If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

d4m10n wrote:

Kirbmarc wrote:SJWs will crumble when some of them will get older. The core of the SJW support comes from college-age people. Give the current generation five years and they'll realize how the world works.

By then Professor Click will have inculcated a new age cohort.

MacGruberKnows wrote:

CommanderTuvok wrote:This "punching up/down" bullshit.

I guess working class people can "punch up" middle class SJWs and FTBullies? Or doesn't it work that way?

#rhetoricalquestion

Traditional economic Marxists say yes, depending on the relationsip of the SJW to the means of production.

Feminist Marxists say it depends on the sexes of the workers and SJWs involved because that is what defines their relationship to the dominant culture.

I wish the two Marxist camps would get together and punch the crap out of each other till up and down was established.

But I kind of think it would not be much of a fight, the coal-miners and steelworkers would probably beat the crap out of the women's gender study instructors and radfem bloggers.

free thoughtpolice wrote:The Roosh V presser I was referring to:
[youtube]CD6ajfna7tE[/youtube]

Bourne Skeptic wrote:Here's a link to the Milo, Christina Hoff Sommers speech at University of Minnesota.

Brive1987 wrote:

DaveDodo007 wrote:

Brive1987 wrote:Strawkins - thanks for the accommodationist info. Where were the wars played out? Did it ever reach the vitriol and character assassination levels of the schism?

Well PZ called Ruse a gobshite and Ruse never stopped going on about it, it was mainly played out on blogs. PZ, Benson, Coyne and Dawkins blogs. I think it all started with the 'Don't be a Dick' post though I can't even remember who wrote it. There was Mooney and Asspig involved as well.

Don't be a dick was Plait trying to tone police atheist and skeptic debate via a speech at TAM 2010.

Surely this can't have been AccomWar's elevatorgate given the players on Team-Accommodation?

Oglebart wrote:

free thoughtpolice wrote:The Roosh V presser I was referring to:
[.youtube]CD6ajfna7tE[/youtube]

Yeah it's odd behaviour. He can't seem to stay still, maybe he's more nervous than he's letting on?

Is it me or does he have really long arms too, proper knuckle draggers.

Brive1987 wrote:

Gumby wrote:
2 pm eastern time US Saturday, which I believe translates to 7pm (or 1900, if you prefer) GMT. check a time site because I could be wrong on the GMT.

Ah. 6.00am Sunday morning here.

some guy wrote:

comhcinc wrote:

Gumby wrote:A) Is it a pain in the ass to access and participate? Do I have to set up an account of some kind if I already have a google account?

If you have a google account you are good to go.

Would anyone watching be able to see google names? (And thereby know your email address.)

Oglebart wrote:

free thoughtpolice wrote:The Roosh V presser I was referring to:
[youtube]CD6ajfna7tE[/youtube]

Yeah it's odd behaviour. He can't seem to stay still, maybe he's more nervous than he's letting on?

Is it me or does he have really long arms too, proper knuckle draggers.

free thoughtpolice wrote: btw, I have really long arms too, so that knuckledragger comment has put you on my "not sure" list.
Not a body shapist are you? :twisted:

deLurch wrote:

Lsuoma wrote:Australian town consumed by hairy panic.

For others who have to look this up after reading the article:

paddock
1. a small field or enclosure where horses are kept or exercised.

comhcinc wrote: Yup. Most people stated they were free anytime as long as they had some advance notice. Some people had certain times they couldn't make it. I went with this time because it was in the time frame of when everyone said they could make it and it still seemed like a somewhat reasonable time for most people. Not too terrible late and not too terrible early.

Brive1987 wrote:

comhcinc wrote: Yup. Most people stated they were free anytime as long as they had some advance notice. Some people had certain times they couldn't make it. I went with this time because it was in the time frame of when everyone said they could make it and it still seemed like a somewhat reasonable time for most people. Not too terrible late and not too terrible early.

Brive1987 wrote:I really feel like this timing has been imposed in a most uncollegiate fashion :mrgreen: :lol:

I did my best. I asked for input and took it and this was the best I could do. I know it's early but I didn't think it was so early as to be a no sale well still being not so late for the people in Europe. I would use it as an excuse for a midday nap

Brive1987 wrote:In all honesty I'll probably be z'ed-ing, but please send me the link anyway.

Your name is on the list and I hope you make it you sexy sounding man.

Brive1987 wrote:Is there an expression of interest list?

Just us hanging out getting to hear and see each other.

Brive1987 wrote:Will those who don't attend start to feel their lack of invisible bonds? Will in-group jokes start to form? Is this the beginning of ....... schism?

comhcinc wrote:

free thoughtpolice wrote: btw, I have really long arms too, so that knuckledragger comment has put you on my "not sure" list.
Not a body shapist are you? :twisted:

Are they considered arms or front legs? :think:

d4m10n wrote:

Bourne Skeptic wrote:Here's a link to the Milo, Christina Hoff Sommers speech at University of Minnesota.

Good show. Thanks for the link.

Sort of surprised the usual suspects didn't show up to protest. :bjarte:

d4m10n wrote:

Bourne Skeptic wrote:Here's a link to the Milo, Christina Hoff Sommers speech at University of Minnesota.

Good show. Thanks for the link.

Sort of surprised the usual suspects didn't show up to protest. :bjarte:

Brive1987 wrote:

comhcinc wrote: Yup. Most people stated they were free anytime as long as they had some advance notice. Some people had certain times they couldn't make it. I went with this time because it was in the time frame of when everyone said they could make it and it still seemed like a somewhat reasonable time for most people. Not too terrible late and not too terrible early.

I really feel like this timing has been imposed in a most uncollegiate fashion :mrgreen: :lol:

In all honesty I'll probably be z'ed-ing, but please send me the link anyway.

Is there an expression of interest list? What if I woke up early and from bleary eyes saw this?

http://i.imgur.com/x8OaVmk.jpg

Will those who don't attend start to feel their lack of invisible bonds? Will in-group jokes start to form? Is this the beginning of ....... schism?

Ericb wrote:
Mathew C. Nisbet on Science Blogs was the ground zero of the Framing Wars of 2007.

http://scienceblogs.com/framing-science ... e-a-nisbe/

If Dawkins and PZ really care about countering the message of The Expelled camp, they need to play the role of Samantha Power, Geraldine Ferraro and so many other political operatives who through misstatements and polarizing rhetoric have ended up being liabilities to the causes and campaigns that they support. Lay low and let others do the talking.

So Richard and PZ, when it comes to Expelled, it’s time to let other people be the messengers for science. This is not about censoring your ideas and positions, but rather being smart, strategic, tactical, and ultimately effective in promoting science rather than your own personal ideology, books, or blog.

Fuck you very much, Matt. You know where you can stick your advice.

HunnyBunny wrote: Could be, it really is timezone privilege, I'm feeling so oppressed and otherside of the world with my 3am slot.

But have fun y'all.

Brive1987 wrote:

comhcinc wrote: Yup. Most people stated they were free anytime as long as they had some advance notice. Some people had certain times they couldn't make it. I went with this time because it was in the time frame of when everyone said they could make it and it still seemed like a somewhat reasonable time for most people. Not too terrible late and not too terrible early.

I really feel like this timing has been imposed in a most uncollegiate fashion :mrgreen: :lol:

In all honesty I'll probably be z'ed-ing, but please send me the link anyway.

Is there an expression of interest list? What if I woke up early and from bleary eyes saw this?

http://i.imgur.com/x8OaVmk.jpg

Will those who don't attend start to feel their lack of invisible bonds? Will in-group jokes start to form? Is this the beginning of ....... schism?

Kirbmarc wrote: Also according to SJWs a parody of specific person (DawahMan or Big Red) is an "anti-muslim stereotype" or an "anti-feminist stereotype".

d4m10n wrote:

d4m10n wrote:

Bourne Skeptic wrote:Here's a link to the Milo, Christina Hoff Sommers speech at University of Minnesota.

Good show. Thanks for the link.

Sort of surprised the usual suspects didn't show up to protest. :bjarte:

Spoke too soon...

Skep tickle wrote: #AwfulFem Tweets (TW: Mostly Zvan's)

comhcinc wrote:

HunnyBunny wrote: Could be, it really is timezone privilege, I'm feeling so oppressed and otherside of the world with my 3am slot.

But have fun y'all.

You name a time and I will talk to you. I can't guarantee anyone else I am cool with anyone here that wants to chat.


Sorry that is the best I can do. :cry:

HunnyBunny wrote:

comhcinc wrote:

HunnyBunny wrote: Could be, it really is timezone privilege, I'm feeling so oppressed and otherside of the world with my 3am slot.

But have fun y'all.

You name a time and I will talk to you. I can't guarantee anyone else I am cool with anyone here that wants to chat.


Sorry that is the best I can do. :cry:

It's ok, maybe if they get going I can join in over summer when I become timezone & house size privileged.

Skep tickle wrote:Without peeking at the websites, match the set of ads (sets 1 & 2 below) with the website (A or B) at which it appeared just a few minutes ago.

Answer options:
A) Bokhari's post on Young & Yiannopoulos' talk in Minneapolis (here)
B) Zvan's latest post at her blog (currently still at FTB)

Ad sets, to match 1:1 w/ answer options above:
1)
http://i.imgur.com/kOmTOMXh.png

2)
http://i.imgur.com/xJpdpbch.png

Bonus question: Which set of ads not only does more to objectify women but is also aimed at an anti-skeptical woo-leaning audience?

The Ruby Community Conduct Guideline
We have picked the following conduct guideline based on an early draft of the PostgreSQL CoC, for Ruby developers community for safe, productive collaboration. Each Ruby related community (conference etc.) may pick their own Code of Conduct.

This document provides community guidelines for a safe, respectful, productive, and collaborative place for any person who is willing to contribute to the Ruby community. It applies to all “collaborative space”, which is defined as community communications channels (such as mailing lists, submitted patches, commit comments, etc.).

Participants will be tolerant of opposing views.
Participants must ensure that their language and actions are free of personal attacks and disparaging personal remarks.
When interpreting the words and actions of others, participants should always assume good intentions.
Behaviour which can be reasonably considered harassment will not be tolerated.

Here's a post summarizing some of the problems with this CoC:

github.com/hnrysmth/words/issues/1

A few highlights:

- it explicitly descopes conferences. You can do whatever you like there, the CoC doesn't apply.
- it says nothing about how to handle abuse. Nothing about who to contact, nothing about what process they will follow for resolving the problem, nothing about what actions they may take.
- it expects you to be tolerant of other people's hatred/intolerance. (You have to be tolerant of *viewpoints*. It says nothing about being tolerant of *people*. And in fact, if others are intolerant of you, *you must assume that they have good intentions*):

> if somebody on the Ruby project wants to talk publicly about their hatred for people of your race, gender, or sexuality, then you will be expected to meekly submit to this and continue providing your labour without complaint.

And for reference, the CoC (draft) that it, according to the above link, is based on:

> 1. The CoC is to provide community guidelines for creating and enforcing
a safe, respectful, productive, and collaborative place for any person
who is willing to contribute in a safe, respectful, productive and
collaborative way.

> 2. The CoC is not about being offended. **The act of being offended is
purely a recipient response and usually the offended individual is more
interested in being a victim than moving forward.**

> 3. A safe, respectful, productive and collaborative environment is free
comments related to gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical
appearance, body size or race.

> 4. Any sustained disruption of the collaborative space (mailing lists,
IRC etc..) or other PostgreSQL events shall be construed as a violation
of the CoC and appropriate action will be taken by the CoC committee.

> 5. The CoC is only about interaction with the PostgreSQL community. Your
private and public lives outside of the PostgreSQL community are your own.

> **6. The CoC is not about Social Justice.**

So... yeah... This CoC is pretty explicit about allowing and condoning destructive behavior, and very little else.

comhcinc wrote:

jet_lagg wrote:

comhcinc wrote:I just got back from deadpool. I would talk about how much I enjoyed it but I don't want to be accused of enjoying any more Mary Sues.

Fuck off with that low quality bait [emoji14] I already told you I was ceding the final word. And Deadpool was great I agree. It's doing some damage to the mantra r-rated comic movies can't be successful too.

How can it be a great movie with such an obvious Mary Sue? I mean Ryan Reynolds is a producer on the film and had input in writing the story for the movie. He literal made a movie about himself being the coolest thing ever that creates a happy ending for a character even though it's completely again the core story.


:popcorn:

free thoughtpolice wrote:Even worse , What's with the awful looking toenail and how is it a sign you will die soon? :shock:

jet_lagg wrote:There's no sense in continuing since you explicitly said you don't think Mary Sue is a thing in even in principle (I did mention James Bond, which should have made it clear I think the trope could be made appealing). We could get into the entire concept of meta (hopefully you agree Deadpool is meta) and how that changes the equation, but I'm not sure I'm interested since we don't even agree on bedrock definitions.

Skep tickle wrote:

d4m10n wrote:

d4m10n wrote:
Good show. Thanks for the link.

Sort of surprised the usual suspects didn't show up to protest. :bjarte:

Spoke too soon...

#AwfulFem Tweets (TW: Mostly Zvan's)

Ape+lust wrote:Peez, trying on his Old, But Down and With It pants:

http://imgur.com/SuXEVPI.png

Resonate? She knows how to resonate?

REBOOT!

http://imgur.com/IXksheg.png

Too important to be a justice. Yessss.

That is how you do right by your Bey. Choke on it, Elyse.

http://imgur.com/pkN4oAP.png

Alright, we get it. Shocking, but not for In the Know Grandpa. Stop it, Peez.

When speakers are banned on campus today, they are often accused of being intolerant, or bigoted. Whether it’s a far-right firebrand or an Islamist preacher who’s being silenced, the charge that someone is being intolerant – of other religions, of women, of homosexuals – is the go-to justification for No Platforming him or her. But who are the real intolerant ones? Those who wish to air their views – as hateful or batty as they may be – or those who can’t tolerate hearing them?

At this unique, one-off conference – the first of its kind in the UK – spiked is bringing together world-renowned writers, academics and activists to interrogate these questions. With sessions on Safe Spaces, the Boycott Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement, No Platforming and hate speech, we will explore the rise of a new intellectual bigotry on campus, which is producing young minds that would rather censor or boycott their opponents than argue with them.

rayshul wrote:Why didn't I get an invite to the meeting?
Yeh basterds

comhcinc wrote:

rayshul wrote:Why didn't I get an invite to the meeting?
Yeh basterds

Because the meeting hasn't happened yet. The time works for you right?

comhcinc wrote:So for the hangout skype thing on Saturday. Does 2 pm Eastern time work for people?

Skep tickle wrote:

comhcinc wrote:So for the hangout skype thing on Saturday. Does 2 pm Eastern time work for people?

Not vouching for accuracy but this is what "time zone converter" online gives:

8am Sunday in New Zealand
5am Sunday in Brisbane
3am Sunday in Hong Kong
8pm Saturday in Germany, Switzerland, & Sweden
7pm Saturday GMT/UTC
2pm Saturday on US east coast
11am Saturday in Vancouver BC
9am Saturday in Hawaii & Aleutian Islands

Skep tickle wrote:

comhcinc wrote:So for the hangout skype thing on Saturday. Does 2 pm Eastern time work for people?

Not vouching for accuracy but this is what "time zone converter" online gives:

8am Sunday in New Zealand
5am Sunday in Brisbane
3am Sunday in Hong Kong
8pm Saturday in Germany, Switzerland, Sweden, and France
7pm Saturday GMT/UTC
2pm Saturday on US east coast
11am Saturday in Vancouver BC
9am Saturday in Hawaii & Aleutian Islands

jet_lagg wrote:And I have to say after Benson's last I'm adding her to my list of right cunts that are deserving of nothing less than my full contempt. After complaining so bitterly about Carrier twisting her words to make her appear transphobic, I thought maybe the scales had fallen from her eyes. But no, she's happy to say Dawkins blamed feminists for his stroke, even when he used the most clear language to explain that's not what he was saying. Hypocritical fucking cunt.

Ape+lust wrote:

On the other hand…I did omit the part about the timing, because Facciani’s transcript didn’t include it. (I think he may have added it later.) I’ll update the post to add a note about that.

dog puke wrote:

Ape+lust wrote: [i.mg][/img]

:twatson: Ape... you magnificent denizen of the slyme - I award you an honourary dogship. :twatson:

comhcinc wrote:Today is the last day for input for the upcoming hang out that is happening on Saturday. So far this is what we have:

Saturday 20th 2pm Eastern Time (US) using google hangouts.

Skep tickle wrote:

comhcinc wrote:So for the hangout skype thing on Saturday. Does 2 pm Eastern time work for people?

Not vouching for accuracy but this is what "time zone converter" online gives:

8am Sunday in New Zealand
5am Sunday in Brisbane
3am Sunday in Hong Kong
8pm Saturday in Germany, Switzerland, & Sweden
7pm Saturday GMT/UTC
2pm Saturday on US east coast
11am Saturday inVancouver BC Hollywood, California
9am Saturday in Hawaii & Aleutian Islands