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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote: LInk, s'il te plait.
Oups, pardon sorry!

I was disappointed Muscato wouldn't be drawn on your challenge about your own gender identity, Phil. That is where the rubber hits the road. It's fatal for Muscato's position, and I guess xe realises that.

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My, my , my.
What is Dean Esmay, formerly of A Voice for Men fame doing these days?

http://deanesmay.com/2016/04/26/god-and ... n-atheism/

"My work began when I realized one day that, far from being just another in a long line of faddish “Deepak Chopra” style New Age cults, the “New Atheist” movement was being taken seriously by millions, including influential media figures, and was particularly popular with young people. This “New Atheist” cult began in the early 2000s with the likes of Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Daniel Dennett, and the late Christopher Hitchens, but has now expanded into an almost full-blown Church of its own, with scientists like Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Lawrence M. Krauss, and Jerry Coyne, along with popular and cynical entertainers like Seth MacFarlane, Penn Jillette, Stephen Fry, Bill Maher, Tim Minchin, and even the late Bill Hicks and George Carlin who, like Hitchens, remain popular even in death. All are people who all act or have acted as professional, well-paid atheist proselytizers for their atheist faith–often passing off vicious remarks at religions and religious people as “brave” while knowing full well not one hair of their heads would be so much as mussed by most of the religious groups they attack.

As you may have guessed, I am not a fan of the modern atheism. As an ex-atheist myself, I think today’s atheism is a dogmatic cult phenomenon, led by cult leaders and proselytizers peddling pseudoscience, anti-intellectualism, and general intolerance..."

Wow, sounds like the Slymepit, right?

I'm wondering if he is on crack.

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Service Dog wrote:I may have been fired today, because of this trans-bathroom political kerfuffle.

O-(+> I was steaming when I wrote this, forgive me if I go astray. <+)-O


Snippity-snip

I'm weighing my options. The MRA in me says good riddance: any 'friend' like that is trouble. Kowtowing to her crap would mean she can always jerk me around the same-way. But part of me knows I have few friends & losing her would be a big blow. I could stoop to communicating using her unprofessional 'dating' menality: show concern: 'what's wrong?'/ say that her feelings matter/ that I 'understand'/ that she's free to dump me-- but I hope she doesn't/ Say it's all my fault, etc etc. ...Pussy-beggar-groveling.

I'm pretty misanthropic these days. Today doesn't help.
Well, that surely does suck. Politics should not enter into one's job. That being said, I was always pretty carefully apolitical on the job. A form of cowardice, but it also made some situations very much easier and allowed me to get to know people in a way that I wouldn't have had I been more forthright in my affiliations.

How necessary was this job to your lifestyle? Is this a devastating blow or a minor setback?

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free thoughtpolice wrote:Isn't it a bit strange that wrestling great Chyna, dies and even the hugest wrestling fan(s) have said nothing?
What are the chances the Illuminati offed Prince just to cover it up? :think:
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Are you speaking about me? She was part of WWE at a time I really didn't watch during the Monday Night Wars. WWE to maintain it's ratings start hot shotting, and more to the point, decided that acting like 13 year old boys was what was best for business.

And she got screwed over by the company big time. She was dating HHH right up to the point that he started dating the daughter of the owner of the company and she was fired soon after. Then she did a lot of drugs and then some porn, including with fellow DX member Xpac. then here in the last couple of years I heard she was getting her life together. She went and wrestled some in Japan and had gotten clean (or at least cleaner).

Now that she is dead of course all is forgiven and most people think she will be in the WWE HOF next year.

But no lots of people have been talking a lot about her. I have even seen people say things to the effect of "year Prince was important but Chyna...."

I thought she was pretty hot before the boob job. It just kinda ruined her look to me.

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I have yet to see anybody answer the question raised elsewhere - "how does Dani explain / describe his womanhood without resorting to gendered stereotypes". The very stereotypes usually described as dehumanising tools of the patriarchy.

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Clarence wrote:My, my , my.
What is Dean Esmay, formerly of A Voice for Men fame doing these days?

http://deanesmay.com/2016/04/26/god-and ... n-atheism/

"My work began when I realized one day that, far from being just another in a long line of faddish “Deepak Chopra” style New Age cults, the “New Atheist” movement was being taken seriously by millions, including influential media figures, and was particularly popular with young people. This “New Atheist” cult began in the early 2000s with the likes of Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Daniel Dennett, and the late Christopher Hitchens, but has now expanded into an almost full-blown Church of its own, with scientists like Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Lawrence M. Krauss, and Jerry Coyne, along with popular and cynical entertainers like Seth MacFarlane, Penn Jillette, Stephen Fry, Bill Maher, Tim Minchin, and even the late Bill Hicks and George Carlin who, like Hitchens, remain popular even in death. All are people who all act or have acted as professional, well-paid atheist proselytizers for their atheist faith–often passing off vicious remarks at religions and religious people as “brave” while knowing full well not one hair of their heads would be so much as mussed by most of the religious groups they attack.

As you may have guessed, I am not a fan of the modern atheism. As an ex-atheist myself, I think today’s atheism is a dogmatic cult phenomenon, led by cult leaders and proselytizers peddling pseudoscience, anti-intellectualism, and general intolerance..."

Wow, sounds like the Slymepit, right?

I'm wondering if he is on crack.
He seems to have a beef with atheism in general. He uses very weak arguments which are basically slightly more complicated versions of the "you can't prove that the supernatural doesn't exist!" and "atheism is a mental illness" that third-rate apologists love. He even tried to use Evolutionary Psychology to "prove" that God exists. He finds the Argument from Motion "sensible" because according to him it explains Quantum Mechanics.

Most of all he sounds like a seriously butthurt Catholic who is pissed at being called "brainwashed" and at the criticism and mockery of his peculiar kind of woo, and reacts by lashing out at atheism by trying to prove that atheism is the unscientific superstition.

He's a "sophisticated believer", one that interprets things like the fact that we might be "wired" to see patterns that don't exist (like children who believe in the monster under the bed) as evidence that belief his rational. He also think that the irrational part of our brain is more often right than the rational part. On the other hand he tries to propose "rational" arguments for God, or "experiments" for proving astrology based on the ideas of Kary Mullis (even though he claims that he doesn't believe in astrology).

He's a poor man's William Lane Craig.

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Scented Nectar wrote:
Shatterface wrote:
I'm Milo (he or they pronouns). I'm a non-binary, trans, asexual, aromantic q*eer who doesn't care about your cisgender feelings.
''I'm a word salad. I obviously care what you think about me otherwise I wouldn't be telling you everything about myself.''
Holy shit! Asexual and aromantic??? I take back what I said about her transing just to excuse herself for liking anal and bj's. She's really fucked up worse than I thought.
Not sure if she's just clinging to childhood, or if it's analogous to using religion to feign chastity - social justice, as we've often remarked, is getting pretty cult-like.

It also seems to me there's a movement underway, perhaps an entirely unconscious one, to reverse the sexual revolution. The price of milk has fallen so low nobody's buying cows, and social justice feminism seems to be going out of its way to revive the old idea that sex is a disgusting, immoral thing that men want and women must resist until he puts a ring on it.

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Really? wrote:
Her page is fascinating at the moment. Careful. You may have just been reported for hate speech and harassment.
Strangely enough, I am not banned or blocked. We're having a nice conversation.
I think you've pulled Phil. You lucky chap you!

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Really? wrote:
HoneyWagon wrote: Obviously a fake page, but still
I hate to defend Danielle, but I don't think impersonating her is a viable tactic. If nothing else, she's doing a fantastic job of making herself look silly, even to her fellow transwomen. I'm a little worried on her part that her "story" might be spreading more widely. Kate Smurthwaite knows about her. Does she really want to become the new meme-worthy person like Melody is?
Yes, I believe she does.

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Kate Smurthwaite questions Muscato's definition of "woman":

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Those are gold standard comments.

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Oh dear.

Adam has totalled Becky's red mini. I fear it will be a dreary strap-on less month for him.

Meanwhile Wato recovers from her loss in a haze of medicinal stress busting weed.

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I was going to post about Chyna but I got kicked out so fuckit

I am really struggling to understand wtf is going on with Danielle now. When did she come out again?


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Someone needs to show her the Dave stuff.

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deLurch wrote:[.youtube]dEWuAcMWDLY[/youtube]

Bonus points to anyone who can get Muscato to sing this at Karaoke.
Or have him sing Minnie Riperton. If he passes, I promise I'll respect his new pronouns.

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Brive1987 wrote:Oh dear.

Adam has totalled Becky's red mini. I fear it will be a dreary strap-on less month for him.

[.youtube]aCjXTzK2jdM[/youtube]
Either I'm suffering from delirium tremens, or she' s holding the frigging camera in her hand.

She gets paid for this?

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Brive1987 wrote: https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/imag ... icuAnmX-dM
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Sunder wrote:
[youtube]ssjokgx0pUQ[/youtube]
I know for a fact that staff disappear the moment you shut the door behind you.

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feathers wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:Oh dear.

Adam has totalled Becky's red mini. I fear it will be a dreary strap-on less month for him.

[.youtube]aCjXTzK2jdM[/youtube]
Either I'm suffering from delirium tremens, or she' s holding the frigging camera in her hand.

She gets paid for this?
No. These are the bonus loyalty rewards bestowed upon loyal $3 and above patrons.

And the shakes are like, edgy. Coincidently they also remove any requirement for effort.

And shame. No more surfing for Becky for a while.

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The Orbit has 21 blogs. 8 of them haven't posted since April 10, and 5 of these were last updated in March.

What is wrong with these people?

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Brive1987 wrote:The Orbit has 21 blogs. 8 of them haven't posted since April 10, and 5 of these were last updated in March.

What is wrong with these people?
They have 10 grand. You'll hear from them when they need more. Requiring blog posts is an example of oppressive, western, white, patriarchial colonialist expectations.

In the meantime, you have Dana Hunter, who has now produced 3 posts on the dude-bro-ness contained in the first episode of Supernatural. Only 238 episodes to go.

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feathers wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:Oh dear.

Adam has totalled Becky's red mini. I fear it will be a dreary strap-on less month for him.

[.youtube]aCjXTzK2jdM[/youtube]
Either I'm suffering from delirium tremens, or she' s holding the frigging camera in her hand.

She gets paid for this?
We need such activists. The world won't improve on it's own.

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So, something weird is happening with my avatar. I'm going to leave it that way, as an undying proof of my computering ineptitude.

For something completely different, My snake Dexter is having yet another case of mouth rot (stomatitis), so I'm off to the vet in one hour. On my newly-bought scooter. Chances are I won't die on my way there or back, but I'm working on it and starting my Big Rig biking driver license next week to purchase a 500cc.

Wish me luck.

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I wonder if Danielle-Dave is a virgin. No Lesbian would want to sleep with him and sleeping with a Hetero female would be rape. Of course if he refused to sleep with another who is a male-presenting-male-who-identifies-as-a-woman he would be a shitlord.

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HunnyBunny wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:The Orbit has 21 blogs. 8 of them haven't posted since April 10, and 5 of these were last updated in March.

What is wrong with these people?
They have 10 grand. You'll hear from them when they need more. Requiring blog posts is an example of oppressive, western, white, patriarchial colonialist expectations.

In the meantime, you have Dana Hunter, who has now produced 3 posts on the dude-bro-ness contained in the first episode of Supernatural. Only 238 episodes to go.
The fights will start soon when they figure out that some bloggers are receiving money and not blogging

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And still no news from John Greg. He didn't even read my PM. I'm starting to get worried.

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HunnyBunny wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:The Orbit has 21 blogs. 8 of them haven't posted since April 10, and 5 of these were last updated in March.

What is wrong with these people?
They have 10 grand. You'll hear from them when they need more. Requiring blog posts is an example of oppressive, western, white, patriarchial colonialist expectations.

In the meantime, you have Dana Hunter, who has now produced 3 posts on the dude-bro-ness contained in the first episode of Supernatural. Only 238 episodes to go.
The Orbit bloggers are lazy clickbait writers and e-beggars.

The ones who really have a problem are the ones who sent them money, money which could have been sent to real charities who are actually helping people who need help.

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Brive1987 wrote:The Orbit has 21 blogs. 8 of them haven't posted since April 10, and 5 of these were last updated in March.

What is wrong with these people?
Not only that most successful bloggers blog more than once a day (The 3 top bloggers at FTB constantly blogged). Only a couple of them blog more than weekly.

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:And still no news from John Greg. He didn't even read my PM. I'm starting to get worried.
I noticed the absence last week. I was at the slightly worried stage then, now I'm somewhat alarmed.

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Brive1987 wrote:The Orbit has 21 blogs. 8 of them haven't posted since April 10, and 5 of these were last updated in March.

What is wrong with these people?
Do you want a detailed answer to that? Normally it's you who makes the painstaking, large diagrams.

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There is hope for the world yet, even Guardian OPs are concerned about the regressive left.

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Hunt wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:And still no news from John Greg. He didn't even read my PM. I'm starting to get worried.
I noticed the absence last week. I was at the slightly worried stage then, now I'm somewhat alarmed.
I hope that the silly bugger is still with us, and is just taking a break.

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If he decided to do An Hero, I hope it was glorious. Obviously, I hope he didn't actually do An Hero, but if he did and it was some shit medication overdose or hanging in the closet, I'll be disappoint.

Was there any Star Trek convention in his neck of the wood lately?

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Google doesn't return anything of importance on "Klingon Suicide Note".

Damn you John!

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CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
Service Dog wrote:I may have been fired today, because of this trans-bathroom political kerfuffle....
I'm pretty misanthropic these days. Today doesn't help.
Well, that surely does suck. Politics should not enter into one's job. That being said, I was always pretty carefully apolitical on the job. A form of cowardice, but it also made some situations very much easier and allowed me to get to know people in a way that I wouldn't have had I been more forthright in my affiliations.

How necessary was this job to your lifestyle? Is this a devastating blow or a minor setback?
The measurable loss is minor setback. But this co-worker has been a close friend & was supportive thru some truly tough times. Plus, over the last year, she's been my most fruitful point of contact to the art world,: gets me hired, brings me into closed-door VIP events, introduces me to 'hot' artists. Who-knows what might-have-been lost?

As for not talking about politics at work: it's not necessarily cowardly to be circumspect. It can be dignified, considerate, and productive.

But it's a bad sign that the Art world would be a place where censoring expression is valued. Making art & self-censorship are opposites.

Also, I accuse my co-worker of fitting the milennial cliche of considering-herself a quirky rebel/ while feeling anxious about deviating from conformist standards, such as "NSFW" HR Dept values (even outside work), speaking in politically-correct euphemisms, like a frumpy old biddy, being overly-impressed with 'success' in the form of wealth and fame (while lecturing others about 'privilege').

It's annoying that she came to me for support, when her friends on facebook mobbed her for being ableist... for using the worlds 'crazy' and 'stupid'... but she fires me for being 'transphobic', despite me thinking Danielle Muscato should free to use whatever bathroom he wants/ but... my crime is... I think it's ok to have a word that distinguishes trans-people from cis-people, for purposes of discussing the topic.

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:And still no news from John Greg. He didn't even read my PM. I'm starting to get worried.
He's not responding to emails, either.

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Brive1987 wrote:Oh dear.
Adam has totalled Becky's red mini. I fear it will be a dreary strap-on less month for him.
Meanwhile Wato recovers from her loss in a haze of medicinal stress busting weed.
[youtube]aCjXTzK2jdM[/youtube]
I wonder how much pot she is smoking on a regular basis. I bet it has bumped up since she moved to California.

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HunnyBunny wrote:In the meantime, you have Dana Hunter, who has now produced 3 posts on the dude-bro-ness contained in the first episode of Supernatural. Only 238 episodes to go.
The fan base of the show Supernatural is fairly heavy amoungst young women, teen girls with a side of gay men. The show producers know this and pander to them.

The show sucked for the first season, got better in the 2-5-6-7th season. And know it continues on and on despite the core story being long over and done with based on pure adoration of their fandom.

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Lsuoma wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:And still no news from John Greg. He didn't even read my PM. I'm starting to get worried.
He's not responding to emails, either.
Shit. That's really worrying.

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Brive1987 wrote:I have yet to see anybody answer the question raised elsewhere - "how does Dani explain / describe his womanhood without resorting to gendered stereotypes". The very stereotypes usually described as dehumanising tools of the patriarchy.
My guess with regard to males who have made zero effort to disguise that they're male but still want to be referred to as female is that they simply don't want to be associated with all of the nasty things that PoMo/3rd-Wave rad-fems say about men. It's as if the ultimate way to declare yourself a male feminist is to use the women's bathroom.

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Billie from Ockham wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:I have yet to see anybody answer the question raised elsewhere - "how does Dani explain / describe his womanhood without resorting to gendered stereotypes". The very stereotypes usually described as dehumanising tools of the patriarchy.
My guess with regard to males who have made zero effort to disguise that they're male but still want to be referred to as female is that they simply don't want to be associated with all of the nasty things that PoMo/3rd-Wave rad-fems say about men. It's as if the ultimate way to declare yourself a male feminist is to use the women's bathroom.
Not quite responding to your point, but somewhat tangentially, I think you hit upon the crux of the Great Trans Shitter Fest: To the trans folk, using the women's(*) room is a statement, its a statement that they are not male. For the non-Muskrats, Its a statement that they pass. Its a confirmation of their identity. For most CIS women, there is no statement involved, their issue is feeling safe when in a vulnerable situation. Now part of that vulnerability is Patriarchy induced, it comes from being separated from their male protectors, which of course is for their own protection (its a good catch, that catch-22.) So in the end, we really have two groups talking at cross purposes to each other.

* I say women's room because for the most part, men dont give a shit who shits near them. Patriarchy again, men are expected to protect themselves, so the perceived vulnerability of being in the shitter is much less, also, men are not expected to see women as a threat.

Anyway, in yet another related point, I find it amusing to see transphobia become the issue-du-jour. Not that transphobia isnt a problem, but I have trouble seeing this having gotten the traction it has had the issue come up 2-3 years ago. Even more entertaining is to see these suburban housewives who have probably never knowingly met a trans person, vehemently defending the rights of trans-women to use the womens room, accusing all and sundry of transphobia. Not that people cant have an interest in an issue that doesnt affect them personally, but the vehemence of the defense of this seems sudden and hard to reconcile. Dunno.

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free thoughtpolice wrote:Click is such a moron. She is a communications professor that was connected to the journalism school and she is now mystified that she is a public figure because she is just a normal person? After getting in confrontations with cops and reporters, aiding a protest that she must of known was already covered on national media?
Whoever wrote the article is an idiot too.
Seriously. Its hard for me to imagine how she could be a Ph.D. in anything.

Her attempt at framing herself as a victim is equally stupid and inept. She's on video bullying a student and screaming expletives at a cop. She behaved so badly toward Schierbecker that she ended up with assault charges and had to do community service to get them dropped. But none of this is supposed to matter because "hey, I didn't mean it guize... how come you aren't interested in The Truth of what I was doing?". The "I wasn't perfect but I meant well" defense kind of falls apart when there are multiple videos of you acting like a nutcase, and the authorities have been involved in at least one of them. Lots of people manage to protest without losing their shit like that.

... And this is the narrative we get from someone who is supposed to be an expert on communication?

She's a total cretin. Or just terrible at controlling her impulses, and also incapable of taking responsibility for her actions after she loses control of herself.
This is stupendous:

"Two young men she passed near the campus asked her if she needed some muscle. She considered it a threat."


But, it's ok when she does it.

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I agree, Dave, with the idea that for those making an effort to "pass" as their new identity, using the new bathroom is the key test and/or a critical way to avoid "outing" themselves. And I think that this is what motivates the large proportion of trans* people who are making an effort. I was only giving my take on people like Muskrato, who are making no (visible) effort at all. They must have some other reason to insist on using a new bathroom and my guess is that they are dissociating themselves from their cis* identity.

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Dave wrote: To the trans folk, using the women's(*) room is a statement, its a statement that they are not male. For the non-Muskrats, Its a statement that they pass. Its a confirmation of their identity.
Under the autogynephilia model, using the Ladies' room is fulfillment of the paraphilia -- is sexually arousing.

NB: about 3/4 of MtFs would be considered autogynephiles, not transgender.

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Billie from Ockham wrote:I agree, Dave, with the idea that for those making an effort to "pass" as their new identity, using the new bathroom is the key test and/or a critical way to avoid "outing" themselves. And I think that this is what motivates the large proportion of trans* people who are making an effort. I was only giving my take on people like Muskrato, who are making no (visible) effort at all. They must have some other reason to insist on using a new bathroom and my guess is that they are dissociating themselves from their cis* identity.
I think you got it right, I was more commenting on the disparity in motivations between the trans and their advocates and the "forces of the Patriarchy" (dun dun dun!) on the bathroom issue. For one group, its making a statement. For the other its about feeling secure (whether or not there is any actual threat.)

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Billie from Ockham wrote:I agree, Dave, with the idea that for those making an effort to "pass" as their new identity, using the new bathroom is the key test and/or a critical way to avoid "outing" themselves. And I think that this is what motivates the large proportion of trans* people who are making an effort. I was only giving my take on people like Muskrato, who are making no (visible) effort at all. They must have some other reason to insist on using a new bathroom and my guess is that they are dissociating themselves from their cis* identity.
For a real trans*person, using the opposite sex WC is the best, safest option, once one has estimated one is closer to that sex on the 'passing' scale.

Dave Muscato is not trans. Autogynephile almost certainly, but primarily an attention whore. He is also mighty clever, to exploit the SJW credo quia absdurdium re. gender*ID and thus garner truckloads of pandering and ego-stroking. Had he transitioned even a bit, he'd be just another non-passing trans, tolerated in a perfunctory way. But as zero-transition Danielle, he is become the center of attention for both friend & foe, a massive black hole with the LGBT social justice crusade reduced to his personal accretion disk.

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Dave wrote:For the other [type of trans* activist] its about feeling secure (whether or not there is any actual threat.)
And that's the problem: it's almost entirely a battle of fee-fees. On one side, you have people who will have their fee-fees hurt if they aren't allowed to use a certain bathroom. On the other side, you have people who will have their fee-fees hurt if certain other people are allowed to use their bathroom. My guess is that actual cases of objective harm are quite rare and the few cases of a person being physically harmed by not being allowed to use the bathroom of their choice are "balanced" by the few cases of sickos using the wrong bathroom for paraphilial reasons.

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Google doesn't return anything of importance on "Klingon Suicide Note".

Damn you John!
Try 'hegh'bat'

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:Call for UK law outlawing "Fattism":

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 99401.html
Philip Rostant, a judge specialising in employment law, warned that larger people are paid less on average than their thinner colleagues.
Lose the weight, then. Shit, you'd think more money would be decent enough motivator to eat less lard and get on a exercise bike.

"But it's me glands make me fat."
“People of non-ideal weight (overweight or severely underweight) are subjected to discrimination, in the workplace and elsewhere, based on attitudinal assumptions and negative inferences ... such as that they are insufficiently self-motivated to make good employees.”
No surprise there that we're dealing with people lacking sufficient self-motivation.

"Being fat don't mean yer un'ealthy. That's just doctors' lies."
Legislation against “fattism” would mean the use of abusive terms or refusing to employ people because of their weight would result in the same kind of penalties as discriminating against ethnic minorities and LGBT people.
Would anti-'fattism' laws still apply in the case of trans-fats? :rimshot:

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Tigzy wrote:Would anti-'fattism' laws still apply in the case of trans-fats? :rimshot:
And then there is Dr Richard Carrier PhD and his love of polyunsaturated fats.

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Billie from Ockham wrote:
Tigzy wrote:Would anti-'fattism' laws still apply in the case of trans-fats? :rimshot:
And then there is Dr Richard Carrier PhD and his love of polyunsaturated fats.
Ah yes. The omega and his threesome.

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Billie from Ockham wrote:
Tigzy wrote:Would anti-'fattism' laws still apply in the case of trans-fats? :rimshot:
And then there is Dr Richard Carrier PhD and his love of polyunsaturated fats.
Does he love them more after he saturates them?

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Brive1987 wrote:Oh dear.

Adam has totalled Becky's red mini. I fear it will be a dreary strap-on less month for him.
On the contrary, she'll retaliate by wrecking his purple starfish.

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Dave wrote:
Billie from Ockham wrote:And then there is Dr Richard Carrier PhD and his love of polyunsaturated fats.
Does he love them more after he saturates them?
I believe that he's only gone so far as to say that he "doesn't mind" if someone else's saturation happens to end up on him.

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Tigzy wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:Call for UK law outlawing "Fattism":

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 99401.html
Philip Rostant, a judge specialising in employment law, warned that larger people are paid less on average than their thinner colleagues.
Lose the weight, then. Shit, you'd think more money would be decent enough motivator to eat less lard and get on a exercise bike.

"But it's me glands make me fat."
“People of non-ideal weight (overweight or severely underweight) are subjected to discrimination, in the workplace and elsewhere, based on attitudinal assumptions and negative inferences ... such as that they are insufficiently self-motivated to make good employees.”
No surprise there that we're dealing with people lacking sufficient self-motivation.

"Being fat don't mean yer un'ealthy. That's just doctors' lies."
Legislation against “fattism” would mean the use of abusive terms or refusing to employ people because of their weight would result in the same kind of penalties as discriminating against ethnic minorities and LGBT people.
Would anti-'fattism' laws still apply in the case of trans-fats? :rimshot:
I propose the non-ableist term, 'otherly ballasted'.

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17 year old goes to a PAX East diversity panel, "harasses" panel by filming it on his phone ... while wearing a Trump Hat.

:naughty: :naughty:

theralphretort.com/young-shitposter-triggers-special-snowflakes-at-pax-east-diversity-in-gaming-panel-4026016/
To make a long story short, I was listening to a certain right-wing podcast and they explained that, as seen in the #TheChalkening, the very name of Trump could be invoked as a sort of battle cry to trigger SJWs. Seeing an opportunity to have a bit of fun, I chose to go to the “Diversity in Gaming” panel because it seemed to be the most pozzed out of all of them. I kept my Trump hat in my backpack until I was in the theater. Then, I donned it.

My original intent was to just sit there and trigger the panelists. But after the introduction, said panelists, which consisted of two half-Puerto Rican transsexuals, a gay white dude, and some mystery meat thing, started to formulate the most insane string of buzzwords I have ever heard. The opportunity seemed too good to miss, so I pulled out my iPhone and started filming. I got 28 minutes of footage before my phone ran low on batteries. By then, the panelists had noticed me, and had referenced me a time or two. so i just left the theater.

To be honest, I didn’t think this would become as big as it is. But in hindsight, I think I made a good decision, as I have not only triggered SJWs in the panel, but across the internet (or at least in a niche part of Twitter).
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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:Call for UK law outlawing "Fattism":

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 99401.html
Let's outlaw ableism, too, and outlaw any requirement of a normal IQ for any career, including that of a judge. The results can't be worse than this.

We definitely need more overweight astronauts with ADHD.

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