People always think that I'm trying to be nice.Brive1987 wrote:Well bugger me. I engage Jim and he fucks off. And he's meant to be the nice one.
Nobody understands me. :cry:

People always think that I'm trying to be nice.Brive1987 wrote:Well bugger me. I engage Jim and he fucks off. And he's meant to be the nice one.
I don't like the idea of drawing a line on what you can say on the pit - at the same time I think the larger context of the "joke" or ironic comment is hard to see.Brive1987 wrote:Come stand with me. It will be fun. There will be ice cream.rayshul wrote:I have no idea where I stand on this argument.
Surprised the dude is still alive, he was archbishop or whatever when I was in bloody high school.Brive1987 wrote:George Pell up for child abuse. No word on whether he also blogged.

I've seen Tarzan, or "The Legend of Tarzan" to give its full name, and PZ is right - it is shit. But not really for the reasons he gives. It is just shite in a Hollywood way. One scene in particular, the standard Tarzan swinging through the trees on "ropes" (or whatever those long fucking tree ropes are) was insane. It was as thought he grabbed hold a magical, infinite rope to "swing" half a mile on to a moving fucking train.Brive1987 wrote:PZ went to the movies. And guess what. He found the movie terrible. Quelle surprise.
This time Tarzan is the target.
Why? Well when he was a kid PZ read the originals and then became enlightened and realised he had been tricked by racist rants.
Fair enough. Problem is he accepts none of this is in the movie. In fact Tarzan goes to bat for the darkies against the colonial oppressors.I could find them entertaining as an oblivious white kid, but once you grow up, you have to wake up to the context. And the context is intolerable.
Problem is he is still white.
This man is not going to be happy till he eyeballs Princess Diana of Themyscira's panties.The new movie struggles to overcome the racist subtext of the story, but fails. It’s implicit. In this case, the writers have made some heroic black characters, and rather than robbing and tormenting the black tribes, White Skin has now arrived to save them from colonial marauders.
I shouldn’t have to spell out the problem with that.
http://web.archive.org/web/201607270857 ... es-please/
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I see archive.is is now archive.today, the terrorists have won.

I'm amazed he isn't associated with FreeThoughtBlogs.Brive1987 wrote:George Pell up for child abuse. No word on whether he also blogged.

Not the same school, I hope?rayshul wrote:Surprised the dude is still alive, he was archbishop or whatever when I was in bloody high school.Brive1987 wrote:George Pell up for child abuse. No word on whether he also blogged.


It's all Hollywood bullshit anyway. Hollywood doesn't actually care about anything; it's just what happens to be popular at the time. I just watched a ridiculous slasher film on Netflix called "Hush" which had an obligatory conversation between two women to satisfy the Bechdel test, right before one of them was minced by the killer white dude. Hollywood doesn't really give a shit about anything. In five years movies with killa niggas will be back, just like in the 70's. They'll probably be calling women "dames". Who knows.Shatterface wrote:So Peezus has discovered that the new Tarzan movie is about... Tarzan? And he didn't know what the story is about?
Whi didn't he just go see Ghostbusters again?
The only thing I know about soundproofing is to staple a bunch of old egg cartons to your wall.paddybrown wrote:Okay. One of my periodic appeals for advice.
As I've mentioned before, I've had problems with disturbing my neighbours practising my guitar. (Their landlord actually approached me a while later - I think reading between the lines he was looking for an excuse to kick them out - and told me the council had been out and taken readings after their second complaint and found nothing to be concerned about.)
But those particular neighbours won't be a problem for much longer. I've had an offer accepted on another house. It's a bit bigger and in a nicer area, but it's still a terrace so I'll still need to be careful about keeping the noise down.
Anybody know anything about soundproofing? Everything I find online is either about keeping external noise out of a recording studio, or building the kind of facility an entire band could practice in, neither of which is what I'm after. just want a bit of noise dampening to spare the neighbours. Would a bookcase full of books along the party wall have any useful effect, or perhaps with a bit of acoustic foam behind it?

Yep, that's the cheapest and easiest solution. Acoustic foam is expensive.Hunt wrote:The only thing I know about soundproofing is to staple a bunch of old egg cartons to your wall.paddybrown wrote:Okay. One of my periodic appeals for advice.
As I've mentioned before, I've had problems with disturbing my neighbours practising my guitar. (Their landlord actually approached me a while later - I think reading between the lines he was looking for an excuse to kick them out - and told me the council had been out and taken readings after their second complaint and found nothing to be concerned about.)
But those particular neighbours won't be a problem for much longer. I've had an offer accepted on another house. It's a bit bigger and in a nicer area, but it's still a terrace so I'll still need to be careful about keeping the noise down.
Anybody know anything about soundproofing? Everything I find online is either about keeping external noise out of a recording studio, or building the kind of facility an entire band could practice in, neither of which is what I'm after. just want a bit of noise dampening to spare the neighbours. Would a bookcase full of books along the party wall have any useful effect, or perhaps with a bit of acoustic foam behind it?
Buck, buck, buggaaaaaa!
There was no joke or irony in my info pic thing. It was simple exposure of objective shitty-ness. ... If that's what you were talking about.rayshul wrote: at the same time I think the larger context of the "joke" or ironic comment is hard to see.

Has PZ seen the Ghostbusters film? I've missed his reaction. Don't tell me he suddenly developed a one-off liking for a generic Hollywood cartoonesque comedy-action film?Shatterface wrote:So Peezus has discovered that the new Tarzan movie is about... Tarzan? And he didn't know what the story is about?
Whi didn't he just go see Ghostbusters again?
Meh. While Ive seen several news sources call it a "report" what it actually is, is an article by their Chief Economist, almost more of an op-ed. IOW, unlike a credit rating, it carries no official weight. It also doesnt seem to cover anything new, I think most legal and economic observers have thought that the EU is currently unsustainable long term, that it either needs to move further towards an actual federation or slide back to a mere economic union. And it has been, so far, slowly moving toward a greater joint sovereignty. If you want to read the actual article, rather than cherry picked quotes, it is hereSunder wrote:I'd say it's a good counter to the Bremainers who hold up the threat of a British currency downgrade by credit agencies as iron-clad proof that Brexit was a mistake.Dave wrote:What is your point?Steersman wrote:In other news:
They only have 1 adult movie a time in cowpoke. Note their now showing and coming attractions are the same. Not a good sign.CommanderTuvok wrote:Has PZ seen the Ghostbusters film? I've missed his reaction. Don't tell me he suddenly developed a one-off liking for a generic Hollywood cartoonesque comedy-action film?Shatterface wrote:So Peezus has discovered that the new Tarzan movie is about... Tarzan? And he didn't know what the story is about?
Whi didn't he just go see Ghostbusters again?
There are so many film reviewers who gave the Ghostbusters film a decent review (like Peter Bradshaw in the Guardian) who usually hate the fuck out of these types of bland Hollywood reboots. I simply don't believe they are being honest. Just as the "1/10" people are not being honest. You expect, or perhaps demand, professional film reviewers to be honest, however.
Anyway, it looks like GB is struggling a bit at the box office. Nobody wants to admit it yet, though. It has slipped badly on its 2nd week at the US box office.
Wouldn't cheap egg-crate style foam mattresses work just as well?Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Yep, that's the cheapest and easiest solution. Acoustic foam is expensive.

All I can think of is styrofoam wallpaper sheets, I think they're aimed at mildew minimisation but they may have some small damping effect on sound. May because I honestly haven't a clue.paddybrown wrote:Okay. One of my periodic appeals for advice.
As I've mentioned before, I've had problems with disturbing my neighbours practising my guitar. (Their landlord actually approached me a while later - I think reading between the lines he was looking for an excuse to kick them out - and told me the council had been out and taken readings after their second complaint and found nothing to be concerned about.)
But those particular neighbours won't be a problem for much longer. I've had an offer accepted on another house. It's a bit bigger and in a nicer area, but it's still a terrace so I'll still need to be careful about keeping the noise down.
Anybody know anything about soundproofing? Everything I find online is either about keeping external noise out of a recording studio, or building the kind of facility an entire band could practice in, neither of which is what I'm after. just want a bit of noise dampening to spare the neighbours. Would a bookcase full of books along the party wall have any useful effect, or perhaps with a bit of acoustic foam behind it?
$1.25/sqft doesnt seem that expensive. Wouldnt think he needs more than an inch.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Yep, that's the cheapest and easiest solution. Acoustic foam is expensive.Hunt wrote:The only thing I know about soundproofing is to staple a bunch of old egg cartons to your wall.paddybrown wrote:Okay. One of my periodic appeals for advice.
As I've mentioned before, I've had problems with disturbing my neighbours practising my guitar. (Their landlord actually approached me a while later - I think reading between the lines he was looking for an excuse to kick them out - and told me the council had been out and taken readings after their second complaint and found nothing to be concerned about.)
But those particular neighbours won't be a problem for much longer. I've had an offer accepted on another house. It's a bit bigger and in a nicer area, but it's still a terrace so I'll still need to be careful about keeping the noise down.
Anybody know anything about soundproofing? Everything I find online is either about keeping external noise out of a recording studio, or building the kind of facility an entire band could practice in, neither of which is what I'm after. just want a bit of noise dampening to spare the neighbours. Would a bookcase full of books along the party wall have any useful effect, or perhaps with a bit of acoustic foam behind it?
Buck, buck, buggaaaaaa!
Be careful that whatever you do you have the landlord's permission as otherwise your lease is at risk. Also with styrofoam there is a increased fire risk.various snips
All I can think of is styrofoam wallpaper sheets, I think they're aimed at mildew minimisation but they may have some small damping effect on sound.
And where will the pin hit the map next?jimhabegger wrote:Oh! LOL! Ma'anshan Park in Liuzhou!Brive1987 wrote:That's nice. So which one wins. Liuzhou Park or Ma'anshan?jimhabegger wrote:My wife and I had a lot of fun in Liuzhou, but it's nice to be home again.
We only visited Queshan Park and Longtan Park.
Liuzhou didn't seem as modern and glamorous as we hoped, but it has the essentials: Starbucks, Pizza Hut, McDonald's, KFC, Uniqlo and H&M. Guilin doesn't have Uniqlo and H&M yet.
When Ghostbusters was announced, Peez put up a "grrrr, dudebros" post:CommanderTuvok wrote:Has PZ seen the Ghostbusters film? I've missed his reaction. Don't tell me he suddenly developed a one-off liking for a generic Hollywood cartoonesque comedy-action film?Shatterface wrote:So Peezus has discovered that the new Tarzan movie is about... Tarzan? And he didn't know what the story is about?
Whi didn't he just go see Ghostbusters again?
There are so many film reviewers who gave the Ghostbusters film a decent review (like Peter Bradshaw in the Guardian) who usually hate the fuck out of these types of bland Hollywood reboots. I simply don't believe they are being honest. Just as the "1/10" people are not being honest. You expect, or perhaps demand, professional film reviewers to be honest, however.
Anyway, it looks like GB is struggling a bit at the box office. Nobody wants to admit it yet, though. It has slipped badly on its 2nd week at the US box office.
I think that's the majority of them.Gumby wrote:
Carrier, imo, is not remotely an SJW. He's a guy who attached himself to a community where he thought he would prosper, financially and sexually.

I believe your final line is in general rather than specifically directed, however, I will still clarify that I would not dream of requesting such nor should it ever be proffered.Brive1987 wrote:A lot of what goes on with FtB is shit and giggles. They really are clowns and this illicits trolling, shoops and point and laugh responses like the Shefield publishing fiasco. Then there's their efforts to fuck up A/S because it won't conform to their ideological one-think. This requires push back a la DJ, Nugent, timelines and factual expose.
Ok. There is the broader SJW desire to terraform western society to achieve their bleak Orwellian vision. To fight this we need a broad coalition, I generally watch the scuffles with impotent rage.
But then there's a level of immediate danger transcending all this. Ideological capitulation to terrorism is no laughing / trolling matter - not when there's a hearts and minds battle going on for the nex-gen. Western post modern cultural self hatred wankery is an existential threat. And a fucking insult.
PZ and his ilk shat on the very real victims of a religious war aimed at our 'disgustingly privileged' society. Every member of the regressive left deserves to be led through the Bataclan Theatre like a WWII era German on their free excursion to Dachau. Further, they should have their fuck-assed comments rubbed metaphorically into the blood matted hair of the victims they so denigrate.
I make no apology.
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I think that's largely true - on the whole, the great and good virtue signal their assent to the received wisdom merely in order to get on with the business of making piles of cash. They would do the same no matter what the common cultural intellectual fashions are.Hunt wrote:It's all Hollywood bullshit anyway. Hollywood doesn't actually care about anything; it's just what happens to be popular at the time. I just watched a ridiculous slasher film on Netflix called "Hush" which had an obligatory conversation between two women to satisfy the Bechdel test, right before one of them was minced by the killer white dude. Hollywood doesn't really give a shit about anything. In five years movies with killa niggas will be back, just like in the 70's. They'll probably be calling women "dames". Who knows.Shatterface wrote:So Peezus has discovered that the new Tarzan movie is about... Tarzan? And he didn't know what the story is about?
Whi didn't he just go see Ghostbusters again?

I came upon that Bataclan picture, in HD, the day after the attack. It meant my friend Guillaume was in there somewhere. It shocked me, yes, but I also understood why it was needed. Same with the fresh pictures of the Nice attack on the morning after. Seeing the place where I learned to ride a bike, roller-skates, what boobs look like... strewn with corpses. It's shilling as all fuck, but also needed so the horror is not downplayed by the apologists.Darth Cynic wrote: I believe your final line is in general rather than specifically directed, however, I will still clarify that I would not dream of requesting such nor should it ever be proffered.
A part of me wishes I hadn't seen that viscerally disturbing image of Islamist caused carnage but another part believes that as harrowing as these images can be they should be seen. I find it galling when CNN and such signal that disturbing images of this or that atrocity are coming up but then everything of substance is blurred out, and there isn't anything to be seen. It sanitises the event, rendering the victims of deliberate murder into abstractions. Just like people should be exposed to the crimes of the Holocaust so too should we know the full picture of what Islamists are doing, and not just the often abstract death tolls. Not so we can revel in the gory aftermath but so it is clear what these religious ideologues are capable of inflicting on innocents merely because an old tome and allah tells them to.
I was just caught off-guard by it after a drink or two and communicated in haste, and thus possibly somewhat poorly, my disgust for that craven pissant and his mealy mouthed routine unless of course it's some egregious scourge to society like Sam Harris.

If you're not allowed to affix the mattress to the wall, perhaps there's an unemployed university graduate out there with exactly the experience to hold it up for you.deLurch wrote:Wouldn't cheap egg-crate style foam mattresses work just as well?Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Yep, that's the cheapest and easiest solution. Acoustic foam is expensive.
Same shape. similar material.
It'll help if you're not this guy:paddybrown wrote:Okay. One of my periodic appeals for advice.
As I've mentioned before, I've had problems with disturbing my neighbours practising my guitar. (Their landlord actually approached me a while later - I think reading between the lines he was looking for an excuse to kick them out - and told me the council had been out and taken readings after their second complaint and found nothing to be concerned about.)
But those particular neighbours won't be a problem for much longer. I've had an offer accepted on another house. It's a bit bigger and in a nicer area, but it's still a terrace so I'll still need to be careful about keeping the noise down.
Anybody know anything about soundproofing? Everything I find online is either about keeping external noise out of a recording studio, or building the kind of facility an entire band could practice in, neither of which is what I'm after. just want a bit of noise dampening to spare the neighbours. Would a bookcase full of books along the party wall have any useful effect, or perhaps with a bit of acoustic foam behind it?
He needed to. Tarzan made a profit. Ghostbusters is still well away from recovering the money spent on it.Shatterface wrote:So Peezus has discovered that the new Tarzan movie is about... Tarzan? And he didn't know what the story is about?
Whi didn't he just go see Ghostbusters again?

Sanjiang, in a few weeks maybe.Brive1987 wrote:And where will the pin hit the map next?jimhabegger wrote:Liuzhou didn't seem as modern and glamorous as we hoped, but it has the essentials: Starbucks, Pizza Hut, McDonald's, KFC, Uniqlo and H&M. Guilin doesn't have Uniqlo and H&M yet.
Books are hard and reflect sound. Not good for sound dampering. The acoustic foam will work by itself.paddybrown wrote:Okay. One of my periodic appeals for advice.
As I've mentioned before, I've had problems with disturbing my neighbours practising my guitar. (Their landlord actually approached me a while later - I think reading between the lines he was looking for an excuse to kick them out - and told me the council had been out and taken readings after their second complaint and found nothing to be concerned about.)
But those particular neighbours won't be a problem for much longer. I've had an offer accepted on another house. It's a bit bigger and in a nicer area, but it's still a terrace so I'll still need to be careful about keeping the noise down.
Anybody know anything about soundproofing? Everything I find online is either about keeping external noise out of a recording studio, or building the kind of facility an entire band could practice in, neither of which is what I'm after. just want a bit of noise dampening to spare the neighbours. Would a bookcase full of books along the party wall have any useful effect, or perhaps with a bit of acoustic foam behind it?

:lol: That's just what I was thinking.Sulman wrote:I think that's the majority of them.Gumby wrote:
Carrier, imo, is not remotely an SJW. He's a guy who attached himself to a community where he thought he would prosper, financially and sexually.

Ghostbusters will bomb in the Blu-Rays/download chart. It's hard to virtue signal in your own home.comhcinc wrote:He needed to. Tarzan made a profit. Ghostbusters is still well away from recovering the money spent on it.Shatterface wrote:So Peezus has discovered that the new Tarzan movie is about... Tarzan? And he didn't know what the story is about?
Whi didn't he just go see Ghostbusters again?
I mean they could throw more money at the problem and sponsor a social media campaign that involves taking a selfie with some insert from the packaging. It would have to a direct "against the haters" thing.Shatterface wrote:Ghostbusters will bomb in the Blu-Rays/download chart. It's hard to virtue signal in your own home.comhcinc wrote:He needed to. Tarzan made a profit. Ghostbusters is still well away from recovering the money spent on it.Shatterface wrote:So Peezus has discovered that the new Tarzan movie is about... Tarzan? And he didn't know what the story is about?
Whi didn't he just go see Ghostbusters again?

Someone should archive this comment somewhere. I think Com is due for a Randi price.comhcinc wrote:
I mean they could throw more money at the problem and sponsor a social media campaign that involves taking a selfie with some insert from the packaging. It would have to a direct "against the haters" thing.


Thanks you, Hari Seldon.deLurch wrote:I think the amazing thing is how closely the drops match predictions based on opening night & weekend. I guess when your numbers get large enough, people act in predictable swarms.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?pa ... rs2016.htm

It would just be smart marketing. Well it might be. It would depend on how much it will cost to pull off compare to how much they have to make.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Someone should archive this comment somewhere. I think Com is due for a Randicomhcinc wrote:
I mean they could throw more money at the problem and sponsor a social media campaign that involves taking a selfie with some insert from the packaging. It would have to a direct "against the haters" thing.pricePrize.

Way to shut out the LGBTQPA community shitlord! :twisted:Shatterface wrote:They could have done a Black reboot of Tarzan.
A Black guy in a loin-cloth swinging through the jungle and lusting after a white woman wouldn't have been problematic at all.

I liked this comment:Brive1987 wrote:PZ went to the movies. And guess what. He found the movie terrible. Quelle surprise.
This time Tarzan is the target.
Why? Well when he was a kid PZ read the originals and then became enlightened and realised he had been tricked by racist rants.
Fair enough. Problem is he accepts none of this is in the movie. In fact Tarzan goes to bat for the darkies against the colonial oppressors.I could find them entertaining as an oblivious white kid, but once you grow up, you have to wake up to the context. And the context is intolerable.
Problem is he is still white.
This man is not going to be happy till he eyeballs Princess Diana of Themyscira's panties.The new movie struggles to overcome the racist subtext of the story, but fails. It’s implicit. In this case, the writers have made some heroic black characters, and rather than robbing and tormenting the black tribes, White Skin has now arrived to save them from colonial marauders.
I shouldn’t have to spell out the problem with that.
http://web.archive.org/web/201607270857 ... es-please/
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I see archive.is is now archive.today, the terrorists have won.
Or Caine could be brown skinned she, does the same stuff then moves to North Dakota.Chris Whitehouse
27 July 2016 at 3:23 am
I would love to see a twist on the story where a black baby is abandoned in the wilds of Mormon Utah. Named “Mark Caine” by the locals, because of his black skin, he grew strong in his rage at his tormentors, and fathered hundreds of children off of neglected sister wives. The story climaxes in hand to hand combat with Bloody Brigham Young, where Caine pulls Young’s magic underwear over his head and gives him the swirly of death in the Great Salt Lake. He then moves to Minnesota.


Native American activist and actor Russell Means was less kind about some aspects of the film's technical accuracy. In 2009, he said... "The odd thing about making that movie is that they had a woman teaching the actors the Lakota language, but Lakota has a male-gendered language and a female-gendered language. Some of the Indians and Kevin Costner were speaking in the feminine way. When I went to see it with a bunch of Lakota guys, we were laughing."

Yet it's Steve Shives' living hell.comhcinc wrote:It's hard to virtue signal in your own home.



Patriarchy is when men and women have different bathrooms, not different languages.Service Dog wrote:Tarzan of Elfwick has been a trans-racial icon for over a century.
Opponents of race-mixing have always hated Tarzan, for putting his wrongskin hands on white Jane.
Tarzan paved the way for Godfrey of Arabia. And Dances With Wolves star Kevin Costner being IRL inducted into Caine's tribe, after shattering Lakota Sioux patriarchy with his stunning & brave & squaw portrayal of a trans-woman.
Native American activist and actor Russell Means was less kind about some aspects of the film's technical accuracy. In 2009, he said... "The odd thing about making that movie is that they had a woman teaching the actors the Lakota language, but Lakota has a male-gendered language and a female-gendered language. Some of the Indians and Kevin Costner were speaking in the feminine way. When I went to see it with a bunch of Lakota guys, we were laughing."
I recommend he restrict himself to watching the output of the Soviet film industry. It's ideologically sane and pretty close to his world.Shatterface wrote:So Peezus has discovered that the new Tarzan movie is about... Tarzan? And he didn't know what the story is about?
Whi didn't he just go see Ghostbusters again?

I, for one, would welcome the initiative. Just as long as they don't try to reboot Shaft (again). Some things are sacred.Hunt wrote:Hollywood doesn't really give a shit about anything. In five years movies with killa niggas will be back, just like in the 70's. They'll probably be calling women "dames". Who knows.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakota_languageA small number of enclitics (approximately eight) differ in form based on the gender of the speaker. Yeló (men) ye (women) mark mild assertions. Kštó (women only according to most sources) marks strong assertion. Yo (men) and ye (women) mark neutral commands, yeto (men) and nito (women) mark familiar, and ye (both men and women) and na mark requests. He is used by both genders to mark direct questions, but men also use huo in more formal situations. So (men) and se (women) mark dubitative questions (where the person being asked is not assumed to know the answer).
While many native speakers and linguists agree that certain enclitics are associated with particular genders, such usage may not be exclusive. That is, individual men sometimes use enclitics associated with women, and vice versa (Trechter 1999).


Like the guy who translated at Nelson Mandela's memorial? Cool.Service Dog wrote:Tarzan is nearly mute, but fluent in Zulu Sign Language.

QFT. He's raging, impotent, sexually repressed, cowardly douchebag. A young PZ Myers with a beard trimmer.free thoughtpolice wrote:Speaking of Steve Shives, someone asked why many people dislike him, well he is a snivelling, strawmanning passive aggressive shit.
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[youtube]euGigD_DXzA[/youtube]Tigzy wrote:It'll help if you're not this guy:
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But what about the Two-Spirit ones that SJWs wont shut up about?Shatterface wrote:That Lakota guy sounds more like the kind of pedant who would argue 'fewer, not less' rather than a native speaker. Lakota isn't as gendered as he suggests:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakota_languageA small number of enclitics (approximately eight) differ in form based on the gender of the speaker. Yeló (men) ye (women) mark mild assertions. Kštó (women only according to most sources) marks strong assertion. Yo (men) and ye (women) mark neutral commands, yeto (men) and nito (women) mark familiar, and ye (both men and women) and na mark requests. He is used by both genders to mark direct questions, but men also use huo in more formal situations. So (men) and se (women) mark dubitative questions (where the person being asked is not assumed to know the answer).
While many native speakers and linguists agree that certain enclitics are associated with particular genders, such usage may not be exclusive. That is, individual men sometimes use enclitics associated with women, and vice versa (Trechter 1999).