If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

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Bourne Skeptic wrote:

HoneyWagon wrote:Before I forget
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeywagon

Wiki's origins of the term "Honeywagon" is incorrect according to my 85 yr old dad. He remembers it being used before WWII in Alberta. He believes the term goes back to England in the 1800's or before.

I wouldn't know...but what they actually are doesn't change. Wagon would indicate a use before motorized vehicles.
But the humorous ironic name always made giggle

HoneyWagon wrote:

Bourne Skeptic wrote:

HoneyWagon wrote:Before I forget
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeywagon

Wiki's origins of the term "Honeywagon" is incorrect according to my 85 yr old dad. He remembers it being used before WWII in Alberta. He believes the term goes back to England in the 1800's or before.

I wouldn't know...but what they actually are doesn't change. Wagon would indicate a use before motorized vehicles.
But the humorous ironic name always made giggle

And the name fits. ;) :hankey:

I have been railroaded into Zoolander2. I do not have high hopes.

Bourne Skeptic wrote:

HoneyWagon wrote:

Bourne Skeptic wrote:
Wiki's origins of the term "Honeywagon" is incorrect according to my 85 yr old dad. He remembers it being used before WWII in Alberta. He believes the term goes back to England in the 1800's or before.

I wouldn't know...but what they actually are doesn't change. Wagon would indicate a use before motorized vehicles.
But the humorous ironic name always made giggle

And the name fits. ;) :hankey:

Man, you don't even know

Linked in one of the comments at that Brown Daily Herald article:

"Everything is Problematic" - a reflection after graduation from McGill

__

Re the Brown article: I'd like to hear from some students, at Brown or any other college, who are working to pay or help pay the costs of their education. Have those students also been offered special accommodation by the college administration in recognition of the competing demands on their time and the stress they're under?

Brive1987 wrote:I have been railroaded into Zoolander2. I do not have high hopes.

You have one chance. Show up early and buy every ticket so it's sold out when your friends get there, and hope there's not a second showing.

Further to our discussion about harm and harm to people's career when they're online -

Here is a SJW attack in progress on someone whose career is online.

https://twitter.com/redbarradio

The notable differences between this and people telling SJWs they are wrong on the internet (thus affecting their careers, and positively affecting their Patreons), is that a SJW seeks to STOP the person producing content by banning them or deleting their work from where it is held.

If someone was to harm Sarkeesian or any of the others in a valid way, they would physically STOP them from being able to work by stopping their access to these tools.

Again, I see that talking smack on the internet and insulting people is not true harrassment, it's talking smack on the internet. Critics should be critiqued, mocked, etc. Whatever. If things go a step further than YES that's harrassment - but that step is about banning them from the internet through censorship.

My 2c, YMMV

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:Is the hangout available online?

Do you have the Expressed Written Permission of the National Football League and the Columbia Broadcast Service?

Sunder wrote:

Brive1987 wrote:I have been railroaded into Zoolander2. I do not have high hopes.

You have one chance. Show up early and buy every ticket so it's sold out when your friends get there, and hope there's not a second showing.

It makes me so sad. The first was such a good fucking movie.

Brive1987 wrote:I have been railroaded into Zoolander2. I do not have high hopes.

It might not be bad but you attempt to go see Deadpool instead.

comhcinc wrote:

Kirbmarc wrote: Did Steersman join the hangout? If he did, does he talk the way he writes?

He did not but I made it a point to make sure he was there in spirit.

You spent half an hour calling everyone niggers?

ffs wrote:

comhcinc wrote:

Kirbmarc wrote: Did Steersman join the hangout? If he did, does he talk the way he writes?

He did not but I made it a point to make sure he was there in spirit.

You spent half an hour calling everyone niggers?

I was dressed in a tutu and I just spunned the entire 3 hours.

Suet Cardigan wrote:Aron Ra mansplains to CHS that she's not feministing properly:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbslGzGVAAEN8-1.png

Can someone explain how Aron Ra is one of the sane ones? At least his appearance with Atheism Ireland will be interesting, but why would such a devoted feminist and crusader for social justice want to have anything to do with Mick Nugent, Witch of the Year?

Skep tickle wrote:Linked in one of the comments at that Brown Daily Herald article:

"Everything is Problematic" - a reflection after graduation from McGill

__

Re the Brown article: I'd like to hear from some students, at Brown or any other college, who are working to pay or help pay the costs of their education. Have those students also been offered special accommodation by the college administration in recognition of the competing demands on their time and the stress they're under?

I do think that students should get class credit and work study funds when they make a swastika in poop on the wall or accuse someone of a three years cold rape to start an important national conversation about race or sexual assault.

Suet Cardigan wrote:Aron Ra mansplains to CHS that she's not feministing properly:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbslGzGVAAEN8-1.png

Aron Ra is a dogmatic, pontificating, out-of-ass blowhard, dipshit. Why he has any street cred at all is beyond me.

Brive1987 wrote:I have been railroaded into Zoolander2. I do not have high hopes.

Who knows. ASS 2 was much better than ASS.

Suet Cardigan wrote:Aron Ra mansplains to CHS that she's not feministing properly:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbslGzGVAAEN8-1.png

OT, but I showed this in the hangout.
This is from the 2012 TAM....only 3 1/2 years ago.

http://i.imgur.com/uEAg1Fv.jpg?2

Left to right:
Bryan Bonner, Matthew Baxter, Karen Stollznow, Ben Radford, Blake Smith, Ross Blocher and Carrie Poppy

Skep tickle wrote:

Lol'ed.

Aron Ra is punk.

I used to cut Ra a lot of slack but my impression of him these days is "unprincipled." There's being a diplomat, and then here's being a spineless coward. He wants the little bit of prestige speaking at a real conference run by real activists will provide, but hasn't to my knowledge said word one in defense of the people inviting him while friends and associates have flung their shit. Maybe if I still want to be charitable I can say that now he's out of FTB, it's not quite as hypocritical to accept an invitation from AI as when he was Peez's downstairs neighbor.

HoneyWagon wrote:OT, but I showed this in the hangout.
This is from the 2012 TAM....only 3 1/2 years ago.

http://i.imgur.com/uEAg1Fv.jpg?2

Left to right:
Bryan Bonner, Matthew Baxter, Karen Stollznow, Ben Radford, Blake Smith, Ross Blocher and Carrie Poppy

Show the dress that matches Phil's wallpaper!

HoneyWagon wrote:OT, but I showed this in the hangout.
This is from the 2012 TAM....only 3 1/2 years ago.

http://i.imgur.com/uEAg1Fv.jpg?2

Left to right:
Bryan Bonner, Matthew Baxter, Karen Stollznow, Ben Radford, Blake Smith, Ross Blocher and Carrie Poppy

Alright who's the cunt in the fedora? It's one of you lot isn't it? Own up.

Skep tickle wrote:

Suet Cardigan wrote:Aron Ra mansplains to CHS that she's not feministing properly:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbslGzGVAAEN8-1.png

Aron Ra is a dishonest cunt. His justification for putting her feminism in dispute was her actions (in his view). I hope he is getting it on the regular and that it is good enough to justify being the opposite of what he thinks he is.

comhcinc wrote:

HoneyWagon wrote:OT, but I showed this in the hangout.
This is from the 2012 TAM....only 3 1/2 years ago.

http://i.imgur.com/uEAg1Fv.jpg?2

Left to right:
Bryan Bonner, Matthew Baxter, Karen Stollznow, Ben Radford, Blake Smith, Ross Blocher and Carrie Poppy

Show the dress that matches Phil's wallpaper!

https://i.imgur.com/eKkAPu6.jpg

HoneyWagon wrote:OT, but I showed this in the hangout.
This is from the 2012 TAM....only 3 1/2 years ago.

http://i.imgur.com/uEAg1Fv.jpg?2

Left to right:
Bryan Bonner, Matthew Baxter, Karen Stollznow, Ben Radford, Blake Smith, Ross Blocher and Carrie Poppy

So it's all true, then! Clearly there are almost no women attendees or speakers present, and with threats like a fedora-wearer who can blame them.

Really? wrote:

Suet Cardigan wrote:Aron Ra mansplains to CHS that she's not feministing properly:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbslGzGVAAEN8-1.png

Can someone explain how Aron Ra is one of the sane ones? At least his appearance with Atheism Ireland will be interesting, but why would such a devoted feminist and crusader for social justice want to have anything to do with Mick Nugent, Witch of the Year?

Because Aron Ra will parrot the top line feminist lines & dogma all day long. But if you corner him in reasonable conversation, he will tend to come out with reasonable positions that acknowledge the grey areas.

HoneyWagon wrote:
https://i.imgur.com/eKkAPu6.jpg

http://www.dailywrestlingnews.com/wp-co ... phanie.gif

deLurch wrote:

Really? wrote:

Suet Cardigan wrote:Aron Ra mansplains to CHS that she's not feministing properly:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbslGzGVAAEN8-1.png

Can someone explain how Aron Ra is one of the sane ones? At least his appearance with Atheism Ireland will be interesting, but why would such a devoted feminist and crusader for social justice want to have anything to do with Mick Nugent, Witch of the Year?

Because Aron Ra will parrot the top line feminist lines & dogma all day long. But if you corner him in reasonable conversation, he will tend to come out with reasonable positions that acknowledge the grey areas.

I don't consider that fair, I consider that two faced, just like Trump telling a New York audience that Iowa farmers can suck his dick and when he gets to Iowa, he says that New York libs are pansies who don't know the meaning of hard work.

A week ago, after Sargon's livestream, I expressed my concern-- that only explicitly-SJW lefties would be held-accountable by pitizens participating, while the SJWs' more-moderate bedfellows (such as ordinary feminists) would get a pass.

Kirbmarc responded, amply defending his comments made during the livestream, but also expanding on those comments: by invoking Paul Elam's infamous essay which argued that, as a juror, Elam would vote against convicting any man accused of raping a woman, regardless of the apparent merits of the case, due to the systemic anti-male bias built-in to the current US legal system in rape cases.

Invoking Elam was an irrelevant side-step, away from the point-in-question: whether moderate feminists and lefties are enablers of their SJW kin. But I willingly took the tangent-bait.

Kirbmarc did not respond to Elam's argument in a point-by-point manner, instead waving a dismissive hand at the entire opinion. Perhaps Kirbmarc felt the burden of defending extraordinary claims fell on Elam. But... Elam DID detail why he took that position. And Kirbmarc did not refute Elam. Instead:

Postby Kirbmarc » Sun Feb 14, 2016 5:25 pm • [Post 4775]
....
saying that jury nullification should be used systematically implies... a conspiracy in the entire justice system on the level of the systematic FBI infiltration of the political extremist groups... This is pretty much insane.

....

But the rest is pretty loony.

Kirbmarc's response wasn't entirely name-calling, but the alternatives Kirbmarc proposed-- such as reminding the jury that media could be biased against a man accused of rape-- or defense attorneys taking extra care to tell jurors about unreliable prosecution expert witnesses (assuming a judge would allow the trial to be put-on-trial in that manner) did not address the other anti-male biases which Elam mentioned, such as the application of Rape Shield Laws.

I sought to address Kirbmarc's empty name-calling and show that Elam's position is not so patently-absurd as Kirbmarc contends. My longest post was in reply to welch, but as the person who changed-the-subject to Elam's essay-- in such dismissive terms-- the sceptic's burden is most on Kirbmarc to refute what I wrote. I haven't seen any-such reply.

Service Dog wrote:
Here in nyc, for over a decade, hundreds of thousands of men were stopped & searched by police without reasonable suspicion or probable cause. They were systematically arrested for minor offenses such as carrying marijuana, a pot pipe, or a boxcutter used at work. Any outstanding warrants were also cause for arrest-- at a time when the 'Broken Window Theory' was used to treat infractions such as pubic urination, open container, riding a bicycle on the sidewalk, jumping the subway turnstyle, and literal jaywalking-- as worthy of high fines and jailtime. The Broken Window citations were overwhelmingly directed at males.

Many who are capable of seeing the discrimination inherent in 90% of the "randomly" stopped citizens being non-white-- nonetheless seem incapable of concern that 100% of the citizens were explicitly profiled for being male. The NYPD policy was to only search males, for fear of sexual harassment and assault charges if random women were frisked.

There is an anti-male disparity at every stage of the criminal justice system-- from who gets profiled, who gets searched, who gets a warning vs. a citation, who is arrested on-site, who is released from the precinct vs. 'put through the system' (fingerprinted, photographed, and jailed until put before an arraignment judge), who is released on their own recognizance vs. requiring bail or left waiting in jail without bail. There's a disparity in amount of bail demanded, the conditions in jail, the harshness of sentences, the size of plea bargain offered, whether the convicted person is offered alternatives such as public service hours, or treatment programs, in lieu of imprisonment. There are currently activist efforts to abolish prison altogether... for women. Because any woman convicted of drunk driving or drowning her baby... must be a victim, forced to do such a thing by the patriarchy. Only boys & men are to be held responsible for their own actions.

This discriminatory environment has a compound-interest effect, so that a male & female with identical criminal behaviors appear to be a criminal with a long rap sheet & an innocent citizen, respectively. Long before a man finds himself on trial for rape, he has already been sorted into a guilty category, to be used as evidence against his character at trial.

Or threat of trial: the accused man will inevitably be offered a harsh plea-- perhaps 5 years in prison, if he agrees to spare the state the hassle of proving their case against him, vs. 25-to-life if he takes his chances on justice.

Atop all this comes the gender-specific legislation... of the Duluth Model and the Violence Against Women Act; in which a woman reporting herself a victim is mandated to be assigned a specially-trained advocate social services worker, but a male can be discouraged from filing an official report-- and frequently treated as-if he is the perpetrator. The lists of phone numbers on police documents provide phone numbers for female victim's services-- and programs for male perpetrators. The social workers were trained in institutions which teach Patriarchy Theory and Privilege and 1in4 rape statistics, as scientific fact. Also 'Believe the Women' and 'All Men Are Rapists'. Shelters for male victims don't exist. A male who takes his children away from an abusive woman-- triggers an Amber Alert for abduction.

New York recently passed a 'Rape Is Rape' law, which discarded the former hierarchy of sexual-assault offenses, greater & lesser, in favor of all such charges now being officially deemed forms of Rape.

Also of note are the Rape Shield Laws which sacrifice a defendant's right to face his accuser and gather a robust defense-- in favor of hiding the accusser's identity and relevant sexual history.

The rape hysteria on college campuses is well-documented. Would you object to a student-juror in a college kangaroo court-- who refused to participate in the miscarriage of justice... such as the defendant not being allowed legal counsel, or a 51%/preponderance of evidence standard being applied (as mandated by the Obama Administration, rather than the 98%/beyond a reasonable doubt.

The college campus lunacy is spreading. California and New York have made 'yes means yes' affirmative consent a state law, without a shred of concern that the standard is only applied to whether a female said yes, or had a beer, or 'felt' obligated to have sex. The same Mary Koss who spawned the 1-in-4 rape college rape stat in the 1980s now advises the FBI & CDC that males forced to penetrate females should not be counted as 'rape' victims, but should be categorized in a separate 'other' category. The number of males reporting having been forced to penetrate-- is higher than the number of females reporting being penetrated. No 'rape is rape', if you're male.

I start this discussion knowing that males can't expect equal treatment under the law for littering or sitting on a park bench after dusk, so it's no great leap to extend that to rape charges. I discard much of Paul Elam's essay as irrelevant (rather than incorrect), but his central assertion still stands. I don't know how welch arrived at the notion that a juror must be 100% sure the specific case being tried has been tainted as illegitimate. The appearance of an unfair trial-- REASONABLE DOUBT-- is sufficient. Better 10 guilty men walk free, than one innocent suffer.

HoneyWagon wrote:

comhcinc wrote:

HoneyWagon wrote:OT, but I showed this in the hangout.
This is from the 2012 TAM....only 3 1/2 years ago.

http://i.imgur.com/uEAg1Fv.jpg?2

Left to right:
Bryan Bonner, Matthew Baxter, Karen Stollznow, Ben Radford, Blake Smith, Ross Blocher and Carrie Poppy

Show the dress that matches Phil's wallpaper!

https://i.imgur.com/eKkAPu6.jpg

Was that dress an homage to Benoit Mandelbrot?

Outed1TimeAsGrey! wrote:

rayshul wrote:Chekc this shit out AHAHHAHA

i66.tinypic.com/5l114x.jpg

This may be the most retarded thing I've ever seen

Yes!
We must remove the bottom layer of that pyramid

so that we have a shorter pyramid

in which we are all closer to murder.

I am 95% sure the signature on the cartoon is @ziibiing

twitter.com/ziibiing
instagram.com/ziibiing/

which leads to

ashleycfairbanks.com/index.php/right-sidebar/

So, no, that comic is not satire nor poe. She means that shit.

Bourne Skeptic wrote:

HoneyWagon wrote:

comhcinc wrote:

Show the dress that matches Phil's wallpaper!

https://i.imgur.com/eKkAPu6.jpg

Was that dress an homage to Benoit Mandelbrot?

HoneyWagon wrote:

Bourne Skeptic wrote:
Was that dress an homage to Benoit Mandelbrot?

Now I am sad.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd19 ... Benoit.gif

HoneyWagon wrote:http://i.imgur.com/RtpURuL.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... C_1864.jpg

I know a lot of people get upset but I wish to see more t-shirt based battles.

comhcinc wrote:

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:Is the hangout available online?

Do you have the Expressed Written Permission of the National Football League and the Columbia Broadcast Service?

Err...yes?

HoneyWagon wrote:

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:

HoneyWagon wrote:

Hoping for a more Oceania-centric one next time

Bloody Aussies and Kiwis, always whinging about being out of sync with the rest of the world. My heart bleeds for you, with your beautiful beaches and winters where 4C is a cold night.

Fuck you. Fuck you into the ground. (But not too far, otherwise you'll come out up here and start looking for jobs in our pubs.)

Dude, I live in Hollywood.
I just love hearing the accents ;)

Dude, I was just trying to crack a funny.

comhcinc wrote:

Skep tickle wrote:

Lol'ed.

Aron Ra is punk.

'My apologies, I have read nothing you've written, listened to none of your many talks, and have only heard third hand accusations from people who spit venom 24/7 but who I somehow yet remain friends with, and oh yes I am a skeptic and rationalist and believe I act like it'

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:

comhcinc wrote:

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:Is the hangout available online?

Do you have the Expressed Written Permission of the National Football League and the Columbia Broadcast Service?

Err...yes?

Good. Unfortunately for you this hangout was not recorded. It was backchannel private event not meant to be made public. We got to be ourselves and show our faces and use our real names. You just need to plan to be at one.

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:

HoneyWagon wrote:

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
Bloody Aussies and Kiwis, always whinging about being out of sync with the rest of the world. My heart bleeds for you, with your beautiful beaches and winters where 4C is a cold night.

Fuck you. Fuck you into the ground. (But not too far, otherwise you'll come out up here and start looking for jobs in our pubs.)

Dude, I live in Hollywood.
I just love hearing the accents ;)

Dude, I was just trying to crack a funny.

Dude, I know. You're not Steers.

HoneyWagon wrote:http://i.imgur.com/RtpURuL.jpg

Middle-aged and older nerdy women in T-shirts are scary as fuck.

I should know, I am one.

HoneyWagon wrote:

Shatterface wrote:

MarcusAu wrote:The strangest thing about it was that everyone seemed so normal.

Cheers Com - great job in sorting this out.

A bunch of Pitters hung out together and no one got raeped. Why can't all skepticism be like that?

We need to send our code of conduct out to the rest of the community because obviously we've worked out how to get along and they haven't.

There were even several women there...though not all under Steersman's definition

You mean they had outdated motherboards? :rimshot:

BarnOwl wrote:

HoneyWagon wrote:http://i.imgur.com/RtpURuL.jpg

Middle-aged and older nerdy women in T-shirts are scary as fuck.

I should know, I am one.

Yeah in a hot way!

I think I can get us some bookings on the indy circuit.

HoneyWagon wrote: https://i.imgur.com/eKkAPu6.jpg

I had glasses like that ...




... in the fifth grade.

The term "Freedom Feminism" makes me cringe, though.

comhcinc wrote:
Yeah in a hot way!

I think I can get us some bookings on the indy circuit.

Do we have to wrestle?

If so, I'll need to work on my smacking-people-with-metal-folding-chairs technique.

Skep tickle wrote:Winner of transgender beauty pageant stripped of her title because she was 'not transgender enough'

Unbelievable. "not living full-time as a woman". That's what happens when "we" don't draw a line in the sand, when we engage in "shoddy and inept application of words"! Sheesh. ;-)

A Pit shooper might fit the bill?

BarnOwl wrote:

comhcinc wrote:
Yeah in a hot way!

I think I can get us some bookings on the indy circuit.

Do we have to wrestle?

If so, I'll need to work on my smacking-people-with-metal-folding-chairs technique.

Thankfully after the Benoit murder suicide chair shots have mostly gone out of style.

No you need to work on being able to get color. Red = Green

HoneyWagon wrote:http://i.imgur.com/RtpURuL.jpg

Is the angry skepchick on the left Surly Amy's mom?
It looks like a toxic estrogen showdown! :shock:

Aneris wrote:The term "Freedom Feminism" makes me cringe, though.

Indeed. As opposed to what? "Slavery Feminism"? Although there were "freedom fries" so I suppose it's at least consistent.

Skep tickle wrote:Winner of transgender beauty pageant stripped of her title because she was 'not transgender enough'

The haters claim that the impostor's use of male underwear was enough to raise suspicions and that panties are, pardon the pun, a seminal moment in a trans girl's life.

But what about the men who like to wear panties who must number in the millions worldwide? Are they necessarily women?

This is a needlessly complicated issue.

free thoughtpolice wrote:

HoneyWagon wrote: <snip>

There were even several women there...though not all under Steersman's definition

You mean they had outdated motherboards? :rimshot:

No longer able to clock the m-egg-a-hertz?

Apres le deluge, Jesse Singal.

http://meaningoflife.tv/videos/33823

Really? wrote:

Skep tickle wrote:Winner of transgender beauty pageant stripped of her title because she was 'not transgender enough'

The haters claim that the impostor's use of male underwear was enough to raise suspicions and that panties are, pardon the pun, a seminal moment in a trans girl's life.

But what about the men who like to wear panties who must number in the millions worldwide? Are they necessarily women?

This is a needlessly complicated issue.

In-deed. Largely predicated on transactivists trying to steal a march. Hence the necessity to cut to the chase ....

Brive1987 wrote:I have been railroaded into Zoolander2. I do not have high hopes.

Why Zoolander 2?

HoneyWagon wrote:

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote: <snip>

Dude, I was just trying to crack a funny.

Dude, I know. You're not Steers.

Dude, since having had my firmware upgraded, I've successfully cracked a few jokes. Even got a laugh out of Shatterface recently, although that was probably more due to Jan Steen's photoshop, but still ....