The Refuge of the Toads

[welch]

I made a joke. A stupid one at that (come on, it was a leap of absurdity. I strongly disagree with Steerzo about post-menopausal women, but that doesn't make him a pedophile).

So for all that it's worth, I sincerely apologize to Steersman about calling him a pedophile (even in jest).

He's still a bell end, but that's beside the point.

Scented and Com: make up!

(and put the video on youtube, please.)

Why is this even being discussed again? It was done to death weeks ago, and even then it was faintly ridiculous for people to get up in arms about an anonymous avatar being 'libelled'.

I still don't understand why ANYONE engages with Steerzo - there is zero value. I know a lot of you don't (he's now #3 ignored, very close to Ol' Neccers and Jewsper), but come on, folks.

Goddamnit, I take a year plus off and I lose ALL my first places!

[comhcinc]

I like Rubio can't stand Cruz (not that he can be president anyway, fucking Canadian!)

Trump's presidency would be one big yawn. He wouldn't be able to get anything past and if he would elected I believe it would swing congress back the other way enough to just stalemate government.

4 years of Meh.

Apparently nobody can stand Cruz. Which is why that's the wildcard in the whole mix.

He is a Canadian from Texas with the appeal of neither.

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

Jesus - why is anyone debating Steers' ideas about women? I swear, first time the dude met some pussy he put a coin in it, pressed a tit and got confused when some sex was not deposited out of the female's mouth.

'I fear this machine is not up to my exacting standards.'

Even my wife thought that was funny.

[welch]

You're a horrible person. But only because you didn't record the 'Pit hangout. Monster! :snooty:

Some people seem to think I am such a horrible person that they think I did.

For that type of hangout we did the ability to record is not baked into the program. We were on "hangouts" while someone like Sargon uses "hangouts on air". Hangouts on Air automatically records the video feed as well as letting people watch live.

To record what we did you would need to use secondary software. Frankly I doubt my laptop is powerful enough to do it at without locking up.

Meh. Not everything needs to be recorded forever so people can get shouty about spoilers while being lazy asses. Sometime, it's okay to have something only be real for a short time, then forever after only exist in memories.

[MacGruberKnows]

Nothing too outrageous from Elyse for awhile but these two were kind of funn:

Stress diarrhea, yes, all that anal-sex with losers would stress any anus to the breaking point.

[welch]

I'm still not convinced Com is a horrible person. And I don't think he'd dox anyone after a Pit hangout. But I can understand SN and Billy's reservations. On the other hand, face time (not the Carrier type of face time) does make people see each others as human beings. Sometimes.

If they're not doing anything *wrong*... :-P

[comhcinc]

You do realize that the FBI and quite a few DoJ people are actively advocating for making non-government approved encryption illegal right? And these are the same people who literally got busted blatantly lying about how they used the patriot act, and in fact monitoring 100% of internet communications in the United States. Even between citizens who were in fact doing nothing wrong.

See, this is where the "If you're not doing anything wrong" shit falls down flailing, because the only sane reply is "Since I'm not doing anything wrong, you have no reason to monitor me".

Yet, as there is voluminous proof, Law Enforcement and Intelligence agencies in the US refuse to play by the rules. You know, minor ones, like the constitution. Not isolated incidents, but year after year of doing this shit, with no signs of slowing down. For over a decade. This is not about one phone, a case the FBI picked solely because they knew shallow thinkers would obsess with OMG TERRORISTS and completely forget about how legal precedents work.

This is about a government group who literally said they needed a terrorist incident to turn public opinion against encryption so they can force companies making it to give them the keys to it. Decisions in a court of law never just apply "This once". This goes wrong, and the FBI et al will be now able to demand the end of any form of encryption not maintained by the government in this country.

Welch is entirely correct. It would be marginally different if all this information collection had led to actually preventing terrorist attacks or helped to make arrests, but it didn't. Billions for knowing an awful lot about theoretically law-abiding citizens. Anything on the terrorists phone is old news, and any connections will have long since covered their tracks and gone truly dark.

And it's not even his personal phone. That was destroyed before he and his wife did their attack. This is a work phone and the FBI thinks maybe, maybe possibly it might have something on it about the guy who bought the guns. This is mostly about trying to set a precedent.

[welch]

Hahahah I :nin: Com.

Only because you live in the future.

If people are worried about their conversation being recorded, you can turn off the video for YOU and it will display your google avatar for all, but you can still see everyone else who is using their cameras.
If you make a new separate google/gmail account with your pit name and avatar, that will help too.

If people are worried about their conversations being recorded then they shouldn't be part of it. Seriously I don't want to deal with that level of paranoidly. If someone doesn't think they can trust me or anyone else invited to the chat then I don't see what they would add any way.


With that said Skype supports up to 25 people. If that's what we want to do.

Skype's a bit less annoying in terms of not having people pop in and out of the main "screen" every time they make a noise.

[welch]

I just noticed that SZvan said she has a history of "drafting" people to her cause at conventions. You have been warned.

If she gets moving fast enough, the suction is pretty strong.

[welch]

I'm still not convinced Com is a horrible person. And I don't think he'd dox anyone after a Pit hangout. But I can understand SN and Billy's reservations. On the other hand, face time (not the Carrier type of face time) does make people see each others as human beings. Sometimes.

I don't worry about Com, but when you have a lot of people and if not all are old timers, people can reasonably be wary.
But you can still add precautions if you need that in order to take part.

The most recent Pit member at the hangout was MarcAur, IIRC. Most other ones were long-timers we're all acquainted with.

Except Jim, his microphone was ubber shite.

Com: 25 on Skype sounds like a better option. It was kind of sad to see Rayshul leave so Welch could join in. Not that I don't like Welch, mind you.

Damnit! That was why I told Com that if it was full, it was no big deal, I could just be on the next one. Sorry about that Rayshul, 'twas unintentional.

[comhcinc]

Nothing too outrageous from Elyse for awhile but these two were kind of funn:

Stress diarrhea, yes, all that anal-sex with losers would stress any anus to the breaking point.

That first one was funny. Her husband must hate his life.

[MacGruberKnows]

Nothing too outrageous from Elyse for awhile but these two were kind of funn:

Stress diarrhea, yes, all that anal-sex with losers would stress any anus to the breaking point.

Yeah yeah, something something about Uranus in there but I couldn't be bothered.

[comhcinc]

Damnit! That was why I told Com that if it was full, it was no big deal, I could just be on the next one. Sorry about that Rayshul, 'twas unintentional.

She was just listening in. It was morning there and she had her hands full.

[welch]

No, Phil & SN do not deserve this. There are no cliques or "in-groups" at the Pit. Sure, you agree more often with some folks than with others, but you ether agree to debate honestly with everyone, or you put someone on ignore. Fuck this junior high chickenshit.

I agree.

Matt, you are welcome to enter my circle of trust.

We all float in...

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The Circle of Trust

[comhcinc]

Speaking of which, You cunts have still not told me a time when you want to do the next thing.

[comhcinc]

.....Yeah that works too.

[welch]

They may be twats, they're necessary twats.

Exactly. The problem isn't that we instantly move from violating the rights of a terrorist to a police state. it's that unless you put a stop to governmental invasion of privacy, and a check on governmental powers, sooner or later someone is going to move the goalpost a little further, and use the first time it happened as an excuse. Then someone is going to move the goalpost a little bit further. And so on, and so on. Until in ten years you have given the right to the government to violate privacy for whatever reasons, and someone abuses of that right.

The government already have the right to 'invade the privacy' of a person accused of a crime. It's called a search warrant. They can enter and read all your private papers, look in your address book and see who you are in contact with. They can request your phone records to see who you have called. They can and do take computers and gain access by whatever means to the information on the hard drives, ask any convicted kiddy porn abuser.

But now it's Apple & it's all 'whoa Jimmy, get your hands off my phone, thats my freedom you're about to break into'. I call bullshit, and anybody that places their faith in a big money company like Apple to protect their rights I call a fanboi idiot.

Disclosure Statement: Steve Jobs was a wanker

THE FBI WAS TOTALLY RIGHT TO BLACKMAIL MLK! HAD HE BEEN A GOOD PERSON, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO DO THAT! WHY DID HE MAKE J. EDGAR HOOVER DO THAT???

[comhcinc]

Well King was cheating on his wife....

[deLurch]

I agree, but wish to point out that a lot of states are winner-take-all, so Trump could have a majority on the first round of voting, which prevents a brokered convention. Thus, one of them needs to drop out early enough to stop Trump from having said majority or all the dealing in the world won't stop him.

Hmm... I just took a look. None of the state elections are Winner Take All until March 15th. So they can play this multi-candidate game up until then.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... count.html

[Skep tickle]

RE: The US Election

So I have been paying attention because I enjoy politics but haven't thought much about it because I assumed I wouldn't be voting. I assumed that because I registered to vote back in October but never heard from back from them. I assume they just decided not to let me vote because I had a felony. I have be granted the right to vote back but I have found that at least in Alabama I had to always apply and show paperwork to that affect. I don't have access to that paper work and while voting is really important to me I have been dealing with other things in my life.

Yesterday I got my voter registration card in the mail. Now I have to figure out before Tuesday, which party primary I am going to vote in and then which person to vote for. Alabama votes so late it never matters. Now my vote may actually count.

Congrats, com - that's good to hear, kudos to the voter registration process in your state and to you for your plan to exercise your voting rights.

IMO voting rights should rarely if ever be withheld or revoked, and incarceration should not be one of those times, at least for federal & state elections. (Maybe ok to revoke during incarceration for local elections - otherwise, picture the inmates at a large prison in a rural area forming a voting block that's larger than the local community.)

Felony disenfranchisement has always seemed so unfair to me, in part because it seems like a way of keeping people most affected by unfair laws (like "the drug war") from having a say.

Also, IMO the legal rights withheld should always be the minimum necessary to achieve punishment, restitution, & rehabilitation. Incarceration, fines, probation, sure. But what does withholding voting rights accomplish? (rhetorical)

[welch]

Lena Dunham puts her considerabe brainpower into analyzing the case of popstar versus her alleged sexual assaulter, who also has her in a contract:

http://i.imgur.com/E4x7Lmb.png

As Dunham goes on to say:

http://i.imgur.com/n7DuqLi.png

So the American legal system fails to protect women from their attackers, in cases in which there is no surviving evidence that the woman was attacked apart from the woman's testimony.

Please PM me some spoons, I've used up all of mine trying to understand this.

Lena Dunham making the argument that personal testimony should be all that is needed for legal proof is particularly funny. Not ha-ha funny, but funny.

[welch]

Lena Dunham puts her considerabe brainpower into analyzing the case of popstar versus her alleged sexual assaulter, who also has her in a contract:

http://i.imgur.com/E4x7Lmb.png

As Dunham goes on to say:

http://i.imgur.com/n7DuqLi.png

So the American legal system fails to protect women from their attackers, in cases in which there is no surviving evidence that the woman was attacked apart from the woman's testimony.

Please PM me some spoons, I've used up all of mine trying to understand this.

Lena Dunham making the argument that personal testimony should be all that is needed for legal proof is particularly funny. Not ha-ha funny, but funny.

[Bourne Skeptic]

I just noticed that SZvan said she has a history of "drafting" people to her cause at conventions. You have been warned.

If she gets moving fast enough, the suction is pretty strong.

Get behind her and you can draft and conserve energy.

[Bourne Skeptic]

I just noticed that SZvan said she has a history of "drafting" people to her cause at conventions. You have been warned.

If she gets moving fast enough, the suction is pretty strong.

Get behind her and you can draft and conserve energy.

:nin:

[welch]

Also Sony has a 6 album deal with her. IF she was smart she would take that deal knock those out in the next 2 years and get what money that she can.

She is literally just a "pretty face" that doesn't have any other talent.

That's not how record deals generally work. An album has to fit into release schedules and marketing plans, and has to be approved by the label (for an artist at Ke$ha's level). She just can't jam out 6 albums in 2 years. A six- album deal is generally a 5 year contract at minimum, mostly longer. Probably more like 7 years.

That being said, her career is basically over now. The label will never recoup their investments, and she will never recoup her advances.

I am not going to argue what you said because generally you are correct. In this case however I believe she can start recording albums for Sony to show a good faith attempt to fulfill her contract. She records the albums and delivers them to Sony the whole time being vocal about this case. I think Sony would take what they are given and make what money they can.

Whomever is doing PR for Sony is either remarkably stupid, or no one is listening to them. They could, with remarkably minimal effort, come out of this smelling like a rose for a relatively small amount of money.

Given it's Sony, all of the above options may be happening at the same time.

[Really?]

I thought I was the only one but a lot of Aussies obsess over the US elections. Now Bush has gone Rubio will get the establishments blessings. Expect to see a lot of cash thrown at Rubio.

But will it do any good? Rubio seems unable to inspire, even though he is the clear establishment favorite. The real question is whether the surprising success of Sanders and Trump is getting through to the establishment of both parties, that people are sick of the status quo.

Are you sure the Rubiobot can defeat its programming? Rubio seems like the human version of deceptive moderate Republican talking points. He will need a new CPU and preprogrammed RAM if he will be able to say anything else. I think the debates would resemble those episodes of Jeopardy! where the humans challenged the IBM computer.

[welch]

I like Kesha.

1-- Great workout music.
2-- Crazy fun blondes and uptight straight-laced brunettes go together like peanut butter and chocolate #mytype
3-- I'm surprised SJW are giving her case any attention. Kesha is 'transphobic':
[youtube]rH8Wg_3NOJQ[/youtube]

She really does make great driving/workout pop.

[welch]

@ Skeptickle

It's a bit like trying to debug a program, isn't it.

In my experience, bugs in programs are not moving targets.

They sometimes are; the so-called Heisenbug disappears or changes behaviour when put under observation.

And of course, many bugs only appear under a certain set of (input) conditions, which may be difficult to reproduce on demand.

There was a bug in Word for years that couldn't get fixed because the debug version of Word the devs use to find bugs had a slightly different memory handling behavior. Said bug was a memory bug.

[welch]

Im not going to stop talking about Kesha.

I love her and you can all go Die In A Fire (TM).

What she sounds like when she writes a song, limited electronic modification of her voice/accompaniment, and a non-shit producer (Flaming Lips dude):
[youtube]DL1B1D3QJI0[/youtube]

Damn, that's pretty good.

[comhcinc]

RE: The US Election

So I have been paying attention because I enjoy politics but haven't thought much about it because I assumed I wouldn't be voting. I assumed that because I registered to vote back in October but never heard from back from them. I assume they just decided not to let me vote because I had a felony. I have be granted the right to vote back but I have found that at least in Alabama I had to always apply and show paperwork to that affect. I don't have access to that paper work and while voting is really important to me I have been dealing with other things in my life.

Yesterday I got my voter registration card in the mail. Now I have to figure out before Tuesday, which party primary I am going to vote in and then which person to vote for. Alabama votes so late it never matters. Now my vote may actually count.

Congrats, com - that's good to hear, kudos to the voter registration process in your state and to you for your plan to exercise your voting rights.

IMO voting rights should rarely if ever be withheld or revoked, and incarceration should not be one of those times, at least for federal & state elections. (Maybe ok to revoke during incarceration for local elections - otherwise, picture the inmates at a large prison in a rural area forming a voting block that's larger than the local community.)

Felony disenfranchisement has always seemed so unfair to me, in part because it seems like a way of keeping people most affected by unfair laws (like "the drug war") from having a say.

Also, IMO the legal rights withheld should always be the minimum necessary to achieve punishment, restitution, & rehabilitation. Incarceration, fines, probation, sure. But what does withholding voting rights accomplish? (rhetorical)

Alabama is interesting in that pretty much everyone can get their voter rights back but you have to make the effort to do so. The ACLU actually has a webform to help people out. It's mostly a rubber stamp process.

What I ran into is I would move to a new location and go to update and get a letter from the register saying I had to provide proof that I had my rights back. I figured that is what had happened this time as well. And I don't know if that is what happen and Georgia went looking for the information on their own or they are lazy or just backed up. I am glad to have it through.

Like I said before Alabama in the past has been a late primary state so much so that they didn't matter ever. This year they are going to be a super tuesday state along with Georgia. So this is really the first primary I will get to vote in that actually matters to the race.

[welch]

You do realize that the FBI and quite a few DoJ people are actively advocating for making non-government approved encryption illegal right? And these are the same people who literally got busted blatantly lying about how they used the patriot act, and in fact monitoring 100% of internet communications in the United States. Even between citizens who were in fact doing nothing wrong.

I think it's also important to point out the NSA believes that encryption is a good thing.

Their encryption is AWESOME. Yours, not so much. But then, they generally have so many ways into devices that they don't really care. Which they don't like to advertise.

[welch]

You do realize that the FBI and quite a few DoJ people are actively advocating for making non-government approved encryption illegal right? And these are the same people who literally got busted blatantly lying about how they used the patriot act, and in fact monitoring 100% of internet communications in the United States. Even between citizens who were in fact doing nothing wrong.

See, this is where the "If you're not doing anything wrong" shit falls down flailing, because the only sane reply is "Since I'm not doing anything wrong, you have no reason to monitor me".

Yet, as there is voluminous proof, Law Enforcement and Intelligence agencies in the US refuse to play by the rules. You know, minor ones, like the constitution. Not isolated incidents, but year after year of doing this shit, with no signs of slowing down. For over a decade. This is not about one phone, a case the FBI picked solely because they knew shallow thinkers would obsess with OMG TERRORISTS and completely forget about how legal precedents work.

This is about a government group who literally said they needed a terrorist incident to turn public opinion against encryption so they can force companies making it to give them the keys to it. Decisions in a court of law never just apply "This once". This goes wrong, and the FBI et al will be now able to demand the end of any form of encryption not maintained by the government in this country.

Welch is entirely correct. It would be marginally different if all this information collection had led to actually preventing terrorist attacks or helped to make arrests, but it didn't. Billions for knowing an awful lot about theoretically law-abiding citizens. Anything on the terrorists phone is old news, and any connections will have long since covered their tracks and gone truly dark.

Since 9/11, in the US, there have been two attempts at terrorism on a plane. NEITHER was caught nor stopped by any of the TLAs arguing that Apple is enabling terrorists. (and drug dealers. NYC really wants the FBI to win so they can add " and drug dealers' phones" to the list.) Both were stopped by the people on the plane and their own incompetence.

[free thoughtpolice]

Wow! One fine example by one of my fellow Michiganders. Dood's house has no power because of a storm. He sets up a generator and he PUTS IT IN HIS BASEMENT. Entire family is now dead from carbon monoxide poisoning.

http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-n ... 7145-story

Check out my second sig tag. I'm pretty sure if they lived in Portland there wouldn't have been a problem.

[welch]

You do realize that the FBI and quite a few DoJ people are actively advocating for making non-government approved encryption illegal right? And these are the same people who literally got busted blatantly lying about how they used the patriot act, and in fact monitoring 100% of internet communications in the United States. Even between citizens who were in fact doing nothing wrong.

See, this is where the "If you're not doing anything wrong" shit falls down flailing, because the only sane reply is "Since I'm not doing anything wrong, you have no reason to monitor me".

Yet, as there is voluminous proof, Law Enforcement and Intelligence agencies in the US refuse to play by the rules. You know, minor ones, like the constitution. Not isolated incidents, but year after year of doing this shit, with no signs of slowing down. For over a decade. This is not about one phone, a case the FBI picked solely because they knew shallow thinkers would obsess with OMG TERRORISTS and completely forget about how legal precedents work.

This is about a government group who literally said they needed a terrorist incident to turn public opinion against encryption so they can force companies making it to give them the keys to it. Decisions in a court of law never just apply "This once". This goes wrong, and the FBI et al will be now able to demand the end of any form of encryption not maintained by the government in this country.

Welch is entirely correct. It would be marginally different if all this information collection had led to actually preventing terrorist attacks or helped to make arrests, but it didn't. Billions for knowing an awful lot about theoretically law-abiding citizens. Anything on the terrorists phone is old news, and any connections will have long since covered their tracks and gone truly dark.

And it's not even his personal phone. That was destroyed before he and his wife did their attack. This is a work phone and the FBI thinks maybe, maybe possibly it might have something on it about the guy who bought the guns. This is mostly about trying to set a precedent.

And as many of the folks who know have pointed out, had the county been competently managing their devices, this wouldn't be an issue. Good MDM systems give you the backdoor the FBI wants already. It's part of the API built into iOS.

[welch]

Damnit! That was why I told Com that if it was full, it was no big deal, I could just be on the next one. Sorry about that Rayshul, 'twas unintentional.

She was just listening in. It was morning there and she had her hands full.

I figured you weren't being a total cock. I just didn't want anyone to get booted on my account. Being polite and all that.

[welch]

Well King was cheating on his wife....

Which was illegal in many places at the time. So the FBI should have been spying on him.

[Spike13]

Re US politics:

This is the best we have on offer...

We are sooo fucked.

At this point a "meh" four years would be the best I could hope for.


How does Trump feel about encryption?

[comhcinc]

You do realize that the FBI and quite a few DoJ people are actively advocating for making non-government approved encryption illegal right? And these are the same people who literally got busted blatantly lying about how they used the patriot act, and in fact monitoring 100% of internet communications in the United States. Even between citizens who were in fact doing nothing wrong.

I think it's also important to point out the NSA believes that encryption is a good thing.

Their encryption is AWESOME. Yours, not so much. But then, they generally have so many ways into devices that they don't really care. Which they don't like to advertise.

Oh my encryption is fine. I have a nexus phone so much like that iphone it's automatic encrypted. Those fuckers will never know which wrestling podcast I subscribe to!

But you are right. They have other means for getting to the information they want.

[comhcinc]

Damnit! That was why I told Com that if it was full, it was no big deal, I could just be on the next one. Sorry about that Rayshul, 'twas unintentional.

She was just listening in. It was morning there and she had her hands full.

I figured you weren't being a total cock. I just didn't want anyone to get booted on my account. Being polite and all that.

I was being a total cock but I didn't boot anyone. I think what I said was

"That cunt welch wants in on this but I say fuck'em with a bag full of rusty nails." At which point Rayshul gracefully bowed out.

I may be misremembering that but it's mostly correct.

[Spike13]

Well King was cheating on his wife....

Which was illegal in many places at the time. So the FBI should have been spying on him.

So was fudge packing, so they should have been investigating their crooked boss as well.

[comhcinc]

Well King was cheating on his wife....

Which was illegal in many places at the time. So the FBI should have been spying on him.

So was fudge packing, so they should have been investigating their crooked boss as well.

Jack Kennedy?

[free thoughtpolice]

Fuck you Merkins!
Calgarian born Ted Cruz will be your next Prez and you are are going putting dirty Canadian oil in your cars whether you want it or not.
:P

[AndrewV69]

In other news:

I came across this blog which makes the claim that Norway Prepares for Swedish Collapse

The Norwegian Prime Minister is pushing [http://www.friatider.se/norska-regering ... -kollapsar]emergency legislation[/url] that would allow Norway to close the border with Sweden and reject all Swedish refugees in case Sweden collapses due to being overrun with their own immigrants and refugees

I am kind of dubious about the blog, I have no idea how credible the author is. He links to a couple of online news sites/newspapers and I do not read Swedish or Danish and the only family members I know only speak somewhat limited form of either language and are not literate enough. Would be no problem if the reports were in Greek, Hebrew, Spanish, French or German ... mutter mutter ... whatever.

Anyway, can anyone offer some sort of informed opinion?

I would like something more in English (English motherfucker .. do you speak it?) like from The Local SE Norway Prepares for Swedish Collapse or even from Gatestone (pro Isreal) Sweden Close to Collapse or even YouTube

[youtube]3yNSA8rFGWo[/youtube]

Stratfor sent me a free analysis but that was not very helpful either:

Sample Article: Sweden: Government Nearing Collapse

Sweden: Government Nearing Collapse

December 3, 2014 | 13:36 GMT
Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Lofven said early elections or the resignation of his government were both possibilities following the breakdown of budget talks two months ago, Financial Times reported Dec. 3. Lofven will reportedly make his final decision the afternoon of Dec. 3 after a vote on the budget that the center-left government is likely to lose. The rise of the anti-immigration party, the Sweden Democrats, has strained the government, which has not called an early election since 1958.

Anywho. Comments?

[Spike13]

So was fudge packing, so they should have been investigating their crooked boss as well.

Jack Kennedy?

Lower than that, Jack was doing Marilyn... He should get a state holiday for that.

[comhcinc]

So was fudge packing, so they should have been investigating their crooked boss as well.

Jack Kennedy?

Lower than that, Jack was doing Marilyn... He should get a state holiday for that.

Lyndon Johnson?

[Spike13]

Fuck you Merkins!
Calgarian born Ted Cruz will be your next Prez and you are are going putting dirty Canadian oil in your cars whether you want it or not.
:P

And we'll start calling ham, bacon!

And higher alcohol content in Beer because we need people to act like bigger ass holes!

And a banning on Count Chocula!

[Spike13]

Lower than that, Jack was doing Marilyn... He should get a state holiday for that.

Lyndon Johnson?

Lower yet, while I'm not privy to whomever LBJ's legendary " Jumbo" was pleasure ing besides Ladybird, anyone who names and parades his manhood like he did deserves respect.

[comhcinc]

Lower than that, Jack was doing Marilyn... He should get a state holiday for that.

Lyndon Johnson?

Lower yet, while I'm not privy to whomever LBJ's legendary " Jumbo" was pleasure ing besides Ladybird, anyone who names and parades his manhood like he did deserves respect.

John William McCormack?

[fuzzy]

I still don't understand why ANYONE engages with Steerzo - there is zero value. I know a lot of you don't (he's now #3 ignored, very close to Ol' Neccers and Jewsper), but come on, folks.

Because he's almost close to becoming a real boy at times and we really wish upon a fucking star.

If only he'd hung out with Elfwick instead of Lampwick.

[Spike13]

Lower yet, while I'm not privy to whomever LBJ's legendary " Jumbo" was pleasure ing besides Ladybird, anyone who names and parades his manhood like he did deserves respect.

John William McCormack?

Even lower,

While McCormack who' almost became President when the aforementioned enormous cocked LBJ was almost blown away by his own bodyguard the night of the Kennedy assassination.( In the late of the night the guard heard footsteps, unsafed and cocked his sub-machine gun, the perseved intruder came around a corner to be greeted by the secret serviceman's weapon aimed at his chest, finger on trigger. Imagine the conspiracy theories!!!

[deLurch]

Speaking of which, You cunts have still not told me a time when you want to do the next thing.

Just get a couple of people willing to do a certain time and go from there. We are global with our time zones so mixing up the time would probably have good results.

[comhcinc]

Lower yet, while I'm not privy to whomever LBJ's legendary " Jumbo" was pleasure ing besides Ladybird, anyone who names and parades his manhood like he did deserves respect.

John William McCormack?

Even lower,

While McCormack who' almost became President when the aforementioned enormous cocked LBJ was almost blown away by his own bodyguard the night of the Kennedy assassination.( In the late of the night the guard heard footsteps, unsafed and cocked his sub-machine gun, the perseved intruder came around a corner to be greeted by the secret serviceman's weapon aimed at his chest, finger on trigger. Imagine the conspiracy theories!!!

Stewart Udall?

[Spike13]

I still don't understand why ANYONE engages with Steerzo - there is zero value. I know a lot of you don't (he's now #3 ignored, very close to Ol' Neccers and Jewsper), but come on, folks.

Because he's almost close to becoming a real boy at times and we really wish upon a fucking star.

If only he'd hung out with Elfwick instead of Lampwick.

I can see " Pit Art Master" in your future.

[Spike13]

Even lower,

While McCormack who' almost became President when the aforementioned enormous cocked LBJ was almost blown away by his own bodyguard the night of the Kennedy assassination.( In the late of the night the guard heard footsteps, unsafed and cocked his sub-machine gun, the perseved intruder came around a corner to be greeted by the secret serviceman's weapon aimed at his chest, finger on trigger. Imagine the conspiracy theories!!!

Stewart Udall?

Nope lower,

I got no amusing stories about Udall....um, he had a stiffy for Mother Nature?

[comhcinc]

Even lower,

While McCormack who' almost became President when the aforementioned enormous cocked LBJ was almost blown away by his own bodyguard the night of the Kennedy assassination.( In the late of the night the guard heard footsteps, unsafed and cocked his sub-machine gun, the perseved intruder came around a corner to be greeted by the secret serviceman's weapon aimed at his chest, finger on trigger. Imagine the conspiracy theories!!!

Stewart Udall?

Nope lower,

I got no amusing stories about Udall....um, he had a stiffy for Mother Nature?

Daniel Ogden?

[d4m10n]

Looks like Sam Harris and Maryam Namazie's conversation was a somewhat hostile cringefest and now Maryam is giving and receiving some mockery/hate on Twitter. I'm halfway through it and it's not great.

It was cringeworthy indeed. Maryam seemed wholly unconcerned about the possibility of exporting Islamism along with Islam. Harris, for his part, seems to think that it is possible to profile people for bad ideas, and not just bad fashion sense.

[Michael J]

I thought I was the only one but a lot of Aussies obsess over the US elections. Now Bush has gone Rubio will get the establishments blessings. Expect to see a lot of cash thrown at Rubio.

But will it do any good? Rubio seems unable to inspire, even though he is the clear establishment favorite. The real question is whether the surprising success of Sanders and Trump is getting through to the establishment of both parties, that people are sick of the status quo.

The last 2 GOP nominees weren't exciting either. I think that even though Cruz and Trump are popular that are actively disliked. I think that as other nominees pull out their supporters will break to Rubio. Also if he can last until Cruz or Trump pull out, I think that the loser's voters will tend to go to Rubio as well

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

I thought I was the only one but a lot of Aussies obsess over the US elections. Now Bush has gone Rubio will get the establishments blessings. Expect to see a lot of cash thrown at Rubio.

But will it do any good? Rubio seems unable to inspire, even though he is the clear establishment favorite. The real question is whether the surprising success of Sanders and Trump is getting through to the establishment of both parties, that people are sick of the status quo.

Are you sure the Rubiobot can defeat its programming? Rubio seems like the human version of deceptive moderate Republican talking points. He will need a new CPU and preprogrammed RAM if he will be able to say anything else. I think the debates would resemble those episodes of Jeopardy! where the humans challenged the IBM computer.

Rubio is less animated than Romney. Imagine that! But if Canadian Cruze can run, why not Steersman? Why should we be the only ones to suffer? And imagine him getting the women and formerly women vote. And imagine the minority vote.

[Spike13]

Nope lower,

I got no amusing stories about Udall....um, he had a stiffy for Mother Nature?

Daniel Ogden?

You win, no idea who he is.

Hoover, Hoover was the answer..( J.Edger, not Herbert)

[Spike13]

Pit kill....