. I don't know if you never understood jokes or like, how people and communities chill and joke around, but holy fuck. What the shit happened to you.
Allow me to use crayons. This seems to be the level that is being called for. If you are saying they are not political enemies, and they are a community, and get along well, then you actually agree with me. :dance:

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MacGruberKnows wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
jugheadnaut wrote: And you call yourself a Frenchman? Bernard Hinault is personally on his way to revoke your citizenship.
My parents were murdered by a rogue bicycle, I'll have you know.
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/imag ... cJiicf4hNy

Murdered by a pink gay bicycle. That's gotta fuck you up. I have the manly feelz for you man.
Worse than that, it's a fixie. So murdered by a pink, gay, hipster bicycle.

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CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:Antifa should officially be labeled a hate group and tracked like any other violent extremist nut job group or gang.
Don't know about the US but in the Netherlands, Antifa has been tracked by the secret service for over 30 years.

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OMG, I don't even have Steersman on ignore, but a couple of more days of this I'll have to add Aneris. A month ago, I would have pegged him as one of the last I would have on ignore. He seems to be setting up for the flounce, though, so may not be necessary.

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jugheadnaut wrote:
Worse than that, it's a fixie. So murdered by a pink, gay, hipster bicycle.
Is a fixie one of those with no gears? And even worse, the Dutch one with backpedaling breaks?

Because one day I'm gonna find that motherfucker and go all Batman on his ass!

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DrokkIt wrote:Without doxxing myself I can say I happen to know several antifa people who I've met over the years. Mostly they see themselves as standing up for minorities etc against BNP types when they demonstrate. I can get behind that, but in the last few years the movement seems to have become increasingly violent and doctrinaire, using the exact same mentality you'd find in the EDL.
They weren't that much different thirty years ago. I think Antifa largely draws its members from the student population, so it more or less follows mores of the times. But in '84 they were just as happy to pick a fight with the neonazis as they are now.

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
jugheadnaut wrote:
Worse than that, it's a fixie. So murdered by a pink, gay, hipster bicycle.
Is a fixie one of those with no gears? And even worse, the Dutch one with backpedaling breaks?

Because one day I'm gonna find that motherfucker and go all Batman on his ass!
Yep, no gears, the front chainring directly drives the rear. So, in addition to not having a variable gear ratio, you can't stop pedaling and coast.

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Aneris wrote:Of course, it is also expected that the next stage after dismissing every evidence is to neutralize the source, by discrediting it.
jet_lagg wrote:Christ, Aneris. Even political enemies follow each other on twitter just to see what the other is saying. You're becoming unhinged
That does not accord with reality at all.

[*]25) Pettibone also "co-hosts the YouTube series Virtue of the West with Tara McCarthy. The first episode was released on February 9, 2017 with contributor Lauren Southern" as Wikipedia reports, with a direct link to it. So much for "political enemies". Not even close
I am counting on Pettibone and Southern being even more than bosom allies.

The signs are promising.

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now kissss

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Brive1987 wrote:Having stayed out of the rain and therefore having missed the Women's March, I felt sure RW would have donned her blacks to punch a nazi. We could have sorted the schism with a Southern/Twatson jelly wrestle.

Instead Becs is flat-bound once more and tweeting about Duran Duran.

#theyalsoserve

You'd have thought her and the fuckbuddy muscle would have been well up for a rumble. After they've finished sipping Daiquiri's of course.

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Margaritas. The salt gives it away.

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rayshul wrote:now kissss
:popcorn: :pray:

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Brive1987 wrote:
Aneris wrote:Of course, it is also expected that the next stage after dismissing every evidence is to neutralize the source, by discrediting it.
jet_lagg wrote:Christ, Aneris. Even political enemies follow each other on twitter just to see what the other is saying. You're becoming unhinged
That does not accord with reality at all.

[*]25) Pettibone also "co-hosts the YouTube series Virtue of the West with Tara McCarthy. The first episode was released on February 9, 2017 with contributor Lauren Southern" as Wikipedia reports, with a direct link to it. So much for "political enemies". Not even close
I am counting on Pettibone and Southern being even more than bosom allies.

The signs are promising.
Mortal enemies :D

Don't know the other names, but it was fun to look them up. They have in common that they are apparently truthers, conspiracy loons and people fond of David Icke and Alex Jones. Mike Cernovich is listed as "New Nationalism", "Masculism", "Alt-right" on Wikipedia, also promoted the PizzaGate thing, surprise surprise, and uses trolling to "build his brand". New Yorker called him meme master of the alt right, and while they have been wrong before, he seems to embrace that. Also, retweets extreme right paramilitia (e.g. one Shane Bauer).

Great find!

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Aneris wrote:[*]24) I have not followed the PizzaGate thing, and know nothing about it. Kirbmarc explained yesterday that Sargon was also treating this "somewhat seriously". It turns out Pettibone (i.e. the issue here) is not only a Far Right activist, but als"one of the first proponents" of the Pizzagate conspiracy.
To clarify: what I meant is that Sargon's response to PizzaGate wasn't an endorsement. Far from it.

Cliffnotes on PizzaGate: it's a series of allegations, ranging from the completely ridiculous and insane to the somewhat less ridiculous and insane but very, very poorly evidenced that a pedophile ring exists among the higher echelons of the Democratic Party/Clinton campaign.

The main claims of the PizzaGate conspiracy theory are:

-some of the emails of John Podesta (one of the leaders of the Clinton campaign) leaked through WikiLeaks contain weirdly phrased sentences (true) that according to the PizzaGate supporters are coded language for references to child rape, child sexual slavery, child prostitution etc. (zero evidence, entirely speculative);

-John Podesta and his brother Tony possess artwork which contains images of children in states of undress (debatable, poorly evidenced) as well as themes like cannibalism or violence/BSDM (true in part, but the connection between the artwork and the conspiracy is flimsy);

-John Podesta and his brother Tony, along with other Democratic bigwigs, frequented a Washington pizza parlor called Comet Ping Pong, mentioned in the emails leaked through WikiLeaks. The owner of Comet PingPong is an openly gay man, James Alefantis. Alefantis is alleged to be a child rapist due to his name (allegedly sounding like "J'aime les enfants", "I love children" in French), due to some of his social media containing adult sexual imagery and BDSM themes with homosexual undertones (true in part but not evidence of sexual attraction to minors, better explained as homosexual/BDSM erotica, also a lot of the images alleged to be on Alefantis' social media were on his friends' social media or were even taken from random websites), due to alleged "pedophilia symbols" in the artwork in his pizza parlour (absolutely ridiculous) and due to anonymous rumors of children running around unsupervised in the parlor (...).

The pizza parlor was alleged to have an underground chamber connected to underground tunnels were children were smuggled in to be made part of sexual abuse, satanic rituals and torture. No evidence of these tunnels has been found.

Very weak sauce, but it led to a nutter turning up at the pizzaparlor, armed with a knife and a rifle, wanting to see the underground chambers and tunnels. Luckily the nutter surrendered after he found no evidence of such tunnels and no one was injured. Some conspiracy theorists think this was a deliberate attempt to discredit the conspiracy theory (classic conspiracy theory move: everything is re-interpreted to support the conspiracy)

-John Podesta and his brother Tony are alleged to look like the descriptions of the men who were hanging around the apartment where Madeleine McCann stayed with her parents before she disappeared. McCann is a child who infamously disappeared in Portugal in 2003, abduction by a ring of child rapists had been suggested as a theory for her disappearance years before the PizzaGate conspiracy (actually the men to which the Podesta brothers are said to look like are different sketches of the same man, and there's very weak evidence that the Podestas were even in Portugal around that time);

-apparently a woman connected to the Clinton Foundation was detained for having violated laws on child abduction while working as a relief worker in Haiti (true, but there was no allegation of child sexual abuse, only of a possible violation of local codes by someone who was working to assist children).

Sargon didn't support any of those allegations. He went out of his way to say that there is NO evidence for the conspiracy.

However he then produced this video:

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Cliffnotes on the video:

-the specific conspiracy theory is the fruit of an "echo chamber" with no evidence

-however it's not necessarily ridiculous, because child abuse rings among powerful people have been proven to exist

-news articles about child pedophile rings around the world, some of them connected to powerful people and famous personalities (like the Portuguese Casa Pia scandal, the Jimmy Savile scandal and the allegation of a child abuse network in Hollywood from Corey Feldman and others, like allegations of a child abuse ring in Westminster in the 1980s and claims of a VIP pedophile ring in Australia);

-news about Jeff Epstein, a billionaire convicted for having abused underage women, along with allegations that other famous political figures (including Prince Andrew of the United Kingdom and Bill Clinton) were part of child abuse at Epstein's house. Interestingly Epstein was alleged to have molested an underage woman along with Donald Trump,

-the Kim Noble case, a woman who is alleged to have been sexually abused at a young age and as a result to suffer from "Dissociative Identity Disorder". Allegedly memories have been recovered thanks to the confirmed bullshit recovery of memories through hypnosis. "Dissociative Identity Disorder" is also highly suspected of being the fruit of misdiagnosis rather than a real mental disease (according to Wikipedia no systematic, empirically supported definition of "dissociation" exists). The paintings which Noble makes, which show silhouttes of people allegedly engaging in child sexual abuse, are presented by Sargon as "the effect of child sexual abuse" (This is the part where I think Sargon lost the plot, since this is a highly suspicious story, very poorly evidenced, where the paintings of a woman with an unclear mental issue are deemed to be evidence of sexual abuse, and Sargon goes on to accuse skeptics of being "deniers").

TL;DR: Sargon didn't support PizzaGate, however he suggested that the idea of a child sexual abuse ring among Washington insider connected to Hillary Clinton was to be taken seriously.

That's all.

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Aneris wrote:
Mortal enemies :D

Don't know the other names, but it was fun to look them up. They have in common that they are apparently truthers, conspiracy loons and people fond of David Icke and Alex Jones. Mike Cernovich is listed as "New Nationalism", "Masculism", "Alt-right" on Wikipedia, also promoted the PizzaGate thing, surprise surprise, and uses trolling to "build his brand". New Yorker called him meme master of the alt right, and while they have been wrong before, he seems to embrace that. Also, retweets extreme right paramilitia (e.g. one Shane Bauer).

Great find!
#AltRightGate.

There are no doubt connections between conspiracy loons and right-wing elements in the US, and those right-wing elements support Donald Trump.

Where you lose the plot, Aneris, is when you think that they're all White Supremacists/Neo-Nazis. They're not, they're more similar to the conservative, "patriot" John Birch Society than the German neo-nazis. I think you either don't understand the distinction or don't consider it significant.

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What makes me think you're very wrong, Aneris, is that you seem to either ignore (deliberately or not) that there is a spectrum of right-wing political opinions just like there's a spectrum of left-wing political opinions. You pot together moderate right-wingers with extreme ones, "Patriot" American extreme right-wingers with neo-nazis, civic nationalists with ethnic nationalists, and to think that contacts and personal friendships mean identity of ideas and purposes.

If someone said that ALL leftist parties and movements are SJWs you'd surely object that this isn't the case, and that (for example) Bernie Sanders in the US was less keen on siding with race-baiters and Regressives than the Hillary Clinton staff, which is true.

But you have no qualms about suggesting that all right-wing people or center-right people who aren't explicitly anti-Trump are all ethnic nationalists, racists, "laying the pipes for a neo-nazi agenda", etc.

You're building a narrative which puts together libertarians, civic nationalists, Trump fans who are pro-isolationism, strict constitutionalists, old style conservatives, etc. with ethnic nationalists, white supremacists and neo-nazis.

They have SOME things in common, just like you and I and the SJWs have no doubt SOME things in common (for example both you, I and the SJWs are pro-LGBT rights, pro-women rights, pro-government regulated healthcare, etc.) but they aren't one and the same.

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Kirbmarc wrote:#AltRightGate.

There are no doubt connections between conspiracy loons and right-wing elements in the US, and those right-wing elements support Donald Trump.

Where you lose the plot, Aneris, is when you think that they're all White Supremacists/Neo-Nazis. They're not, they're more similar to the conservative, "patriot" John Birch Society than the German neo-nazis. I think you either don't understand the distinction or don't consider it significant.
I am not saying they are all supremacist or nazis. My claim has been, since the start that there is a noticable Alt Right influence in the A/S/rational/critical-thinker/however-you-want-to-name it, corner, which I described colourfully as laying pipes for the far right. It pisses me off that you apparently remember some half sentences very well, but forget each time how I wrote several times that I am actually am subbed to them, and not as way of "enemy watch".

In my view I made a rather modest proposal in light of the overwhelming and even to me surprising evidence. Until today, I didn't even know Dave Computing Forever apparently shared Daily Stormer in what looks loke an MRA stream. See the Creationist Cat video for that. I stress that I don't know the full context, but you see enough to gather that this is not meant as a joke, Dave is saying it with his own words, and the message he is sharing is generally in line with his views. So I have all reasons to believe that this is legit. Just another example.

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Antifa was justified because the pro-trump rally was itself an act of violence.
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Aneris wrote:Debunking: "There is no Alt Right influence in the A/S/rationals etc corner whatsoever, and the opinion leaders in no way further their narratives", part 235, The Culture Warriors.
Granting, for the sake of argument, that there is a pervasive alt-right influence in the A/S/rationals etc corner, who cares? Are you equally concerned about the post modernist, communist and/or Marxist influence in the SJW sphere? If not, why not?

I think modern day communists are bigger danger to modern society than the alt-right, but I do not advocate censoring them, or otherwise shutting them down. I do think their influence in academia is major a problem. I think their influence in culture (e.g. Hollywood) is a major problem. I do not, however, think they should be seriously given helicopter rides. I think the alt-right is a reaction, not a cause in-and-of itself. Therefore, treating the alt-right as a huge problem that needs to be shut down and censored at every term is misguided, as it'll just keep coming back stronger until the post modernist contagion is dealt with.

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Aneris wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:#AltRightGate.

There are no doubt connections between conspiracy loons and right-wing elements in the US, and those right-wing elements support Donald Trump.

Where you lose the plot, Aneris, is when you think that they're all White Supremacists/Neo-Nazis. They're not, they're more similar to the conservative, "patriot" John Birch Society than the German neo-nazis. I think you either don't understand the distinction or don't consider it significant.
I am not saying they are all supremacist or nazis. My claim has been, since the start that there is a noticable Alt Right influence in the A/S/rational/critical-thinker/however-you-want-to-name it, corner, which I described colourfully as laying pipes for the far right. It pisses me off that you apparently remember some half sentences very well, but forget each time how I wrote several times that I am actually am subbed to them, and not as way of "enemy watch".
"Colourfully" is a very nice way of putting it, Aneris. You're insinuating things, wink-wink nudge-nudge style, when you're not openly accusing anyone who disagree with you of laying pipes for the "far-right" (what, no nazis now?).

You have only yourself to blame if people think you're over-reaching, since you've been playing this as a motte-and-bailey game from the start, with a kernel of known truth (people like Mike Cernovitch are very right wing and there are many right-wingers among critics of SJWs! What a shock!) and a hyperbolic conspiracy theory (the memes aren't jokes, they're real neo-nazi memes! they're laying the pipes for neo-nazi agendas, and if disagree you're doing it too, albeit maybe naively!).

You also seem to equate "right wing" with "authoritarianism" (at best) and neo-nazism (at worst). You have a history of doing this, you've even infamously called the SJWs "right-wing authoritarians". You have, quite clearly, a huge bias in favor of left-wing ideas and against right-wing ideas.

If you want to be taken more seriously you need to stop using hyperbolic, "colourful" language and state your case more plainly and clearly. What is it that you're alleging, a right-wing presence among the nebulous "anti-SJW movement" (which was known from the beginning, and includes pretty diverse ranges of right-wingers, from reasonable to insane) or a neo-nazi/white supremacist plan to take over criticism of SJWs (which is rather less likely, even among those who are Trump supporters)?

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But seriously. How can the right/anti SJWmcausembe wrong when we have Glenn, Southern, Shoe and Pettibone and the SJ left has Watson, Greta and SZvan.

Is there a single attractive woman amongst the whole baboon circus? And no, don't even try with Anita or Laci Green.

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So it appears dreadlocked 'Punching Nazi Girl' doubles up as a porn star. :lol:


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Brive1987 wrote:But seriously. How can the right/anti SJWmcausembe wrong when we have Glenn, Southern, Shoe and Pettibone and the SJ left has Watson, Greta and SZvan.

Is there a single attractive woman amongst the whole baboon circus? And no, don't even try with Anita or Laci Green.
Cristina Rad?

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Seriously, though, there's a surprisingly high number of people among SJWs who don't seem to care about how they look and really let themselves go. I blame fat acceptance activism. :lol:

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Fuck those dreds look like the long turd of a constipated llama.

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Christina Rad had views that would now be considered alt-right, given she was into men's rights.

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Aneris wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:#AltRightGate.

There are no doubt connections between conspiracy loons and right-wing elements in the US, and those right-wing elements support Donald Trump.

Where you lose the plot, Aneris, is when you think that they're all White Supremacists/Neo-Nazis. They're not, they're more similar to the conservative, "patriot" John Birch Society than the German neo-nazis. I think you either don't understand the distinction or don't consider it significant.
I am not saying they are all supremacist or nazis. My claim has been, since the start that there is a noticable Alt Right influence in the A/S/rational/critical-thinker/however-you-want-to-name it, corner, which I described colourfully as laying pipes for the far right. It pisses me off that you apparently remember some half sentences very well, but forget each time how I wrote several times that I am actually am subbed to them, and not as way of "enemy watch".

In my view I made a rather modest proposal in light of the overwhelming and even to me surprising evidence. Until today, I didn't even know Dave Computing Forever apparently shared Daily Stormer in what looks loke an MRA stream. See the Creationist Cat video for that. I stress that I don't know the full context, but you see enough to gather that this is not meant as a joke, Dave is saying it with his own words, and the message he is sharing is generally in line with his views. So I have all reasons to believe that this is legit. Just another example.

There are a shed load of liberal skeptics who really won't (can't) mount an effective push back to illiberal SJWism. The pit was or is a lot like this in many ways. Conceptually the problem is clear. But pragmatic RL opposition is anathema.

The close correlation of political and cultural elites has meant that opposition to the former has emboldened a new group to take on the latter. And much of what the looney right has to say makes sense.

Should Islam go above and beyond in clearly placing itself within the host cultural norm? Yep.

Are economically secure (tradional) heterosexual families a best practice template for social cohesion ? I'd buy that without consigning alternatives to the fire.

Should the ratbag left be let alone unchallenged to run amok ? Nope. The challenge is to find the equiv of activist Shoe. Politically incorrect without the tendency to pizzagate.

So yeah. There is an alt-right tinge to the rational forces of good. But that is the consequence of having waited for a counter-revolution. If the regressive left caused Trump, the passive liberals created the need for MAGA. Suck it up.

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Kirbmarc wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:But seriously. How can the right/anti SJWmcausembe wrong when we have Glenn, Southern, Shoe and Pettibone and the SJ left has Watson, Greta and SZvan.

Is there a single attractive woman amongst the whole baboon circus? And no, don't even try with Anita or Laci Green.
Cristina Rad?

http://iv1.lisimg.com/image/4144586/592 ... na-rad.jpg

Seriously, though, there's a surprisingly high number of people among SJWs who don't seem to care about how they look and really let themselves go. I blame fat acceptance activism. :lol:
Ok. The exception that proves the rule. But I reckon she was less a true believer than RW.

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shoutinghorse wrote:So it appears dreadlocked 'Punching Nazi Girl' doubles up as a porn star. :lol:


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You really don't want to look do you? :naughty:

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Keating wrote:
Aneris wrote:Debunking: "There is no Alt Right influence in the A/S/rationals etc corner whatsoever, and the opinion leaders in no way further their narratives", part 235, The Culture Warriors.
Granting, for the sake of argument, that there is a pervasive alt-right influence in the A/S/rationals etc corner, who cares? Are you equally concerned about the post modernist, communist and/or Marxist influence in the SJW sphere? If not, why not?

I think modern day communists are bigger danger to modern society than the alt-right, but I do not advocate censoring them, or otherwise shutting them down. I do think their influence in academia is major a problem. I think their influence in culture (e.g. Hollywood) is a major problem. I do not, however, think they should be seriously given helicopter rides. I think the alt-right is a reaction, not a cause in-and-of itself. Therefore, treating the alt-right as a huge problem that needs to be shut down and censored at every term is misguided, as it'll just keep coming back stronger until the post modernist contagion is dealt with.
Yeah, right. I am not concerned about postmodernism and SJWism at all. I just signed up four years (already?) ago and argued about that since then and am probably still ahead of the curve regarding the knowledge about it. But arguing with the cult here for maybe two days on Alt Right completely invalidates all of that. My censorship goes that far, I am still subbed to Sargon and Lauren Southern and even Dave Computing Forever. That will change though now.
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Aha. Wink-wink nudge-nudge!? But calling things too extremly by the name. You can't keep your own story straight. Still not. It's also nice that you simply copy and pasted my criticism from the beginning. You got a ton of evidence, which you have all dismissed. Let's resolve that. I normally don't use the ignore, and had only some inactive people on it. I add you now, and thereby don't care what you think, what you say, whether you sympathize with Alt Right or Neo Nazis or not, or whatever else you have to offer. Sounds fair, I guess.

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The guy who hit the Antifa woman has been identified as a white supremacist guy who used to lead the youth wing of a nationalist organisation. He's also a convicted robber who was converted in prison by reading David Duke. He's also an ex-marine who went to Iraq and has drug and alcohol issues.

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What are the odds? An equal and opposite reaction.

Don't forget. It was the left that really ramped the street action up after Trump's victory and in the context of originally defending against the rights assumed tendency to violence when they lost the unwinnable election.

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piginthecity wrote:The guy who hit the Antifa woman has been identified as a white supremacist guy who used to lead the youth wing of a nationalist organisation. He's also a convicted robber who was converted in prison by reading David Duke. He's also an ex-marine who went to Iraq and has drug and alcohol issues.

Just the type of Nazi she wanted to 'scalp' then. :nin:

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Aneris wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:
Aha. Wink-wink nudge-nudge!? But calling things too extremly by the name. You can't keep your own story straight. Still not. It's also nice that you simply copy and pasted my criticism from the beginning. You got a ton of evidence, which you have all dismissed. Let's resolve that. I normally don't use the ignore, and had only some inactive people on it. I add you now, and thereby don't care what you think, what you say, whether you sympathize with Alt Right or Neo Nazis or not, or whatever else you have to offer. Sounds fair, I guess.

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WInk-wink nudge nudge is what you're doing now, by feigning shock at the fact that people like Mike Cernovitch are very right wing, and by saying "oh my god these people are following each other on Twitter!". The extremism is from the beginning of the debate when you were freely accusing people of being in service of neo-nazi agendas, before you backpedaled like crazy and said you really didn't mean it, which I let it slide, convinced you were also going to let it slide and approach the issue from a more rational point of view.

I also haven't "dismissed" evidence, I have addressed it by providing counter-evidence to show that your interpretation had issues (like when you whined about the gallows for politicians in the AFD movement and I replied that that kind of violent rhetoric isn't exactly unheard of in many other political movements, even on the left.

The problem is, Aneris, that you want to have your cake and eat it, too. You want to accuse people of being neo-nazi sympathizers, then you want to say you're still following them and they're not the enemy.

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Keating wrote:Granting, for the sake of argument, that there is a pervasive alt-right influence in the A/S/rationals etc corner, who cares? Are you equally concerned about the post modernist, communist and/or Marxist influence in the SJW sphere? If not, why not?
That seems pretty obvious. Skepticism is something worth preserving wheras SJWism is not. I for one am only concerned about the negative influences on groups I dislike to the extent that I feel I need to understand my enemy to oppose them. But I don't really care if someone's pissing into an existing puddle of piss.

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:lol: :lol: :lol:

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jugheadnaut wrote: On the other side, there's the belief that antifa consists of upper middle class humanities grad students who will shrivel away at the first sign of personal danger to themselves. There might be some truth in this, but there could also very well be modern day Bill Ayerses and Bernadine Dohrns among them.
I'd say it's feasible that lots of these whitebread types have gotten involved recently, but from my brushes with antifa people (in the UK, anyway) there are plenty of very shady people who 'got their start' fist fighting coppers during the Thatcher years. In that timeframe the squatting scene took in a lot of people that, had they been 10 years older, would have been skinhead gang members.

I still hear mentions of "the fash" all the time, people talk like it's a uniform and organised thing that they are fighting against. A key point to all of this is that really what people are angry and fighting about are their hedonistic and unfulfilling lives. I'm sure it's analogous to how working class estate lads end up in soccer violence, but for a different type of person. I see this very clearly now, after decades of involvement with DIY music (antifa is 100% nested in that world) I encounter sad/angry people who have become extremists all the time.

In my view this kind of standoff will escalate until people start getting shot or stabbed, and then it's going to be heavy police involvement.

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Even Peez deserves a happy ending :lol:

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Aneris wrote:Yeah, right. I am not concerned about postmodernism and SJWism at all. I just signed up four years (already?) ago and argued about that since then and am probably still ahead of the curve regarding the knowledge about it. But arguing with the cult here for maybe two days on Alt Right completely invalidates all of that. My censorship goes that far, I am still subbed to Sargon and Lauren Southern and even Dave Computing Forever. That will change though now.
If you want to make fun of the stupid shit Sargon and Southern say on the pit, I doubt anyone will have a problem with that. (e.g. when the Thunderf00t criticism of Southern's reporting at Trump's inauguration was posted). What I object to is your implicit attack on freedom of association.

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That is the most disturbing pit-shop I've ever seen.

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