Problem with your plan is that the block lands on the organism at the wrong end of the lead...Brive1987 wrote:Are you suggesting an intervention? Beats my plan.MarcusAu wrote:Well if Matt is looking for a new dog...
...does anyone know of someone that is not really suited to being an owner?
And I'm sure a rural rather than an urban environment is better for a dog too.
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Clennel also claimed to have been "treated like a terrorist" and accused the British institutions of treating honest people like her like criminals:Irene Clennel wrote:My husband, John, who I help care for, is a British citizen. I have British children and a grandchild. If I can be taken away from my home in a County Durham village to a detention centre in Scotland overnight, and then spirited out of the country on a Sunday when there was no access to legal advice, what chance does anyone else have?
Clennel enjoyed significant financial support due to her story:Irene Clennel wrote:Everything that took place last weekend was the latest step in a long story of an immigration system that provides no adequate support to claimants, and does its best to treat honest people like liars and thieves. For some time now, I have filled out long and complex application forms repeatedly, only to be told that I have been given the wrong form or that the application is invalid for some technical reason.
The story was widely shared on social media and attracted considerable attention. However poignantly told the story is, though, there are some questions which skeptics should ask themselves, chiefly why was Clennel deported, which significantly isn't specified in her article.Irene Clennel wrote:The Home Office’s legal position seems to be that it is in the public interest to override my right to a family life. Yet from the British public I have received nothing but sympathy and kindness. Messages of support have flooded in from people I have never met. The appeal set up on my behalf has now raised over £50,000, more than double its initial target. This is invaluable – I was forced out with just £12 in my pocket. And I am lucky to have access to a secure roof over my head, thanks to my sister, who has three children and is currently sleeping on the sofa. I would certainly not have been able to afford the costs of legal advice otherwise.
Q:Is it true that Irene Clennell has lived in the UK for 30 years as reported in Buzzfeed?
A: No, it isn't! Here are the facts. Irene lived in the UK from 1988 to 1992 (4 years) before the whole family moved to Singapore from 1992 to 1998. She then stayed on in Singapore whilst her husband returned to the UK with their two children - the reason why she stayed on was because her elderly parents were in poor health and needed caring for. The returned to the UK from 2003 to 2005 (a further 2 years), but then she returns to Singapore after that. She then returns to the UK in 2013 and she stayed here until she was deported a few days ago (a further 4 years). So let's do the maths kids: what is 4 + 4 + 2 = ? That makes 10. Can you count? She lived in the UK for 10 years, not 30.
Q: So is Angela - Irene's sister-in-law, a scammer? Is she breaking the law by raising money by cooking up a version of the story that isn't true at all, by claiming that Irene had lived in the country for 30 years when Irene had spent less than 10 years in the UK? How can she do that - lie to the public like that? Isn't that downright illegal?
A: It is clear that Angela has lied and that she has succeeded in swaying public sympathy on the basis of a lie - if she had been truthful, then I doubt the public reaction would be one of sympathy. It would have been more like, "well, this woman made a grave mistake and needs to take responsibility for her error." But now, Angela has made it look like Irene is an innocent victim but the story doesn't add up at all. There are glaring holes in the story Angela Clennell has presented: she didn't once mention how Irene willfully flouted the terms and conditions of her visa, she didn't once mention how Irene had overstayed her visitor's visa. She didn't mention anything about the time that Irene had chosen to live in Singapore (11 years at the longest stretch from 1992 to 2003) - did the details of the case conveniently slip her mind or did she deliberately lie? Oh I don't doubt that Angela Clennell is a big fat liar and the story that she presented on the GoFundMe page is nothing short of a piece of fiction. This woman isn't an intelligent fraudster at all.
To sum it up: Irene's sister falsely claimed that Irene had continuously lived in the UK for 30 (or later 29) years, which Irene herself later heavily implied to be true, while actually she left in 1992, returned in 2003, left in 2005 and returned again in 2013. Irene Clennel explicitly violated the rules of her visa and wasn't expelled arbitrarily from the UK. She also never applied for a British citizenship.Q: How did Irene mess this up so badly?
A: Irene made an assumption and in her own words, "Initially when I applied for indefinite leave to remain I got it no problem at all. So I thought when you're married down here, you're entitled to be here." She made an assumption about her right to live in the UK just because she was married to a British man. But the rules of her indefinite leave to remain clearly state that you cannot spend more than 2 years away from the UK when on this visa. If you stay away for more than 2 years, then it automatically invalidates your visa regardless of how many family members (husband, children, grandchildren etc) you may have in the UK. Irene left the UK in 1992 and only tried to return in 2003 after having spent 11 years away. Now is the number 11 bigger or smaller than 2? That's right, she violated the terms and conditions of her indefinite leave to remain visa by staying away from the UK for long 11 years. Now you can debate till the cows come home about whether 2 years is too short a grace period for someone in that position to spend away from the UK and retain that visa, but I'm not here to debate the relative merits of those rules - I'm just here to point out to you where Irene has messed up. She made an assumption rather than verifying what the rules were. Duh.
Or that Irene has more work and social ties to the UK rather in Singapore:Q: But this woman just wants to be with her family, the UK government is being very cruel to split up a family like that - can compassion be shown to Irene even if she did break some of the immigration rules? Can mercy be shown?
A: Irene chose to spend time away from her husband and family from the period of 1998 to 2003. She was in Singapore caring for her sick mother whilst her husband had returned to the UK with their children then. That is 5 years apart. For a woman who claimed to want to be with her family, you can look back at the period of their 27 year marriage and say, "hang on - you've only actually lived together for the period of 1990 to 1998 (8 years), then 2003 to 2005 (2 years) and then 2013 to 2017 (4 years). That makes a total of just 14 years out of a 27 year marriage - you were living together for barely half the time. How many married couples actually spend half the time they are married living 8 time zones apart? The fact that her husband John did live in Singapore from the period 1992 to 1998 shows that it wasn't impossible for John to live in Singapore and be with his wife that way. The statistics show a couple who aren't close at all, so for her to claim that she just wants to be with her family after spending half her marriage practically estranged from her husband, you can see why she has at best, a weak case as the evidence is reveals.
Or that she's a destitute, penniless woman who was cast out to a country where she has no ties, with no money to her name:Q: But Irene claimed, "I don’t have anything in Singapore. I don’t have a house to go to, I don’t have a job. I feel closer to my mother-in-law and sister-in-law than my family in Singapore. My parents are both dead and I only have one sister there and we’re not that close. I’m British. When I’m here I feel at home. If I go to Singapore nobody will accept me there because they see me as a British woman. I wear Western clothes and my whole culture is here."
A: I'm sorry to be a bitch but Irene did spend more of her life in Singapore than the UK. Her accent is totally Singaporean - she doesn't sound British at all. She is 53 years old and lived at best 10 years in the UK, 43 years in Singapore. It seems ironic that she wants to live in the UK so badly now but that seems to contradict her actions in the past, when she passed up the chance to live in the UK and went out of her way to spend extended periods in Singapore. And it is utter bullshit that nobody will accept her as a British woman - that's fucking racist. Singapore is a big, modern, metropolis with 5.5 million people. Nobody is asking you to run for public office in Singapore or win some kind of popularity contest - you just have to settle in, find a job, find new friends like all other adults. And it's not like we're sending you to a country you know nothing about - you spent 43 years there, may I remind you Irene and by that token, you know Singapore a lot better than you'll ever know the UK where you've spent just 10 years. The remark about western clothes just takes the piss - look my mother is as Singaporean as they come and I've never ever seen her in a Cheong Sam, Sarong Kebaya or Sari. Where did she think she was being deported to - Riyadh? Tehran?
Or even that there has never been a solution for Irene's problem:Q: They deported her with just £12 (S$20) in her pocket - how do they expect her to survive in Singapore?
A: Irene is not being completely honest here - she is trying to portray herself as this poor grandmother being deported, yet in the BBC interview, she admitted that, "Mrs Clennell did not apply for a British passport because Singapore does not allow dual nationality, and she needed to remain a Singapore national to live in a government flat there." So that suggests that Irene does have a HDB flat in Singapore (or at least had one in the past). Could Irene have rented a HDB flat in Singapore? That is highly unlikely as there are very strict rules to qualify for the HDB Public Rental Scheme - currently, the income ceiling is S$1500 per month, per household. And that's the 2017 income ceiling, in the 1990s, it would have been around £1000. Did she and her husband get by with less than $1000 a month in Singapore, bringing up two children? No, that seems implausible - leaving the only reason why Irene wanted to hold on to her Singaporean passport was to purchase a HDB flat. Now even back in the 1990s, those flats weren't cheap at all and some of the nicer HDB flats today can cost as over S$1 million. This suggests that Irene isn't the pitiful, penniless grandmother as suggested, but someone trying to make a property investment in Singapore in the 1990s, it was for that nice HDB flat.
This looks like a case where lack of skepticism, lack of research and an emotional hook have led journalists to publish and give prominence to a story which is seriously flawed at best and downright misleading at worst.Q: Surely someone along the way has uttered the words 'Surinder Singh' as a solution? Even I know it.
A: For those of you not familiar with the Surinder Singh route, it is fairly simple. John would have to live and work in another EU country for 3 months and he can legally bring Irene along there as his wife. Once they have spent 3 months there, they can then assert the rights associated with EEA citizenship and free movement to gain access to the UK while being covered by European law. It is a bizarre law but a loophole nonetheless that still remains open as this page on the government's website indicates. Even if John cannot speak another European language, he can always go to Ireland which is another English speaking EU country and get some lowly paid blue collar work, the donations (totaling over £52,000 as we speak) can cover their living expenses in Ireland for the period of three months whilst they do the 'Surinder Singh' application. It can be done and I can't imagine why they haven't considered that route.
Fucking amateur...Shatterface wrote:Pit kill.
Where's my bounty?
Yes, it's called "journalism" these days.Kirbmarc wrote:
This looks like a case where lack of skepticism, lack of research and an emotional hook have led journalists to publish and give prominence to a story which is seriously flawed at best and downright misleading at worst.
well then, as per tradition...Matt Cavanaugh wrote:Hi all. I've been very busy with personal & business matters and needed to concentrate on things in front of me, so I severely curtailed my online presence. Hopefully an exciting announcement before long on the business end!
My dog died yesterday and I needed some cheering up so I stopped by.
I'm 1,429 pages behind, and plan on commenting on most of that as I catch up.
Welcome back. You have come back at a good time, with Jamie Kilstien, a "pal" of Rebecca Watson and PZ Myers, getting thrown out of the SJW cult amid (vague, predictably) accusations of shitty behaviour around women. :lol:Matt Cavanaugh wrote:Hi all. I've been very busy with personal & business matters and needed to concentrate on things in front of me, so I severely curtailed my online presence. Hopefully an exciting announcement before long on the business end!
My dog died yesterday and I needed some cheering up so I stopped by.
I'm 1,429 pages behind, and plan on commenting on most of that as I catch up.
Careful - accusing a Kraut of being a neo-Nazi could get them deported to Sachsenhausen or somewhere like that!gurugeorge wrote:Wrong arm eh? You're suspiciously familiar with Nazi protocol ;)Aneris wrote:The upper Nazi looks East European. The lower one looks American, appearance, possessing such items and raising the wrong arm -- cultural appropriation!
You must be wrong -- he's Swiss, and therefore has no sense of humor.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:I sense sarcasm in Kirb's latest...
No, that's the Germans. I live in the Italian part of the Switzerland.dogen wrote:You must be wrong -- he's Swiss, and therefore has no sense of humor.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:I sense sarcasm in Kirb's latest...
:cdc:
LOL^3CommanderTuvok wrote: Welcome back. You have come back at a good time, with Jamie Kilstien, a "pal" of Rebecca Watson and PZ Myers, getting thrown out of the SJW cult amid (vague, predictably) accusations of shitty behaviour around women. :lol:
The Intercept was co-founded, by the way, by Islam-apologist Glenn Greenwald.Anti-Trump Communist Arrested For Jewish Community Center Bomb Threats
A disgraced former reporter was arrested by the Federal Bureau of Investigation Friday for several bomb threats to Jewish Community Centers, Jewish schools and other Jewish organizations around the country.
Juan Thompson, 31, was arrested in St. Louis by the FBI for making at least eight bomb threats and the cyberstalking of an ex-girlfriend. Thompson was a former reporter for The Intercept, and was fired after it was discovered that he made up sources and stories, including one about Charleston shooter Dylann Roof.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/03/anti- ... z4aHowhZFzThe criminal complaint states that threats made to the Jewish establishments across the country by Thompson were under his name and the name of his ex-girlfriend, and occurred after the relationship ended. The threats were made by both email and phone calls.
Dozens of Jewish Community Center bomb threats have occurred throughout the country since President Donald Trump’s election, and liberal groups and politicians have attacked Trump for them. The president condemned the threats during his address to Congress, but he reportedly said earlier that day, “sometimes it’s the reverse, to make people — or to make others — look bad.”
MarcusAu wrote:Well if Matt is looking for a new dog...
...does anyone know of someone that is not really suited to being an owner?
And I'm sure a rural rather than an urban environment is better for a dog too.
Artisanal is not an adjective I've seen applied to bombs before.pro-boxing-fan wrote:CommanderTuvok wrote:About that Concordia bomb hoax.
Why are the dumb jerks at FTB convinced a "white man" or "Republican" was responsible?
The man arrested is named Hisham Saadi. Not sure what his background is, but I'm not convinced he is what the Baboons said he is? They might have jumped the gun, just a bit.
Fucking turdtards.
Hisham Saadi:
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This is the letter he sent:
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Nepos
3 March 2017 at 10:28 am
Helpful hint to “male feminists”–if your feelings are hurt when a woman tells you that she can’t trust you or that you can’t be a true feminist–you are part of the problem. You are indulging in male privilege.
The first step to becoming a true “male feminist” is to cultivate humility. Put aside your own feelings and empathize with others; show respect. Cultivate silence. Listen to women and think about what they say. As men in a patriarchal society, we have been conditioned to always “have the answers”, to always be in charge. Resist this conditioning. Be slow to contribute, and respect other’s boundaries. If someone asks you to stop, stop–consent applies to conversations as well as sex. And above all else, be willing to apologize.
“Destroy nothing, humble nothing… hold that which lives in the highest reverence.”
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/ ... n-thompsonDigital magazine The Intercept has fired reporter Juan Thompson after discovering “a pattern of deception” in his reporting. In a note to readers, editor-in-chief Betsy Reed revealed that Thompson had fabricated quotes in several stories and created email accounts in order to impersonate people.
“Thompson went to great lengths to deceive his editors, creating an email account to impersonate a source and lying about his reporting methods,” Reed wrote.
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:Thanks for the sympathies, Phil & Brive. Yes, he was 14 and a big dog, so quite old. But we'd spent nearly every day of those past 14 years together.
I wonder if he felt the feds were on to him, so he starts to push out a false narrative. This sort of trick works well for, say Russia Today and the Kremlin. Shot down a plane???? Well, start putting out lots of "conspiracies" and "theories" to deflect.Shatterface wrote:Thompson looks text-book SJW.
The 'right' rhetoric and opinions on everything:
Plot thickens:CommanderTuvok wrote:I wonder if he felt the feds were on to him, so he starts to push out a false narrative. This sort of trick works well for, say Russia Today and the Kremlin. Shot down a plane???? Well, start putting out lots of "conspiracies" and "theories" to deflect.Shatterface wrote:Thompson looks text-book SJW.
The 'right' rhetoric and opinions on everything:
I know we shouldn't engage in the "guilt by association" stuff, but I'm glad he has an association with Greenwald, the man who constantly misrepresents and uses the "guilt by association" tactic on others, especially Sam Harris, of course.
Suck it up, Greenwald!
Wait! A muslim accused of making threats against Jews? Not a member of the religion of peace! It must have been white supremacist false flag.Shatterface wrote:Also a convert, sorry, revert, to Islam?
He's like the SJW singularity.
Leopold von Sacher-Masoch would be proud.free thoughtpolice wrote:The latest comment on Jamie Kilstein. Who wouldn't want to be a a male feminist?Nepos
3 March 2017 at 10:28 am
Helpful hint to “male feminists”–if your feelings are hurt when a woman tells you that she can’t trust you or that you can’t be a true feminist–you are part of the problem. You are indulging in male privilege.
The first step to becoming a true “male feminist” is to cultivate humility. Put aside your own feelings and empathize with others; show respect. Cultivate silence. Listen to women and think about what they say. As men in a patriarchal society, we have been conditioned to always “have the answers”, to always be in charge. Resist this conditioning. Be slow to contribute, and respect other’s boundaries. If someone asks you to stop, stop–consent applies to conversations as well as sex. And above all else, be willing to apologize.
“Destroy nothing, humble nothing… hold that which lives in the highest reverence.”
One reason why I doubt Trump had Russian hookers peeing on him. He's not a male feminist.Leopold von Sacher-Masoch would be proud.
You mean it's no way to run a country?Brive1987 wrote:I don't really get why anyone thought the Apprentice could work divorced from its base premise.
Ah, the old "reverting to islam" shtick.Shatterface wrote:Also a convert, sorry, revert, to Islam?
He's like the SJW singularity.
:lol:free thoughtpolice wrote:One reason why I doubt Trump had Russian hookers peeing on him. He's not a male feminist.Leopold von Sacher-Masoch would be proud.
Sometimes I've wondered what would have happened if the Schwarzenegger supporters had got their way about amending the "natural born citizen" constitutional clause and Schwarzy had been elected POTUS.Brive1987 wrote:Ha. Trump has killed the Terminator.
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv- ... uqlss.html
Brive1987 wrote:Ha. Trump has killed the Terminator.
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv- ... uqlss.html
Make this happen.The pair had a testy exchange on social media, with Trump saying "they hired a big, big movie star, Arnold Schwarzenegger, to take my place, and we know how that turned out."
Schwarzenegger fired back: "I have a great idea, why don't we switch jobs?"
"You take over TV, because you're such an expert in ratings, and I take over your job," Schwarzenegger said. "And then people can finally sleep comfortably again."
Reading all this pathetic self-abasement lately has made me realise what an apt term "toilet slave" is. Who are these fucking people? Arseholes. :obscene-birdiedoublered:free thoughtpolice wrote:The latest comment on Jamie Kilstein. Who wouldn't want to be a a male feminist?Nepos
3 March 2017 at 10:28 am
Helpful hint to “male feminists”–if your feelings are hurt when a woman tells you that she can’t trust you or that you can’t be a true feminist–you are part of the problem. You are indulging in male privilege.
The first step to becoming a true “male feminist” is to cultivate humility. Put aside your own feelings and empathize with others; show respect. Cultivate silence. Listen to women and think about what they say. As men in a patriarchal society, we have been conditioned to always “have the answers”, to always be in charge. Resist this conditioning. Be slow to contribute, and respect other’s boundaries. If someone asks you to stop, stop–consent applies to conversations as well as sex. And above all else, be willing to apologize.
“Destroy nothing, humble nothing… hold that which lives in the highest reverence.”
:lol: :lol:Shatterface wrote:You mean it's no way to run a country?Brive1987 wrote:I don't really get why anyone thought the Apprentice could work divorced from its base premise.
People too often forget or willingly ignore that Mo himself had sex with a nine year old girl. If you think that the catholic church has a child rape problem...well no significant muslim religious authority has ever condemned sexual relationships between adult men and underage girls, not even pre-puberal ones. Let that sink in.free thoughtpolice wrote:[.youtube][/youtube]
*Ahem*...shoutinghorse wrote:MarcusAu wrote:Well if Matt is looking for a new dog...
...does anyone know of someone that is not really suited to being an owner?
And I'm sure a rural rather than an urban environment is better for a dog too.
just a suggestion ..
http://i.imgur.com/6TAss7G.png
Are those red herrings?free thoughtpolice wrote:I was talking about the herring massing in the waters near my house. Department of fisheries has been making assessments of the stocks in the area between my house and an island 5 miles away and have so far estimated 60,000 tonnes of fish. Depending on sizes I would guess that particular mass is between 1/2 billion and a billion fish.
I wish we had a native Arab speaker here to confirm the subtitles.free thoughtpolice wrote:[youtube][/youtube]
FFS, I swear that I would vote for Adolf Hitler's ghost and support it 100% and let the world burn before a concede one blade of grass to these motherfuckering cunts.free thoughtpolice wrote:The latest comment on Jamie Kilstein. Who wouldn't want to be a a male feminist?Nepos
3 March 2017 at 10:28 am
Helpful hint to “male feminists”–if your feelings are hurt when a woman tells you that she can’t trust you or that you can’t be a true feminist–you are part of the problem. You are indulging in male privilege.
The first step to becoming a true “male feminist” is to cultivate humility. Put aside your own feelings and empathize with others; show respect. Cultivate silence. Listen to women and think about what they say. As men in a patriarchal society, we have been conditioned to always “have the answers”, to always be in charge. Resist this conditioning. Be slow to contribute, and respect other’s boundaries. If someone asks you to stop, stop–consent applies to conversations as well as sex. And above all else, be willing to apologize.
“Destroy nothing, humble nothing… hold that which lives in the highest reverence.”
I would have thought you would vote for Hitler's Ghost unconditionally. :think:FFS, I swear that I would vote for Adolf Hitler's ghost and support it 100% and let the world burn before a concede one blade of grass to these motherfuckering cunts.
Hitler's ghost did nothing wrong.free thoughtpolice wrote:I would have thought you would vote for Hitler's Ghost unconditionally. :think:FFS, I swear that I would vote for Adolf Hitler's ghost and support it 100% and let the world burn before a concede one blade of grass to these motherfuckering cunts.
In the interview where Coons was quoted saying that he also says he hasn't seen the evidence admitting it is speculation.pro-boxing-fan wrote:Should we add "believes" to the list of words that are losing their meaning?
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At this point, I'm not surprised by any story about a gov't official using private email accounts. No, the part of that story that was shocking to me is that AOL still exists. Was he using a dial-up 1200 baud modem?free thoughtpolice wrote:http://www.indystar.com/story/news/poli ... /98604904/
In other words: inable was I ere I saw Idris.Guest_a32cc8da wrote:A lack of a black James Bond will inevitably lead to terrorist attacks,
Pence is so tight with God, his emails are raptured up into the Cloud.Billie from Ockham wrote:At this point, I'm not surprised by any story about a gov't official using private email accounts. No, the part of that story that was shocking to me is that AOL still exists. Was he using a dial-up 1200 baud modem?free thoughtpolice wrote:http://www.indystar.com/story/news/poli ... /98604904/
This is how the SJWs get their "muscle".free thoughtpolice wrote:The latest comment on Jamie Kilstein. Who wouldn't want to be a a male feminist?Nepos
3 March 2017 at 10:28 am
Helpful hint to “male feminists”–if your feelings are hurt when a woman tells you that she can’t trust you or that you can’t be a true feminist–you are part of the problem. You are indulging in male privilege.
The first step to becoming a true “male feminist” is to cultivate humility. Put aside your own feelings and empathize with others; show respect. Cultivate silence. Listen to women and think about what they say. As men in a patriarchal society, we have been conditioned to always “have the answers”, to always be in charge. Resist this conditioning. Be slow to contribute, and respect other’s boundaries. If someone asks you to stop, stop–consent applies to conversations as well as sex. And above all else, be willing to apologize.
“Destroy nothing, humble nothing… hold that which lives in the highest reverence.”
Hmm, this fundamental premise is shared by the Left in all its Rousseau-derived forms - no wonder there's that strange compatibility!Kirbmarc wrote:It's the inversion of the concept of the original sin: in christianity all people are born flawed and Jebus came to redeem them, in islam all people are born good and it's the world (due to Satan's interference) that makes them flawed, so Mo is only showing people things as they are and the path to take back to goodness.
