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Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:14 pm
by Kirbmarc
Skep tickle wrote:I'd searched earlier for news online about John Greg, nothing had turned up, but I'm sorry to report that on another try just now this bad, sad news turned up:

Obituary

Jesus. :cry:
Shit.

So long, John. You made us laugh, you made us think. You made our lives better. It's incredibly sad that nothing could make yours worth living for you.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:16 pm
by rayshul
RIP John. That's a bucketload of fuck, isn't it.

Sorry to hear about your mother Clarence, sorry about your stroke jughead, and hope you get the job comc.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:17 pm
by Kirbmarc
Ericb wrote:
Clarence wrote:Well, I know the past year or so has been uber-shitty for many on the 'pit'.

Now , it's struck me as well.

I lost my grandmother this January.
I didn't say anything about it here that I recall because I hardly ever bring my real life to social media (except for my opinions).
Plus, she was 93 and had been slowly dying since her accident and operation over the previous months. So it wasn't unexpected. She had a long life.

Now my mom has died. At 72, when most of the women on her side of the family at least hit 80. With no warning, no obvious physical health issues. The only consolation is that it seems to have happened in her bed, while she was sleeping.

So now I'm dealing with arranging a funeral for the first time in my life.

And while not as important to me as family, Prince and David Bowie died this year as probably 99 percent of you know. I know some people here have been struggling with lack of a job or personal illness and while I haven't said anything to ALL of you , I have read about and sympathized with each and every one.

2016 is turning out to be a really shitty year :(
My condolences to you, Clarence. I can't even imagine how this feels.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:25 pm
by CaptainFluffyBunny
jugheadnaut wrote:Sorry to add to the downer vibe today, but my own piece of bad news for 2016 is that I had a moderate stroke in the first week of March. The good news is that now, about eight weeks later, I've made something approaching a full recovery. My main issue at this point is that concentration requires more effort, and if I do it for more than 5-6 hours at a time, I get very tired.
Hang in there.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:36 pm
by Hunt
My condolences to everyone having a hard time of it, and to the memory of John Greg...I don't know what to say. It would almost be a comfort if it turned out to be something other than his own action, but I fear not. In my PMs to him it was clear that there were things he wouldn't do, lines he wouldn't cross. I suggested he open a patreon but he was uncomfortable with accepting a stream of funds without giving anything in return. Even though I didn't really know him, perhaps none of us really did, it's still hard to deal with, and I've had my guts ripped out by the suicide of a friend before. It's the type of thing you don't get used to, of course. I wish I'd had a million dollars I could have given him, but I didn't. Life sucks sometimes.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:44 pm
by feathers
Imagine finding that at the end of the tunnel.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:50 pm
by SM12
Danielle Muscato is guilty of gender appropriation.

How can he call himself a woman when some other men are lambasted for wearing dreadlocks?

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:53 pm
by Søren Lilholt
So sad to hear about John. I can understand why he did this but it saddens me beyond belief that this was the only choice he felt he had. What a terrible indictment on the world we live in.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:06 pm
by Brive1987
feathers wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:[.img]http://i.imgur.com/N7SRIYw.jpg[/img]
Imagine finding that at the end of the tunnel.
While that pic is indeed Go Home Lake On, it is but a small portion of the overall wonderland.

I'm reassured that John will be spending eternity only a brisk paddle away from Beaver Island.

http://i.imgur.com/KduaRaj.jpg

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:13 pm
by Oglebart
Well that's very sad news,

Clarence, sorry to hear your news, that is something I fear greatly, and I'm not sure how well equipped I will be to deal with it when the time comes.

John laid his plans out here some time ago and he really did seem very clear on them, so I guess we shouldn't be massively surprised, doesn't make it any less shocking of course. I guess it is the ultimate act of autonomy and obviously was the result he wanted. I'm not sure how I feel about the situation really, our society has demonised suicide for so long and of course our instincts are to do everything possible to stay alive. It does seem like John's situation was more of a financial/work problem from what he posted here however, so that makes it seem so much more preventable than, say illness. Also noted that the date on the obituary was 30 March, so it happened nearly a month ago. RIP John.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:15 pm
by KiwiInOz
Skep tickle wrote:I'd searched earlier for news online about John Greg, nothing had turned up, but I'm sorry to report that on another try just now this bad, sad news turned up:

Obituary

Jesus. :cry:
Oh, John.

I will miss you here.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:20 pm
by KiwiInOz
Clarence wrote:Thank you, Hunnybunny and Skeptickle.

I'll try to stay off here until I can come back and not infect anything with sadness.
I wish you guys and gals who cared for & knew John Greg the best, and I hope you can avoid any heartache of your own this year.

Don't worry about me. I'll be back when I can be my normal funny or sometimes obnoxious (hopefully more funny) self.
Mate, for a bunch of argumentative arseholes, we actually give a shit. Take care. None of us gets out of here alive, but the bit in between birth and death is worth experiencing.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:31 pm
by Shatterface
RIP John.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:54 pm
by paddybrown
Sorry for your loss Clarence. Take care of what's important, us shitlords will still be here when you feel ready.

I didn't know John as well as some of the veterans on the Pit. We knew what he was thinking and did our best to talk him out of it, but in the end he made his choice and we have to respect it. RIP, man. In the words of one of Leonard Cohen's more cheerful songs, glad that I ran into you.

[youtube]hgpVlfayYRU[/youtube]

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 12:22 am
by Brive1987
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Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 12:48 am
by Jan Steen
What a rotten start of the day, to learn that John is no longer with us. An evil Slymepitter gone, or a talented, funny, opinionated guy driven to suicide by a flawed society?

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 12:56 am
by Phil_Giordana_FCD
I'm completely gutted by the news, even if John gave us some fair warning beforehand. I've known him since the early Pit days at Abbie's ERV. Funny guy, great sense of humor, and very strong opinions on the SJW invasion. Plus a talented musician, of course.

I'm marking March 30th as a very dark day. Especially since he didn't leave behind a Klingon suicide note. That was a dick move.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:03 am
by HunnyBunny
comhcinc wrote:So not to take away from people's mourning but I hey I have a job interview tomorrow. This has the potential of being something good.
The Pit is counting on you for some good news Com. No pressure or anything.

Jughead - Sorry to hear of your stroke. Good news that the recovery is going well.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:33 am
by Phil_Giordana_FCD
I agree with HunnyBunny. It feels like we need a bit of positive news right now.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:36 am
by Brive1987
I got a distinction for my first history essay in 26 years.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:43 am
by HunnyBunny
Brive1987 wrote:I got a distinction for my first history essay in 26 years.
https://38.media.tumblr.com/c26b20d3523 ... o1_500.gif

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:44 am
by ffs
[youtube]u04yPWweZO4[/youtube]

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:46 am
by Brive1987
:)

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:00 am
by HunnyBunny
If anyone wants a bit of mindless distraction, there is the Kiwifarms / Matthew-Cunt-Hopkins drama splurging all over the gamergate universe. Ralph Whatsit did a thing - http://theralphretort.com/kotakuinactio ... d-4022016/

I have to say, I'd tend to go with the Kiwifarms chap's version, rather than MHW. Purely because MHW is an enormous cock, and I totally called it when he was first linked here over the blockbot drama. He's a doxxing turd (he once rang up MA Melby's employers and tried to get her fired), who finds kiddie porn everywhere. Interestingly, the places he accuses of having a child porn culture are usually the ones he has fallen out with, once they realise he is nothing more than a basement dwelling dweeb who gets all fanboi over women on the internet. His Encyclopedia Dramatica entry is a good read. I suspect this probably all started because Hopkins got a lolcow thread at kiwifarms, and his fee-fees were hurt.

MHW is a good example of why people always need to question everything. Gamergate fell for him because he spun a nice line in what they wanted to hear, but it was obvious to anyone with an internet connection he wasn't all right up top. His @Shoe0nHead fetish was just embarrassing, and probably the only reason he involved himself in GG in the first place.

Anyway, it's a good read for a bit of mindless drama lols, and there is more over at kiwifarms.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:40 am
by Brive1987
I've got no idea what this all means. I am however disappointed to learn that a Shoe0nHead fetish is something to be embarrassed about. :roll:

Now, what about all this Trump state winning business? My son tells me that Trump is close to getting all the pledged votes he needs.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:46 am
by screwtape
So sad to lose someone talented, funny and insightful, and especially when it need never have happened. It's the waste of it that appalls us when a suicide occurs, along with the guilty suspicion that we should have done more. Three of my colleagues out here in the middle of nowhere have killed themselves since I arrived thirty years ago (I trust there is no connection) and another three have drunk themselves to death. Always a shock, even when you can see the possibility coming.

Unrelated matter: a review of a book I have ordered to improve my mind. Fascinating stuff about the influence of various British migrations into America and the on-going influence on American society:
http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/04/27/bo ... ions-seed/

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:46 am
by Hunt
Brive1987 wrote:I've got no idea what this all means. I am however disappointed to learn that a Shoe0nHead fetish is something to be embarrassed about. :roll:

Now, what about all this Trump state winning business? My son tells me that Trump is close to getting all the pledged votes he needs.
Unfortunately Trump seems to be continuing his Sherman march, after a brief hiccup. Adding to the bad news, Hillary seems to be wiping the floor with Sanders, so it looks like it's going to be Trump vs. Hillary. Trump thinks he can "easily beat" Hillary. To say that the alt-right is having spontaneous ejaculations right now would be an understatement.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:00 am
by Keating
Nimble navigator.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:10 am
by Old_ones
Brive1987 wrote:I've got no idea what this all means. I am however disappointed to learn that a Shoe0nHead fetish is something to be embarrassed about. :roll:

Now, what about all this Trump state winning business? My son tells me that Trump is close to getting all the pledged votes he needs.
He had a very good night. He's always polled well in the northeast, but he beat his polling and won all the states that voted yesterday by the highest margins he's seen so far. Its still hard to say what will happen now -- he isn't as popular in the states coming up, but I take this as a sign that the Republicans are closing ranks behind him. Here's the Nate Silver take on the situation: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/its ... n-to-lose/

Personally, I'm not unhappy with these results. I want Hillary Clinton to win (since Sanders has already lost) and she'll have an easier time beating Trump than anyone else. Plus, Cruz would make an even worse president than Trump. He's an ugly theocrat who would rather shut down the government than have it spend money on education. I would rather have PZ Myers as president than Ted Cruz.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:11 am
by Brive1987
Hunt wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:I've got no idea what this all means. I am however disappointed to learn that a Shoe0nHead fetish is something to be embarrassed about. :roll:

Now, what about all this Trump state winning business? My son tells me that Trump is close to getting all the pledged votes he needs.
Unfortunately Trump seems to be continuing his Sherman march, after a brief hiccup. Adding to the bad news, Hillary seems to be wiping the floor with Sanders, so it looks like it's going to be Trump vs. Hillary. Trump thinks he can "easily beat" Hillary. To say that the alt-right is having spontaneous ejaculations right now would be an understatement.
But there's no figures that suggest Trump could have a run in the actual election. Are there? :shock:

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:16 am
by Phil_Giordana_FCD
Old_ones wrote: Plus, Cruz would make an even worse president than Trump. He's an ugly theocrat who would rather shut down the government than have it spend money on education. I would rather have PZ Myers as president than Ted Cruz.
I hope you're not serious.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:18 am
by Old_ones
Brive1987 wrote:
Hunt wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:I've got no idea what this all means. I am however disappointed to learn that a Shoe0nHead fetish is something to be embarrassed about. :roll:

Now, what about all this Trump state winning business? My son tells me that Trump is close to getting all the pledged votes he needs.
Unfortunately Trump seems to be continuing his Sherman march, after a brief hiccup. Adding to the bad news, Hillary seems to be wiping the floor with Sanders, so it looks like it's going to be Trump vs. Hillary. Trump thinks he can "easily beat" Hillary. To say that the alt-right is having spontaneous ejaculations right now would be an understatement.
But there's no figures that suggest Trump could have a run in the actual election. Are there? :shock:
Trump might win the Republican nomination, but he's deeply unpopular with the general public. His unfavorable rating is ludicrously high; 67% of the electorate view him unfavorably, while only 53% hold the same view of Hillary Clinton.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... avid-duke/

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:21 am
by Hunt
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Old_ones wrote: Plus, Cruz would make an even worse president than Trump. He's an ugly theocrat who would rather shut down the government than have it spend money on education. I would rather have PZ Myers as president than Ted Cruz.
I hope you're not serious.
His stents would immediately blow (not a death threat) and we would have his VP as president, President Watson.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:27 am
by feathers
Hunt wrote:Unfortunately Trump seems to be continuing his Sherman march
You mean he can be stopped with single blow to the hull?

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:33 am
by feathers
Hunt wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Old_ones wrote: Plus, Cruz would make an even worse president than Trump. He's an ugly theocrat who would rather shut down the government than have it spend money on education. I would rather have PZ Myers as president than Ted Cruz.
I hope you're not serious.
His stents would immediately blow (not a death threat) and we would have his VP as president, President Watson.
After that previously posted challenge, now go on and imagine Zvan as the Secretary of Defense.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:37 am
by Old_ones
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Old_ones wrote: Plus, Cruz would make an even worse president than Trump. He's an ugly theocrat who would rather shut down the government than have it spend money on education. I would rather have PZ Myers as president than Ted Cruz.
I hope you're not serious.
100%.

PZ Myers is occasionally right about something by accident.

Fuck Ted Cruz. A vote for Ted Cruz is a vote for ISIS and the end of civilization.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets ... ry-top.jpg

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:38 am
by Brive1987
This is what I'm reading
Now, there are still 10 states left to vote. And it is looking more and more likely that Trump will lock that delegate majority down outright. He's ahead in recent polls of the two most important remaining states to vote — California and Indiana — and if he wins those two states handily, he gets his majority.
http://www.vox.com/2016/4/26/11512666/p ... a-maryland

It sounds seri-arse.
____________________________

On another note. If the Orbit had an elevator-gate, this is what it would sound like.

[youtube]bQtmm_lpUKI[/youtube]

:lol:

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:46 am
by Keating

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:51 am
by comhcinc
HunnyBunny wrote:
comhcinc wrote:So not to take away from people's mourning but I hey I have a job interview tomorrow. This has the potential of being something good.
The Pit is counting on you for some good news Com. No pressure or anything.

Jughead - Sorry to hear of your stroke. Good news that the recovery is going well.

Trust me I am trying my best. i just got out of the shower and I have shaved more that Muscato has in two year.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:54 am
by Keating
Friendly advice - don't take Hitchens with you.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:55 am
by comhcinc
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Old_ones wrote: Plus, Cruz would make an even worse president than Trump. He's an ugly theocrat who would rather shut down the government than have it spend money on education. I would rather have PZ Myers as president than Ted Cruz.
I hope you're not serious.
Cruz is Canadian and can't be president anyway.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:56 am
by Brive1987
Remember you dress for the job you want not the job you have.

Ie no PJs.

Good luck.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:58 am
by comhcinc
Brive1987 wrote:This is what I'm reading
Now, there are still 10 states left to vote. And it is looking more and more likely that Trump will lock that delegate majority down outright. He's ahead in recent polls of the two most important remaining states to vote — California and Indiana — and if he wins those two states handily, he gets his majority.
http://www.vox.com/2016/4/26/11512666/p ... a-maryland

It sounds seri-arse.
[youtube]UJUk45l4h8c[/youtube]

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:01 am
by AnonymousCowherd
Vale John. Time to break out the good whiskey.

Sorry, too, for your loss Clarence.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:04 am
by comhcinc
Brive1987 wrote:Remember you dress for the job you want not the job you have.

Ie no PJs.

Good luck.

Put clothes on. Check.
Keating wrote:Friendly advice - don't take Hitchens with you.
Ferret as loincloth not considered clothes. Check.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:16 am
by HunnyBunny
screwtape wrote:So sad to lose someone talented, funny and insightful, and especially when it need never have happened. It's the waste of it that appalls us when a suicide occurs, along with the guilty suspicion that we should have done more. Three of my colleagues out here in the middle of nowhere have killed themselves since I arrived thirty years ago (I trust there is no connection) and another three have drunk themselves to death. Always a shock, even when you can see the possibility coming.

Unrelated matter: a review of a book I have ordered to improve my mind. Fascinating stuff about the influence of various British migrations into America and the on-going influence on American society:
http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/04/27/bo ... ions-seed/
That's some rank islamophobia there, I don't see any mention of the Muslin influence from1000 AD when they discovered America and built mosques everywhere.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:30 am
by Lsuoma
48 guests right now. I'm guessing the news is getting around.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:38 am
by Brive1987
NECSS is on in two weeks. Yawn.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:50 am
by Aneris
PZ Myers gets a honorable mention at minute 14 in Michael Nugent's talk, as he presents smearing and heated online debates as one challenge for atheists and secularists: http://www.michaelnugent.com/2016/04/27 ... e-tallinn/

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:56 am
by Ericb
Brive1987 wrote:
Hunt wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:I've got no idea what this all means. I am however disappointed to learn that a Shoe0nHead fetish is something to be embarrassed about. :roll:

Now, what about all this Trump state winning business? My son tells me that Trump is close to getting all the pledged votes he needs.
Unfortunately Trump seems to be continuing his Sherman march, after a brief hiccup. Adding to the bad news, Hillary seems to be wiping the floor with Sanders, so it looks like it's going to be Trump vs. Hillary. Trump thinks he can "easily beat" Hillary. To say that the alt-right is having spontaneous ejaculations right now would be an understatement.
But there's no figures that suggest Trump could have a run in the actual election. Are there? :shock:

All those state that Trump won last night he will lose in the General Election. As far a presidential politics are concerned the Northeast is solid Democrat country, the Republicans haven't won there in decades.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:00 am
by Brive1987
This time last year Trump was a joke. Is there any chance there could be a general fingers up to party politics? Could the FBI thing bite HC? Someone needs to be updating the risk register.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:05 am
by Brive1987
Myers demonstrates his boho creds

Novelist Ian McEwan recently summed up the impulse to see two categories: “Call me old-fashioned,” he told an audience, “but I tend to think of people with penises as men.”

I’m 9 years younger than McEwan, which I guess makes me one of those young whippersnappers. I’m still kind of peeved at this tendency to ascribe certain regressive views to entire generations, as if old people get excused from simple humanity, and are all done with learning and growing. I’m not planning on turning into a simple-minded fool in the next few years (not that it can’t happen!).

But right now I can say I don’t think like Ian McEwan.

I tend not to think about people’s penises, or lack thereof.

I’ve met thousands of people, and so far, none of them have introduced themselves by showing me their genitals. I don’t think that would be a particularly helpful revelation, anyway; I’ve found a bit of conversation to be far more revealing.

I tend not to characterize people into one of two groups by the degree of enlargement of their embryonic genital tubercle, either. That seems a kind of crude and useless taxonomy. In general, lumping humanity into men on one side and women on the other seems like a useless distinction that ignores a tremendous amount of nuance.

I’m going to start thinking of people in terms of their blood groups. I really should start hanging out with more type O people, in case there is a tragic accident and I need a transfusion. I’m incompatible with those A and B people, and those ABs, just forget it. But at least I’ve divided humanity into four arbitrary subsets, rather than a mere two.

Call me old-fashioned, but I tend to think of type O people as potential blood donors.

That’s not dehumanizing, is it?

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:06 am
by dogen
So, I've just finished The Blank Slate. It's the first book I've read in years, and the first ever on Kindle. Very much enjoyed it; thanks to those on here who recommended it.

Next book: Kraken by China Mieville.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:15 am
by JackSkeptic
So sad about John.

For all the rest of you having a bad time I hope things get better for you.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:28 am
by Guest_df4fcc85
Brive1987 wrote:Myers demonstrates his boho creds

Novelist Ian McEwan recently summed up the impulse to see two categories: “Call me old-fashioned,” he told an audience, “but I tend to think of people with penises as men.”

I’m 9 years younger than McEwan, which I guess makes me one of those young whippersnappers. I’m still kind of peeved at this tendency to ascribe certain regressive views to entire generations, as if old people get excused from simple humanity, and are all done with learning and growing. I’m not planning on turning into a simple-minded fool in the next few years (not that it can’t happen!).

But right now I can say I don’t think like Ian McEwan.

I tend not to think about people’s penises, or lack thereof.

I’ve met thousands of people, and so far, none of them have introduced themselves by showing me their genitals. I don’t think that would be a particularly helpful revelation, anyway; I’ve found a bit of conversation to be far more revealing.

I tend not to characterize people into one of two groups by the degree of enlargement of their embryonic genital tubercle, either. That seems a kind of crude and useless taxonomy. In general, lumping humanity into men on one side and women on the other seems like a useless distinction that ignores a tremendous amount of nuance.

I’m going to start thinking of people in terms of their blood groups. I really should start hanging out with more type O people, in case there is a tragic accident and I need a transfusion. I’m incompatible with those A and B people, and those ABs, just forget it. But at least I’ve divided humanity into four arbitrary subsets, rather than a mere two.

Call me old-fashioned, but I tend to think of type O people as potential blood donors.

That’s not dehumanizing, is it?
"I don't see sex" -- PZ Myers

But...

“When I look at you, I don't see color;”

reason.com/archives/2015/08/05/speech-codes-and-humanism
College Codes Make 'Color Blindness' a Microaggression

and

theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/26/do-not-see-race-ignoring-racism-not-helping
everydayfeminism.com/2015/02/colorblindness-adds-to-racism/

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:29 am
by Ericb
Brive1987 wrote:This time last year Trump was a joke. Is there any chance there could be a general fingers up to party politics? Could the FBI thing bite HC? Someone needs to be updating the risk register.
The Republican establishment isn't anti-Trump because they are offended by his comments:


http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/03/3 ... bout-Trump


Also, while lefty types are freaked out by Trump the Movement Conservatives who've been dominating the GOP since 1980 absolutely loath him. There is a real possibility that these conservatives will break away from the GOP if Trump is the nominee. If you want to read some real Trump hate check out Red State. They are the conservative version of Daily Kos.

http://www.redstate.com/

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:35 am
by Shatterface
I'll believe Myers doesn't see sex when he says he'll sit on a panel no matter how few people with vaginas share the stage with him.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:36 am
by CommanderTuvok
Clarence wrote:My, my , my.
What is Dean Esmay, formerly of A Voice for Men fame doing these days?

http://deanesmay.com/2016/04/26/god-and ... n-atheism/

"My work began when I realized one day that, far from being just another in a long line of faddish “Deepak Chopra” style New Age cults, the “New Atheist” movement was being taken seriously by millions, including influential media figures, and was particularly popular with young people. This “New Atheist” cult began in the early 2000s with the likes of Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Daniel Dennett, and the late Christopher Hitchens, but has now expanded into an almost full-blown Church of its own, with scientists like Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Lawrence M. Krauss, and Jerry Coyne, along with popular and cynical entertainers like Seth MacFarlane, Penn Jillette, Stephen Fry, Bill Maher, Tim Minchin, and even the late Bill Hicks and George Carlin who, like Hitchens, remain popular even in death. All are people who all act or have acted as professional, well-paid atheist proselytizers for their atheist faith–often passing off vicious remarks at religions and religious people as “brave” while knowing full well not one hair of their heads would be so much as mussed by most of the religious groups they attack.

As you may have guessed, I am not a fan of the modern atheism. As an ex-atheist myself, I think today’s atheism is a dogmatic cult phenomenon, led by cult leaders and proselytizers peddling pseudoscience, anti-intellectualism, and general intolerance..."

Wow, sounds like the Slymepit, right?

I'm wondering if he is on crack.
Esmay has this fucking weird grievance going on with atheism, and "new atheists". His view is not a lot different than that of someone like wanker Peter Hitchens.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:38 am
by Ericb
Brive1987 wrote:This time last year Trump was a joke. Is there any chance there could be a general fingers up to party politics? Could the FBI thing bite HC? Someone needs to be updating the risk register.

Oh, and Clinton isn't the only candidate who may have legal issues bubbling up during the general election:


http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-unive ... 1461707442

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:39 am
by CommanderTuvok
Brive1987 wrote:The Orbit has 21 blogs. 8 of them haven't posted since April 10, and 5 of these were last updated in March.

What is wrong with these people?
You can smell the failure at The Orbit. Buuurrrrnnnnn!

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