The Refuge of the Toads

#12721

Kirbmarc gets all the crazies.

Must be that sexy forehead.

#12722

mike150160, it happens to the best of us. I should know, it even happens to me.

#12723

Don't you have grandchildren to annoy shithead?

#12724

d4m10n wrote:Don't call the cops you guys.

Mental health workers aren't equipped to deal with people that are decompensating and behaving in a violent manner. That's why they send the cops.
By the sounds of it Elyse is doing poorly.

#12725

jimhabegger wrote:mike150160, it happens to the best of us. I should know, it even happens to me.

You're talking about the wanking?

#12726

d4m10n wrote:Don't call the cops you guys.

Here's some better fucking advice: Don't take mental health tips from the mentally ill.

#12727

jimhabegger wrote:Kirbmarc, go back through this thread, looking for metaphors, and then see if you still think it would better to never use metaphors.

Agreed. Without metaphors, my calling you an ass would have no meaning.

#12728

Billie from Ockham wrote:
jimhabegger wrote:Kirbmarc, go back through this thread, looking for metaphors, and then see if you still think it would better to never use metaphors.
Agreed. Without metaphors, my calling you an ass would have no meaning.

That wasn't one of the examples I had in mind, but thank you anyway.

#12729

d4m10n wrote:Don't call the cops you guys.

Is that THE Alison Smith in the comments? I've not linked her with the Melody/Elyse set before.

#12730

jimhabegger wrote:
Billie from Ockham wrote:Agreed. Without metaphors, my calling you an ass would have no meaning.
That wasn't one of the examples I had in mind, but thank you anyway.

If you were better at this, your reply would have mentioned the synecdoche option.

#12731

comhcinc wrote:The thing about finger prints is they don't work like they do on cop shows. Most surfaces either don't get get prints or get so many that it's impossible to get a clear match.

It's also turning out they're kind of shit, because the thing that decides if a fingerprint is a match is a human. And they're not as good as people want them to be, and the science behind it is rather weak:

http://www.pnas.org/content/108/19/7733.full.pdf
http://scholarlycommons.law.northwester ... kingpapers
http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... rints-sim/
http://www.psmag.com/politics-and-law/b ... st-up-3629

#12732

jimhabegger wrote:Kirbmarc, I do think it's a good exercise to try to say the same things without the metaphors, periodically. That's been one of the benefits for me in following atheist blogs and discussions. It stimulates me to try to explain to myself what I'm doing, without the God metaphors.

Metaphors are a fascinating subject to cognitive scientists, too. Atheists often go too far with dismissing information because it's deemed metaphorical. You'll find writing on this here, when you search, but the short version is: humans create metaphorical analogies all the time to understand some circumstance. The poetic metaphors are merely a subset of that, but serve a similar purpose. The interesting thing is: what is the referent "out there" in reality. Is the metaphor really referring to something, is it:

...a way to grasp that thing, which seems to lie at the core of cognition.
... or merely wordplay, deepity etc. ("Love is Just A Word"),
... or referring to wishful thinking not supported by anything

Metaphors aren't the problem, but wordplay and wishful thinking are where religious claims break down. For example, when theologians say that Adam & Eve were meant metaphorical: then what exactly (which referent = real thing, in reality "out there") do they represent, and more importantly, how do these theologians know this?

#12733

feathers wrote:Don't ask where this is coming from. My guess would be "Germany?".

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-x ... e=57931FC5

I doth see what thou didst there.jpg: (121.67 KiB) Downloaded 203 times

#12734

d4m10n wrote:
Steersman wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:I hope for no evil to befall danielle. And when I consider his gender confusion and attempted transition, I am filled with equal measure sadness and mirth.

So shoot me.
Only if I catch you breaking into my home. In Florida. ;-)
You're in Florida? ;)

Good news!

Goddamnit

#12735

Cainaji is getting a new family:

http://i.imgur.com/hZGax3w.png

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... icity.html

#12736

I feel somewhat sympathetic to the position of jimhabegger. He is correct that most of us need myth and metaphors to live a full life. Of course, I exclude racist, robotic cunts like Steersman (Piss Be Upon Him and His Rusted Diodes).

I have always been fascinated by messianic Islamic movements, specially those rooted Shi'a theology. Perhaps its my own background of having been raised in a deeply religious Isamaili family.

For example, I find the person of The Bab absolutely fascinating. At the young age of 24 he started preaching a messianic message which caused chaos and havoc among the traditional clergy in Iran, and, in six years he brought the whole monarchy nearly to its knees. As is the fate of all such "heretics" he was martyred at the age of 30. The Babi's (or, more accurately, the Bayanis) continued to exist, despite the efforts of the authorities to completely wipe them off, and then the terrible internal strife created by Bahaullah, who killed off the rest of the remaining top Babi leadership. Despite this, and strikingly even with their small numbers, the Bayanis were instrumental in the Iranian Constitutional Revolution. Hamid Dabashi has some choice things to say about the Baha'is in his books on Shi'a revolutionary theology. This was before Dabashi proved himself to be a Western Islamic academic-lackey, most of them beholden to the Salafi/Takfiri Saudis, in his recent op-ed about Iran.

I have always enjoyed religious devotional music, even if I actually no longer believe. For example, Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan's music devoted to the successor of the prophet, Ali, is particulary good. Incidentally, even though distinctly Islamic, such music is enjoyed by both Muslims and Hindus on the Indian subcontinent. More recently, I have started listening to Persian music, in particular, from the Nimatullahi Sufi order (and other orders). For me, such music goes beyond simply "enjoyment". It tends to push me into particular "ecstatic" states.

I must admit, that its very difficult for most Westerners to understand the cultural milieu of say Iran or India/Pakistan. It almost as if a particular organ of cognition is missing, and often the effort to explain what one finds extraordinary in these cultures is like trying to describe subtle colors of a sunset to a blind man. Some success towards this has been, for example, in translation of the poetry of Rumi or Fariduddin Attar. However, these poems are almost invariable misunderstood and the subtle meaning of highly specialized Sufi vocabulary used by these Sufi poets gets lost. Their depth is probably lost to most people not raised in those cultures.

Incidentally, I should say that the curse of mankind, the Evil Triumvirate of Salafi/Wahabbi/Takfiri forms of Islam are distinctly opposite and not mystical and very much about the here-and-now, despite all the apparent indications to the contrary. In fact, I should say they are fully material, in many ways paralleling Western materialism, even though of course couched in religious language. One can see this in the extreme emphasis on meting out horrific punishment in the most public and brutal manner possible. Another indication of this is the absurd emphasis on external show of religious piety, including wearing hijaab, for example, or behaving in a very particular way based on some narrow understanding the prophetic biography. This is not unlike the Western colonial projects of decimating and strong-arming everyone into subjugation for material profit, and the emphasis on material possessions as the most important marker of success.

In any case, sorry for the long rant. I usually find I have nothing to say about SJW drama and so am content to just read and chuckle along. Continue with the usual program of laughing at the Orbitards, The Bearded Lady of Athesim, and other assorted retards.

PS: This anal obsession by some, in particular Kibmark and Aneris, to "understand" everything is very, very funny. To me, at least. Look, I am a physicist, and I understand the need to explain and understand. However, I do physics. Not talk about the habits of physicists and the details of their social interactions. In the same way, certain things need to be experienced and not simply dissected into lists and banal "explanations". As I said, some simply miss the cognitive organs, and when I read their long, and frankly, boring "analysis", I often can't help but laugh. Of course, one should feel free to indulge in what one likes, but often its best to experience than dissect.

#12737

d4m10n wrote:Don't call the cops you guys.

She's not completely wrong about how badly cops handle mental illness issues. They are remarkably shit at it, because they are trained to be shit at it. Calling 911 for someone being suicidal runs an excellent chance of making the suicidal issue moot via death by cop.

#12738

I'm not great at dividing 100 by 2 repeatedly, but I've still never landed on 1.5. Is that because I'm not native American?

#12739

Steve Novella, last SGU

"But I always like to be charitable about what people write"

:bjarte:

#12740

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:Cainaji is getting a new family:

http://i.imgur.com/hZGax3w.png

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... icity.html

So because one of this girls's great-great-great-great grandparents was Choctaw, she's some sort of communal property?

That is beyond fucked up.

#12741

welch wrote:
d4m10n wrote:Don't call the cops you guys.
She's not completely wrong about how badly cops handle mental illness issues. They are remarkably shit at it, because they are trained to be shit at it. Calling 911 for someone being suicidal runs an excellent chance of making the suicidal issue moot via death by cop.

She is not completely wrong but from reading what she said I get the feeling that her family is getting known to being trouble for the cops.

There is people with mental health issues and then there are cunts. Sometimes they are the same people.

#12742

100, 50, 25, 12.5, 6.25, 3.125, 1.5625 would be one great great great great grandparent.

#12743

Aneris wrote:
jimhabegger wrote:Kirbmarc, I do think it's a good exercise to try to say the same things without the metaphors, periodically. That's been one of the benefits for me in following atheist blogs and discussions. It stimulates me to try to explain to myself what I'm doing, without the God metaphors.
Metaphors are a fascinating subject to cognitive scientists, too. Atheists often go too far with dismissing information because it's deemed metaphorical. You'll find writing on this here, when you search, but the short version is: humans create metaphorical analogies all the time to understand some circumstance. The poetic metaphors are merely a subset of that, but serve a similar purpose. The interesting thing is: what is the referent "out there" in reality. Is the metaphor really referring to something, is it:

...a way to grasp that thing, which seems to lie at the core of cognition.

... or merely wordplay, deepity etc. ("Love is Just A Word"),

... or referring to wishful thinking not supported by anything
Metaphors aren't the problem, but wordplay and wishful thinking are where religious claims break down. For example, when theologians say that Adam & Eve were meant metaphorical: then what exactly (which referent = real thing, in reality "out there") do they represent, and more importantly, how do these theologians know this?

I've found the following paper to have an interesting perspective on metaphors in understanding stuff.

Newell, B (2012). Simple models, powerful ideas: towards effective integrative practice. Global Environmental Change 22: 776-783.

Disclaimer - it's written by a friend of mine.

#12744

comhcinc wrote:
welch wrote:
d4m10n wrote:Don't call the cops you guys.
She's not completely wrong about how badly cops handle mental illness issues. They are remarkably shit at it, because they are trained to be shit at it. Calling 911 for someone being suicidal runs an excellent chance of making the suicidal issue moot via death by cop.

She is not completely wrong but from reading what she said I get the feeling that her family is getting known to being trouble for the cops.

There is people with mental health issues and then there are cunts. Sometimes they are the same people.

The intersection is significant. Elyse is a cunt, but the people who should have been helping her the most, i.e. her fucking husband et al, seemed to have done the atheist version of "thoughts and prayers" and now that it's gotten quite bad are reaping the rewards of that inaction.

#12745

fuzzy wrote:100, 50, 25, 12.5, 6.25, 3.125, 1.5625 would be one great great great great grandparent.

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-58615-Ch ... m-IvKX.gif

#12746

Aneris! Yay! I was hoping I'd hear from you! If I get nothing else out of posting here, this will make it all worthwhile.

I love this analysis.

Aneris wrote:
jimhabegger wrote:Kirbmarc, I do think it's a good exercise to try to say the same things without the metaphors, periodically. That's been one of the benefits for me in following atheist blogs and discussions. It stimulates me to try to explain to myself what I'm doing, without the God metaphors.
Metaphors are a fascinating subject to cognitive scientists, too. Atheists often go too far with dismissing information because it's deemed metaphorical. You'll find writing on this here, when you search, but the short version is: humans create metaphorical analogies all the time to understand some circumstance. The poetic metaphors are merely a subset of that, but serve a similar purpose. The interesting thing is: what is the referent "out there" in reality. Is the metaphor really referring to something, is it:

...a way to grasp that thing, which seems to lie at the core of cognition.

... or merely wordplay, deepity etc. ("Love is Just A Word"),

... or referring to wishful thinking not supported by anything
Metaphors aren't the problem, but wordplay and wishful thinking are where religious claims break down. For example, when theologians say that Adam & Eve were meant metaphorical: then what exactly (which referent = real thing, in reality "out there") do they represent, and more importantly, how do these theologians know this?

#12747

Billie from Ockham wrote:I'm not great at dividing 100 by 2 repeatedly, but I've still never landed on 1.5. Is that because I'm not native American?

Could be you're casinophobic. :think:

#12748

Really? wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:Which pillow fort? There's a veritable nerf maginot line these days.
http://the-orbit.net/progpub/2016/03/14 ... /#comments
[Urghh] comments 251 and 259 [urghh]
The orbit's pages are too cluttered. They need more white space between comments and everywhere else.

Why the spaces gotta be white?

#12749

welch wrote:
The intersection is significant. Elyse is a cunt, but the people who should have been helping her the most, i.e. her fucking husband et al, seemed to have done the atheist version of "thoughts and prayers" and now that it's gotten quite bad are reaping the rewards of that inaction.

I can't blame anyone other than Elyse. I think a lot of times those that are close can not help. They can try but if the cunt doesn't want to change the you are stuck with either leaving that person or staying around for the ride trying to reduce the damage.

#12750

comhcinc wrote:
welch wrote:
The intersection is significant. Elyse is a cunt, but the people who should have been helping her the most, i.e. her fucking husband et al, seemed to have done the atheist version of "thoughts and prayers" and now that it's gotten quite bad are reaping the rewards of that inaction.
I can't blame anyone other than Elyse. I think a lot of times those that are close can not help. They can try but if the cunt doesn't want to change the you are stuck with either leaving that person or staying around for the ride trying to reduce the damage.

Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Six million times is a pattern of behavior.

#12751

H. Korban, I enjoyed this a lot. I see a lot to agree with, and it gave me some good laughs.

H. Korban wrote:I feel somewhat sympathetic to the position of jimhabegger. He is correct that most of us need myth and metaphors to live a full life. Of course, I exclude racist, robotic cunts like Steersman (Piss Be Upon Him and His Rusted Diodes).

I have always been fascinated by messianic Islamic movements, specially those rooted Shi'a theology. Perhaps its my own background of having been raised in a deeply religious Isamaili family.

For example, I find the person of The Bab absolutely fascinating. At the young age of 24 he started preaching a messianic message which caused chaos and havoc among the traditional clergy in Iran, and, in six years he brought the whole monarchy nearly to its knees. As is the fate of all such "heretics" he was martyred at the age of 30. The Babi's (or, more accurately, the Bayanis) continued to exist, despite the efforts of the authorities to completely wipe them off, and then the terrible internal strife created by Bahaullah, who killed off the rest of the remaining top Babi leadership. Despite this, and strikingly even with their small numbers, the Bayanis were instrumental in the Iranian Constitutional Revolution. Hamid Dabashi has some choice things to say about the Baha'is in his books on Shi'a revolutionary theology. This was before Dabashi proved himself to be a Western Islamic academic-lackey, most of them beholden to the Salafi/Takfiri Saudis, in his recent op-ed about Iran.

I have always enjoyed religious devotional music, even if I actually no longer believe. For example, Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan's music devoted to the successor of the prophet, Ali, is particulary good. Incidentally, even though distinctly Islamic, such music is enjoyed by both Muslims and Hindus on the Indian subcontinent. More recently, I have started listening to Persian music, in particular, from the Nimatullahi Sufi order (and other orders). For me, such music goes beyond simply "enjoyment". It tends to push me into particular "ecstatic" states.

I must admit, that its very difficult for most Westerners to understand the cultural milieu of say Iran or India/Pakistan. It almost as if a particular organ of cognition is missing, and often the effort to explain what one finds extraordinary in these cultures is like trying to describe subtle colors of a sunset to a blind man. Some success towards this has been, for example, in translation of the poetry of Rumi or Fariduddin Attar. However, these poems are almost invariable misunderstood and the subtle meaning of highly specialized Sufi vocabulary used by these Sufi poets gets lost. Their depth is probably lost to most people not raised in those cultures.

Incidentally, I should say that the curse of mankind, the Evil Triumvirate of Salafi/Wahabbi/Takfiri forms of Islam are distinctly opposite and not mystical and very much about the here-and-now, despite all the apparent indications to the contrary. In fact, I should say they are fully material, in many ways paralleling Western materialism, even though of course couched in religious language. One can see this in the extreme emphasis on meting out horrific punishment in the most public and brutal manner possible. Another indication of this is the absurd emphasis on external show of religious piety, including wearing hijaab, for example, or behaving in a very particular way based on some narrow understanding the prophetic biography. This is not unlike the Western colonial projects of decimating and strong-arming everyone into subjugation for material profit, and the emphasis on material possessions as the most important marker of success.

In any case, sorry for the long rant. I usually find I have nothing to say about SJW drama and so am content to just read and chuckle along. Continue with the usual program of laughing at the Orbitards, The Bearded Lady of Athesim, and other assorted retards.

PS: This anal obsession by some, in particular Kibmark and Aneris, to "understand" everything is very, very funny. To me, at least. Look, I am a physicist, and I understand the need to explain and understand. However, I do physics. Not talk about the habits of physicists and the details of their social interactions. In the same way, certain things need to be experienced and not simply dissected into lists and banal "explanations". As I said, some simply miss the cognitive organs, and when I read their long, and frankly, boring "analysis", I often can't help but laugh. Of course, one should feel free to indulge in what one likes, but often its best to experience than dissect.

#12752

Really? wrote:Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Six million times is a pattern of behavior.

Yep and what I am saying that sometimes you see that pattern and there is shit all you can do aboot it.

It's a bad place to be in and I feel sorry for anyone having to deal with it.

#12753

Billie from Ockham wrote:I'm not great at dividing 100 by 2 repeatedly, but I've still never landed on 1.5. Is that because I'm not native American?

That's easy. round it to the nearest integer, using the nearest even digit rule for 5, every time except the last.

#12754

I have good money that, if he keeps it up, shithead will be joining steerler near the top of the ignore list.

#12755

New WoW in 3...2...1...

World number one Novak Djokovic has questioned equal prize money in tennis, suggesting men should get better awards as they have more spectators.

Also:

Earlier, Indian Wells Tennis Garden CEO Raymond Moore said the women's WTA Tour "ride on the coat-tails of the men".

#12756

jimhabegger wrote:H. Korban, I enjoyed this a lot. I see a lot to agree with, and it gave me some good laughs.

H. Korban wrote:I feel somewhat sympathetic to the position of jimhabegger. He is correct that most of us need myth and metaphors to live a full life. Of course, I exclude racist, robotic cunts like Steersman (Piss Be Upon Him and His Rusted Diodes). ....

As I said, some simply miss the cognitive organs, and when I read their long, and frankly, boring "analysis", I often can't help but laugh. Of course, one should feel free to indulge in what one likes, but often its best to experience than dissect.

Welcome aboard - or back - and all that. But it's generally frowned upon here to quote long screeds of other people and then add nothing more that "+1 Internets", or "good show" or the like. Standard operating procedure - though some others are dicks about following it - is to quote no more than is necessary to provide necessary context.

#12757

comhcinc wrote:
Really? wrote:Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Six million times is a pattern of behavior.
Yep and what I am saying that sometimes you see that pattern and there is shit all you can do aboot it.

It's a bad place to be in and I feel sorry for anyone having to deal with it.

That happens, but based on what I've seen, The Lone Enabler did nothing but nothing until things were so far out of whack that nothing would really help.

That's like never changing the oil in your car until it starts actively dying, then adding a quart and being upset it didn't fix all the problems.

#12758

Steersman wrote:Standard operating procedure <snip> is to quote no more than is necessary to provide necessary context.

Thank you.

#12759

comhcinc wrote:I have good money that, if he keeps it up, shithead will be joining steerler near the top of the ignore list.

I disagree... I kinda like Jim the "shithead". Now... if he likes wrasling and enjoys the mythological symbolism in the characters of WWF.... well... fuck.... what will you say then?

#12760

welch wrote:
d4m10n wrote:
Steersman wrote:[.quote="Brive1987"]I hope for no evil to befall danielle. And when I consider his gender confusion and attempted transition, I am filled with equal measure sadness and mirth.

So shoot me.[/.quote]

Only if I catch you breaking into my home. In Florida. ;-)
You're in Florida? ;)

Good news!
Goddamnit

:lol: Face it Welch, you just don't like me - to quote your earlier comment to me. ;-)

But you're safe, I'm safe, as I'm way up in BC, Canada - as indicated on my Twitter page. Although, in passing, I thought it was kind of clear that that my "if" extended to the location - "if my home was in Florida" - but I guess not.

#12761

Scented Nectar wrote:
Ape+lust wrote:Nobody was happy with my answer :cry:

And of course, when the discussion turns to particle physics, the only useful info from me is how many octopuses I've fucked :lol:

I'll say again -- I've learned a thing or two from watching the old buzzard.

http://imgur.com/TFGJTky.jpg
I think what PZ is saying, is that he wants the tentacles up his ass. I mean, if he can't stick his dick in its beak, what the hell else can he do with it? :moon: :goatse:

http://imgur.com/Tu1eMGW.jpg

#12762

welch wrote:
comhcinc wrote:
Really? wrote:Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Six million times is a pattern of behavior.
Yep and what I am saying that sometimes you see that pattern and there is shit all you can do aboot it.

It's a bad place to be in and I feel sorry for anyone having to deal with it.
That happens, but based on what I've seen, The Lone Enabler did nothing but nothing until things were so far out of whack that nothing would really help.

That's like never changing the oil in your car until it starts actively dying, then adding a quart and being upset it didn't fix all the problems.

First off, don't badmouth my car care methods ;)

From what has been shown here it does appear that in the case of this cunt the husband was actually enjoying the ride until it was too late, but who knows.

#12763

John D wrote:
comhcinc wrote:I have good money that, if he keeps it up, shithead will be joining steerler near the top of the ignore list.
I disagree... I kinda like Jim the "shithead". Now... if he likes wrasling and enjoys the mythological symbolism in the characters of WWF.... well... fuck.... what will you say then?

From what I have read I doubt shithead owns a tv and I bet his is proud of it.

Secondly meh lots of shitheads are wrestling fans.

#12764

https://www.lewdgamer.com/2016/03/18/pe ... oft-party/

At this week’s GDC, Microsoft has given people something new to be angry about: During an event party that took place during the convention, scantily clad women were employed to spice things up a little.

It pays to be outraged; quite literally, at times. There are people out there who make a living from their outrage, often inviting criticism upon themselves to further fuel their support. It’s a lucrative business, and it’s one that has seemingly blown up over the last few years. “Outrage Culture”, as it’s now known, is the idea that people are easily offended by anything. In its worst interpretation, it surmises that people will even go looking for something to be outraged by, lest the asylum go silent for just but a moment.

The asylum is never too quiet though, as there’s always something for someone to meltdown over. In recent years, fierce criticism of “booth babes”, girls who are employed to attract attention or display a product, has caused a lot of drama. It has resulted in a downward trend of their appearance at conferences, ironically reducing the amount of work these women can now find. Booth babes are now back in the spotlight, as it seems Microsoft have forgotten their place under the thumb.

Yes that is a NSFW site. Better than the Mary Sue.

#12765

Makes me want to buy an Xbox ONE.

#12766

Ape+lust wrote:
http://imgur.com/Tu1eMGW.jpg

That is near perfect work.

You should be proud of that.

#12767

Steersman wrote:
jimhabegger wrote:H. Korban, I enjoyed this a lot. I see a lot to agree with, and it gave me some good laughs.

H. Korban wrote:I feel somewhat sympathetic to the position of jimhabegger. He is correct that most of us need myth and metaphors to live a full life. Of course, I exclude racist, robotic cunts like Steersman (Piss Be Upon Him and His Rusted Diodes). ....

As I said, some simply miss the cognitive organs, and when I read their long, and frankly, boring "analysis", I often can't help but laugh. Of course, one should feel free to indulge in what one likes, but often its best to experience than dissect.
Welcome aboard - or back - and all that. But it's generally frowned upon here to quote long screeds of other people and then add nothing more that "+1 Internets", or "good show" or the like. Standard operating procedure - though some others are dicks about following it - is to quote no more than is necessary to provide necessary context.

+1

#12768

comhcinc wrote:
welch wrote:
The intersection is significant. Elyse is a cunt, but the people who should have been helping her the most, i.e. her fucking husband et al, seemed to have done the atheist version of "thoughts and prayers" and now that it's gotten quite bad are reaping the rewards of that inaction.
I can't blame anyone other than Elyse. I think a lot of times those that are close can not help. They can try but if the cunt doesn't want to change the you are stuck with either leaving that person or staying around for the ride trying to reduce the damage.

Yeah, double this. She's a domineering asshole who comandeers every situation to make it all about her. And when it goes twisted, everyone catches blame but Elyse. She's just a high-maintenance brat.

She wants to cry about the cops who saved her from doing what killed her sister? Good. She should cry louder. Maybe a judge will institutionalize her for a while.

#12769

comhcinc wrote:
Ape+lust wrote:
http://imgur.com/Tu1eMGW.jpg

That is near perfect work.

You should be proud of that.

Awesome. Thank you, comhcinc! :dance: :D

#12770

Steersman wrote: :lol: Face it Welch, you just don't like me - to quote your earlier comment to me. ;-)

You just now figured that out?

#12771

welch wrote:
Steersman wrote: :lol: Face it Welch, you just don't like me - to quote your earlier comment to me. ;-)
You just now figured that out?

No, not until you responded to it. :o

#12772

comhcinc wrote:
welch wrote:
comhcinc wrote: Yep and what I am saying that sometimes you see that pattern and there is shit all you can do aboot it.

It's a bad place to be in and I feel sorry for anyone having to deal with it.
That happens, but based on what I've seen, The Lone Enabler did nothing but nothing until things were so far out of whack that nothing would really help.

That's like never changing the oil in your car until it starts actively dying, then adding a quart and being upset it didn't fix all the problems.

First off, don't badmouth my car care methods ;)

From what has been shown here it does appear that in the case of this cunt the husband was actually enjoying the ride until it was too late, but who knows.

They say "don't stick your dick in the crazy" but they leave off that until shit gets too much, it's a hell of a fun, albeit stressful ride. Crazy makes for some interesting times.

Then you've got a kid who's now old enough to think the crazy ride is also fun, but for different reasons and you realize that oh shit, you're the only adult in the picture and you've been slacking the fuck off for so long you can't even half-ass doing it correctly.

#12773

comhcinc wrote:Makes me want to buy an Xbox ONE.

you mean an XBone.

#12774

welch wrote:
comhcinc wrote:Makes me want to buy an Xbox ONE.
you mean an XBone.

Can...can it do that?

#12775

Commie wrote:

First off, don't badmouth my car care methods ;)

They should have used guac! :burn: :drool: :burn: :drool: :roll: :cry:

#12776

H. Korban wrote:I feel somewhat sympathetic to the position of jimhabegger. He is correct that most of us need myth and metaphors to live a full life. Of course, I exclude racist, robotic cunts like Steersman (Piss Be Upon Him and His Rusted Diodes). ....

:o :lol: Must have scored a bull's-eye or close to it to have produced that response. ;-)

But I have no problem with myth and metaphor - as a matter of fact I've been championing things like the Clergy Letter Project for some time - a group of Christians and Jews, though no Muslims, who have explicitly argued for a metaphorical interpretation of their faiths. Although I periodically wonder how they manage that as it seems tailor-made for cognitive dissonance.

But what I object to is the fact that far too many Muslims, in particular, insist on a literal interpretation of the Quran. And not just some passages but in the claim that it was literally written by gawd hisself, or dictated to Muhammad (piss be upon his name and his ilk) by the angel Gabriel. Which makes it rather difficult for many if not most Muslims to even consider the manifest fact that the Quran is largely a steaming pile of mephitic horseshit.

And apropos of which, you might consider this from Hume, quoted in Warraq's Why I'm Not a Muslim:

"[The Koran is a] wild and absurd performance. Let us attend to his [Muhammad's] narration; and we shall soon find that he bestows praise on such instances of treachery, inhumanity, cruelty, revenge, and bigotry as are utterly incompatible with civilized society. No steady rule of right seems there to be attended to; and every action is blamed or praised, so far only as it is beneficial or hurtful to the true believers," ....

And the following tweet from a Pakistani-Canadian ex-Muslim Doctor, Ali Rizvi, kind of nails the issue, although he's apparently about to publish a book titled "Atheist Muslim" which seems a bit of an oxymoron:

Which kind of makes "moderate" Muslims complicit in the barbarisms of nominal Islamists.

As for the entirely unevidenced and untenable accusation of "racist", I wonder if you even know what the word means, and simply have your knickers in a twist because it's your ox that is being gored. For one thing, "Muslim" isn't a race. And for another, I haven't attacked all Muslims; only those who insist on promoting a literal interpretation of the Quran and all of the odious consequences that follow from that position.

#12777

comhcinc wrote:
welch wrote:
Steersman wrote: :lol: Face it Welch, you just don't like me - to quote your earlier comment to me. ;-)
You just now figured that out?
No, not until you responded to it. :o

Steerzo doesn't do well with ambiguity.

I'm a helper!

#12778

welch wrote:
Steersman wrote: :lol: Face it Welch, you just don't like me - to quote your earlier comment to me. ;-)
You just now figured that out?

Water off a duck's back either way - been that way from day one; just suggesting that you let your spleen get the better of your brain.

#12779

welch wrote:
Steerzo doesn't do well with ambiguity.

I'm a helper!

I swear if you were to send him a private message right now, even after seeing this, and you told him you were just joking and you really like him, he would believe you.

#12780

comhcinc wrote:
welch wrote:
Steerzo doesn't do well with ambiguity.

I'm a helper!

I swear if you were to send him a private message right now, even after seeing this, and you told him you were just joking and you really like him, he would believe you.

I'd never do that. My dislike is the most precious gift anyone could give him. It means anything I say that doesn't agree with him has no possible validity, it's just my dislike of him talking. It lets him ignore countering viewpoints sans even reading them, and he gets to feel superior.

The ungrateful fuck should be sending me Elbow Chocolates as a thank you for doing that for him.