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Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 2:38 pm
by piginthecity
Just watched 'Beck' a Scandinavian crime drama on the BBC and it's a total SJW-Fest.

Only 2 episodes in - all the victims are women, all the perps are men and we've had one predatory rape-strangers-for-kicks gang, one Rohypnol-using groom and stalk internet pedo, one gymnastics coach molesting his charges, one schoolboy gang who post naked pictures of girls on the Internet and call them whores and so forth by text message and they even manage to fit in a discussion about the suicide statistics in their country for young women (not young men of course). They haven't got round to video games yet but I've got high hopes of episode 3 !


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Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 3:04 pm
by KiwiInOz
feathers wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:Working-class women were expected to work in fields and farms, so they could earn extra money by working at "home" (for example by selling feathers to wandering feather merchants).
Whoa whoa whoa I think not
http://i.imgur.com/L1YDO5C.png

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 3:08 pm
by comhcinc
Spike13 wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:
Sunder wrote:I notice that Springsteen can actually pronounce "deuce" and not make it sound like "douche."
I still think douche when I hear Brucey. I guess I hate New Jersey. :drool:
Springsteen is not the official ambassador of NJ. He just happens to live here.

Born, raised and still currently live here... I hate Brucey too. I hear from people who supposedly met him that he's a really nice guy. Just can't stand his music.
If I lived in NJ I would want Springsteen to be the official ambassador. Down to earth, working man rock star who is even willing to sing a punk song every now and then.

[youtube][/youtube]


And it's a lot better than these people.

http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uplo ... -shore.jpg

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 3:12 pm
by CommanderTuvok
Don't know if anybody has mentioned on here already, but a new survey by Demos (a think tank) reveals just how rampant Islamophobia is in the UK. Problem is, their definition of Islamophobia seems to include critiquing Islam.

Predictably the BBC have been fawning over the "findings" and falling over themselves to repeat the narrative of the report. Also predictably, a few right wing dicks get on Twitter and start firing back abuse at the BBC, Muslims, the authors of the report, and so, again, predictably, they cite these tweets as PROOF of the credibility of the report.

Godless Spellchecker runs a critical eye over things.

http://www.gspellchecker.com/2016/08/de ... n-twitter/

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 3:14 pm
by comhcinc
Spike13 wrote:Someone should also point out that cops don't get to choose " what side" they stand on. They are assigned to go and keep the peace. Keeping the peace, that's always the right side.

I would mostly agree with this but there have been times in our history when this wasn't the case.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_ ... poc100.jpg

I've had the honor of meeting some of those people.

The thing is I have never seen the cops act anywhere near as bad as they were in Birmingham in 63. Cops shouldn't always be considered the good guys but they should also never be assumed to be the bad guys.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 3:22 pm
by comhcinc
Bourne Skeptic wrote:"Gawker.com to End Operations Next Week

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http://gawker.com/gawker-com-to-end-ope ... 1785455712

:lol:

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 3:31 pm
by fuzzy
Spike13 wrote: Someone should also point out that cops don't get to choose " what side" they stand on. They are assigned to go and keep the peace. Keeping the peace, that's always the right side.
http://www.ballpoint.com/blog/wp-conten ... d-peas.jpg

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 3:45 pm
by fuzzy
Twitter Suspends 235,000 More Accounts Over Extremism
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/19/techn ... emism.html
Daily suspensions for violating Twitter’s prohibition on terrorism are up over 80 percent since last year, with spikes in suspensions immediately following terrorist attacks, the company said.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 3:46 pm
by comhcinc
Can we just invade Syria please? I understand it's a complicated shit mess that will take a couple of decades for us to get out of but it seems to me we have reach the point that it's necessary.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:13 pm
by Kirbmarc
comhcinc wrote:The thing is I have never seen the cops act anywhere near as bad as they were in Birmingham in 63. Cops shouldn't always be considered the good guys but they should also never be assumed to be the bad guys.
Police officers are simply people who do a job which society needs: an organized monopoly of force which makes people obey the laws of their country.

The alternative is either vigilante justice, which is far more disorganized and likely to lead to abuse and to spiral out of control, or leaving people to fend for themselves, which isn't so great for those who cannot defend themselves, and leads to the rule of the stronger over the weaker.

Like all people who have jobs with some kind of power, some of them do a good job, some of them do a bad job, some a decent enough one, and some abuse of their power. Also their job is to make people obey the law. Some laws can be stupid or irrational, but that's not for them to decide, not more than for anyone else anyway.

It's good to keep an eye on possible cases of bad policing, abuses and corruption and police shouldn't be shielded from rational criticism and from fact-based reporting. Public oversight is a potential check to abuses of power in general.

On the other hand assuming that "police is always on the wrong side" like PZ does isn't a rational criticism or fact-based journalism, it's an ideological position.

It's rather easy to see why PZ has to assume that law enforcement is always in the wrong. He's been trying to use his blog as radfem alternative justice system, and he's following an ideology which tells him that everyone who's not with him is an evil rape apologist rapist-wannabe misogynistic scum. He needs to cater to an audience of people who think that the right thing to do is never call the police but expose "problematic people" on the Internet. He wants to appeal to slacktivists who dream of a violent SocJus revolution while they live on government checks.

The funny thing is that more often than not police officers come from families which are much less privileged than those who accuse them of oppressing unprivileged folk. SJWs are often middle to upper middle class college students, and it's actually pretty irritating to see them dismiss the entire police force as "terrible" when they wouldn't last a second in a really police-less work.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:19 pm
by HunnyBunny
comhcinc wrote:
VickyCaramel wrote:I have an interest in conspiracy theories, mostly the ones that are actually true or have some truth to them.
This my just be an unnecessary nitpick on my part but while there are plenty of conspiracies throughout history, the term "conspiracy theory" always (at least for the last 50 years) is used for an hypothesis that contradicts known facts. There have never been a conspiracy theory that was true.

-Not a Lizard Person


But I would like to hear about some of the examples you are talking about because I dig this stuff as well.
Most likely 'Da Joos done it' ;)

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:38 pm
by fuzzy

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:40 pm
by CaptainFluffyBunny
comhcinc wrote:Can we just invade Syria please? I understand it's a complicated shit mess that will take a couple of decades for us to get out of but it seems to me we have reach the point that it's necessary.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/17/world/syr ... ke-victim/
After WWII, we said "never again." No more holocaust, no more genocides. Bosnia, Rawanda, Darfur and Cambodia all speak to the lack of resolve to actually stop them from happening. There are always very good reasons not to interfere and not to get involved, and I don't pretend to have a very good idea of what is the best long-term solution. But it is clearly a tremendous failure on the part of humanity that these things still occur. All while idiots get worked up about a movie involving anthropomorphic food.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:43 pm
by free thoughtpolice
comhcinc wrote:Can we just invade Syria please? I understand it's a complicated shit mess that will take a couple of decades for us to get out of but it seems to me we have reach the point that it's necessary.
Are you volunteering for a job of going house to house, kicking in doors, and deciding who are good guys and who aren't? When you don't speak the language.
If there ever was a time to prove that the UN is a useful entity, this is the time.
It could be over pretty quickly with a durable solution and if it is possible to get other nations esp. Shia vs Sunni to negotiate honestly there could be a solution.
Otherwise. :fpig:

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:45 pm
by Dave
comhcinc wrote:
Spike13 wrote: Springsteen is not the official ambassador of NJ. He just happens to live here.

Born, raised and still currently live here... I hate Brucey too. I hear from people who supposedly met him that he's a really nice guy. Just can't stand his music.
If I lived in NJ I would want Springsteen to be the official ambassador. Down to earth, working man rock star who is even willing to sing a punk song every now and then.

[youtube][/youtube]
Like Spike said, hes a nice guy. Im sure Id be happy to have a beer with him. Just prefer not to hear him sing.
And it's a lot better than these people.

http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uplo ... -shore.jpg
Anything is better than those people, besides, most of them arent even from Joisey.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:47 pm
by Tigzy
comhcinc wrote:Can we just invade Syria please? I understand it's a complicated shit mess that will take a couple of decades for us to get out of but it seems to me we have reach the point that it's necessary.
Given what happened with Iraq, I'd say it was pretty damn incumbent on any prospective intercessionary force to have a well thought out plan on what happens after the (presumably successful) invasion. Otherwise, people should stay the fuck out of it.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:48 pm
by free thoughtpolice
Anthropomorphic doesn't sound very organic. I for one won't any of these cartoon characters. :bjarte:

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:49 pm
by Dave
Dave wrote:
comhcinc wrote:And it's a lot better than these people.

http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uplo ... -shore.jpg
Anything is better than those people, besides, most of them arent even from Joisey.
Even these people are better:
http://img.wennermedia.com/article-lead ... fedfbd.jpg

Ive actually met a couple of them, and they are not quite as annoying as they are on TV.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:50 pm
by comhcinc
HunnyBunny wrote:
comhcinc wrote:
VickyCaramel wrote:I have an interest in conspiracy theories, mostly the ones that are actually true or have some truth to them.
This my just be an unnecessary nitpick on my part but while there are plenty of conspiracies throughout history, the term "conspiracy theory" always (at least for the last 50 years) is used for an hypothesis that contradicts known facts. There have never been a conspiracy theory that was true.

-Not a Lizard Person


But I would like to hear about some of the examples you are talking about because I dig this stuff as well.
Most likely 'Da Joos done it' ;)
I'm picking up what you are putting down.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:51 pm
by free thoughtpolice
eat any of those

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:51 pm
by comhcinc
fuzzy wrote:
Most likely 'Da Joos done it' ;)
http://bible.motifake.com/image/demotiv ... 772950.jpg

He actually dies at the end of the second act and comes back at the end.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:54 pm
by free thoughtpolice
The thing is it kind kills his martyr cred. :geek:

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:54 pm
by Dave
comhcinc wrote:
The thing is I have never seen the cops act anywhere near as bad as they were in Birmingham in 63. Cops shouldn't always be considered the good guys but they should also never be assumed to be the bad guys.
I dont see them as necessarily either good guys or bad guys. I just dont assume they are on my side.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:57 pm
by comhcinc
free thoughtpolice wrote:
comhcinc wrote:Can we just invade Syria please? I understand it's a complicated shit mess that will take a couple of decades for us to get out of but it seems to me we have reach the point that it's necessary.
Are you volunteering for a job of going house to house, kicking in doors, and deciding who are good guys and who aren't? When you don't speak the language.
If there ever was a time to prove that the UN is a useful entity, this is the time.
It could be over pretty quickly with a durable solution and if it is possible to get other nations esp. Shia vs Sunni to negotiate honestly there could be a solution.
Otherwise. :fpig:
First how do you know I don't speak the language bear?

But really I understand be cautious and the fact that this is a hard thing to do but at what point for you bear is enough enough? Chemical weapons? Children deaths? Bombing hospitals? I am not trying to pull an emotional attack on ya bear. I really want to know how much it takes for you to say okay we have to stop this?

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:58 pm
by Ape+lust
Because Tigzy, and the rest of us since, have been calling him "shrimp" :lol:

http://imgur.com/ZeqYRSC.jpg

Yeah, he's actually tall.

He's still a shrimp, though.

http://imgur.com/Elwi2DI.jpg

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:00 pm
by comhcinc
Tigzy wrote:
comhcinc wrote:Can we just invade Syria please? I understand it's a complicated shit mess that will take a couple of decades for us to get out of but it seems to me we have reach the point that it's necessary.
Given what happened with Iraq, I'd say it was pretty damn incumbent on any prospective intercessionary force to have a well thought out plan on what happens after the (presumably successful) invasion. Otherwise, people should stay the fuck out of it.
I agree that there needs to be a plan in place but I also believe that after five years of this shit we (and by we I mean the civilised world) need to put an end to it.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:07 pm
by Shatterface
Ape+lust wrote:Because Tigzy, and the rest of us since, have been calling him "shrimp" :lol:

http://imgur.com/ZeqYRSC.jpg

Yeah, he's actually tall.

He's still a shrimp, though.

http://imgur.com/Elwi2DI.jpg
He looks like Bugsy Malone's barrister.

Why do so few lefties look like horny-handed sons of toil?

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:10 pm
by comhcinc
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
comhcinc wrote:Can we just invade Syria please? I understand it's a complicated shit mess that will take a couple of decades for us to get out of but it seems to me we have reach the point that it's necessary.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/17/world/syr ... ke-victim/
After WWII, we said "never again." No more holocaust, no more genocides. Bosnia, Rawanda, Darfur and Cambodia all speak to the lack of resolve to actually stop them from happening. There are always very good reasons not to interfere and not to get involved, and I don't pretend to have a very good idea of what is the best long-term solution. But it is clearly a tremendous failure on the part of humanity that these things still occur. All while idiots get worked up about a movie involving anthropomorphic food.
I admit I literally forget about Syria for a while and then I see something that reminds me and I get pissed all over again. This time is was a CBS story about it tonight. This time it was keyed off of the story of this kid.

http://static.standard.co.uk/s3fs-publi ... omran1.jpg

That is a four or five year old kid that doesn't know anything other than war. We can do better than this.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:11 pm
by Tribble
Tigzy wrote:
comhcinc wrote:Can we just invade Syria please? I understand it's a complicated shit mess that will take a couple of decades for us to get out of but it seems to me we have reach the point that it's necessary.
Given what happened with Iraq, I'd say it was pretty damn incumbent on any prospective intercessionary force to have a well thought out plan on what happens after the (presumably successful) invasion. Otherwise, people should stay the fuck out of it.
Are you talking about the crap that happened while we were there? Or the power vacuum that allowed Isis to grow to the size of Belgium and take over about 60% of the Iraqi & Syrian oil fields?

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:11 pm
by fuzzy
comhcinc wrote:
He actually dies at the end of the second act and comes back at the end.
Damn it! I always get that wrong.

[youtube][/youtube]

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:13 pm
by free thoughtpolice
comhcinc wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:
comhcinc wrote:Can we just invade Syria please? I understand it's a complicated shit mess that will take a couple of decades for us to get out of but it seems to me we have reach the point that it's necessary.
Are you volunteering for a job of going house to house, kicking in doors, and deciding who are good guys and who aren't? When you don't speak the language.
If there ever was a time to prove that the UN is a useful entity, this is the time.
It could be over pretty quickly with a durable solution and if it is possible to get other nations esp. Shia vs Sunni to negotiate honestly there could be a solution.
Otherwise. :fpig:
First how do you know I don't speak the language bear?

But really I understand be cautious and the fact that this is a hard thing to do but at what point for you bear is enough enough? Chemical weapons? Children deaths? Bombing hospitals? I am not trying to pull an emotional attack on ya bear. I really want to know how much it takes for you to say okay we have to stop this?
Holy shit! :o Ive just seen the evil Marcus Ranum from the equal and opposite universe as described in the Star Trek and South Park TV shows! I'm trying to stop lusting after murdering less privileged people of color but entitlement is difficult to spell much less check. :drool:

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:19 pm
by fuzzy
Shatterface wrote:
Why do so few lefties look like horny-handed sons of toil?
http://i.imgur.com/kEjgPf1.png

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:26 pm
by comhcinc
I have no clue what you are saying bear.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:27 pm
by Ape+lust
Shatterface wrote:
Ape+lust wrote:Because Tigzy, and the rest of us since, have been calling him "shrimp" :lol:

http://imgur.com/ZeqYRSC.jpg

Yeah, he's actually tall.

He's still a shrimp, though.

http://imgur.com/Elwi2DI.jpg
He looks like Bugsy Malone's barrister.

Why do so few lefties look like horny-handed sons of toil?
Because the exquisite compassion that makes a justice warrior can only be nurtured in a refined environment?

Sorry :lol:

The Left's abandonment of the lunch bucket class is probably the biggest travesty of modern politics. On both sides of the Atlantic.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:29 pm
by d4m10n
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote: Is this basically a precog account of Elyse's future? Sure sounds like one.
If anyone wants to support her legal fund (or what-have-you) there is a handy URL:
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016081 ... c8933c.jpg

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:33 pm
by Keating
comhcinc wrote:
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
comhcinc wrote:Can we just invade Syria please? I understand it's a complicated shit mess that will take a couple of decades for us to get out of but it seems to me we have reach the point that it's necessary.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/17/world/syr ... ke-victim/
After WWII, we said "never again." No more holocaust, no more genocides. Bosnia, Rawanda, Darfur and Cambodia all speak to the lack of resolve to actually stop them from happening. There are always very good reasons not to interfere and not to get involved, and I don't pretend to have a very good idea of what is the best long-term solution. But it is clearly a tremendous failure on the part of humanity that these things still occur. All while idiots get worked up about a movie involving anthropomorphic food.
I admit I literally forget about Syria for a while and then I see something that reminds me and I get pissed all over again. This time is was a CBS story about it tonight. This time it was keyed off of the story of this kid.

[img.]http://static.standard.co.uk/s3fs-publi ... omran1.jpg[/img]

That is a four or five year old kid that doesn't know anything other than war. We can do better than this.
No. Fuck you. That is emotional blackmail. There are plenty of kids who have a hard time closer to us. I could equally post a picture of the little girl killed in Nice.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:38 pm
by comhcinc
Keating wrote:
No. Fuck you. That is emotional blackmail. There are plenty of kids who have a hard time closer to us. I could equally post a picture of the little girl killed in Nice.
While I agree that it would be pretty awful to have to live in Nice France and it's fucking awful to also die there, I don't think it is quite as bad as spending your entire life in an active war zone.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:57 pm
by Really?
d4m10n wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote: Is this basically a precog account of Elyse's future? Sure sounds like one.
If anyone wants to support her legal fund (or what-have-you) there is a handy URL:
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016081 ... c8933c.jpg
Isn't one of her poor children male? Poor little guy.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 6:00 pm
by comhcinc
Really? wrote:
d4m10n wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote: Is this basically a precog account of Elyse's future? Sure sounds like one.
If anyone wants to support her legal fund (or what-have-you) there is a handy URL:
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016081 ... c8933c.jpg
Isn't one of her poor children male? Poor little guy.

He will shorty be coming out as trans along with her husband.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 6:08 pm
by free thoughtpolice
[youtube][/youtube]

Maybe this will help you,

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 6:09 pm
by free thoughtpolice
OOps that was the wrong one :oops:

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 6:17 pm
by fuzzy
Is this basically a precog account of Elyse's future? Sure sounds like one.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 6:26 pm
by VickyCaramel
Kirbmarc wrote:
VickyCaramel wrote:The interesting thing for me about the real conspiracies is that many of the normal skeptical objections actually fail. It is often said, 'the government can't keep anything secret, this information would get out'. The reality is that often the 'truth' is common knowledge, an open secret, but nobody is listening to what they have to say. To give #Gamergate as an example many people will be familiar with, there were tens of thousands of people on twitter, Youtube, Facebook, Twitch, etc, who knew they were pissed off about ethics in gaming journalism, and yet the whole MSM throughout the western world was reporting that is was about misogyny and online harassment.
I wouldn't call the whole of#GamerGate a "conspiracy theory", though. There have been many conspiracy theorists and loonies inside #GameGate (like the countless conspiracy about Anita Sarkeesian), but the whole thing boiled down to "there is some cronyism between game sites, professional reviewers and some game producers, and some of this cronyism is due to ideology". Hardly a "conspiracy" to uncover. As you say this is an open secret, common knowledge, and pretty plausible considering human psychology and the nature of media.

The reasons why most of the media reported it was all about misogyny is because a) the media have a pro-media bias, and #GamerGate was a criticism of media b)media people are lazy and follow the dominant narrative c) old, inaccurate media stereotypes (like the idea that "gamers" are angry virgin white males) have been successfully exploited by the SJWs and d)few people in the media really care that much about video games.
Sorry, it wasn't supposed to be an example of a conspiracy, but an example of how the full spectrum of the media from CNN to bloggers can be reporting something which is the complete opposite of reality. True this is a unique case because of the media bias for the media, but another example would be vaping. There is a load of scientific research which is saying they are harmful, but it is all advocacy research or just really bad research. The good science has yet to find anything wrong with them, in terms of health risk or sociological effect. In the UK we have it good and the medical establishment and thus the government are in favour of them, yet every time some bullshit study comes out along with a press release, the newspapers are all over it. Of course, this is also less about a conspiracy (although there is one of sorts) and more about the media preferring bad news over good news... the point is that if you give the media what they want, they can be exploited. And in this case, good science gets buried and quackery gets publicized.
Yesterday, i read a thread with about 300 comments where a "skeptic" was arguing with two conspiracy nuts. Unfortunately just about everything the skeptic argued was bullshit. He had obviously done his research, he was quoting names and dates, and yet all of it was wrong. Obviously when you get loonies on both sides who are emotionally invested, the whole subject becomes a farce and people just walk away... as i did.
Now I'm curious. What was the thread about, and why was the "skeptic" wrong?
It was concerning bigfoot, which is my favorite spectator sport. It's good hunting, especially those creationists who believe they are the nephilim.

Essentially, this guy said that it was a new phenomenon dating back only 70 years. (Despite the fact it was first written about as a phenomenon in the 1840s), he said that Sasquatch was a made up name and denied that it came from Canadian-Indian language, and denied that any native people's believed in the creature. He also gave us a potted history on how easy it was to find the gorilla and the panda.

More importantly he claimed that all the footprints were faked by Ray Wallace, and that Roger Patterson borrowed Wallace's 'stompers'. He then went on to make a load of claims about Patterson being a con man who was filming a documentary he couldn't afford to finish, so obviously he conspired to fake the deep footprints which by his calculation would mean that bigfoot was heavier than a horse (?). And that the originals of the film had been conveniently lost to disguise the fact that it is a man in a suit. He said that Hollywood has been making better suits since the 1930s, despite the costume designers on all the Planet of the Apes movies, saying they could not make a suit like that now, let alone in the 1960s.

So Wallace claimed that he faked the footprints. And various people have claimed they were in the suit or made the suit.
The problem with this is that Wallace's fakes are obvious fakes that fooled nobody. In order to explain how he made some the tracks he claimed he made, he has said that he was running while being towed behind a truck. No doubt he faked a lot of tracks and other people probably did too, but this explanation explains very few of the tracks and he isn't very credible. Nor do Wallace's fakes match the prints produced by Patterson, fake or not.
Likewise, people who claim they were in the suit or made the suit are not credible either for various reasons. They are less credible than Paterson, and certainly less credible than Bob Gimlin. And their stories fall apart on the slightest scrutiny..... obviously they can't all be telling the truth because if it was faked, it was only faked once. As far as I am aware there is no known link between Wallace and Patterson, and I am fairly certain the Patterson-Gimlin film was never lost and has since been remastered.

There is a double standard. They say Patterson is a 'conman' because he once wrote a bad cheque, but the town drunk is to believed when he says he hoaxed it, even though he can't tell the same story twice.

Recently I have been out in the woods looking for the same evidence of bigfoot that some Americans find, and I am finding it here 20mins from London. I am able to find quite logical and natural explanations for things like tree-bows and witches knots without a need for a bigfoot. But the arguments against bigfoot are often far more idiotic that the arguments for it.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 6:28 pm
by free thoughtpolice
[youtube][/youtube]

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 6:59 pm
by free thoughtpolice
Oh shit that's a pit kill. :twatson: Try this one instead. :drool:
[youtube][/youtube]

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:07 pm
by CaptainFluffyBunny
I know some serious and dedicated and heavily-armed Bigfoot/sasquatch hunters in my area. It's why I never take my shirt off 8n the woods. That and ticks.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:16 pm
by ConcentratedH2O, OM
http://i.imgur.com/qx4CCRT.png

APE: YOU ARE ON YOUR LAST WARNING.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:18 pm
by ConcentratedH2O, OM
fuzzy wrote:
Is this basically a precog account of Elyse's future? Sure sounds like one.
Oh that is amazing. The poor sap's eyes leading me into a gateway to infinite sadness.

12/10, would slit wrists to this.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:19 pm
by VickyCaramel
comhcinc wrote:
feathers wrote:
comhcinc wrote:
This my just be an unnecessary nitpick on my part but while there are plenty of conspiracies throughout history, the term "conspiracy theory" always (at least for the last 50 years) is used for an hypothesis that contradicts known facts. There have never been a conspiracy theory that was true.

-Not a Lizard Person

But I would like to hear about some of the examples you are talking about because I dig this stuff as well.
One of the most hilarious things about conspiracy loons is, that they see a conspiracy on just about any street corner, yet completely fail to detect real conspiracies. I don't think there's anything on Wikileaks they actually predicted.
Yeah real conspiracies tend to be boring and are kinda uninteresting.
True, but interesting to some of us, especially those of us who were shouting "bullshit" at the television when we were being told Iraq could launch a nuclear strike in 45 mins.

The true ones tend to involve starting wars and are really no surprise, even if we do have to wait decades for governments to put their hands up to it.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:33 pm
by ConcentratedH2O, OM
free thoughtpolice wrote:[youtube][/youtube]
That is just awful. Really, I felt so sorry for the men (you can hear them chuckling half-heartedly every so often, like well-trained cucks) who sat through this, unable to walk out because of the pointy-faced little harridans sat beside them.

Please, everyone try watching this shit. Did she get paid? Did she get at least free travel/accommodation? I would sue the cunt off that unprepared, talentless piece of shit if I had spent a dollar on what I just watched.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:57 pm
by comhcinc
ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:http://i.imgur.com/qx4CCRT.png

APE: YOU ARE ON YOUR LAST WARNING.

Funny enough while I don't agree with whoever wrote this point, the first thing I thought when I saw that story is that people would be in total melt down mode if it would have been Clinton's popping up around the country.

To me it's just more proof that it's okay when we do it.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 8:18 pm
by katamari Damassi
That pic was taken when he was inducted into house Hufflepuff. He's definitely a Hufflepuff.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 8:34 pm
by Clarence
comhcinc wrote:
Keating wrote:
No. Fuck you. That is emotional blackmail. There are plenty of kids who have a hard time closer to us. I could equally post a picture of the little girl killed in Nice.
While I agree that it would be pretty awful to have to live in Nice France and it's fucking awful to also die there, I don't think it is quite as bad as spending your entire life in an active war zone.
Here. Let's go into Nigeria too!

https://toysoldier.wordpress.com/2016/0 ... ed-silent/

"It says something about a culture that prides itself on humanitarian concern that this culture could care so much about 200 kidnapped girls, but not bat an eye over 10,000 kidnapped boys."

Young men (at the very earliest age I would even use such a modifier) forced to teach 5 year olds how to fire guns!

And no one gives a shit.

Why is this boy in Syria any fucking more important?

I mean if we are playing World Good Cop and ignoring the lives the current US Government is ruining in our armed forces, colleges, and with its "zero tolerance" policies for minor crimes.

We've got problems here. Short of defending our allies and fighting ISIL directly and indirectly I have absolutely no more patience for calls for more international interventions. Esp when they are SOOOOOOOOOOO hypocritical and just happen to align (as always) with either Neocon foreign policy or SJW moral postering.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 8:37 pm
by comhcinc
Clarence wrote:
We've got problems here. Short of defending our allies and fighting ISIL directly and indirectly I have absolutely no more patience for calls for more international interventions. Esp when they are SOOOOOOOOOOO hypocritical and just happen to align (as always) with either Neocon foreign policy or SJW moral postering.
You do understand that if we were to go into Syria we would in fact be fighting ISIL directly?

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 8:38 pm
by Really?
ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
fuzzy wrote:
Is this basically a precog account of Elyse's future? Sure sounds like one.
Oh that is amazing. The poor sap's eyes leading me into a gateway to infinite sadness.

12/10, would slit wrists to this.
All men should be forced to watch this for ten minutes while someone reads an Elyse post before they are allowed to get married.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 8:39 pm
by KiwiInOz
fuzzy wrote:
Most likely 'Da Joos done it' ;)
http://bible.motifake.com/image/demotiv ... 772950.jpg
I thought he did a Game of Thrones, and died in the middle.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 8:44 pm
by Clarence
comhcinc wrote:
Clarence wrote:
We've got problems here. Short of defending our allies and fighting ISIL directly and indirectly I have absolutely no more patience for calls for more international interventions. Esp when they are SOOOOOOOOOOO hypocritical and just happen to align (as always) with either Neocon foreign policy or SJW moral postering.
You do understand that if we were to go into Syria we would in fact be fighting ISIL directly?
And probably Russia.
Syria is a 'no go' zone for the US, in part because NO ONE THERE IS A GOOD GUY(seriously, LOOK IT UP. Tell me who the GOOD PRO US NON FUNDAMENTALIST MUSLIM ALLIES are), and I'm not interested in World War 3.

And here I thought Trump was supposed to be the dangerous one.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 8:48 pm
by comhcinc
Clarence wrote:
comhcinc wrote:
Clarence wrote:
We've got problems here. Short of defending our allies and fighting ISIL directly and indirectly I have absolutely no more patience for calls for more international interventions. Esp when they are SOOOOOOOOOOO hypocritical and just happen to align (as always) with either Neocon foreign policy or SJW moral postering.
You do understand that if we were to go into Syria we would in fact be fighting ISIL directly?
And probably Russia.
Syria is a 'no go' zone for the US, in part because NO ONE THERE IS A GOOD GUY(seriously, LOOK IT UP. Tell me who the GOOD PRO US NON FUNDAMENTALIST MUSLIM ALLIES are), and I'm not interested in World War 3.

And here I thought Trump was supposed to be the dangerous one.
So what is your level of too much? Not being rhetorical. I am honestly interest of how much shit has to happen before you are willing to intervene?

For me it's now. It's been enough. Oh and yes I know it's a shit show and there are no good guys there. I understand how hard this is, I don't believe that can be used as excuse anymore.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 8:59 pm
by Lsuoma
Some pages back there was a mention of someone called Izzy Galvez as an Abuse moderator at Amazon, or something. Well, it's true, but he's beta as fuck. Typical beta neckbeard virgin dude who's white knighting for feminists and who will NEVER get laid.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 9:11 pm
by Clarence
comhcinc wrote:
So what is your level of too much? Not being rhetorical. I am honestly interest of how much shit has to happen before you are willing to intervene?

For me it's now. It's been enough. Oh and yes I know it's a shit show and there are no good guys there. I understand how hard this is, I don't believe that can be used as excuse anymore.
So long as Syria remains a total shitshow here is the VERY MOST action I could contemplate:
A. We don't fuck with Assad. Russia has a legitimate interest in that area.
B. We don't support or arm ANYONE. Esp not 'insurgents'.
C. We can bomb ISIL directly or we can let Russia do it. Believe it or not, they were fighting ISIL too. Some of our fucking "allies' have turned out to be ISIL or otherwise extreme anti-US muslim groups. This is fucking obscene.
D. We go in there and establish a military perimeter and a fleet to EVACUATE as many CIVILIANS (not involved in the war, mostly old men, young boys, women, girls) as possible. We let everyone know we are going to do this and then we do it, and then we LEAVE.
Problem is then we have to resettle them somewhere, and I'd rather it not be HERE , since even noncombatants in that area tend to be fundamentalist Muslim.

So when do we get around to solving Nigeria? All this shit about "Black Lives Matter" but to you and most of our left-wingers, apparently not if they are in Africa.

So when do we invade North Korea? They only have a few nukes. And they've held whole families in what are basically death camps for 40 or 50 in some cases. I actually consider a nuclear armed nutty North Korean leader to be the single greatest danger to the US or its allies , but we've let them fester because it would cost us something to either fight them or we'd have to kowtow a bit from our stupid pride to make a deal with China to reign them in.

And what about our own country? You know Hillary's election means more continuation of Obama's Unconstitutional Drone Hit Lists. Probably more hijinks in the use and abuse of the IRS against her political enemies. Continued feminist control of education policies and more attacks on the rights of armed service members to fair trials. More open borders. More trade pacts that don't take AMerican workers into account. Possible war with Russia as there's never been a single Neocon foreign policy proscription she seems to have ever opposed. It's sickening how we are perfectly fine with sacrificing our own citizens and giving up the rights that the past two administrations have grabbed from us permanently. I also worry about the Second and First Amendments with Hillary able to pick at least one Scotus Justice. While I think she will be a bit tougher on out and out violence from BLM and affiliated then Obama , she will still mostly seek to mollify at the expense of white people and law & order.

Anyway, apparently you have time to worry about SOME people in the rest of the world - in what seems to be a very hypocritical way - but no time to worry about your own country at all.