The Refuge of the Toads

#45601

I don't think he was saying there were no blue tanks. Just that there were no officially blue tanks.

#45602

There must be a surprising number of FtB and Orbit posts these days that get literally no non-author readers.

#45603

Amanda must be on the horns of a dilemma. Support an unemployed sub-par husband or bankroll an insane grifter.

She can only try one.

#45604

Scented - some tips for NMS

Been playing for about 30 hours - so take them as you will.

1. Stay on your starting planet as long as you can, find upgrades for your multi-tool, your suit, and ship.
1a. Concentrate on your multi-tool for mining first, then suit, then ship.
2a. If you go to an outpost or something larger, they sometimes offer for sale a larger slot multi-tool - but talk to the alien first, sometimes they give you one if you answer questions correctly (learn their lingo - it helps out) - you can always back out of convo's to come back, once you pick something - that is it for that alien. I saved 175K credits by talking first.

2. Look for drop pods - they upgrade your suit storage. This is key - need storage to get credits - first one is free, after that - the price increase 10K per slot. :P

3. Recipes can be found everywhere - seek them out. They become very helpful as you progress.

4. Follow the Atlas... :geek:

5. Beware pirates, but if you die, go back to your grave to get your loot - but any progress not saved is lost (so save often).

6. Some fauna comes out only at night, and some only during the day. Sometimes at certain times (sun setting - etc...) - makes it fun to find them. Some flying fauna is too high to scan - shoot them down and scan the corpse. :dance:

7. Dont worry about upgrading your ship till you learn new tech to put in them - you cant transfer between them.

8. If you trade in your multitool or ship - deconstruct the tech - so you can keep the materials. Speaking of materials - always keep Plutonium, Carbon, Titanium with you - you will need it (charge your multitool with carbon - ship with plutonium, Titanium for shields)

9. When placing tech in your tool/ship/suit - put similar ones next to each other for bonuses. You can tell when you do, they will all be highlighted in a certain color. Sometimes - you will have to destroy tech to place them in a better location.

10. Don't rush - explore - the center of the galaxy will still be there.

So far, I have a 24 slot multi-tool, a 31 slot ship (with better shields/controls) and a 30 slot suit. With 2 mil credits in the bank. (spent about 15 mil so far (suit upgrades/ship purchase)

Suit has underwater breathing/toxin protections/heat/cold/extra stamina/health/jumpjet.

Multi-tool has max cooling/mining/weapons - max scan.
Ship is in the process of being battle ready.

Can understand the Vy'keen enough to be an ally to them - and lucked out being on a temperate planet for the start.

I fully explored my starting planet - and was awarded 250K for doing it.

Have fun and if you have any other questions - ask!

#45605

Brive1987 wrote:Amanda must be on the horns of a dilemma. Support an unemployed sub-par husband or bankroll an insane grifter.

She can only try one.

Traditionally there are three options when playing - Fuck, Marry, Kill

#45606

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Just because you're on a diet doesn't mean you can't check the menu...

Right, Phil. Right...

#45607

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
NoGodsEver wrote:Jenneke ain't exactly a 'butterface', but I don't think most dudes, if shown a still picture of just her face, would call her beautiful.
Damned cute will do just fine.

Michelle-Jenneke-4.jpg

michelle-jenneke-1.png

052606-michelle-jenneke.jpg

The other thing is that if, in the unlikely event that you ended up on her hedgehog in a bout of drunken monkey sex, I doubt she'll be chasing you with cries of "Rape! Rape1" years down the road...

#45608

feathers wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:I don't find Jenneke physically attractive (personal tastes), but I have great admiration for her spirits.
Good, 'cause you'll be a married man soon and that's the end of all the gazing around!
or so I've been told

Excellent! The training is already working.

Don't actually watch this video, even if you can. You've been warned:

[youtube][/youtube]

#45609

CommanderTuvok wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:This "beware of feminist men" list is great. :lol:
More evidence that feminist women have developed hatred toward all men because of their exposures to feminist men. Who'd a thunk that feminist men are just as big of self centered assholes as feminist women?
http://everydayfeminism.com/2016/08/rea ... inist-men/
I loved this line from the article: "Beware men who learn words like gaslighting so that they can accuse you of it when you disagree with them."

How surprising that me, and I suspect most of the Pit, first became aware of this by "feminist men" using it at FreeThoughtBlogs.

The one thing the article fails to mention, however, is that so many of these "feminist men" are into paedophilia, or as they call it, "edgelording".

Actually, when I first heard the term gaslighting and learned what it meant, my first thought was that sounds very similar to stereotypical female behavior in relationships.

#45610

Steersman wrote:
AndrewV69 wrote: Once again I reflect that Jenneke by any objective standard is not beautiful at all....
Not sure that there really is any such "objective standard" for beauty - eye of the beholder and all that.

Maybe if someone would stop to define this Objective Standard of Beauty (OSB), this argument might have a point.

But then, of course, Vickie would chime in to note how OSB was never implemented to the letter by units in the field.

But I would tend to agree with you as far as your conclusion about Jenneke herself is concerned - remarkable "spring-loaded" physique, and reasonably attractive, but not sure that she would qualify as "classically" beautiful.

'Spring-loaded'? You mean this?

michelle-jenneke-blocks.png: (1.01 MiB) Downloaded 207 times

#45611

Matt Cavanaugh wrote: Excellent! The training is already working.

Don't actually watch this video, even if you can. You've been warned:

[youtube][/youtube]

I'm british, this is what all country music sounds like to me.

#45612

Anyhoo, It's Monday. Care for some Classic Objective Beauty, anyone?

classic_beauty.jpg: (223.52 KiB) Downloaded 222 times

#45613

Steersman wrote:Hat-trick and then some: "Woot! All your bases belong to me!" :-)

How can you get that quote/meme wrong?

(Don't answer. It was rhetorical.)

#45614

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:Anyhoo, It's Monday. Care for some Classic Objective Beauty, anyone?

classic_beauty.jpg

HUBBA HUBBA

[youtube][/youtube]

#45615

piginthecity wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:Speaking of hate crimes; in Edmonton Canada an incident occurred where some people in a car were frustrated by being held up by a cyclist so yelled at him to get off the road and called him a nigger (he was actually a muslim). Blogs have been written and there have been demands that the people in the car be charged with a hate crime.
No sympathy with the individual(s) who did the shouting. Saying he or she was 'frustrated at being held up' is a pathetic weaselly excuse for what he did and I hope they get the book thrown at him within the limits of reasonable application of the law and due process of course. He is a shit.

I agree and I hope that the person who yelled "nigger" suffers the entirety of the appropriate legal penalty for doing that ... which is absolutely nothing.

#45616

feathers wrote:I like how the new Youtube embed shows up full-width rather than microscopic. Also, if you have Flash Control installed, it does finally show the still with the title (rather than a black box you have to click first to get to the title).

My only (minor) complaint is that, if you have the page zoomed in, a portion of the video on the right side disappears, along with some of the controls. But, all I need to do is zoom out two clicks, so it's not a big deal and I like have it larger than before.

#45617

BLM in the UK have new ammunition!
"Aston Villa legend Dalian Atkinson" tasered to death by police.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... lford.html

#45618

Matt Cavanaugh wrote: Don't actually watch this video, even if you can. You've been warned:

[youtube][/youtube]

Bastard! I wish we still had the black boxes rather than that....

#45619

Matt Cavanaugh wrote: Don't actually watch this video, even if you can. You've been warned:

[youtube][/youtube]

Rebecca Black's mom?

#45620

Brive1987 wrote:There must be a surprising number of FtB and Orbit posts these days that get literally no non-author readers.

A bit like poetry them.

#45621

Shatterface wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:There must be a surprising number of FtB and Orbit posts these days that get literally no non-author readers.
A bit like poetry them.

There once was a guy on the 'net
who libeled great poets I'd met
he said "what is their use?"
I asked "why the abuse?"
...
and then I went back to looking an animated gifs of Australian hurdlers.

#45622

piginthecity wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:Speaking of hate crimes; in Edmonton Canada an incident occurred where some people in a car were frustrated by being held up by a cyclist so yelled at him to get off the road and called him a nigger (he was actually a muslim). Blogs have been written and there have been demands that the people in the car be charged with a hate crime.
No sympathy with the individual(s) who did the shouting. Saying he or she was 'frustrated at being held up' is a pathetic weaselly excuse for what he did and I hope they get the book thrown at him within the limits of reasonable application of the law and due process of course. He is a shit.

Those in the car who did not shout are not guilty and should resist his attempt to try to generalise the guilt. The feeling of frustration at being held up may well have been shared. The shouting was done by an individual.

If you think that reasonable application of the law obliges us to accept 'frustration' as being a valid excuse for this, you're an idiot.

You want him hunted down and charged with a hate crime? :shock:

#45623

I bet you thought I was joking when I was posting that Trump had been compromised by the KGB.
https://www.rickey.org/ivanka-trump-is- ... to/297145/

#45624

VickyCaramel wrote:...and before you know it, calling somebody a "fat fuck" is a hate crime. Then it will be calling somebody a "retard" will be a hate crime".
Before you know it calling somebody a "shit" will get you landed in the gulag.

Sticks and stones will break my bones, words will never hurt me.

Never fear, the London Met are setting up a five person team to investigate online 'hate crimes.'

We can all rest easy now that we know society's greatest scourge is finally being tackled.

Just what we need more of, more police intrusion into public discourse and more nebulously defined crimes open to abuse by snowflakes and mendacious ideologues of the kind who went after Gregory Elliott.

#45625

free thoughtpolice wrote:I bet you thought I was joking when I was posting that Trump had been compromised by the KGB.
https://www.rickey.org/ivanka-trump-is- ... to/297145/

It would be pretty awesome if immigration refused to let her back in based on her previous visa irregularities. That would be an interesting conundrum for the Trump campaign to spin.

#45626

I think you mixed Ivanka up with Melania. That's how far the infiltration has gone. :o

#45627

Skeptic_Duh wrote:Scented - some tips for NMS

Been playing for about 30 hours - so take them as you will.

1. Stay on your starting planet as long as you can, find upgrades for your multi-tool, your suit, and ship.
1a. Concentrate on your multi-tool for mining first, then suit, then ship.
2a. If you go to an outpost or something larger, they sometimes offer for sale a larger slot multi-tool - but talk to the alien first, sometimes they give you one if you answer questions correctly (learn their lingo - it helps out) - you can always back out of convo's to come back, once you pick something - that is it for that alien. I saved 175K credits by talking first.

2. Look for drop pods - they upgrade your suit storage. This is key - need storage to get credits - first one is free, after that - the price increase 10K per slot. :P

3. Recipes can be found everywhere - seek them out. They become very helpful as you progress.

4. Follow the Atlas... :geek:

5. Beware pirates, but if you die, go back to your grave to get your loot - but any progress not saved is lost (so save often).

6. Some fauna comes out only at night, and some only during the day. Sometimes at certain times (sun setting - etc...) - makes it fun to find them. Some flying fauna is too high to scan - shoot them down and scan the corpse. :dance:

7. Dont worry about upgrading your ship till you learn new tech to put in them - you cant transfer between them.

8. If you trade in your multitool or ship - deconstruct the tech - so you can keep the materials. Speaking of materials - always keep Plutonium, Carbon, Titanium with you - you will need it (charge your multitool with carbon - ship with plutonium, Titanium for shields)

9. When placing tech in your tool/ship/suit - put similar ones next to each other for bonuses. You can tell when you do, they will all be highlighted in a certain color. Sometimes - you will have to destroy tech to place them in a better location.

10. Don't rush - explore - the center of the galaxy will still be there.

So far, I have a 24 slot multi-tool, a 31 slot ship (with better shields/controls) and a 30 slot suit. With 2 mil credits in the bank. (spent about 15 mil so far (suit upgrades/ship purchase)

Suit has underwater breathing/toxin protections/heat/cold/extra stamina/health/jumpjet.

Multi-tool has max cooling/mining/weapons - max scan.
Ship is in the process of being battle ready.

Can understand the Vy'keen enough to be an ally to them - and lucked out being on a temperate planet for the start.

I fully explored my starting planet - and was awarded 250K for doing it.

Have fun and if you have any other questions - ask!

11. Manufacturing Bypass Chips and then selling them is an incredibly efficient way to raise cash. So is collecting Vortex Cubes (some planets have em lying around; but the sentinels don't take kindly to them being harvested, so come loaded for bear)

12. When following a path through the galaxy, it's often possible to travel multiple segments of the path with a single hyperspace jump. Especially if you have a warp engine upgrade. So, follow the path until you reach a system which has 'out of range' (or something) written at the bottom of its description; then, backtrack to the previous system and jump to there.

#45628

Remember this? It's been a year.

http://imgur.com/xhdTn88.jpg

People lined up with their bona fides, then... nothing.

At least, nothing that I can see. Maybe Ashley moved the universe 3 feet to the left and who would know?

#45629

Brive1987 wrote:Amanda must be on the horns of a dilemma. Support an unemployed sub-par husband or bankroll an insane grifter.

She can only try one.

I thought she'd be fine unless their balls touched?

#45630

After a couple of weeks of meager gains, FtB falls to new lows.

Lately, their US descent has outpaced their international ranking. Usually it's the other way around. Americans are getting hip to the nasty old fraud who owns the place.

http://imgur.com/9X8ifY3.jpg

#45631

free thoughtpolice wrote:
piginthecity wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:Speaking of hate crimes; in Edmonton Canada an incident occurred where some people in a car were frustrated by being held up by a cyclist so yelled at him to get off the road and called him a nigger (he was actually a muslim). Blogs have been written and there have been demands that the people in the car be charged with a hate crime.
No sympathy with the individual(s) who did the shouting. Saying he or she was 'frustrated at being held up' is a pathetic weaselly excuse for what he did and I hope they get the book thrown at him within the limits of reasonable application of the law and due process of course. He is a shit.

Those in the car who did not shout are not guilty and should resist his attempt to try to generalise the guilt. The feeling of frustration at being held up may well have been shared. The shouting was done by an individual.

If you think that reasonable application of the law obliges us to accept 'frustration' as being a valid excuse for this, you're an idiot.
You want him hunted down and charged with a hate crime? :shock:

Nope. I meant what I said.

#45632

Ape+lust wrote:Remember this? It's been a year.

http://imgur.com/xhdTn88.jpg

People lined up with their bona fides, then... nothing.

At least, nothing that I can see. Maybe Ashley moved the universe 3 feet to the left and who would know?

I don't get what she means by 'the best thing since the 4 horsemen' when they have a raging hate-on for Dawkins, Harris and Hitchens.

It's like us saying something is the greatest thing in atheism since Myers wanked on a cracker.

#45633

I googled 'wank on a cracker' for an illustration to make my point stronger but the nearest I could find was a video entitled 'The last one to finish eats the muffin'.

NSFW

#45634

pig in the city wrote:

Nope. I meant what I said.

What law did he break? In Canada, it's not against the law to be an asshole.

#45635

Billie from Ockham wrote:
Shatterface wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:There must be a surprising number of FtB and Orbit posts these days that get literally no non-author readers.
A bit like poetry them.
There once was a guy on the 'net
who libeled great poets I'd met
he said "what is their use?"
I asked "why the abuse?"
...
and then I went back to looking an animated gifs of Australian hurdlers.

Sir:
One could spend ALL DAY looking at animated gifs of ONE PARTICULAR Australian hurdler, and one would be making the maximum and best possible use of ones time :) :dance: :clap: :whistle:

#45636

Shatterface wrote:
Ape+lust wrote:Remember this? It's been a year.

http://imgur.com/xhdTn88.jpg

People lined up with their bona fides, then... nothing.

At least, nothing that I can see. Maybe Ashley moved the universe 3 feet to the left and who would know?

I don't get what she means by 'the best thing since the 4 horsemen' when they have a raging hate-on for Dawkins, Harris and Hitchens.

It's like us saying something is the greatest thing in atheism since Myers wanked on a cracker.

*snerk*

That's true. :lol:

Maybe that's why her project died, it was only a little better than the 4 Horsemen. Which in Baboonland, means it was as good as a dumpster full of cat shit.

#45637

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Steersman wrote:
AndrewV69 wrote: Once again I reflect that Jenneke by any objective standard is not beautiful at all....
Not sure that there really is any such "objective standard" for beauty - eye of the beholder and all that.
Maybe if someone would stop to define this Objective Standard of Beauty (OSB), this argument might have a point.

But then, of course, Vickie would chime in to note how OSB was never implemented to the letter by units in the field.

But I would tend to agree with you as far as your conclusion about Jenneke herself is concerned - remarkable "spring-loaded" physique, and reasonably attractive, but not sure that she would qualify as "classically" beautiful.
'Spring-loaded'? You mean this?

michelle-jenneke-blocks.png

Go to Citizen Heartiste:

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2008/10 ... ysterious/
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/11 ... of-beauty/

He's got you covered for all the objective standards of beauty studies you could possibly want.
Oh, and all the racism , too.

But seriously, there's enough out there that convinces me that some of the beauty standards are indeed innate. Not all, and there are outliers. But if you took 100 thousand men divided from the top 100 countries (population wise) in the world and asked them to rate women on physical attractiveness 1 to 10, at the extremes there would be almost universal agreement.

I think its safe to say the majority of men (maybe lesbians too , but I know nothing about what attracts them to women) would find MJ to be somewhere in the 6 to 9 range in terms of attractiveness , with most of the scores being 7 or 8.

#45638

http://archive.is/cxfZw

#45639

free thoughtpolice wrote:pig in the city wrote:
Nope. I meant what I said.
What law did he break? In Canada, it's not against the law to be an asshole.

In which case we don't need to hear the pathetic excuse of 'frustration' for him acting as he did. And he's still a shit.

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#45640

pig: Describing someone as frustrated doesn't excuse bad actions they may have done. Are you implying that because I didn't think they should be arrested for a hate crime I was approving of their actions?

#45641

Ape+lust wrote:Remember this? It's been a year.

http://imgur.com/xhdTn88.jpg

People lined up with their bona fides, then... nothing.

At least, nothing that I can see. Maybe Ashley moved the universe 3 feet to the left and who would know?

I bet they couldn't get on with it because someone called them names online.

Also, how on earth can you call something like this 'awesome' and 'exciting' if you haven't the faintest clue what it is?
"I have a cunning plan!"
"Sounds awesome milord"

#45642

At free-from-thought blogs and the orbit
libidos are highly distorted
their organs and viscera
glorious plethora:
genders not even recorded

#45643

The Proposition Blues Band in action!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/X1UaK ... 57-h643-no

#45644

And another one!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/k96S0 ... 57-h643-no

That old geezer at the front was not the entire audience.

#45645

Wow! Trump just finished a tough speech!
He's gonna give muslim ass some kickin' and Putin ass some lickin'. :dance: :clap:

#45646

piginthecity wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:pig in the city wrote:
Nope. I meant what I said.
What law did he break? In Canada, it's not against the law to be an asshole.
In which case we don't need to hear the pathetic excuse of 'frustration' for him acting as he did. And he's still a shit.

Yeah I have a poor white trash friend who grew up in majority-black areas and developed shit talk, I'm sure pig could like probably every one of his classmates found guilty, so round up those white boys what ain't allowed to use THAT word, amirite?

#45647

free thoughtpolice wrote:Wow! Trump just finished a tough speech!
He's gonna give muslim ass some kickin' and Putin ass some lickin'. :dance: :clap:

Excellent. What could possibly go wrong? All of Trump's relationships are so steady, his friendships so enduring.

In a totally unrelated question, fallout shelters; build your own or by ready-made?

#45648

paddybrown wrote:The Proposition Blues Band in action!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/X1UaK ... 57-h643-no

Something's wrong with the volume, and it sure is a long video. How long do your sets last?

#45649

Ah, like any goof blues band, we can spin out a twelve-bar almost indefinitely.

#45650

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
paddybrown wrote:The Proposition Blues Band in action!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/X1UaK ... 57-h643-no
Something's wrong with the volume, and it sure is a long video. How long do your sets last?

Fascist Tit! What is wrong with the audio on this clip? I am having the same problem.

#45651

I posted one with audio a couple of pages back, but just in case you weren't paying attention:

[youtube][/youtube]

#45652

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:Wow! Trump just finished a tough speech!
He's gonna give muslim ass some kickin' and Putin ass some lickin'. :dance: :clap:
Excellent. What could possibly go wrong? All of Trump's relationships are so steady, his friendships so enduring.

In a totally unrelated question, fallout shelters; build your own or by ready-made?

He's going to shut down the internet in parts of the world so ISIS can't do anymore recruiting , then go into mUZZie countries and take their oil to pay for the military.
Who says he doesn't have a workable plan? :drool:

#45653

fuzzy wrote:
piginthecity wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:pig in the city wrote: What law did he break? In Canada, it's not against the law to be an asshole.
In which case we don't need to hear the pathetic excuse of 'frustration' for him acting as he did. And he's still a shit.
Yeah I have a poor white trash friend who grew up in majority-black areas and developed shit talk, I'm sure pig could like probably every one of his classmates found guilty, so round up those white boys what ain't allowed to use THAT word, amirite?

Nope. My comments were about shouting at people out of cars. Not using words. Public aggression not vocabulary. Creating racial conflict for no reason. Not this or that word.

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#45654

Having read this article I am not surprised that people in the US don't trust thejustice system.

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/a ... gs/495740/

The position explained here is not just ridiculous it amounts to extortion. I do not understand why he can't sue the Justice Dept for his belongings plus compensation. The more one hears about these things the more one is surprised that there aren't more protests, Kafakaesque is only part of how I would describe this.

#45655

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:Wow! Trump just finished a tough speech!
He's gonna give muslim ass some kickin' and Putin ass some lickin'. :dance: :clap:
Excellent. What could possibly go wrong? All of Trump's relationships are so steady, his friendships so enduring.

In a totally unrelated question, fallout shelters; build your own or by ready-made?

Last I heard all the Neocons are over with Hillary, now.
They are the ones who think Putin is the next Hitler.

Somehow I simply can't get from "kick Muslim ass" to " fallout shelters".

Oh, I see. You think someone with a known history of war-mongering (Hillary) is safer than someone you view as short-tempered.

I think you better build that fallout shelter regardless.

#45656

fuzzy wrote:
piginthecity wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:pig in the city wrote:

What law did he break? In Canada, it's not against the law to be an asshole.
In which case we don't need to hear the pathetic excuse of 'frustration' for him acting as he did. And he's still a shit.
Yeah I have a poor white trash friend who grew up in majority-black areas and developed shit talk, I'm sure pig could like probably every one of his classmates found guilty, so round up those white boys what ain't allowed to use THAT word, amirite?

Like this guy?
[youtube][/youtube]
Son of an Anglican Bishop... Keepin in real in da hood baby!

#45657

pig: Describing someone as frustrated doesn't excuse bad actions they may have done. Are you implying that because I didn't think they should be arrested for a hate crime I was approving of their actions?
(repeat)

#45658

I must be getting old.

I'm 1 hour 42 into Batman Vs Superman, and I dig the movie. Might be the other DC movie I like beside Watchmen.

#45659

Malky wrote:Having read this article I am not surprised that people in the US don't trust thejustice system.

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/a ... gs/495740/

The position explained here is not just ridiculous it amounts to extortion. I do not understand why he can't sue the Justice Dept for his belongings plus compensation. The more one hears about these things the more one is surprised that there aren't more protests, Kafakaesque is only part of how I would describe this.

Ok: It's not the same in every state and city. In some areas its much easier to get your shizzat back then in others.
And obviously people who know people, people who know the law, and people who have money have an easier time navigating what systems exist in each city, county, and state.

But this is one of the worst 'processes' I have ever heard about.
I know all about people having trouble with 'civil assett forfeiture': there's been lots of articles about it, John Oliver did a whole program on it, and I know in some areas there was either no problem to begin with, or there has been some reform. But not in all areas.
But this New York City process is an extra layer of bureaucracy and formality required to get the stuff seized back.
And because the entire process is hard and opaque from beginning to end, I don't the NY city process is an 'organic' growth. I think it was deliberately done this way for one or more of several reasons:
A. Doesn't matter if you aren't convicted criminally, or we didn't even charge your property under the Civil System. You still aren't getting it back. We need it (is New Yorks Police/Justice system really strapped for cash) more than you do, so here's a million hoops to try and make you go away
or ...

B. The process was setup to create as many layers (and hence jobs, probably patronage) as possible.

or...
C. The more layers, the more people you need to bribe. Is your $200 cell phone worth $2000 dollars in bribes?

And this : "If someone is able to jump through all the hoops and obtain a district attorney’s release, there’s one final hurdle: The NYPD property clerk, which actually holds on to the items, requires two forms of ID before releasing any property. Drumming up two forms of ID can be difficult on its own, but it’s made harder still if the person’s wallet, which may contain a driver’s license, is in police custody. (The property clerk won’t count a seized license as a valid form of ID.) When that’s the case, the person has to notarize an authorization for someone else to pick up the items on their behalf." - makes me want to actually bash someone's head in.

#45660

Oh and pig, were you implying that I'm an idiot when you said this?

If you think that reasonable application of the law obliges us to accept 'frustration' as being a valid excuse for this, you're an idiot.

btw, I don't think being frustrated is an excuse to break the law, nor did I say that.
Do you think it should be against the law to call someone an idiot? I mean it's not being racist but it does sound kind of ableist.