The Refuge of the Toads

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

Some excerpts from Niki M's orbit:

The conclusion came to me in the wee hours of the evening: I want to shake Ms. Aleeyah’s hand. The exact one she used to knock this girl to the ground.

“But, but Niki!” I can already hear you tickity-tacking on your keyboard. “What about turning the other cheek and not answering violence with violence? Doesn’t this reaffirm the stereotype of black people being violent? No one should be hit for saying something froggy!”

And to you I say: Fuck. Off.

Hell, I’d even go so far as to consider any slur against a minority to be ‘fighting words‘. And yes, I’m making that distinction so that no, you can’t swing on someone for calling you a cracker, Basic Beckies reading this.

I see, so violence is an acceptable response to insult, so long as you have less privilege than the person doing the insulting. TAKE THAT BASIC BECKIES

That is a recipe for racial tension and creating Trumps and Steersman.

[Tigzy]

It is not likely that I would change my mind. Of course, if the tiny white girl had a possy that was stealing the black girls lunch money I would consider leniency.

Did you mean pussy?

/Google

She has a pussy that can steal lunch money?

Snatch and grab.

The best i have managed to do with mine is get it to fire a ping-pong ball

According to Boris Johnson, the old English term for ping-pong is 'whiff-whaff'.

[Xenu]

Longer video showing a bit more of the precursor to the punch

She certainly does call her a "nigga"

[deLurch]

So do we want to do a hangout/chat this week?

We should all meet up in a Baha'i Justice Building.

[comhcinc]

Longer video showing a bit more of the precursor to the punch

She certainly does call her a "nigga"

The white girl really needs to learn to recognize a threatening situation.

#victimblaming

[Really?]

Longer video showing a bit more of the precursor to the punch

She certainly does call her a "nigga"

I still side with the victim. She rides up with a posse to confront a smaller girl about something and beats the fuck out of her. When did we stop telling people sticks and stones?

[deLurch]

Longer video showing a bit more of the precursor to the punch

She certainly does call her a "nigga"

Ye 'old nigga/nigger trap. She can talk smack, but the other girl has to respect her boundaries.

[MarcusAu]

Another sighting of Mykeru in the wild:

He was on the Apostasy Now podcast talking with Dragonbeard / Cory - about all the usual subjects / suspects.

http://apostasynow.net/2016/03/18/anp-e ... der-siege/



nb Com - would love to do the call thing again. May I suggest Saturday evening sometime between 9pm - Midnight GMT?. Hopefully this will suit the antipodeans too.

Skype / Google - whatever suits you best.

[deLurch]

Longer video showing a bit more of the precursor to the punch

She certainly does call her a "nigga"

The white girl really needs to learn to recognize a threatening situation.

#victimblaming

Serves her right. Had she stayed home she wouldn't have been in this mess.

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

If she indeed did call her that. We don't know what actions either or both girls did before the video begins. But if she travelled to confront the white girl, there is premeditation. This isn't a instant emotional reaction. This was a calculated revenge. Not smart. The vast size difference doesn't help. Nor does continuing to wail on her when the other girl was down. That is crappy behavior guaranteed to inflame racial tensions. Like I said, switch the colors and guessing the reactions would be pretty easy.

Before we go any further I think it should be stated that at the end of the day this is teenage bullshit that we adults are probably over thinking.

Now, yes I would like to see what led up to this. I don't think just because someone has to travel makes it any less of an emotional reaction.

As for the size difference, this was a grudge match so weight limits doesn't matter. Also (and I am not saying this happened only a what if) if the skinny girl did all the trash talking and started this whole thing then maybe in the future she will pick her targets better.

You are right this will certainly inflame racial tensions but you can't hold these two kids at fault for that. It's us adults that are being assholes on the race shit.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... -sentences
http://www.nj.com/somerset/index.ssf/20 ... _says.html
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/new ... h-killing/
Just the top from a very cursory Google search.

If you think it's only adults being Assholes about race, wait until your kids get to High School. If the school is mixed race, you'll find it in *ahem* spades.

[Steersman]

So do we want to do a hangout/chat this week?

We should all meet up in a Baha'i Justice Building.

:lol: Though I'd check whether they pass around a collection plate.

But, BTW, en passant, maybe we've all seen the link to that "nigga" tweet and don't need to have it shown in its glory eleventy-seventy times more ....

[deLurch]

It didn't matter what that small girl said. The larger girl was going to find some justification to beat the shit out of her.

[Steersman]

So do we want to do a hangout/chat this week?

Can I come too, can I, huh, can I? Get to see the cool picture you have of me hanging in your home? You'll serve some grits to boot? ;-)

Not really interested though, even if I had the hardware set up to do so.

[comhcinc]

So do we want to do a hangout/chat this week?

Can I come too, can I, huh, can I? Get to see the cool picture you have of me hanging in your home? You'll serve some grits to boot? ;-)

Not really interested though, even if I had the hardware set up to do so.

As a long time member you are welcome but of course you are too chickenshit to show up.

[Old_ones]

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/11-15-2015/EdsHz-.gif

[comhcinc]

It didn't matter what that small girl said. The larger girl was going to find some justification to beat the shit out of her.

I don't know that is true but I would say that calling her a nigger after you have been in enough of a verbal fight for her to come to your house is not the brightest move.

[Old_ones]

(Apologies to Rhonda Rousey for the Gawker comparison. It begins and ends with similar circumstances.)

[jimhabegger]

If you are here to try an promote your religious building and the Baha'i faith here ...

... I would recommend starting a thread here:
viewforum.php?f=34

I considered that, and it looks to me like the best place for it, but I wasn't sure that people are welcome to choose that forum for themselves. Are they?

[Steersman]

So do we want to do a hangout/chat this week?

Can I come too, can I, huh, can I? Get to see the cool picture you have of me hanging in your home? You'll serve some grits to boot? ;-)

Not really interested though, even if I had the hardware set up to do so.

As a long time member you are welcome but of course you are too chickenshit to show up.

Given your tendency for petty, childish, or libelous accusations because you get your knickers in a twist, I wouldn't trust you as far as I could throw you.

[comhcinc]

Like I said. Chickenshit.

[Really?]

It didn't matter what that small girl said. The larger girl was going to find some justification to beat the shit out of her.

I highly suspect that the white savior SJWs who would support the aggressor have never been seriously bullied or mistreated. Watson, Quinn, Laci Green, Andrea Marcotte, et. al. have never been mistreated. Perhaps that is why they are so shocked when they are told that they suck.

[comhcinc]

(Apologies to Rhonda Rousey for the Gawker comparison. It begins and ends with similar circumstances.)

I thought it was very meta of you.

[Really?]

It didn't matter what that small girl said. The larger girl was going to find some justification to beat the shit out of her.

I don't know that is true but I would say that calling her a nigger after you have been in enough of a verbal fight for her to come to your house is not the brightest move.

But the victim couldn't call the police because #BlackLives Matter. She was in a no win situation.

[comhcinc]

It didn't matter what that small girl said. The larger girl was going to find some justification to beat the shit out of her.

I don't know that is true but I would say that calling her a nigger after you have been in enough of a verbal fight for her to come to your house is not the brightest move.

But the victim couldn't call the police because #BlackLives Matter. She was in a no win situation.

I am just saying no matter what had happened up to that point. If my daughter decided to drop the nigger bomb at that point I would tell her she got off lucking with the asswhooping she got.

Of course I am teaching all my children to be pro wrestlers so they know how to cut a better promo than that. This should never come up in my household.

[jimhabegger]

If you are here to try an promote your religious building ...

... I would recommend starting a thread here:
viewforum.php?f=34

If I'm welcome to start a new thread there, on my own initiative, I would need to hear that from an administrator.

[Steersman]

Like I said. Chickenshit.

Chuck you Farley.

[Kirbmarc]

It didn't matter what that small girl said. The larger girl was going to find some justification to beat the shit out of her.

I highly suspect that the white savior SJWs who would support the aggressor have never been seriously bullied or mistreated. Watson, Quinn, Laci Green, Andrea Marcotte, et. al. have never been mistreated. Perhaps that is why they are so shocked when they are told that they suck.

Not necessarily. Plenty of people who have been bullied turn out to be sensitive about insults, even too much.

Not everybody toughens up. Some people adopt the identity of a victim and wallow in their suffering-

[comhcinc]

Chickenshit.

[Keating]

When I was a kid I thought that all Canadian police officers were incredibly nice and dedicated but a bit uptight Mounties while all American cops were angry, sarcastic chain smokers with a hidden heart of gold.

I blame Due South.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... _photo.jpg

I love due South! But, remember that some of the worst villains in the series are Canadian.

[Billie from Ockham]

She certainly does call her a "nigga"

Exactly! She called her a "nigga," not a "nigger." I guess that this didn't happen in Jefferson County.

[youtube]9uvJzr0zZvk[/youtube]

[Billie from Ockham]

Ye 'old nigga/nigger trap. She can talk smack, but the other girl has to respect her boundaries.

:nin:

[comhcinc]

[youtube]5Owmb5Z5kl4[/youtube]

[Steersman]

But while I agreed with your earlier comments about metaphors and analogies, I'm not sure that you are really willing to consider that you too may have, probably do have, any number of highly questionable assumptions, not just on the question of Islam, but on many other issues. ..... Those interested in that analogy might take a gander at this paper for a start, particularly chapter 12 on forcing functions.

Oh, I'm pretty sure that I have plenty of assumptions, of various levels of credibility. Indeed I'll make a list of the few I'm aware about:

- a secular liberal democracy is the least intrusive and arguably the most forward social system

- traditional societies are destined to disappear since rural, isolated groups are more and more scarce and urbanization marches on

- intuitions and leaps of faith are a crapshoot: they can be right or wrong and there's no way of telling until you test them

- everything that exists can be studied and analyzed

...and many others I'm probably not even aware about. But what about you, Steers? Don't you think that you also have many assumptions? Don't you think that you should question your assumptions about the "nigger-cunt analogy" or about the deportation of Muslims, or about your rape app?

Yea, well I can certainly agree with many if not most of those assumptions of yours, particularly about "intuitions and leaps of faith". Although I think there's some justification for arguing that those of some people are generally or frequently better than those of other people.

And, somewhat apropos of which, while I'll readily concede that there are probably a few assumptions in my positions on those three issues, I don't see that you've actually proven that they're invalid or unjustified. And I think there's far more evidence for my positions than there is for yours - evidence that you rather clearly refuse to address.

[jimhabegger]

If you are here to try an promote your religious building ...

... I would recommend starting a thread here:
viewforum.php?f=34

If I'm welcome to start a new thread there, on my own initiative, I would need to hear that from an administrator.

Besides, I'm not sure my discussion would even be on topic there. I don't think I would be posting endless numbers of endless posts, about the same endless techniques, and I'm not sure there could be any consensus about that. That's why I think it would need to be an administrative decision.

[comhcinc]

If you are here to try an promote your religious building ...

... I would recommend starting a thread here:
viewforum.php?f=34

If I'm welcome to start a new thread there, on my own initiative, I would need to hear that from an administrator.

Besides, I'm not sure my discussion would even be on topic there. I don't think I would be posting endless numbers of endless posts, about the same endless techniques, and I'm not sure there could be any consensus about that. That's why I think it would need to be an administrative decision.

No go start your own thread and stay there.

[Steersman]

If you are here to try an promote your religious building ...

... I would recommend starting a thread here:
viewforum.php?f=34

If I'm welcome to start a new thread there, on my own initiative, I would need to hear that from an administrator.

Besides, I'm not sure my discussion would even be on topic there. I don't think I would be posting endless numbers of endless posts, about the same endless techniques, and I'm not sure there could be any consensus about that. That's why I think it would need to be an administrative decision.

You might check the permissions when you go to a thread or forum. If it says:

You can post new topics in this forum
You can reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You can post attachments in this forum

Or the equivalent, then choose the most appropriate forum or topic section and go for it - don't stand on ceremony, don't let dickheads try to impose their opinions or requirements.

[jimhabegger]

And the place I most wanted to avoid in these forums was this thread.

This thread being the only place people post ...

Exactly.

[deLurch]

If you are here to try an promote your religious building and the Baha'i faith here ...

... I would recommend starting a thread here:
viewforum.php?f=34

I considered that, and it looks to me like the best place for it, but I wasn't sure that people are welcome to choose that forum for themselves. Are they?

Of course they are. I started a thread there myself.

[Kirbmarc]

Yea, well I can certainly agree with many if not most of those assumptions of yours, particularly about "intuitions and leaps of faith". Although I think there's some justification for arguing that those of some people are generally or frequently better than those of other people.

Do you have a way of telling which people are better at intuitions and leaps of faith? Or do you just suppose that your

And, somewhat apropos of which, while I'll readily concede that there are probably a few assumptions in my positions on those three issues, I don't see that you've actually proven that they're invalid or unjustified. And I think there's far more evidence for my positions than there is for yours - evidence that you rather clearly refuse to address.

I've brought up plenty of evidence that the use of "nigger" is completely different from the use of "cunt". I've even posted the result of a corpus research about the matter.

You, on the other hand, only have your evidence-less "analogy" to support your theory, plus one paper which you have misunderstood (as I've shown quoting the paper) and the opinions of certain radfems/SJWs on the matter (and, as I've shown by linking to a Jezebel article, not even the opinion of all of them).

Let's recap. On my side:

-actual statistical evidence of differences in use between "nigger" and "cunt";

-actual evidence in context of different use (including evidence of widespread non-sexist use of "cunt" in entertainment, see KickAss and Game of Thrones);

-evidence that not even all radfems think that "cunt" is analogous to "nigger" (see the Jezebel article).

On your side:

-the Croom paper, which refers to reappropriation of racist slurs, not to analogies between racist slurs and "cunt";

-the Chris Rock video, which again is about reappropriation of "nigger", not an analogy with "cunt";

-the opinion of some radfems (which isn't evidence);

-a lot of rhetoric about analogies, spinning dancers and the like (again, not evidence).

It seems to me that one of us clearly refuses to address evidence, but it's not me.

[Xenu]

Meanwhile, at Niki's Orbit, there is only one comment, and it is this:
http://i.imgur.com/0FPFt5A.jpg

A white furry asking if it would be ok for white people to LINK to this blog post.

Niki, to her credit, graciously says that this would be ok.

[Scented Nectar]

Imagine a society sufficiently infested with people who behave in destructive ways because of certain beliefs? What would that look like? How would that affect say ... Skepticism?

Just a thought, but maybe, perchance, like most Muslim societies and cultures? As for what it would look like, might I suggest Pakistan where they refuse to condemn child marriage because it conflicts with the Quran and the sayings of the Prophet [piss on his name and all of his ilk], and where they condone and promote killing apostates and gays? You support that?

Since some muslims think drinking piss is holy (Mohammed drank some or something), might I suggest "dog piss be upon him" or maybe "pig piss be upon him"? Just to make sure they don't take it as praise or something. :D

[jimhabegger]

And the place I most wanted to avoid in these forums was this thread.

This thread is the Slymepit. It's free form and chaotic and that's why it's special.

I agree, and it does appeal to me. I enjoy the company, and I feel safer posting here, than I ever have in any other forum or discussion group except talk.religion.bahai.

Even so, for my discussion of community building with anyone who might be interested, I'd rather do it in one of the other forums. I just can't find any plausible way to say it's on topic in any of those.

[Xenu]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeGQs-DUIAIRn3-.jpg:large

[Billie from Ockham]

If you are here to try an promote your religious building ...

... I would recommend starting a thread here:
viewforum.php?f=34

If I'm welcome to start a new thread there, on my own initiative, I would need to hear that from an administrator.

Don't forget to hit alt-F4 before Submit, especially if it's a long post.

[jimhabegger]

If you are here to try an promote your religious building ...

... I would recommend starting a thread here:
viewforum.php?f=34

If I'm welcome to start a new thread there, on my own initiative, I would need to hear that from an administrator.

...

Besides, I'm not sure my discussion would even be on topic there. I don't think I would be posting endless numbers of endless posts, about the same endless techniques, and I'm not sure there could be any consensus about that. That's why I think it would need to be an administrative decision.

No go start your own thread and stay there.

Only if I'm advised to do so by Lsuoma, Skep tickle, Aneris, Brive1987, Gumby, or John Greg.

[welch]

I believe that's the bulk of it. I grew up in the suburbs in the north east U.S. Every single one of my inner circle friends was an atheist, and we'd have friendly, if sometimes heated, debates with the leaders at our church's youth group. The story is very different according friends of mine who grew up in the bible belt. Religion is fully entrenched in the culture there, and the phrase "coming out" is entirely apt. I know people, grown and with children of their own, who still won't tell their parents.

The internet means more and more of my culture coming into contact with theirs, and it allows kids with doubts to "meet" with like minds. It's prying open religion's death grip, and has made the conferences largely obsolete IMO (unless cons are your excuse to drink like a fish and increase your social standing in an ever shrinking and increasingly incestuous cesspool).

I grew up in the bible belt and those friends of yours just sound like pussies to me. When people talk aboot the south like this it just makes you look stupid.

Yeahhh...the truth of the bible belt is a bit more complex than people want it to be. It's fucked up, but it's not as simple as people pretend.

[welch]

The video in question.

that is a skinny white girl with no sense of how outclassed she is. Talk about your ego writing checks your skills can't cash.

[comhcinc]

Only if I'm advised to do so by Lsuoma, Skep tickle, Aneris, Brive1987, Gumby, or John Greg.

[youtube]tD4q3leE5Uw[/youtube]

[deLurch]

that is a skinny white girl with no sense of how outclassed she is. Talk about your ego writing checks your skills can't cash.

You don't back down from bullies. Otherwise they will keep on coming back for more.

Her prime mistake (had this not been video recorded) was to not be prepared for the punch & to fight back hard. Now if it was a friend of hers recording this, and she knew she could use the recording to put an end to this, then taking a few punches paid off for her.

[Scented Nectar]

You mean, what I mean by "walk in the path of God"? Roughly, what I mean by it is trying to learn to follow Baha'u'llah, or one of the other characters that He calls "Manifestations of God". Part of my way of doing that is studying Baha'i scriptures, trying to learn to love Him more, and to better understand His purposes and prescriptions and put them into practice.

LOL! You want to save us and convert us, don't you? I'll bet you mention your god nonsense in every post. Let's see from here on as I catch up here. :lol: :popcorn: :lol: :popcorn: :lol:

How badly to you have to piss off your priest/imam/minister/whatever that your penance is to try and convert a bunch of shit-talking atheists?

They must have gotten bored with his long screeds and sent him here. :lol:

[feathers]

Years ago, there was a black man in this area holding up petrol stations at gunpoint, wearing nothing by a stocking over his head. Apparently very few people could give a good description of his face, especially the women.

That must be a bollocks story.

[free thoughtpolice]

Gilliei still snivelling about being called a rape apologist:

giliell
March 21, 2016 at 6:38 am
270

Saad
Let’s see how long they like it there.
Honestly, I didn’t know that pointing out that there were no organised mass rapes (not that things weren’t bad enough as they are) suddenly makes you a rape apologist.

Of the hundreds of sexual assaults she claims two were rapes. Apparently there were a lot assaults carried out by digital penetration during the gropings. A lot of people would call that rape even if it doesn't qualify legally everywhere. From wikipedo:

Rape is a type of sexual assault usually involving sexual intercourse or other forms of sexual penetration perpetrated against a person without that person's consent.

One day they are calling sex with a woman whose blood alcohol is at .08% rape the next day they are going to narrow the definition of rape to preclude penetration with objects that are not penises? And to quibble even when groups are acting together to commit a crime it doesn't mean it's an organized action. Just imagine trying to pull that argument off on Thunderdome when you aren't one of them. Rape apologist would have been mild compared to the names you would be called amid the spitting, shaking, and crying.

[Michael J]

I was brought up thinking that violence is last resort and big kids do not pick on little kids. So without knowing the background all I can see that the Orbitards are cheering on violence and bullying. I don't think that this will be appreciated in the wider audience.

Also these are just kids and deserve nothing worse than being grounded for while.

[feathers]

Years ago, there was a black man in this area holding up petrol stations at gunpoint, wearing nothing by a stocking over his head. Apparently very few people could give a good description of his face, especially the women.

So do we want to do a hangout/chat this week?

HOLD IT RIGHT THERE! :shock:

[free thoughtpolice]

that is a skinny white girl with no sense of how outclassed she is. Talk about your ego writing checks your skills can't cash.

You don't back down from bullies. Otherwise they will keep on coming back for more.

Her prime mistake (had this not been video recorded) was to not be prepared for the punch & to fight back hard. Now if it was a friend of hers recording this, and she knew she could use the recording to put an end to this, then taking a few punches paid off for her.

I'm with you on this.
I'm willing to bet that if the whole story of this were out it wouldn't be the first time Aaliyah pulled that shit. The fact that her parents tossed her out might be a bit of a hint to that.
It's a bit surprising that you and Commie seem to be siding with that bully thug.

[jimhabegger]

May I infer, Jim, that when your "study circles" get together, the meetings are either the entire fucking weekend or only one person speaks at a given meeting?

Weekends sometimes, but more often sessions of a few hours, anywhere from one to seven days a week, according to whatever the participants can agree on. It's training for community service, and I think that concentrating too much of it into one long session makes it less effective.

I've never seen or heard of only one person speaking at a given meeting. I'm not sure that would even be possible.

[feathers]

It didn't matter what that small girl said. The larger girl was going to find some justification to beat the shit out of her.

Objection y'r honour. Speculation.

[comhcinc]

that is a skinny white girl with no sense of how outclassed she is. Talk about your ego writing checks your skills can't cash.

You don't back down from bullies. Otherwise they will keep on coming back for more.

It is often wise to back down from bullies. Lots of bullies are bullies because they are very good at beating the shit out of people.

[welch]

Shit comhcinc - You don't even make sense today. Are you okay? I have lots of relatives in the western part of Virginia, Kentucky, and southern Indiana. Them folks are way different than northerners, or westerners, or easterners. Hell, when you go for a job interview in Kentucky they first ask you what church you go to. When you even mention you are an atheist they accuse you of being a Satanist. and... they really do think that there is Sharia law in Dearborn Michigan. Sure you can find this kind of crap anywhere to some extent, but claiming the south is not "special" is just plain wrong.

because it's not "the south" as some kind of monolithic whole. I live in Tallahassee, which is in an area somewhat humorously called the "Belt Buckle of the Bible Belt", aka "South Georgia". Number of times in an interview I've been asked what church do I go to? Zero.

Does that shit happen? Absolutely it does, but not everywhere in the Belt and not constantly. Shit, some of the places you're trying to make out as naught but a hive of snake-handlers are anything but. (Jacksonville, while not AtheismVille, is hardly Land O' Falwell)

The Bible Belt is a surprisingly complicated place, and most people, when talking to northerners, just give them the answer they want, because it saves time. It's like trying to explain Florida.

[Billie from Ockham]

Years ago, there was a black man in this area holding up petrol stations at gunpoint, wearing nothing by a stocking over his head. Apparently very few people could give a good description of his face, especially the women.

That must be a bollocks story.

No, it's true. Case ended with a well-hung jury.