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Re: The Refuge of the Toads

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deLurch wrote:If you don't want to answer the questions, as someone else pointed out, we will look up the answers ourselves.
Good. Thank you.

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Bah, If Alex can pay his train ticket to Nice, I can probably have him around for a while. It will will make for awkward Monopoly evenings, but we can manage...
This is how I really imagine that working out.

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deLurch wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Bah, If Alex can pay his train ticket to Nice, I can probably have him around for a while. It will will make for awkward Monopoly evenings, but we can manage...
This is how I really imagine that working out.

[youtube]1bMaS-Dq3Gk[/youtube]
What the fuck did I just watch, and why? I trusted you, deLurch. I clicked. :bjarte:

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Re: The Refuge of the Toads

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CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
d4m10n wrote:
John Greg wrote:As for Alex McClown, as much as I detest him, I am sympathetic/empathetic. Homelessness is a soul destroying, fear inducing experience. And I wouldn't wish it on anyone, even an SJW like McClown. Once one becomes homeless, getting out of it is very, very difficult.
Agreed. It would still be a riot for him to be invited to couch-crash by a Pitter.

Or maybe humanizing. Who knows?
I imagine him complaining constantly and snidely blogging/tweeting about his hosts on the side. Also might not be trustworthy around valuables, given his Marxist respect for property.
He probably won't complain out loud - he's far too wimpy for that, though I'd expect some passive-aggressive snark every now and then. However, it is likely that he'll do the snide blogging on the side bit if you don't match up to his lofty and refined expectations. Lil Shrimp has form in this respect: http://freethoughtblogs.com/godlessness ... the-doubt/

I'm fairly soft hearted, but I'd happily let that snooty, grassing little shit freeze outside.

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I missed the introduction and you may have adressed this, but are you a convert or were you born into your faith? Where do you currently reside?

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comhcinc wrote:
jimhabegger wrote:I won't answer questions about Baha'i beliefs and practices in general, or even about my own beliefs and practices, except in the context of what I want to discuss in my thread in the Bottomless pit, but I will try to answer some questions that keep coming up about my motives, intentions, attitudes and behavior here. I'll be working on a FAQ.

Hey shithead, you are not Clinton. If you refuse to engage then no one is going to talk to you.
ROTFL!

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Guest_27324df6 wrote:I missed the introduction and you may have adressed this, but are you a convert or were you born into your faith? Where do you currently reside?
I was born into my faith of being awesome.

I am from parts unknown.

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jimhabegger wrote: ROTFL!

Your spellchecker is broke.

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Bah, If Alex can pay his train ticket to Nice, I can probably have him around for a while. It will will make for awkward Monopoly evenings, but we can manage...
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comhcinc wrote:If you refuse to engage then no one is going to talk to you.
Dave wrote:So far that proposition is contradicted by the evidence.
comhcinc wrote:Yeah but the luster will wear off in a couple of days.
I certainly hope so.

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Tigzy wrote:snip

I'm fairly soft hearted, but I'd happily let that snooty, grassing little shit freeze outside.
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jimhabegger wrote: I certainly hope so.
You hope everyone starts to ignore you.


Okay, eveyone be nice and honor shithead's wish.

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Jim, please go to your own thread. You will hurt deLurch's feelings, after he slaved over making it for you. Show some consideration.

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Kirbmarc wrote:While Steers is Bozo the Iron Man.

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:lol: Running out of arguments?

But, with the latest in Brussels, one might wonder how many more "Sudetenlands" and "Czechoslovakias" and "Polands" it will take for you to get the picture that the West is at war with Islam - even if it's an undeclared one. And even that is kind of moot; from a couple of recent tweets:


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Dave wrote:... I can't really see the point in talking about community building efforts if we can't talk about the goals of the community builders or the philosophy the efforts are centered around.
I'm not saying you can't. I would welcome people talking about all that, and I will be talking about some of that, myself, in the that thread, eventually. For now though, I see some questions that keep coming up about my motives, intentions, attitudes and behavior here in the Slyme Pit, and I want to try to answer those, before I go back to what I wanted to discuss.

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Guest_27324df6 wrote:I missed the introduction and you may have adressed this, but are you a convert or were you born into your faith? Where do you currently reside?
This looks like it might be intended for me. I'm a convert, and I'm currently living in China.

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John D wrote:This looks like an opportunity for us. Let's pool our money together and buy this. I think we may be able to Jew the guy down a bit to get a better price. (I know we can't afford a Tiger tank, so this may be the next best thing).

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/milita ... rs4x4.html
For a while now, Himmler’s has been on the market for a whopping €500.000, it is in pristine condition and a real looker but it seems to be that the history of the car might be too big a burden for most interested buyers.
Eh, no, I don't think it's the history, you silly people. Because that is not a decimal point.

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CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:Jim, please go to your own thread. You will hurt deLurch's feelings, after he slaved over making it for you. Show some consideration.
Jealous?

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comhcinc wrote:Hey bear. With all this jew talk why have you brought up some Brother whathisname?
Ask and you shall receive:
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Cnutella wrote:So Feminist Frequency's new fundraiser appears to have stalled at $46K of a requested $200K, and it is halfway done. I wouldn't discount the possibility of a large donations coming in at the 11th hour, but if current trends continue then they will definitely not make their target.
a sad, I has one.

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deLurch wrote:
Tigzy wrote:Alex did have a house. But he brought it down with his standup.
...and so on and so forth.
So you are homeless in London. Should you spend the day:

A) Checking out options for a homeless shelter?

B) Calling your relatives and tell them you need a place to stay while you get up on your feet again.

C) See about getting a job, any job, even washing dishes so you can afford shelter

D) Consider moving to a less expensive area to live.

E) Spend your time shit post on some political event on twitter.
I'm sure a Muslim family could put him up in their spare gay room.

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deLurch wrote:
John D wrote:This looks like an opportunity for us. Let's pool our money together and buy this. I think we may be able to Jew the guy down a bit to get a better price. (I know we can't afford a Tiger tank, so this may be the next best thing).

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/milita ... rs4x4.html
What on earth would we do with the thing?
Why, take a tour through Tel Aviv of course. With matching uniform.

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free thoughtpolice wrote:
comhcinc wrote:Hey bear. With all this jew talk why have you brought up some Brother whathisname?
Ask and you shall receive:
[youtube]Z7gUjfQeHUM[/youtube]

This guy is like crack to me. I swear if I lived near him I would be going to his church every week.

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Pitchguest wrote:
welch wrote:
Pitchguest wrote:
In that video, I'm a lot more sympathetic to the bigger kid beating up the other kid. Because the other kid started beating on him. Still, he only lost it for a second, and he didn't have a posse backing him up. He was the one bullied.

In the video where the girl beats up the other girl, it's a completely different situation, and it's someone getting up someone else's face for saying a word they didn't like, whilst also being much taller and much bigger. Boo fucking hoo. And then of course you have people on Twitter cheering her on and Orbiters like Niki M who wants to shake her hand, because using words is difficult and this is commendable. Is that what reality is now?
Did you grow up in, and still live in some kind of fucking box? Where you can talk shit to people and say things to them specifically designed to get them mad enough to take a swing at you and nothing ever happens? Where humans don't get mad or don't have whatever issues you may not know about, and everyone is basically a peach-colored smurf?
Growing up I was the tiny, weak kid that everyone picked on. I was relentlessly bullied. I guess I just didn't grow up to be resentful. Also, I didn't grow up in a shithole.

I got mad, I took swings, I got beat up. The reason I think like I do is because I didn't grow up in a "fucking box."
It doesn't matter what kind of world you *want*. You have to live in THIS one, and in THIS one, learning to keep your fucking mouth shut in certain situations is a pretty goddamned useful survival skill. Literally.
They're kids. They're stupid kids doing stupid kid things. What are you talking about "survival skills"? None of it should be encouraged, welch, for crying out loud.
you learn survival skills when you're young, hopefully, and conflicts actually do just consist of a few punches and the like. You hopefully learn that just because you have no intention of going past words, you can't predict what that other person you don't know that well will do, and so maybe, just maybe, not seeing how wound up you can get someone is a good idea.

At the extreme end, it keeps you from getting shanked or shot. But even in more normal circumstances, knowing when to shut up, which Skinny clearly has not learned, keeps you from getting fired at work, and generally helps you get along in life.

You keep saying "none of it should be encouraged" and then play up the "you should be able to say whatever you want" bit. Well, pick one, they're a bit mutually exclusive. Out here in reality, what *should* happen is kind of immaterial. Cops shouldn't be immune from perjury, but guess what? So if you're in an encounter with one, filming it is a good idea, regardless of what "should" happen, and ignoring Steerzo's blathering, if you don't like getting punched in the fucking face, as a honkie, don't call black people niggers. This is really simple.

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feathers wrote:
deLurch wrote:
John D wrote:This looks like an opportunity for us. Let's pool our money together and buy this. I think we may be able to Jew the guy down a bit to get a better price. (I know we can't afford a Tiger tank, so this may be the next best thing).

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/milita ... rs4x4.html
What on earth would we do with the thing?
Why, take a tour through Tel Aviv of course. With matching uniform.
#ahistoricalre-enactmenttoofar

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jimhabegger wrote:
Guest_27324df6 wrote:I missed the introduction and you may have adressed this, but are you a convert or were you born into your faith? Where do you currently reside?
This looks like it might be intended for me. I'm a convert, and I'm currently living in China.
I can understand someone growing up in a religion, adhering to it for communal reasons, because a large part of their social/familial network is predicated upon it, but converts I'm honestly flabergasted by every time.

Are you a westerner by origin? How much did it cost you, converting? Not money, I mean social cost. Did your family disown you? Did your friends all dissapear? Were you threatened? How do you feel about apostasy? What do you think your co-religionists would think of you if, for some reason, you suddenly renounced your faith?

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CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
welch wrote:
Again, how common is the one hit death? Because you keep talking about it like every time there's any impact to the skull, you run some large chance of it just cracking like an egg, and yet, no one can come up with the actual PERCENTAGES O'DOOOM

And if you're trying to make it sound like I am completely dismissing the chances, *AGAIN* i'm not. I'm just saying that you're overstating the fuck out of them.
Golly gee, how exactly would you get that sort of data? You would need to know all sorts of virtually unknowable data. But, as has been pointed out, it is not that uncommon. At what point does risking somebody's life become worth it to you? But hey, as a bonus it's not just death.
https://student.societyforscience.org/a ... ay-harm-iq
It really didn't seem to me that either of those girls had much to spare in the IQ department. There is a lot of unquantifable damage done, period. It should be discouraged, even to the point of incarceration.

And stop being such an asshole. It doesn't help make your point.
Nor did the links I pointed out that showed only 488 "one punch" deaths in boxing between 1960 and 2011. Or that in terms of head injuries, Skiing and bicycling are FAR more dangerous than even THE PUNCH OF DOOM, and that the real risk in things like boxing and football isn't from random freak accidents, but from getting your bell rung year after year after decade.

You know, that data you claim is so fucking hard to find. I mean, it helps if you actually look, but I can see how google is just so hard.

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Perhaps we could organize our questions first-come first-serve, and give him our FAQ queue.

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Shatterface wrote:
I'm sure a Muslim family could put him up in their spare gay room.
At least 4 stories up and a balcony would be nice.
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VickyCaramel wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote: 1) In your tally of # Palestinians, do you include the Nth generation ones born outside of Israel/Palestine?


In a rush, sorry.
There was a study recently, it counted all Palestinians, but separately, I think there are 6.2million in, and 12million out. 12 may be the total?
CIA factbook sez:

Israel total pop = 8,049,314 (includes Golan Heights & East Jerusalem)

Jewish 75% = 6,040,000
Other ("mostly Arab") 25% = 2,010,000

Gaza counted separate, at 1,869,055 -- 99% moslem, 0% Jewish.

So, Fatah's rump PA + Hamas' seceded Gaza = 3.9 million Palestinians, vs. 6 million Israelis.

So, under a two-state solution, it seems prima facie reasonable for Jews to get ~ 3/5 of the land.

Unless the estimated 6 million ethnic Palestinians born & living elsewhere are allowed in. But since Israel is 92% urbanized (per CIA Factbook), it's unclear where you'd put them, unless you moved somebody else out. And the PLO's objective for decades was to promote high birth-rates in the Palestinian camps to arrive at just this scenario. (It's interesting to note that 63% of the population of Gaza is under age 25, compared to 45% in Israel.)

Since Hamas' charter insists on the establishment of an Islamic state to replace Israel, it's impossible to arrive at any bargained solution with them. The Fatah constitution also calls for the elimination of Israel, yet Arafat on behalf of the PLO signed the Oslo agreement, recognizing Israel, and Fatah had participated in the two-state roadmap.


My observations:

One-State Solutions:
* Jewish majority-dominated Israel with a Palestinian minority underclass: untenable (been there, done that);
* Islamic Palestine with either a Jewish underclass, or the expulsion of the Jews: intolerable;
* Secular Palestine: inconceivable;
* Blended Israel/Palestine: unacceptable to both sides;

This leaves the only option the two-state solution, with a Palestinian free-state within Israel, much like the Irish Free state of 1920 within the UK. Perhaps some day this could evolve into something better.

I see no viable solution that includes any significant number of ethnic, foreign-born Palestinians immigrating to Israel/Palestine.

As Vickie observes, reducing inequalities & hardships Palestinians suffer would go a long way toward defusing tension. This cannot, however, be done with Gaza until Hamas is removed from power. Barring that, Gaza must be treated as a belligerent entity, in a state of war with Israel, with its blockade both a valid act under international law, and the most prudent & non-escalatory course.

Fatah should get the carrot, Hamas the stick, & Israel should move forward with a two-state solution exclusive of Gaza.

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deLurch wrote:
jet_lagg wrote:If you can find a person here who doesn't believe religion is an actual threat to our species, I'd be shocked.
I don't believe religion intrinsically is a threat to our species.
I don't find religion to be specifically or particularly better or worse than any other ideologically driven group that has amassed real fiscal and temporal power. Fucking PETA is just as evil.

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VickyCaramel wrote:
Zionism : (Tziyonut, after Zion) is a nationalist and political movement of Jews and Jewish culture that supports the re-establishment of a Jewish homeland in the territory defined as the historic Land of Israel, roughly corresponding to Palestine, Canaan or the Holy Land... very roughly.... although some of the fundamentalist settlers think it should look more like this:-
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Cunning Punt wrote:Oh look, Git's back. Who'd have thought.
He's getting slow. They've been singing his mating song for a while now.

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comhcinc wrote:The only thing getting me upset is you people keep calling it a piledriver. It's nothing like a piledriver in anyway.

Stop it please.
I drink your tears. DRINK THEM ALL.

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fuzzy wrote:Perhaps we could organize our questions first-come first-serve, and give him our FAQ queue.
Interesting how he totally dodged the baby eating question. :think:

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free thoughtpolice wrote:
ffs. There is a big difference between self defense and running up on someone and assaulting them when they aren't fighting back. Do you understand that or have you come down with Steersman syndrome?
The big kid shouldn't have done the pile driver but ideally found a less dangerous way of defending himself. That's the gist of the last sentence of my other post. Even then, the little kid had his friends with him and had the bigger kid backed up against the wall so it is somewhat understandable.
I know someone that had his life ruined by someone punching the crap out of him. He suffered enough brain damage that he could no longer work, drive a vehicle, and can barely talk. All this because he got drunk and pissed off someone.
My S.O. used to work in mental health and this sort of thing is far from a one in a million thing. Recently as the tools to study the brain have improved it's being shown that head injuries have more long term consequences than previously thought.
Is it even possible you're going to provide any backing data on how "common" this is?

Because so far, the data that *I* have found via the Illuminati Secret of the Holy Order of Just Fucking Google It You Fucking Knob shows that while it is not unheard of, it is not nearly as common as you think. Again, < 500 "one hit" deaths in Boxing, a sport rather obessed with punching people in the head, in 51 years.

The same page showed that the risk of head injury from well, everything else is far worse, and to date, the "data" that one of you knobs provided wasn't that the punch killed or maimed people, but rather the fall and hitting your head on fire hydrants and the street, both of which are really fucking hard. Which is kind of how a lot of people die and get maimed from falling in the bathroom.

So look, if you can show that this is actually common enough to be an actual worry, with data that isn't "i know a guy" or some other lived experience bullshit, given how y'all dismiss the same kind of lived experience that disagrees with you, bring it out, and we can talk about it. THus far, it hasn't happened for shit.

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Don't let the near-equal population growth-rates for the Gaza Strip and Israel ruin the story, especially after being so magnanimous as to consider (before rejecting) the idea that the Arabs driven out of the area might count when you re-divide up the land.

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If mocking McGabriel while he's down is wrong, I don't want to be right.

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welch wrote:Fucking PETA is just as evil.
How so? I know they're pretty damn ridiculous, but I'm not aware of them doing any really nasty shit. That said, ridiculous ideologues all too often turn out to be nasty ones as well, so I wouldn't be surprised to find some evil shit there as well. Links?

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Here you go Com

[youtube]nXlOWjobOZU[/youtube]

excuse me if :nin:

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d4m10n wrote:
John Greg wrote:As for Alex McClown, as much as I detest him, I am sympathetic/empathetic. Homelessness is a soul destroying, fear inducing experience. And I wouldn't wish it on anyone, even an SJW like McClown. Once one becomes homeless, getting out of it is very, very difficult.
Agreed. It would still be a riot for him to be invited to couch-crash by a Pitter.

Or maybe humanizing. Who knows?
I'd still count the good silverware before he leaves.

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Bah, If Alex can pay his train ticket to Nice, I can probably have him around for a while. It will will make for awkward Monopoly evenings, but we can manage...
He seems like the kind of guy you'd want to play Cards Against Humanity with.

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I really hope that some student wakes Gabriel up from his park bench to lecture him on his white privilege.

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Re: The Refuge of the Toads

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Shatterface wrote:If mocking McGabriel while he's down is wrong, I don't want to be right.
It is a cold night tonight - but he still is no worse off than the many, many people that will be spending the night outside (If is even doing that - he may still be mooching of an acquaintance for all we know).

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welch wrote:
I'd still count the good silverware before he leaves.
I don't think I'd have the spoons to do that.

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Tigzy wrote:
welch wrote:Fucking PETA is just as evil.
How so? I know they're pretty damn ridiculous, but I'm not aware of them doing any really nasty shit. That said, ridiculous ideologues all too often turn out to be nasty ones as well, so I wouldn't be surprised to find some evil shit there as well. Links?
In this case I won't, but if you google for PETA Death Vans, you can see just how far they'll go and not even slightly care who likes it.

actually, no, don't do that. The details on that shit is beyond depressing. Basically, PETA, every so often, rents a van and goes around pretending to help get pets that people no longer want/can't take care of so they can "Take them to a good shelter". By which they mean, kill them in the back of the van, then throw the bodies in the nearest dumpster.

PETA is literally horrible.

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Shatterface wrote:I really hope that some student wakes Gabriel up from his park bench to lecture him on his white privilege.
Well that got one mighty guffaw out of me.

Also, this is hardly the first time Shrimpy has begged homelessness. It was a recurring feature of his FTB blog, and the little shit has managed to survive so far. So no, no guilt whatsoever for being amused at his present predicament.

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Shatterface wrote:I really hope that some student wakes Gabriel up from his park bench to lecture him on his white privilege.
and his ableist privilege.

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Re: The Refuge of the Toads

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welch wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:
ffs. There is a big difference between self defense and running up on someone and assaulting them when they aren't fighting back. Do you understand that or have you come down with Steersman syndrome?
The big kid shouldn't have done the pile driver but ideally found a less dangerous way of defending himself. That's the gist of the last sentence of my other post. Even then, the little kid had his friends with him and had the bigger kid backed up against the wall so it is somewhat understandable.
I know someone that had his life ruined by someone punching the crap out of him. He suffered enough brain damage that he could no longer work, drive a vehicle, and can barely talk. All this because he got drunk and pissed off someone.
My S.O. used to work in mental health and this sort of thing is far from a one in a million thing. Recently as the tools to study the brain have improved it's being shown that head injuries have more long term consequences than previously thought.
Is it even possible you're going to provide any backing data on how "common" this is?

Because so far, the data that *I* have found via the Illuminati Secret of the Holy Order of Just Fucking Google It You Fucking Knob shows that while it is not unheard of, it is not nearly as common as you think. Again, < 500 "one hit" deaths in Boxing, a sport rather obessed with punching people in the head, in 51 years.

The same page showed that the risk of head injury from well, everything else is far worse, and to date, the "data" that one of you knobs provided wasn't that the punch killed or maimed people, but rather the fall and hitting your head on fire hydrants and the street, both of which are really fucking hard. Which is kind of how a lot of people die and get maimed from falling in the bathroom.

So look, if you can show that this is actually common enough to be an actual worry, with data that isn't "i know a guy" or some other lived experience bullshit, given how y'all dismiss the same kind of lived experience that disagrees with you, bring it out, and we can talk about it. THus far, it hasn't happened for shit.
Fuck it I give up. You're right welch. It was a real good thing that the big chick pounded on the skinny little kid and wasn't assault at all and had no chance of permanently damaging her and assault should be legalized because the victims are always asking for it and need to be taught a lesson.
Bullying is really cool too and too fucking bad if some sadistic bastard happens to ruin someone's life, it could have just as easily happened from skiing or taking a bath.
Oh and if someone gets punched then falls back and dies the person that threw the punch didn't cause it. :drool:

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I find the 4chan style jew conspiracy theory stuff amusing. I look at the video below and I see it as a hilarious send up of jewish conspiracy theorists.
[youtube]Z511RWlsfQg[/youtube]
But I also know from watching general completely nutso conspiracy theorists at work on other issues, that there really are people who believe it all.

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fuzzy wrote:
welch wrote:
I'd still count the good silverware before he leaves.
I don't think I'd have the spoons to do that.
:clap: :clap: :clap:

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welch wrote:
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
welch wrote:
Again, how common is the one hit death? Because you keep talking about it like every time there's any impact to the skull, you run some large chance of it just cracking like an egg, and yet, no one can come up with the actual PERCENTAGES O'DOOOM

And if you're trying to make it sound like I am completely dismissing the chances, *AGAIN* i'm not. I'm just saying that you're overstating the fuck out of them.
Golly gee, how exactly would you get that sort of data? You would need to know all sorts of virtually unknowable data. But, as has been pointed out, it is not that uncommon. At what point does risking somebody's life become worth it to you? But hey, as a bonus it's not just death.
https://student.societyforscience.org/a ... ay-harm-iq
It really didn't seem to me that either of those girls had much to spare in the IQ department. There is a lot of unquantifable damage done, period. It should be discouraged, even to the point of incarceration.

And stop being such an asshole. It doesn't help make your point.
Nor did the links I pointed out that showed only 488 "one punch" deaths in boxing between 1960 and 2011. Or that in terms of head injuries, Skiing and bicycling are FAR more dangerous than even THE PUNCH OF DOOM, and that the real risk in things like boxing and football isn't from random freak accidents, but from getting your bell rung year after year after decade.

You know, that data you claim is so fucking hard to find. I mean, it helps if you actually look, but I can see how google is just so hard.
You're concentrating so hard on the one punch and ignoring the links on brain damage in teens, especially teen girls in fighting. This is because when you already "know" something and are contradicted, you go complete asshole. Seriously, look at your pattern of behavior. You don't seem like a bad guy, but you just go complete prick on people sometimes. Usually for no fucking reason. I have a temper, but dude, you have issues. So you go back on ignore. Hope you work your shit out.

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free thoughtpolice wrote: Fuck it I give up. You're right welch. It was a real good thing that the big chick pounded on the skinny little kid and wasn't assault at all and had no chance of permanently damaging her and assault should be legalized because the victims are always asking for it and need to be taught a lesson.
Bullying is really cool too and too fucking bad if some sadistic bastard happens to ruin someone's life, it could have just as easily happened from skiing or taking a bath.
Oh and if someone gets punched then falls back and dies the person that threw the punch didn't cause it. :drool:
I provided a link about brain damage and teen fighting to Welch, but he is instead blathering on about the one-punch thing, conviently ignoring that it would be near impossible to get quantifiable data without knowing the total number of fights, and ignoring a whole swath of data about brain injury. When he gets a mad-on, he is every bit as ideological as Steersman and just as likely to change his mind. I was hoping he had reformed in his sabbatical from the pit, but he has reverted to form.

Right before I put him on ignore, I noticed he refused to Google for his PETA claim, moments after mocking me "Google is hard." If he acts like this in real life, I truly pity him. Put him on ignore and be a happy bear.

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http://www.cdc.gov/traumaticbraininjury ... facts.html

10.7% of traumatic brain injury is caused by assault, about 19% caused by unknown, so assault may be slightly higher.
How big is the problem?

In 2010, about 2.5 million emergency department (ED) visits, hospitalizations, or deaths were associated with TBI—either alone or in combination with other injuries—in the United States.
TBI contributed to the deaths of more than 50,000 people.
TBI was a diagnosis in more than 280,000 hospitalizations and 2.2 million ED visits. These consisted of TBI alone or TBI in combination with other injuries.
Over the past decade (2001–2010), while rates of TBI-related ED visits increased by 70%, hospitalization rates only increased by 11% and death rates decreased by 7%.
In 2009, an estimated 248,418 children (age 19 or younger) were treated in U.S. EDs for sports and recreation-related injuries that included a diagnosis of concussion or TBI.3
From 2001 to 2009, the rate of ED visits for sports and recreation-related injuries with a diagnosis of concussion or TBI, alone or in combination with other injuries, rose 57% among children (age 19 or younger).3
Another thing. It doesn't fucking matter whether more of these injuries occur from sports. There is a big difference between an accident that happens during voluntary activity and injury that is criminally inflicted on someone.
Way to not fucking get what people are saying and then changing the subject and pretending it somehow disproves an unrelated point.
Are you deliberately trolling or are you really that non self aware?

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CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
You're concentrating so hard on the one punch and ignoring the links on brain damage in teens, especially teen girls in fighting. This is because when you already "know" something and are contradicted, you go complete asshole. Seriously, look at your pattern of behavior. You don't seem like a bad guy, but you just go complete prick on people sometimes. Usually for no fucking reason. I have a temper, but dude, you have issues. So you go back on ignore. Hope you work your shit out.

To be fair you are the one that brought up the one punch kill thing. Both Welch and I have ask for data showing this is a significant issue.


I see where you moved on from this point but you never really gave a final word on the one punch kill thing. And I want to point out while it would be impossible to get hard exact numbers on the number of fights to see exactly what the stats are, we do have the ability to make some educated guesses.

Again just remember you are the one that brought up the one punch kills.

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The usual apologetics shit going on at Hemant's where his guest blogger approvingly quotes Shaun King to let those mean old 'Publican doodieheads have it.

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Oh and here is a balanced look at PETA.

http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader ... lspets.asp

Every PETA member I have meet have been a little unhinged but I haven't meet many.

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welch wrote:
Tigzy wrote:
welch wrote:Fucking PETA is just as evil.
How so? I know they're pretty damn ridiculous, but I'm not aware of them doing any really nasty shit. That said, ridiculous ideologues all too often turn out to be nasty ones as well, so I wouldn't be surprised to find some evil shit there as well. Links?
In this case I won't, but if you google for PETA Death Vans, you can see just how far they'll go and not even slightly care who likes it.

actually, no, don't do that. The details on that shit is beyond depressing. Basically, PETA, every so often, rents a van and goes around pretending to help get pets that people no longer want/can't take care of so they can "Take them to a good shelter". By which they mean, kill them in the back of the van, then throw the bodies in the nearest dumpster.

PETA is literally horrible.
Hmmm. Well I had a google on the death vans thing, and was glad to get Snopes' take on it (my generally trusted source on all things rumoury): http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader ... lspets.asp

It's clear there's some hysteria and elements of an urban panic about PETAs activities - however, PETA does appear to be a bit...iffy, to say the least. 'PETA has declined to comment' is certainly a recurring theme. There's frankly not enough there to make me trust them with the welfare of any animal.

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I'll be trying to answer some questions that keep coming up about my motives, intentions, attitudes and behavior in the Slyme Pit. I'm not sure how soon I'll be ready to post those. For now I just want to respond to a feeling some people might be having, that there's something disrespectful and insulting in my attitudes and behavior here.

I have the same feeling, that there's been something disrespectful and insulting in my attitudes and behavior here. I'm not sure yet what to do about that, but I thought I should at least acknowledge it.

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