The Refuge of the Toads

[deLurch]

I was taught another little phrase as a child which was, "Six of one, half a dozen of the other".

The guy getting called a nigger was a cyclist. Cyclists generally deserve to get shouted at, to obey the rules of the road (which it seems most of them don't think they need to obey), or to stop riding around like lunatics, or to get the hell out of the way and stop taking up the whole road (Shit, I hope Mykeru is reading this), so two things occur to me...

Would sounding your horn at them constitute aggression and an infringement of the cyclist's right to continue being a menace on the roads?

And what kind of exchange between the two parties happened before one side went nuclear with the word "niggger"?

I can see a situation with a cyclist standing in the road blocking traffic, shouting abuse at passing cars, would that all be forgiven just because somebody replied to his abuse with the 'N' word?

I don't know about the UK, but in the US, the cyclists have all the rights and responsibilities of a car driver. So here, yes they can take up an entire lane to themselves. It is perfectly legal, and they are not being an ass by doing so.

On the flip side, I see many cyclists being assholes running stop signs, red lights, breaking traffic laws, mowing down pedestrians. And by the same token there are many motorists that act like complete asses towards them, and don't treat them like they have the same legal rights as a car.

[Billie from Ockham]

I don't know about the UK, but in the US, the cyclists have all the rights and responsibilities of a car driver. So here, yes they can take up an entire lane to themselves. It is perfectly legal, and they are not being an ass by doing so.

Many (US) states have laws that require bicycles to ride as close to the edge of the road as possible when they are traveling slower than the cars and/or speed limit. There are exceptions, such as left turns and passing, but you can be ticketed for being out in the middle of a lane for no specific reason. This has been a big deal in my area. The tickets given to the cyclists were appealed and the cyclists lost.

[deLurch]

Many (US) states have laws that require bicycles to ride as close to the edge of the road as possible when they are traveling slower than the cars and/or speed limit. There are exceptions, such as left turns and passing, but you can be ticketed for being out in the middle of a lane for no specific reason. This has been a big deal in my area. The tickets given to the cyclists were appealed and the cyclists lost.

Good to know.

[Billie from Ockham]

It's one of those things to check when visiting a different state. Of course, being who I am, the first thing that I check is whether the state has a stop-and-ID law. My wife was not amused when my son said to the nice man in the middle of the desert just east of Yuma who had just asked for our citizenship: "I sert and refuse to wave 'bye' my Fifth Amendment right to not answer your question ... don't taze me, bro." He was 8 or 9 at the time. Luckily, the BP guy just laughed. I had to wait until my recent colonoscopy to have my butt searched.

[Ape+lust]

If I'm killing the Pit, may as well kill it good.

That's so fuckin funny I think a little bit of shit came out. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I love the look on monkey Peez's face. He actually looks like he's thoroughly enjoying it.

:lol:

It's a pic that's been shooped a lot, a favorite of Elevatorgate's (remember him?).

http://imgur.com/PRvVLzk.jpg

He has the face of a 12 year old who found a porn cache in the woods. What were you thinking, Peez?

It looks like an old TV pose, where he turns to the camera as it zooms in: "Starring PZ Myers as Bothersome No-nads"

[Tigzy]

If I'm killing the Pit, may as well kill it good.

That's so fuckin funny I think a little bit of shit came out. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I love the look on monkey Peez's face. He actually looks like he's thoroughly enjoying it.

:lol:

It's a pic that's been shooped a lot, a favorite of Elevatorgate's (remember him?).

http://imgur.com/PRvVLzk.jpg

He has the face of a 12 year old who found a porn cache in the woods. What were you thinking, Peez?

It looks like an old TV pose, where he turns to the camera as it zooms in: "Starring PZ Myers as Bothersome No-nads"

:lol: It's perfect. That face - it's just this:

*Someone mentions Rebecca Watson*

http://imgur.com/PRvVLzk.jpg
'Ooh!'

[Kirbmarc]

Bearded cunt, Anjem Choudary convicted to inviting IS support in the UK:

GOT to be Islamophobia, right?

Choudary supports the Islamic State. In other news the water is wet, the sun is hot and the Pope is Catholic.

If I were the UK authorities I wouldn't want him in a British prison, though, he has converted and radicalized prisoners before. Strip him of his British citizenship if he's a citizen (after all he's aided and abetted an enemy of the United Kingdom), ship him off somewhere else (supposing that some other country might want him), and never let him come back.

[free thoughtpolice]

Another volley fired in the SJW war on humor. Steve Shives is a joke. No wait he isn't because jokes aren't jokes. And all speech is political. After all this time of getting laughed at the special snowflake contingent is striking back by defining jokes out of existence. :bjarte:
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[free thoughtpolice]

Bearded cunt, Anjem Choudary convicted to inviting IS support in the UK:

GOT to be Islamophobia, right?

Choudary supports the Islamic State. In other news the water is wet, the sun is hot and the Pope is Catholic.

If I were the UK authorities I wouldn't want him in a British prison, though, he has converted and radicalized prisoners before. Strip him of his British citizenship if he's a citizen (after all he's aided and abetted an enemy of the United Kingdom), ship him off somewhere else (supposing that some other country might want him), and never let him come back.

The prisons have been one of the richer recruiting grounds for radical islamists and even institutions for organizing movements ( ISIS and Islamic Jihad were largely developed in prisons). The institutions should be able to closely monitor that sort of activity and isolate the troublemakers, fuck their "religious freedom".

[Kirbmarc]

I see what you're saying, but in that case the vilification wasn't entirely without basis - a goodly portion of the diehard Left really does hate its own kind, and always has, because everything traditional, classical liberal and conservative is what (in terms of the ideology) stands in the way of the coming Utopia, therefore it must be evil and must be gotten rid of by any means necessary.

The mistake was to tar all people on the Left with the same brush. NALALT, NAMeALT, NAWALT, NAMuALT, etc.

Which is often ironic, because the reason why "not all" is because many of the footsoldiers in an ideology (or a religion, or a quasi-religious secular ideology) aren't actually all that au fait with its depths and logical implications. They just want to do something nice, and think of the ideology's goals, its nice aspect, its forward-looking positive aspect, and don't think through the implications, and the fact that the megadeaths in Soviet Russia, China, Asia, etc. may actually be the result of flaws in the logic.

But what am I saying?! It's such considerations as these that lead one back to classical liberalism, and perish the thought that I'd be trying to convince any Left-inclined Pitters to get back into the fold ;)

That's how it worked for me. I happen to think now that classical liberalism plus some kind of safety net for the really indigent to provide them with food, healthcare, housing, decent education for their kids and ultimately some job opportunities, and some way to promote people with talent but little or no financial means is the way to go. The goal is to get more and more people (ideally everyone) to have a decent chance to survive and thrive according to their skills, not equality of outcome and not even complete equality of chances (which is impossible anyway, since the more skilled will always have more chances).

The nature of the safety net and of the incentives is open to debate. Is it better to have "negative income taxes" and school vouchers like Milton Friedman said, or do more Keynesian solutions work better? Is it better to have single-payer mandatory healthcare, or are other solutions a better fix?

I've never been a fan of communism, but I've come to realize that socialism in general, even in its non-Marxist forms, has plenty of flaws, chiefly its dependence on a more and more intrusive government with less and less checks on its powers, which is never a good thing.

Most of all any authoritarian attempt to completely reshape society from the ground up according to an Utopian goal is bound to fail and cause more problems than it fixes. It's far better to work through piecemeal social engineering, limited reforms which are aimed at specific, actual problems rather than at vague, ill-defined enemies like "oppression" or "Patriarchy".

[Kirbmarc]

Bearded cunt, Anjem Choudary convicted to inviting IS support in the UK:

GOT to be Islamophobia, right?

Choudary supports the Islamic State. In other news the water is wet, the sun is hot and the Pope is Catholic.

If I were the UK authorities I wouldn't want him in a British prison, though, he has converted and radicalized prisoners before. Strip him of his British citizenship if he's a citizen (after all he's aided and abetted an enemy of the United Kingdom), ship him off somewhere else (supposing that some other country might want him), and never let him come back.

The prisons have been one of the richer recruiting grounds for radical islamists and even institutions for organizing movements ( ISIS and Islamic Jihad were largely developed in prisons). The institutions should be able to closely monitor that sort of activity and isolate the troublemakers, fuck their "religious freedom".

If someone is found guilty of supporting foreign-based terrorist groups they should be stripped of their citizenship and thrown out of the country. In WWII William Joyce (a.k.a. Lord Haw-Haw), who was a broadcaster of Nazi propaganda in English, was found guilty of high treason and even sentenced to death.

I don't support the death penalty, and anyway times are different now, so I think that permanent loss of citizenship and/or permanent exile are warranted in the case of supporting and creating propaganda for the Islamic State, since we're at war with it.

[Billie from Ockham]

If a person had never had any other citizenship (and maybe has never even been out of the country), then where do you send them if you strip them of citizenship? Do you take them 12 miles off the coast and drop them? Put them in a box and mail them to the UN?

Asking for a friend.

[Kirbmarc]

If a person had never had any other citizenship (and maybe has never even been out of the country), then where do you send them if you strip them of citizenship? Do you take them 12 miles off the coast and drop them? Put them in a box and mail them to the UN?

Asking for a friend.

In the case of Choudary, I'd say deport him to Pakistan.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

We are, like, freakishly similar, aren't we?

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[DrokkIt]

Seems like one of those movies that will be carefully crafted to give nobody any reason to change their position at all, one way or the other. No MRA going in will not come out an MRA. No feminist going in....well, no feminist will go in.

Seeing other interviews with the author makes confirms my suspicions.

Perhaps she is a good documentary maker and intends to show things for what they are, and not try to tell people what to think. Her prior works should lay out here style.

I heard about this when Sargon interviewed her, and the impression I got was that she went in expecting it to be about how gross MRAs were but came out fairly convinced by the argument, and has since had considerable problems from feminists attacking her for even doing it.
HOWEVER of course that interview was meant to drum up interest and Sargon's audience is primarily non-femenist men.

[DrokkIt]

Move over Michelle Jenneke, a new Pit sweetheart?
[youtube][/youtube]

Too much self-mutiliation.

Awwww, she looks like half the girls I know.

[jet_lagg]

Possibly ninja'd but CNN has been caught editing the video of the Milwaukee police shooting victim's sister to make it appear she was calling for peace, when in fact she was effectively calling for a race war. The bit that was aired:

Burnin down sh*t ain’t going to help nothin! Y’all burnin’ down sh*t we need in our community.

The bit immediately following that:

Take that shit to the suburbs. Burn that shit down!

Am I missing something, or is this a big deal? This is what can only be called intentional misdirection from an institution supposedly here to inform the public. Heads should roll over this.

https://www.rt.com/usa/356133-cnn-milwa ... im-sister/

[jimthepleb]

Nope, maybe a couple of grand. It's the publishers who make out like bandits.

Goddamn, that's what I thought. I do believe that is why they don't do more e-books. Nobody would have any qualms about pirating the stuff.

The new trick seems to involve not actually downloading the text, but reading it off the publisher's website. This way, the students pay for access for one semester and then their password expires. Now, I'm sure that someone could just "rip" the text off the site while they have access and then pass along a pdf, but they've brought down the price to reduce the incentive. Plus, the extra bits like being able to tap on a word and have the definition pop up wouldn't work (and that's one thing that students really like). In any event ... from what I understand ... the cut for the author is only a few dollars per "user" per semester.

An Elementary Psych text could get you a bit of money (being the single largest market in terms of dollars per year in the US), but it really needs to be a course with a big book and a large percentage of the students to make serious money. Something like half a million Americans take an Intro Psych course each year.

That's fucking terrifying. 500,000 SJW primed noobs a year. America you are as fucked as we yurpeens.

[rayshul]

I'm enjoying this KiA thread

I wonder about your bias Rayshul - aren't you embedded deep in enemy territory, surrounded by white males on a day-to-day basis?

nb the reddit link mentions the current fracas with Micheal Phelps being asked to carry the USA flag.

There was a story some years ago (sorry I can't find the youtube clip) when Phelps was confronted at an Olympic games press conference by an NZ reporter - asking (in jest) if he was not ashamed that he had won more medals in the games as an individual, than the entire New Zealand Olympic team.

Hahaha.

Yeah my life is all white men, all the time.

[rayshul]

I actually agree with that as well. It's just a big pendulum swinging left and right.

And its AUTHORITARIANS (often totalitarian authoritarians at that) all the way down...

I think the reason they're getting more hardcore is because the right has moved to the centre. In places like Australia and NZ, it's fucking impossible to tell the two parties apart now half the time (and the left wing main parties lose from that).

[Clarence]

Possibly ninja'd but CNN has been caught editing the video of the Milwaukee police shooting victim's sister to make it appear she was calling for peace, when in fact she was effectively calling for a race war. The bit that was aired:

Burnin down sh*t ain’t going to help nothin! Y’all burnin’ down sh*t we need in our community.

The bit immediately following that:

Take that shit to the suburbs. Burn that shit down!

Am I missing something, or is this a big deal? This is what can only be called intentional misdirection from an institution supposedly here to inform the public. Heads should roll over this.

https://www.rt.com/usa/356133-cnn-milwa ... im-sister/

It's a big deal. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get the video URL from the RT website (Just remember , it is Putin Apologist, but I don't think its making this up) but I'm going to look at Mike Cernovich's place and other areas of the "alt-right" to try and get the original video and confirm.

Right now, I am predisposed to believe CNN guilty. I remember Zimmerman and how the big networks twisted his words. I remember libertarians, MRA's and alt-right people saying their interviews had been selectively cut and things. Some refuse to even do interviews anymore. I think this should be the smoking gun for anyone: you can no longer trust the mainstream American press on any issue that involves their owners bottom lines, any 'infamous' crime (rape reporting tends to be very sensationalistic and often assumes guilt), or when it comes to 'victim groups' or "Social Justice" issues.

[Clarence]

I see what you're saying, but in that case the vilification wasn't entirely without basis - a goodly portion of the diehard Left really does hate its own kind, and always has, because everything traditional, classical liberal and conservative is what (in terms of the ideology) stands in the way of the coming Utopia, therefore it must be evil and must be gotten rid of by any means necessary.

The mistake was to tar all people on the Left with the same brush. NALALT, NAMeALT, NAWALT, NAMuALT, etc.

Which is often ironic, because the reason why "not all" is because many of the footsoldiers in an ideology (or a religion, or a quasi-religious secular ideology) aren't actually all that au fait with its depths and logical implications. They just want to do something nice, and think of the ideology's goals, its nice aspect, its forward-looking positive aspect, and don't think through the implications, and the fact that the megadeaths in Soviet Russia, China, Asia, etc. may actually be the result of flaws in the logic.

But what am I saying?! It's such considerations as these that lead one back to classical liberalism, and perish the thought that I'd be trying to convince any Left-inclined Pitters to get back into the fold ;)

That's how it worked for me. I happen to think now that classical liberalism plus some kind of safety net for the really indigent to provide them with food, healthcare, housing, decent education for their kids and ultimately some job opportunities, and some way to promote people with talent but little or no financial means is the way to go. The goal is to get more and more people (ideally everyone) to have a decent chance to survive and thrive according to their skills, not equality of outcome and not even complete equality of chances (which is impossible anyway, since the more skilled will always have more chances).

The nature of the safety net and of the incentives is open to debate. Is it better to have "negative income taxes" and school vouchers like Milton Friedman said, or do more Keynesian solutions work better? Is it better to have single-payer mandatory healthcare, or are other solutions a better fix?

I've never been a fan of communism, but I've come to realize that socialism in general, even in its non-Marxist forms, has plenty of flaws, chiefly its dependence on a more and more intrusive government with less and less checks on its powers, which is never a good thing.

Most of all any authoritarian attempt to completely reshape society from the ground up according to an Utopian goal is bound to fail and cause more problems than it fixes. It's far better to work through piecemeal social engineering, limited reforms which are aimed at specific, actual problems rather than at vague, ill-defined enemies like "oppression" or "Patriarchy".

One still needs to address things like relationships between the sexes , 'real' domestic violence (not consensual bdsm, not shoves, not words) children, family formation, community politics, etc.

I think the general principle should be:
Mandatory State Intervention only when absolutely necessary. People should be largely free to conduct their own private lives and make their own decisions and State Interference -esp CRIMINAL law interference in such could only be justified via OBJECTIVE laws and preferrably a request from at least one of the private parties involved when an actual law is being broken.

For instance, how big a problem is domestic violence, really?
Something like 1000 women and 500 men die of it each year in the USA.
This despite all the laws and shelters and gun rights and blah blah.
Just how much more interference in someone's private life, just how many more laws do we need to get it down to ZERO deaths? Is it even possible? And is the totalitarian suspicious police state that we'd have to create to do (actually we largely have already created that) worth the end goal, even if it is possible?

[AndrewV69]

As for the Nye segment, it's telling that Nye was funnier than the "comedians." You can tell he has a funnier, nimbler mind for comedy than those two affirmative action cases. It's not even the jokes that are bad. Go ahead and joke about making a celebrity sex tape on Mars. That can be hilarious. But...and here's the main problem with so many things...they put ideology over creativity or humor. Instead of playing along like real comedians and mining humor out of the subject matter, the committed the cardinal sin of comedy: they said no.

There's something quite depressing about that segment. Abraham Lincoln with zest for life and knowledge, versus young "comedians" from the Idiocracy who don't know and don't care.

Last night I watched some of David Cross's latest special on Netflix. Holy fuck was it terrible. Just god awful. It was all LOOK HOW STUPID AND EVIL THOSE RED PEOPLE ARE. And I'm more on the left side of things. But I no longer find that sort of thing cute or funny or anything. All I can think of is "DO YOU WANT TRUMP? THAT'S HOW YOU GET TRUMP"

I'm sure it has it's audience. And that's fine, I guess. But it's making the problem worse, not better.

The rise in modern racism is an expected reaction to an elitist, out of touch, arrogant culture that tells them that racism is wrong.

Reminds me of this How the Left Brought Racist and Sexist Trolling Upon Itself

Not saying I agree 100% with him about what he has to say, far from it actually, but I believe he is pretty close to the mark here and there (underline is mine):

This has resulted in a large digital, but veritable army of online bloggers, posters, commenters, and trolls with zero fucks to give. From their basements, their buddies' couches, or their local bar they slam and troll the precious sensibilities of the professional victim-whoring industry. Comments sections are filled with racial epitaphs, outright sexism, outright bigotry, and all manner of name calling. They blow through the mine-field of political correctness by jettisoning any pretense of political correctness, indifferent if they're accused of an "ism" or "ist," agreeing-and-amplifying with bulldoze force. And they only increase the ferocity of their attacks when the professional parasites whine about being attacked. In the end, these leftists who insist on being professional victims, are guaranteed to be hounded and harassed when they publicly post their whining and parasitism on line. And since that's how they get their money, they have condemned themselves to an entire life of online harassment, criticism, lecturing, and hatred.

Read the whole thing shitlords. You know I quotemine.

[comhcinc]

Possibly ninja'd but CNN has been caught editing the video of the Milwaukee police shooting victim's sister to make it appear she was calling for peace, when in fact she was effectively calling for a race war. The bit that was aired:

Burnin down sh*t ain’t going to help nothin! Y’all burnin’ down sh*t we need in our community.

The bit immediately following that:

Take that shit to the suburbs. Burn that shit down!

Am I missing something, or is this a big deal? This is what can only be called intentional misdirection from an institution supposedly here to inform the public. Heads should roll over this.

https://www.rt.com/usa/356133-cnn-milwa ... im-sister/

I saw that this morning. I am not sure how big of a deal it is. If this women was an important political or business leader then yes it would be a big deal. She is the emotional sister of a person (right or wrong doesn't matter) that was just killed. I think maybe I am okay will cutting the woman a little slack through I think it would have been best to just not show it at all.

[free thoughtpolice]

If a person had never had any other citizenship (and maybe has never even been out of the country), then where do you send them if you strip them of citizenship? Do you take them 12 miles off the coast and drop them? Put them in a box and mail them to the UN?

Asking for a friend.

Chowderhead was born in the UK IIRC.
The problem with deporting them is they move their operations to another country, get new connections over there and continue to link up with their old homies. A case in point is Choudary's mentor, who he has been in contact with up until Choudary's arrest.:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Bakri_Muhammad

[murtzuphlus]

Some strange news from Norway.

The Norwegian church (Lutheran bent; relatively benign) was a state church until 2012, and has a membership of approx. 75% of the population. It's still funded by the government - USD445m per year - or USD115 per member, BUT the funding applies regardless of changes in membership.

In their wisdom the politicians have decided that other religions shall receive funding per member equal to the what the funding of the Norwegian church receives per member. This means that reduction in membership in the Norwegian church increases the funding per member for other religions.

Conundrum: stay in the Norwegian church or leave and effectively increase the support of the other religions, the biggest one being islam.

http://www.side3.no/vet-du-hva-som-skje ... 52353.html

[Kirbmarc]

One still needs to address things like relationships between the sexes , 'real' domestic violence (not consensual bdsm, not shoves, not words) children, family formation, community politics, etc.

I think the general principle should be:
Mandatory State Intervention only when absolutely necessary. People should be largely free to conduct their own private lives and make their own decisions and State Interference -esp CRIMINAL law interference in such could only be justified via OBJECTIVE laws and preferrably a request from at least one of the private parties involved when an actual law is being broken.

For instance, how big a problem is domestic violence, really?
Something like 1000 women and 500 men die of it each year in the USA.
This despite all the laws and shelters and gun rights and blah blah.
Just how much more interference in someone's private life, just how many more laws do we need to get it down to ZERO deaths? Is it even possible? And is the totalitarian suspicious police state that we'd have to create to do (actually we largely have already created that) worth the end goal, even if it is possible?

Good questions.

I'd say that every project which aims at reducing violent deaths due to any kind of crime to zero is an utopian fantasy which leads to authoritarian laws. You can improve law enforcement and the justice system and make them more efficient, but you can never eliminate crime (any kind of crime, actually). Yes, every crime is a tragedy, and especially violent crime, but there is no perfect system which can save everyone.

Anyone who thinks that you can get murders due to domestic violence down to zero deaths is incredibly naïve at best and downright deluded at worst. As long as people exist they'll have the ability to kill other people and as long as people live together and have relationships the chances of them killing the people they live with and are emotionally close to will be higher than the chances of them killing a stranger they have no strong feelings for and they don't live with.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Bit of good news:

We've finally managed to serve all the paperwork and book our wedding for September 23 at 14:40. I am now enjoying my last month of freedom...

Of course, any Pitter around is invited (please let us know a couple of days before).

[Billie from Ockham]

Conundrum: stay in the Norwegian church or leave and effectively increase the support of the other religions, the biggest one being islam.l

WWRD?

(What would Ragnar do?)

[jet_lagg]

I saw that this morning. I am not sure how big of a deal it is. If this women was an important political or business leader then yes it would be a big deal. She is the emotional sister of a person (right or wrong doesn't matter) that was just killed. I think maybe I am okay will cutting the woman a little slack through I think it would have been best to just not show it at all.

I wasn't asking if it was a big deal in the sense of "is this woman newsworthy?" but in the sense that CNN intentionally mislead their audience. Manufacturing news what propagandists do. It's completely antithetical to the entire idea of journalism. I already have a low estimation of the media, but this was a especially bad. It demonstrates the crew involved either didn't understand that urging crowds of violent protestors to go burn down innocent people's houses is not "calling for peace", or they knew but didn't care. Either one is inexcusable.

[sp0tlight]

Huh, a 8h trip to Nice via bus is only 50 Euro or so. Maybe I should wedding crash.

[Clarence]

I saw that this morning. I am not sure how big of a deal it is. If this women was an important political or business leader then yes it would be a big deal. She is the emotional sister of a person (right or wrong doesn't matter) that was just killed. I think maybe I am okay will cutting the woman a little slack through I think it would have been best to just not show it at all.

I wasn't asking if it was a big deal in the sense of "is this woman newsworthy?" but in the sense that CNN intentionally mislead their audience. Manufacturing news what propagandists do. It's completely antithetical to the entire idea of journalism. I already have a low estimation of the media, but this was a especially bad. It demonstrates the crew involved either didn't understand that urging crowds of violent protestors to go burn down innocent people's houses is not "calling for peace", or they knew but didn't care. Either one is inexcusable.

The third possibility is that they support her call for violence and don't want to give any future white or middle class victims of such outright racial and class based provarication warning or sympathy. Control the narrative. This sort of stuff might drive more white people or even minorities (in the suburbs) to Trump. Can't have that. Hillary MUST win, the SPICE MUST FLOW.

[comhcinc]

I saw that this morning. I am not sure how big of a deal it is. If this women was an important political or business leader then yes it would be a big deal. She is the emotional sister of a person (right or wrong doesn't matter) that was just killed. I think maybe I am okay will cutting the woman a little slack through I think it would have been best to just not show it at all.

I wasn't asking if it was a big deal in the sense of "is this woman newsworthy?" but in the sense that CNN intentionally mislead their audience. Manufacturing news what propagandists do. It's completely antithetical to the entire idea of journalism. I already have a low estimation of the media, but this was a especially bad. It demonstrates the crew involved either didn't understand that urging crowds of violent protestors to go burn down innocent people's houses is not "calling for peace", or they knew but didn't care. Either one is inexcusable.

I know what you were saying. My point is while I haven't made up my mind yet, I don't think editing out inflammatory comments from the sister of a person that was just shot to death necessary a big deal or even a bad thing.

I mean for example the press knew about JFK fucking around but kept it to themselves because they didn't find it newsworthy and they was doing, what was in their minds, the decent thing. To me this is a similar case.

[Clarence]

I saw that this morning. I am not sure how big of a deal it is. If this women was an important political or business leader then yes it would be a big deal. She is the emotional sister of a person (right or wrong doesn't matter) that was just killed. I think maybe I am okay will cutting the woman a little slack through I think it would have been best to just not show it at all.

I wasn't asking if it was a big deal in the sense of "is this woman newsworthy?" but in the sense that CNN intentionally mislead their audience. Manufacturing news what propagandists do. It's completely antithetical to the entire idea of journalism. I already have a low estimation of the media, but this was a especially bad. It demonstrates the crew involved either didn't understand that urging crowds of violent protestors to go burn down innocent people's houses is not "calling for peace", or they knew but didn't care. Either one is inexcusable.

I know what you were saying. My point is while I haven't made up my mind yet, I don't think editing out inflammatory comments from the sister of a person that was just shot to death necessary a big deal or even a bad thing.

I mean for example the press knew about JFK fucking around but kept it to themselves because they didn't find it newsworthy and they was doing, what was in their minds, the decent thing. To me this is a similar case.

De Nile isn't just a river in Egypt, I see.
I myself heard anti-white comments and incitement in the riots in Milwaukee. I wonder if you did?

[comhcinc]

I saw that this morning. I am not sure how big of a deal it is. If this women was an important political or business leader then yes it would be a big deal. She is the emotional sister of a person (right or wrong doesn't matter) that was just killed. I think maybe I am okay will cutting the woman a little slack through I think it would have been best to just not show it at all.

I wasn't asking if it was a big deal in the sense of "is this woman newsworthy?" but in the sense that CNN intentionally mislead their audience. Manufacturing news what propagandists do. It's completely antithetical to the entire idea of journalism. I already have a low estimation of the media, but this was a especially bad. It demonstrates the crew involved either didn't understand that urging crowds of violent protestors to go burn down innocent people's houses is not "calling for peace", or they knew but didn't care. Either one is inexcusable.

The third possibility is that they support her call for violence and don't want to give any future white or middle class victims of such outright racial and class based provarication warning or sympathy. Control the narrative. This sort of stuff might drive more white people or even minorities (in the suburbs) to Trump. Can't have that. Hillary MUST win, the SPICE MUST FLOW.

Maybe but I doubt the rank and file have such machiavellian thoughts.

[jet_lagg]

This isn't remotely similar to them deciding what parts of a story are or are not newsworthy. This is them editing out parts of a single, very short statement so that they can report on it as a call for peace when it was precisely the opposite.

[Clarence]

I wasn't asking if it was a big deal in the sense of "is this woman newsworthy?" but in the sense that CNN intentionally mislead their audience. Manufacturing news what propagandists do. It's completely antithetical to the entire idea of journalism. I already have a low estimation of the media, but this was a especially bad. It demonstrates the crew involved either didn't understand that urging crowds of violent protestors to go burn down innocent people's houses is not "calling for peace", or they knew but didn't care. Either one is inexcusable.

The third possibility is that they support her call for violence and don't want to give any future white or middle class victims of such outright racial and class based provarication warning or sympathy. Control the narrative. This sort of stuff might drive more white people or even minorities (in the suburbs) to Trump. Can't have that. Hillary MUST win, the SPICE MUST FLOW.

Maybe but I doubt the rank and file have such machiavellian thoughts.

I doubt you've been paying attention. This isn't the first time a video or soundclip has been edited. When it came to Zimmerman, they wanted to put inflammatory comments in his mouth. When it comes to this young lady (who by the way is hardly boohoohooing and its not five minutes after she learned of his death) they clearly don't want her to be seen as calling for violence.

Do you really believe they'd 'protect' you if your favorite niece was killed by a cop, rural whites started rioting, and you said, "Take it out of THIS community, and to the inner cities. They are warzones anyway, and we need our fishing supplies store". That you compare calling for violence and hatred to covering up for some horndog of a politician fucking around (and by the way, short of bribery, about the only other thing US politicians are ever punished for is 'sex scandals' ) is rather astounding.

[comhcinc]

De Nile isn't just a river in Egypt, I see.
I myself heard anti-white comments and incitement in the riots in Milwaukee. I wonder if you did?

I saw a lot of it. The difference between you and me on this case is I am choosing to view the editing in a positive light and you are choosing to view it in a negative light. Since there is zero evidence for either of our opinions I will just leave it at that.

[Brive1987]

Michelle needs to move further along the spectrum.

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/olympics/ri ... qu4dx.html

"At the moment, I am still young, I live at home, go to university. At the moment, athletics isn't my only priority," she said.

[comhcinc]

I doubt you've been paying attention. This isn't the first time a video or soundclip has been edited. When it came to Zimmerman, they wanted to put inflammatory comments in his mouth. When it comes to this young lady (who by the way is hardly boohoohooing and its not five minutes after she learned of his death) they clearly don't want her to be seen as calling for violence.

Do you really believe they'd 'protect' you if your favorite niece was killed by a cop, rural whites started rioting, and you said, "Take it out of THIS community, and to the inner cities. They are warzones anyway, and we need our fishing supplies store". That you compare calling for violence and hatred to covering up for some horndog of a politician fucking around (and by the way, short of bribery, about the only other thing US politicians are ever punished for is 'sex scandals' ) is rather astounding.

That is the second time you have insulted me for no reason. I am not discussing this further with you because you want a fight and I am uninterested in trying to win the internet today.

[screwtape]

Conundrum: stay in the Norwegian church or leave and effectively increase the support of the other religions, the biggest one being islam.l

WWRD?

(What would Ragnar do?)

I'm glad you read the sagas! Sadly, Ragnar was never a norse god (or transgoddess, if I might create a new category of....something, don't know what). I nearly became a Norwegian in the early 1970's when my father tried to move there. He was foiled by his lack of Norwegian language ability, despite belonging to a desired profession. Worked out OK for him in the end, as he left engineering to be a sheepfarmer in Wales for ten years, then retired to Canada.

[Kirbmarc]

I saw that this morning. I am not sure how big of a deal it is. If this women was an important political or business leader then yes it would be a big deal. She is the emotional sister of a person (right or wrong doesn't matter) that was just killed. I think maybe I am okay will cutting the woman a little slack through I think it would have been best to just not show it at all.

I wasn't asking if it was a big deal in the sense of "is this woman newsworthy?" but in the sense that CNN intentionally mislead their audience. Manufacturing news what propagandists do. It's completely antithetical to the entire idea of journalism. I already have a low estimation of the media, but this was a especially bad. It demonstrates the crew involved either didn't understand that urging crowds of violent protestors to go burn down innocent people's houses is not "calling for peace", or they knew but didn't care. Either one is inexcusable.

There's the chance that they edited out the comment in order not to give more fuel to violent protests, just like they censored the Mohammed cartoons in order not to "create controversy". It's unethical journalism in both cases, but it's easy for them to rationalize it as a "noble lie" or noble manipulation. Or at least that's what they could believe.

[comhcinc]

This isn't remotely similar to them deciding what parts of a story are or are not newsworthy. This is them editing out parts of a single, very short statement so that they can report on it as a call for peace when it was precisely the opposite.

I disagree. It seems it is exactly deciding that part of her statement was newsworthy and the other part wasn't.


Like I said to Rudy MacRudeRude, I see this as they wanting to give this woman a break. She is dealing with the death of her brother and being a the center of a national shit storm. In the grand scheme whether she actually thinks that people should be burning down suburbs matters absolutely zero

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[comhcinc]

Conundrum: stay in the Norwegian church or leave and effectively increase the support of the other religions, the biggest one being islam.l

WWRD?

(What would Ragnar do?)

I'm glad you read the sagas! Sadly, Ragnar was never a norse god (or transgoddess, if I might create a new category of....something, don't know what). I nearly became a Norwegian in the early 1970's when my father tried to move there. He was foiled by his lack of Norwegian language ability, despite belonging to a desired profession. Worked out OK for him in the end, as he left engineering to be a sheepfarmer in Wales for ten years, then retired to Canada.

Wait are you saying that in other countries they want you to be able to speak the language before moving there?

That will get your suburban home burn to the ground to for being racist here.

[Kirbmarc]

I know what you were saying. My point is while I haven't made up my mind yet, I don't think editing out inflammatory comments from the sister of a person that was just shot to death necessary a big deal or even a bad thing.

I mean for example the press knew about JFK fucking around but kept it to themselves because they didn't find it newsworthy and they was doing, what was in their minds, the decent thing. To me this is a similar case.

This is possible. However there is a huge difference between not reporting about an event and reporting only part of an event. Not focusing on presidential adultery simply doesn't focus on a part of reality. If the CNN crew edited out parts of a comment then no matter their good intentions they create a manipulated narrative, which is unethical journalism even if your intentions are good.

Choosing not to report isn't the same thing as choosing to show only parts of a speech to make it sound like it said something it didn't say. One is deeming something newsworthy or not, which is fine, the other is selective editing, which really isn't.

[jet_lagg]

Christ. If I ever quotemine you in the future to the extent of leaving off immediately preceding or following qualifying statements that make it clear you meant the opposite of what I'm claiming you meant, I'm just going to say I was reporting on the part that was newsworthy. You'll have only yourself to blame.

[Kirbmarc]

This isn't remotely similar to them deciding what parts of a story are or are not newsworthy. This is them editing out parts of a single, very short statement so that they can report on it as a call for peace when it was precisely the opposite.

I disagree. It seems it is exactly deciding that part of her statement was newsworthy and the other part wasn't.


Like I said to Rudy MacRudeRude, I see this as they wanting to give this woman a break. She is dealing with the death of her brother and being a the center of a national shit storm. In the grand scheme whether she actually thinks that people should be burning down suburbs matters absolutely zero

If they wanted to give her a break they could have simply not shown her speech at all. Selective editing is pretty bad journalism even if done with good intentions.

[Billie from Ockham]

I'm glad you read the sagas!

Saga is that autistic chick in The Bridge, yes? If so, then I can't read her any better than anyone else on The Spectrum (tm), but I try as often as possible. But getting back to that Ragnar guy ... now, he had the hottest wife since that little faggot Paris from western Turkey.

[free thoughtpolice]

I doubt you've been paying attention. This isn't the first time a video or soundclip has been edited. When it came to Zimmerman, they wanted to put inflammatory comments in his mouth. When it comes to this young lady (who by the way is hardly boohoohooing and its not five minutes after she learned of his death) they clearly don't want her to be seen as calling for violence.

Do you really believe they'd 'protect' you if your favorite niece was killed by a cop, rural whites started rioting, and you said, "Take it out of THIS community, and to the inner cities. They are warzones anyway, and we need our fishing supplies store". That you compare calling for violence and hatred to covering up for some horndog of a politician fucking around (and by the way, short of bribery, about the only other thing US politicians are ever punished for is 'sex scandals' ) is rather astounding.

That is the second time you have insulted me for no reason. I am not discussing this further with you because you want a fight and I am uninterested in trying to win the internet today.

Haha- pussy! Clarence showed you and you chickened out. :P
And by the way, you are wrong.

[comhcinc]

Oh btw guys. I went back to re-read the story I had this morning(early morning getting up with the kids and half asleep. Here it is with an embedded video. You can read what I read here, you know not from some Russina state site. http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kri ... 5p.twitter

Hey look there is an editor's note!

So was it unintentional or was it an evil plot by the jew lead liberal media to make sure Trump doesn't get elected?

https://watchingthedeniers.files.wordpr ... riend1.jpg

[Tribble]

"The Red Pill" opens in October, in NYC then LA.

Tickets for the NYC showings go on sale August 26th.

http://www.theredpillmovie.com/see.html

Seems like one of those movies that will be carefully crafted to give nobody any reason to change their position at all, one way or the other. No MRA going in will not come out an MRA. No feminist going in....well, no feminist will go in.

Seeing other interviews with the author makes confirms my suspicions.

Maybe not:

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And to help you along... http://www.mustangranchbrothel.com/home ... 4fd7d1f5d3

[Clarence]

Oh btw guys. I went back to re-read the story I had this morning(early morning getting up with the kids and half asleep. Here it is with an embedded video. You can read what I read here, you know not from some Russina state site. http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kri ... 5p.twitter

Hey look there is an editor's note!

So was it unintentional or was it an evil plot by the jew lead liberal media to make sure Trump doesn't get elected?

https://watchingthedeniers.files.wordpr ... riend1.jpg

I may have questioned your moral compass but not your sanity.
And far as I know, no one around here, not even Steers, is fond of Illuminati or Jewish conspiracies.
That being said, I suspect if alternate sources of that video didn't exist, we never would have gotten that retraction.

[Tribble]

Haven't contributed to a textbook, but I know that dogen is right. The publishers make the money. The professors don't get a lot of money. If it makes you feel better, teachers don't assign their own books as much as you'd expect. There's a stigma against it to prevent the kind of self serving situation you might imagine.

If it makes you feel better, it sounds like your eldest is taking some real classes, not women's studies classes. (Though those textbooks are shamefully expensive, too.)

I was able to make out like a bandit by getting older editions of the required text. On average once a semester there would be some material that wasn't included in my edition, but often as not I could find it online. A bit of extra work on your part as a student, the page numbers don't match, which is irritating, and you need to have a yes-I-am-this-cheap-no-I-don't-give-a-fuck attitude when you get noticed in class, but you'll pick up the books for pennies on the dollar.

I looked for used copies, but it seems I'm late on draw. I can't really do too old of an edition because she's already self-conscious about being younger than most of the other kids. I told her to dye her hair red and wear goofy glasses, but she failed to be amused.

I tried used copies early on. Problem was about the third go-around it looked like a lunatic got ahold of it and box of highlighers and went nuts. After my freshman year I always bought new copies. And it worked out well.

[Clarence]

Or is it too much of being a 'conspiracy theorist' to point out that most reporters are left-wing/sjw leaning (I've seen multiple polls and interviews about how they vote), and that most sites /news organizations need clickbait, and this invariably results in lots of "yellow" journalism, sometimes intentional, sometimes not.


:think:

[Kirbmarc]

Oh btw guys. I went back to re-read the story I had this morning(early morning getting up with the kids and half asleep. Here it is with an embedded video. You can read what I read here, you know not from some Russina state site. http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kri ... 5p.twitter

Hey look there is an editor's note!

So was it unintentional or was it an evil plot by the jew lead liberal media to make sure Trump doesn't get elected?

https://watchingthedeniers.files.wordpr ... riend1.jpg

This actually ties in with what I wrote. It was a matter of bad journalism. Not a conspiracy, just an incompetent/unethical move. It's good that they have owned up to it, but it's questionable whether they'd have done it if nobody caught them.

[Kirbmarc]

Or is it too much of being a 'conspiracy theorist' to point out that most reporters are left-wing/sjw leaning (I've seen multiple polls and interviews about how they vote), and that most sites /news organizations need clickbait, and this invariably results in lots of "yellow" journalism, sometimes intentional, sometimes not.


:think:

Bad consequences of biases aren't a conspiracy theory. I'm sure that Fox News or the Daily Mail have the same problem with their own right wing biases. However it's a bit disheartening to see that the CNN, which is widely believe to be an respectable, objective news network, can easily make mistakes or unethical moves that you'd expect from a tabloid.

[CommanderTuvok]

Re: CNN.

There is an increasing desperation from various segments of the media to "whitewash" Black Lives Matters, and to brush calls for violence under the carpet, or to re-characterise them as "protests" or "demonstrations". Try to put any comment critical of BLM on say, Guardian's "Comment is Free" (ironic name, BTW) and it gets "modded".

It is entirely possible to call out police violence and institutional racism, WITHOUT sucking up to a bunch of violent, cultural Marxist SJW-intersectional race-baiters.

The likes of CNN are giving the fringe outfits like Prison Planet and Infowars credibility. Everytime CNN "misreports" to push its agenda (the agenda being that BLM are peaceful, etc.), it gives them ammunition. Just as when far left European governments try to hide statistics on rape. They only make it worse, and give dubious people ammunition.

[Tribble]

Bit of good news:

We've finally managed to serve all the paperwork and book our wedding for September 23 at 14:40. I am now enjoying my last month of freedom...

Of course, any Pitter around is invited (please let us know a couple of days before).

You're getting married. I expect a sudden volcanic eruption in the Med and for Nice and all the sea level cities to be inundated with a tidal wave right when you say 'I do.' Because that's your luck. So I'll just tight-rope walk over a bonfire while juggling kittens, it's probably safer...

[CommanderTuvok]

Oh, the latest Twitter outrage involves Ellen DeGenerous, who tweeted herself on the back of Usain Bolt in that famous meme of him. Apparently it is RACIST. Funny to see so many darlings of the left get gobbled up.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/peopl ... 94551.html

[Tribble]

Christ. If I ever quotemine you in the future to the extent of leaving off immediately preceding or following qualifying statements that make it clear you meant the opposite of what I'm claiming you meant, I'm just going to say I was reporting on the part that was newsworthy. You'll have only yourself to blame.

Exactly.