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Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 4:13 am
by Spike13
http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2016 ... es_an.html

Islamaphobia sinks to a new low.

I can understand a fathers grief, but this shit is just stupid.

Four days of searching and divers risking their lives in frigid, dangerous waters aren't enough.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 4:19 am
by Pitchguest
I hope you guys don't mind the blog like posts. I find it helps talking about it with friends. Typing it out is also oddly therapeutic. If you want me to take it to a separate thread or PM, let me know.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 4:26 am
by Spike13
Pitchguest wrote:I hope you guys don't mind the blog like posts. I find it helps talking about it with friends. Typing it out is also oddly therapeutic. If you want me to take it to a separate thread or PM, let me know.
Never a problem, although I do look forward to the post where you tell us that your dad is in full remission and doing well.

We do have pretty big hearts for a bunch of " hyper-critical" assholes.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 4:31 am
by Spike13
Any new news on the Reason Rally?

Wondering if the lunatics are applying any pressure to get some their favorites to podium.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 4:32 am
by Phil_Giordana_FCD
Pitchguest wrote:I hope you guys don't mind the blog like posts. I find it helps talking about it with friends. Typing it out is also oddly therapeutic. If you want me to take it to a separate thread or PM, let me know.
As far as I'm concerned, I'm totally fine with it. It's a bit of what the pit is here for. And really, your dad's situation sucks big time. You have all my sympathy.

Regarding his sleeping problem: If there's no counter-indication, maybe one or two glasses of scotch before bed would help? I know it works for me when I have trouble sleeping. Of course, since his health is poor, it might not be the best advice.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 4:47 am
by Gumby
Pitchguest wrote:I hope you guys don't mind the blog like posts. I find it helps talking about it with friends. Typing it out is also oddly therapeutic. If you want me to take it to a separate thread or PM, let me know.
Dude don't worry about it in the slightest. You're among friends here. It's Steersman we want in a separate thread. :dance:

When I lost my mother back in November I didn't discuss it much here. The important thing is I knew if I wanted to, everyone would support me. This place is alright.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:01 am
by Eskarina
Pitchguest wrote:I hope you guys don't mind the blog like posts. I find it helps talking about it with friends. Typing it out is also oddly therapeutic. If you want me to take it to a separate thread or PM, let me know.
Only speaking for myself, but if posts like your last one aren't welcome here anymore, I would leave. There's lived experience SJW-style and then there's lived experience and empathy.

And pouncetugs.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:02 am
by Shatterface
Christ, he's good:

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:05 am
by deLurch
Spike13 wrote:Any new news on the Reason Rally?
Wondering if the lunatics are applying any pressure to get some their favorites to podium.
Here is the current line up. Looks SJW clique free so far.
http://reasonrally.org/speakers/

It appears that the American Atheists are not also holding an event back-to-back with Reason Rally in DC this year.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:10 am
by Gumby
Shatterface wrote:Christ, he's good:
He's also flicking latsot's ear pretty well. Latsot is a fucking moron.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:15 am
by deLurch
Shatterface wrote:Christ, he's good:
InB4 Gay/Bi people can't be homophobic, only straight people can be homophobic.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:19 am
by deLurch
Bonus Information:
Aoife O'Riordan used to have a blog on FTB & now has one on the orbit.
https://archive.is/VORwH

Additional funny information. A good chunk of the images on Aoife's new Orbit blog are still being served up from Free Thought Blogs server. If they piss pz off, and if pz had the skill, he could change all of the images, or block all of the embeds.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:19 am
by Spike13
deLurch wrote: Here is the current line up. Looks SJW clique free so far.
http://reasonrally.org/speakers/

It appears that the American Atheists are not also holding an event back-to-back with Reason Rally in DC this year.
Good to see!

Wonder how our favorite people enjoy being left out in the cold?

Looks like the fate they tried to impose on others is now theirs.

Mmmmm ....that's some good schadenfreude.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:40 am
by feathers
Brive1987 wrote:I checked that before posting and naively took it on face value, thinking "hmmm pricey monthly plan there"

But now I can remember something about paying Lousy startup fees. Lost the ref though.
Startup fees?!?

"Hi, I'm Jason, but you can call me Lousy. Me and my friend The Swan here- we saw your blog. Looks promising. Beautiful. But still- a young blog. So frail. Have you considered taking life insurance on it? Before something happens."

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:54 am
by VickyCaramel
Kirbmarc wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Empty or not, it's not something anyone who wants to be accepted should do. Same problem as with internet trans* activists. As was seen over at Michael Nugent's, I'm ready to indulge one's requests for special pronouns and such, just as long as they're not acting like an asshole. Once they do act like an asshole, I reserve the right to withdraw my previous considerations (whether Ardent Skeptic likes it or not :p)
I think that this is the main point of contention.

People are willing to acknowledge a personal identity but they're not willing to be bossed around and ordered to never ever question this identity, or to be called bigots if they slip up, or never even to discuss the issues of gender identity, not even as an abstract case.

The problem here isn't gender identity per se, it's the dogmatism of activists. It is the idea that someone who "deliberately misgenders" someone else should be fined. Not asked to be less of dick, not told to stop, but fined.

It's the idea that transgender people can demand others to acknowledge their identity even if they don't signal it in any way.

Or the idea that if you're a hetero man or a lesbian and you don't want to have sex with a trans woman then you're a bigot (instead of, you know, just having a sexual preference).

It's the idea that you cannot in any way, shape or form refer to trans women as having or having had some signals of a male identity.

It's the idea that you MUST think that people are "socially assigned genders at birth" and that there's no meaningful biological difference between two sexes but instead a "gender spectrum".

This is all dogmatic authoritarianism, and people understandably don't want to simply submit to it. Especially people who left religion behind because it's full of dogmas, not just because they didn't like those dogmas and preferred others.
This is one of those times I log on to the internet and think, "Why the fuck are we even talking about this? This isn't real life".

Looking thought my various friends lists, contact lists and address books, I can see maybe 20 people who identify as Transgender, Transvestite, Sissies, Futas, dick-girls and T-Girls. Some actually identify as women and have confided in me, many are just online persona. I suspect that just as many women in my contacts are actually men or TG. I also suspect some of the gay men in my list are actually straight women.
In the online communities that I enjoy, where people can play with identities and sex, this is extremely common because it is the perfect place to play around with it. You can be what you want to be.

Meanwhile in the real world, during my adult life, I have known one Transvestite and seen maybe three men dressed somewhat like women who may or may-not have been transgender.

So almost my entire experience with transgender people consists of people who use it as a stick to beat others with, or people who are just as happy role playing at being a furry, a pony or she-goat demon with tits and a dick. Sure enough it is a spectrum, from fetish to personality disorder,

I am very skeptical that it is a real thing at all.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:59 am
by feathers
Sunder wrote:
Pitchguest wrote:Woah. A bit too hostile, don't you think, Steers? Settle down.
I haven't been paying attention, but is he lashing out at people who have insulted him in the past or is it just random?
I hope it's nothing worse...

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/LcL3eP0Hfy4/hqdefault.jpg

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:16 am
by Lsuoma
ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
Pitchguest wrote:Okay. So, I know we were talking about Danielle Muscato before and how he/she haven't made an effort at all to transition and therefore it's a bit absurd to expect someone to look at Danielle and say, "Yep, that's a woman."

Well.

Here's why.

[gimg]http://41.media.tumblr.com/972c4c30a6f1 ... 1_1280.jpg[/gimg]

This is Laith Ashley.

He's a man, *snip*
No she isn't.

If you were a gay man and unsuspectingly hooked up with her in a bar, you would be right to feel the same as the hypothetical straight-man-who-finds-out-he-has-slept-with-a-shim that often gets cited on the Pit.

It is not a man, it is a woman with a dildo glued on.
I belive the correct term is a strapadicktomy.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:36 am
by CaptainFluffyBunny
Shatterface wrote:Muscat didnt have a beard before transitioning. He grew it for the attention.

It's a 'How dare you misgender me!' beard.
The very idea that beards, balls and bald aren't female is so binary. Plus transitioning is probably a lot of work, which can be very triggering if you've misplaced your spoons. The new mantra, so far as I have been able to determine, is that it is female if they say it is, no other effort need apply. Except the one to know their pronouns, because getting that wrong is violence and trans-genocide.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:41 am
by Tigzy
feathers wrote:
Sunder wrote:
Pitchguest wrote:Woah. A bit too hostile, don't you think, Steers? Settle down.
I haven't been paying attention, but is he lashing out at people who have insulted him in the past or is it just random?
I hope it's nothing worse...

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/LcL3eP0Hfy4/hqdefault.jpg
Maybe he's been radicalised by Call-Me-Kenneth.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:15 am
by InfraRedBucket
Guest_84d94f98 wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:I checked that before posting and naively took it on face value, thinking "hmmm pricey monthly plan there"
But now I can remember something about paying Lousy startup fees. Lost the ref though.
Let's see. A low end web developer will charge $40/hour. That may be overly gracious to classify Lousy as a low end web developer, but it is a start.

$5,000 / $40 per hour = 125 hours

Does that site look like anywhere near 125 hours of web developer work has been put into it?

tl;dr -
Orbit Bloggers: "Yea, we are working together as a team! Sharing our work and talents equally!"
Lousy Cannuck: "Fuck you. Pay me."

- Soylent f98
I though similar. According their kickstarter the goal is to "Help launch the Orbit"
Which they already did.
About Our Fundraising Goals

Base Goal: $5,000

Reaching this goal will cover our costs to launch and run The Orbit for a year. This includes incorporation, setup, and paying for our servers. That gives us the flexibility to control the ad experience for our readers and writers.
Well I dont know what the cost of "incorporation" is in the US but a shared hosting account or even a VPS is surely not going to cost anywhere near 5K for a year, They are not Amazon quite yet, Due to Cloudflare I cannot determine where they are hosting currently,
and how are they going to control the ad experience and not end up like FTB and it's hypocritical Daily Mail Online type Side Bar of Shame
on $5k as well as pay all the bloggers?

Which search keywords send traffic to this site?

Keyword Percent of Search Traffic
1. millenilials passive aggressive gaslighting 50.00%
2. millennials passive aggressive gaslighting 50.00%


Upstream Sites
Which sites did people visit immediately before this site?

Site Percent of Unique Visits
1. google.com 8.6%
2. facebook.com 6.9%
3. freethoughtblogs.com 4.3%
4. youtube.com 2.4%
5. patheos.com 2.2%
What sites link to the-orbit.net?

Total Sites Linking In 3

Site Page
1. archive.org web.archive.org/web/*/the-orbit.net
2. freethoughtblogs.com freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2016/0...
3. michaelnugent.com michaelnugent.com/2016/01/24/delusiona...
The "Sites Linking In" count shows the number of sites that Alexa found that link to this site. For more information please see this explanation of how Alexa determines the number of sites linking in.
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/http%3A%2 ... -orbit.net

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:19 am
by Gumby
The Sta-Puft Marshmallow Man watches the new Ghostbusters trailer. Pretty funny.

[youtube]QFcNhrNf6hQ[/youtube]

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:23 am
by Tigzy

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:23 am
by Tapir
Brive1987 wrote:Another $900 and we get Orbo-con.

:popcorn:
Roll up, roll up! Get yer red stickers here!

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:51 am
by Gumby
Fuckin' hell, Tigzy.
:clap:

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:55 am
by screwtape
Pitchguest wrote:By the way. On a completely unrelated, more somber note, about my dad, to counter the growth of cancer cells, a few months ago he received a shot of estrogen (apparently this kind feeds on testosterone). It wasn't so bad at first (apart from him feeling nauseous from time to time), but now he's experiencing bouts of what evidently women feel when they hit menopause; either he's very warm and sweating profusely or very cold and freezing. The latter is usually internal and not something you can feel on the skin itself but the former you can, like he has a fever or something. It also mostly happens in succession.

It only lasts for a few minutes, but the problem is it happens more than once a day. It could also just hit whenever and he doesn't have any medicine to counteract it so that means he's got trouble sleeping at night. Luckily he's used to not getting much sleep due to his work (well, former now), so he's not too worse for wear but some days you can tell he's not feeling well at all. Still, he's all smiles and no worries when you talk to him because that's how he's always been. And I know there's nothing I can do but it doesn't make me feel any better.
I don't think it will be œstrogen, as I'm old enough to remember starting prostate cancer patients on an œstrogen (stilbœstrol) but also not too old to forget why we stopped using it (deep vein thromboses). It's much more likely to be a gonadotrophin releasing hormone agonist or antagonist (depends on which hormone we try to block), something that blocks the release from the hypothalamus of the chemicals that tell the pituitary gland to send further chemicals to the gonads (testes in this case) to make testosterone. Zoladex and Lupron are the two I'm most used to using, and are usually given every month or every three months, depending on formulation. What you describe are hot flashes (UK: flushes) and are a sign it is working. It might be best to look at it like this: you don't want to do anything about them, as they are a sign that the drug is doing what it is supposed to do. While there isn't an actual connection, your dad might like to think of each hot flash as a setback for the cancer as it gets knocked back by the drug. The hot flashes themselves are a withdrawal symptom for blood vessels that have spent a lifetime controlling their calibre under the influence of sex hormones that they are now deprived of, and they let you know it. Eventually, they get used to the new normal.
Pitchguest wrote: Fucking cancer, man.
Yup. I know what you mean.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:02 am
by Shatterface
Spike13 wrote:
deLurch wrote: Here is the current line up. Looks SJW clique free so far.
http://reasonrally.org/speakers/

It appears that the American Atheists are not also holding an event back-to-back with Reason Rally in DC this year.
Good to see!

Wonder how our favorite people enjoy being left out in the cold?

Looks like the fate they tried to impose on others is now theirs.

Mmmmm ....that's some good schadenfreude.
Schadenfreude is cultural appropriation. Only Kirbmarc gets to enjoy other's misfortune.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:24 am
by screwtape
VickyCaramel wrote:
This is one of those times I log on to the internet and think, "Why the fuck are we even talking about this? This isn't real life".

Looking thought my various friends lists, contact lists and address books, I can see maybe 20 people who identify as Transgender, Transvestite, Sissies, Futas, dick-girls and T-Girls. Some actually identify as women and have confided in me, many are just online persona. I suspect that just as many women in my contacts are actually men or TG. I also suspect some of the gay men in my list are actually straight women.
In the online communities that I enjoy, where people can play with identities and sex, this is extremely common because it is the perfect place to play around with it. You can be what you want to be.

Meanwhile in the real world, during my adult life, I have known one Transvestite and seen maybe three men dressed somewhat like women who may or may-not have been transgender.

So almost my entire experience with transgender people consists of people who use it as a stick to beat others with, or people who are just as happy role playing at being a furry, a pony or she-goat demon with tits and a dick. Sure enough it is a spectrum, from fetish to personality disorder,

I am very skeptical that it is a real thing at all.
Your address book is way more interesting than mine! In 35 years of medical practice I have not had one transgender patient. Lots of gays, some cross-dressers, a little bestiality and one guy who liked to expose himself. A handful of rapes. But no transsexuals. Admittedly, someone in that position is hardly going to stay in a rural community and try to work out their troubles one way or another, but I could spot the gay kids before they came out, and even after they went off to the city to find a larger community of fellows, they would come back now and then and say hello. This experience rather accords with the statistics—it's rare. 1:30,000 assigned males and 1:100,000 assigned females go for re-assignment surgery. With all the sympathy in the world for such people, there are hardly enough of them for us to go about re-designing society to cater to them more than the plain ordinary folks. I strongly suspect we have a huge difference between 'internet-prevalence' and 'real-world-prevalence' in this matter. Given that it makes a delightfully useful leverage point for SJW's to flex their muscles and impose further restrictions on the rest of us (and especially since there are so few real transgendered people to complain when the SJWs get their theoretically perfect view of the world wrong), my belief is that SJWs inflate the prevalence of this issue for their own purposes.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:58 am
by Phil_Giordana_FCD
Screwtape, if it's not too indiscreet, what's your prognosis so far? Don't answer if you don't want to.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 9:05 am
by Stout
Guest_84d94f98 wrote:
Stout wrote:The "problem" with Muscato's gender identity comes up when the trans and bathroom issue gets raised. Let just say that I've never met a shitlord who has any sort of a problem with a woman niping into the men's because there's a huge line up for the woman's and she's really got to go.

These bathroom issued seem to be solely centered around the man in the ladies room.

Just whose side is a shitlord like me supposed to take were I to find myself caught in the middle. Either I'm a transphobe or some sort of rape apologist. If Muscato was making at least an effort I could probably weasel around with words like "the idea is that non passing trans women are trying to get themselves considered women" in order to appear impartial but with Muscato I figure I'd just find myself trying to defend someone who could realistically be described as a pervert.
You just stand back, laugh, and say "This is not my fucking problem." Also know that pretty much every woman's restroom has enclosed stalls so the issue of bodily privacy is over blown anyway.

About the only time this really becomes a problem is in public changing rooms at swim pools & high school where underage & teen girls who are still working on their self confidence & body image issues need to strip down.

Yea....I keep trying to drag this stuff into possible situations where it could have some sort of an actual real world impact on my life. In this case it might be a woman in my life complaining about a man in the ladies room. Outside of a few trips to Thailand, I've actually only seen one visible trans* in the past 15 years.

The same sort of thing goes for SJWs. I haven't known any full time warriors since the early 90s however I have seen a few "normal" people go full SJW over harmless jokes. On both occasions, the SJWs went after the "offending" person's employment.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 9:17 am
by MarcusAu
I Dredd to think what you are going to come up with next.

Could be worse - he could identify as Walter - and those long posts would be even more difficult to read.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 9:27 am
by NoGodsEver
Gumby wrote:The Sta-Puft Marshmallow Man watches the new Ghostbusters trailer. Pretty funny.

[youtube]QFcNhrNf6hQ[/youtube]
It was definitely funnier than the trailer. He's displayed better acting than anyone in the trailer too.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 10:23 am
by screwtape
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Screwtape, if it's not too indiscreet, what's your prognosis so far? Don't answer if you don't want to.
Fuck it, this shouldn't be something no one talks about. 2-5 years from diagnosis to relapse, given my age, cell genetics and a staging that is the mean between the north American staging system and the European system. I am now 20 months from diagnosis, or 13 months from completion of primary chemotherapy if you prefer. I have stopped working to make the most of that time, and hope that my savings will support me. Should I be lucky and live longer, I shall post Patreon details here (I may have to consider a sex change to get the necessary spoons/oppression points to earn enough to keep me in lentils and split peas)! :lol:

Chris
Don't worry, I have the means to avoid being a nuisance and begging online. Just have to find out what my wife did with the keys to the gun safe...

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 10:24 am
by Oglebart
So it comes to this, this is the manifestation of the SJW cult in the wild. Jesus wept.


[youtube]5HK1hFUD_d4[/youtube]

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 10:34 am
by Suet Cardigan
Engage Cringe Mode:

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 10:35 am
by Phil_Giordana_FCD
screwtape wrote:
Fuck it, this shouldn't be something no one talks about. 2-5 years from diagnosis to relapse, given my age, cell genetics and a staging that is the mean between the north American staging system and the European system. I am now 20 months from diagnosis, or 13 months from completion of primary chemotherapy if you prefer. I have stopped working to make the most of that time, and hope that my savings will support me. Should I be lucky and live longer, I shall post Patreon details here (I may have to consider a sex change to get the necessary spoons/oppression points to earn enough to keep me in lentils and split peas)! :lol:

Chris
Don't worry, I have the means to avoid being a nuisance and begging online. Just have to find out what my wife did with the keys to the gun safe...
Do you mind if I call you James Wilson from now on? You could be the perfect sidekick to my Greg House character.

(Don't pull a John Greg on us unless you really have to. John, don't pull one either!).

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 10:35 am
by Oglebart
Not withstanding the irony of banging on about privilege whilst holding an iPhone.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 10:40 am
by Phil_Giordana_FCD
Oglebart wrote:So it comes to this, this is the manifestation of the SJW cult in the wild. Jesus wept.


[youtube]5HK1hFUD_d4[/youtube]
First, you fucking cunt, you're as white as a sunny afternoon cumulus.

Second, you useless twat, you're as annoying as a blister on my "me-time" hand.

Third, you turd, (ok, I've got nothing. Was just trying to riff out)

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 10:42 am
by Phil_Giordana_FCD
Suet Cardigan wrote:Engage Cringe Mode:
That guy actually was in the House season 6 two-piece pilot. I feel betrayed.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 10:46 am
by Eskarina
Oglebart wrote:Not withstanding the irony of banging on about privilege whilst holding an iPhone.
That was my first thought, too. Plus she looks like Melissa Click.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 11:09 am
by deLurch
Suet Cardigan wrote:Engage Cringe Mode:
[youtube]pHCdS7O248g[/youtube]

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 11:58 am
by Tigzy
Suet Cardigan wrote:Engage Cringe Mode:
For a second, I honestly thought it was a clip from a new Ricky Gervais show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmTV62mE1PA

(would normally embed the Youtube vid, but for some reason they aren't appearing anymore for me)

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 12:17 pm
by Malky
Just dropping this here - hopefully some of the more erudite people here could expaned a bit on this (I'm thinking of you Korban)

https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... rticle-lhc

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 12:18 pm
by Ape+lust
Oglebart wrote:So it comes to this, this is the manifestation of the SJW cult in the wild. Jesus wept.


[youtube]5HK1hFUD_d4[/youtube]
Somebody's momma?

http://imgur.com/nBp0ja5.jpg

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 12:18 pm
by Malky
Malky wrote:Just dropping this here - hopefully some of the more erudite people here could expaned a bit on this (I'm thinking of you Korban)

https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... rticle-lhc

(I also not that my question to Ape+Lust hasn't been answered yet) :o

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 12:21 pm
by Matt Cavanaugh
fuzzy wrote:
comhcinc wrote:
Oh I am pretty sure she was well in her legal rights no matter exactly how the story went down. It's the morality of it that I am withholding judgement on.
She wasn't in the house as it was burglarized; she was alerted by an alarm and rushed home to confront the burglar. Not clear that home defense laws are applicable, but of course IANAL.
Victim blamer! Teach Burglars to not Burgle.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 12:30 pm
by Oglebart

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 12:34 pm
by Matt Cavanaugh
rayshul wrote: She made it clear when she came out that it was going to take some time to start looking even slightly female and clearly it's taking even longer than that because on a scale of 1 to female she's falling in on the physiological scale at -200.
Okay, that's the funniest thing I've ever read.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 12:37 pm
by Steersman
Pitchguest wrote:
Steersman wrote:
Pitchguest wrote:Well, yeah, I'd expect they have the common courtesy to tell a potential partner about their predicament, however for all intents and purposes, she is a man. She looks like a man, acts like a man. I mean, that's at least the criteria I'd think of when someone's transitioning. To look the part. Or attempt to, anyway. Instead of not even bothering, like Danielle Muscato.
And you're a fucking idiot. So if I look like I'm a surgeon then you'll let me perform surgery on you should you require it?
Woah. A bit too hostile, don't you think, Steers? Settle down.

I just think if someone's a trans man or a trans woman, if they identity as a woman or a man then at least they should make the effort to transition the best they can. Not just say they are and do nothing. I would also expect the courtesy of a trans man or woman to divulge their transgenderism should they want to enter into a romantic or sexual relationship, as I think that's the moral thing to do (as opposed to the Shark Cried method of crying discrimination). If they're both fine with it after, then, well, what's the problem?
Sorry if you thought that beyond the Pale, but sometimes "harsh words" are necessary to get people's attention. And you didn't give any indication of, still don't give any indication of, considering my point about the definitions for various words - "man" and "woman" in particular. But it seems many others are similarily unclear on the concept that there are attributes and features which define various classes, and that there are other such attributes and features that merely correlate to a greater or lesser degree with the defining ones, that are frequently but not always found in the same individual.

And while I sympathize with some of your points about transitioning and divulging one's status, in certain cases at least, I think you're also making rather too much of insisting - kind of in a dogmatic or authoritarian way if truth be known - that people should be obliged to adhere to various stereotypes. You may wish to take a gander at the Google search on bearded women, and ask yourself whether they still qualify as women or not - based on the dictionary definition I've provided earlier. And you may also wish to consider using the terms "transman" and "transwoman" - "Therefore shoddy and inept application of words lays siege to the intellect in wondrous ways”, to coin a phrase.

But, to kill two birds with a single stone, I quite agree with you about Anjuli Pandavar - she sure looks to be throwing the fox in amongst the chickens over at FTBs, at least on the issue of Islam. And, parenthetically, I'm happy to concede being wrong in thinking that she or her blog were set up to ban people a priori; seems my comment there was just stuck in moderation and has now been posted, and has garnered a rather nice response from her, although others have fared similarly.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 12:39 pm
by VickyCaramel
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
fuzzy wrote:
comhcinc wrote:
Oh I am pretty sure she was well in her legal rights no matter exactly how the story went down. It's the morality of it that I am withholding judgement on.
She wasn't in the house as it was burglarized; she was alerted by an alarm and rushed home to confront the burglar. Not clear that home defense laws are applicable, but of course IANAL.
Victim blamer! Teach Burglars to not Burgle.
In an age where you can get food stamps and nobody needs to starve.
In an age where fingerprints are kept on databases and the police will use DNA for minor crimes.
In an age where sophisticated alarms and camera systems cost peanuts.
A country not known for it's leniency towards any wrong-doers, especially black ones.
In a country where virtually anyone can own a gun,
where people are allowed to kill you in order to protect property.


And he still breaks into an old lady's home. Wouldn't it be immoral not to remove him from the gene pool?

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 12:42 pm
by Steersman
feathers wrote:
Sunder wrote:
Pitchguest wrote:Woah. A bit too hostile, don't you think, Steers? Settle down.
I haven't been paying attention, but is he lashing out at people who have insulted him in the past or is it just random?
I hope it's nothing worse...

[.img]https://i.ytimg.com/vi/LcL3eP0Hfy4/hqdefault.jpg[/img]
:-) My prosthetic dick has metastasized and taken over my brain? ;-)

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 12:42 pm
by Ape+lust
Malky wrote:
Malky wrote:Just dropping this here - hopefully some of the more erudite people here could expaned a bit on this (I'm thinking of you Korban)

https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... rticle-lhc
(I also not that my question to Ape+Lust hasn't been answered yet) :o
Nobody was happy with my answer :cry:

And of course, when the discussion turns to particle physics, the only useful info from me is how many octopuses I've fucked :lol:

I'll say again -- I've learned a thing or two from watching the old buzzard.

http://imgur.com/TFGJTky.jpg

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 12:43 pm
by Skep tickle
screwtape wrote:
Pitchguest wrote:By the way. On a completely unrelated, more somber note, about my dad, to counter the growth of cancer cells, a few months ago he received a shot of estrogen (apparently this kind feeds on testosterone). It wasn't so bad at first (apart from him feeling nauseous from time to time), but now he's experiencing bouts of what evidently women feel when they hit menopause; either he's very warm and sweating profusely or very cold and freezing. The latter is usually internal and not something you can feel on the skin itself but the former you can, like he has a fever or something. It also mostly happens in succession.

It only lasts for a few minutes, but the problem is it happens more than once a day. It could also just hit whenever and he doesn't have any medicine to counteract it so that means he's got trouble sleeping at night. Luckily he's used to not getting much sleep due to his work (well, former now), so he's not too worse for wear but some days you can tell he's not feeling well at all. Still, he's all smiles and no worries when you talk to him because that's how he's always been. And I know there's nothing I can do but it doesn't make me feel any better.
I don't think it will be œstrogen, as I'm old enough to remember starting prostate cancer patients on an œstrogen (stilbœstrol) but also not too old to forget why we stopped using it (deep vein thromboses). It's much more likely to be a gonadotrophin releasing hormone agonist or antagonist (depends on which hormone we try to block), something that blocks the release from the hypothalamus of the chemicals that tell the pituitary gland to send further chemicals to the gonads (testes in this case) to make testosterone. Zoladex and Lupron are the two I'm most used to using, and are usually given every month or every three months, depending on formulation. What you describe are hot flashes (UK: flushes) and are a sign it is working. It might be best to look at it like this: you don't want to do anything about them, as they are a sign that the drug is doing what it is supposed to do. While there isn't an actual connection, your dad might like to think of each hot flash as a setback for the cancer as it gets knocked back by the drug. The hot flashes themselves are a withdrawal symptom for blood vessels that have spent a lifetime controlling their calibre under the influence of sex hormones that they are now deprived of, and they let you know it. Eventually, they get used to the new normal.
I hadn't known this, but turns out there are a couple of 6-month depot formulations of GnRH agonists for palliation of prostate cancer (triptorelin, and leuprorelin = leuprolide acetate).
screwtape wrote:
Pitchguest wrote: Fucking cancer, man.
Yup. I know what you mean.
Thirded.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 12:45 pm
by Steersman
Tigzy wrote:[.img]http://i.imgur.com/d9GhF66.png[/img]
:lol: :clap: That one's a keeper, one for my scrapbook. ;-)

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 12:56 pm
by Steersman
Sunder wrote:
Pitchguest wrote:Woah. A bit too hostile, don't you think, Steers? Settle down.
I haven't been paying attention, but is he lashing out at people who have insulted him in the past or is it just random?
[youtube]TW_Ukl71OH4[/youtube]


And you probably won't be surprised to learn that my list for such is rather long. ;-)

But some may wish to listen to that opera as it seems to have been updated for more topical and modern offenders - "the Pope who hates gays but goes to work in drag", and the "terrorist in a burqa" among the choice additions.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 1:03 pm
by Skep tickle
Shatterface wrote:Muscat(o) didnt have a beard before transitioning. ...
I don't think this is accurate. Having trouble finding photos with date stamps, but pretty sure the beard was a constant until transition. ("Shadow" but not a beard at Skepticon last fall, for example.)

___

From the past 7-8 days, on shaving, gender presentation, etc:

http://i.imgur.com/tYMfVHk.png?1

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 1:09 pm
by Tigzy
Have to admit, if Danielle was using the urinal next to me I'm pretty damn sure I wouldn't be able to tell if she was trans.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 1:13 pm
by Gumby
Skep tickle wrote:
Shatterface wrote:Muscat(o) didnt have a beard before transitioning. ...
I don't think this is accurate. Having trouble finding photos with date stamps, but pretty sure the beard was a constant until transition. ("Shadow" but not a beard at Skepticon last fall, for example.)

___

From the past 7-8 days, on shaving, gender presentation, etc:

[.img]http://i.imgur.com/tYMfVHk.png?1[/img]
I'm going to paraphrase a sentiment expressed here recently - that if you ain't even trying, you ain't trans.

I'm not saying a trans person has to opt for surgery for me to consider them as the gender they want to be known as, but fuck Dave "Danielle" Muscato. I wish the whole fucking internet would grab him by the collar and shake him while yelling "YOU'RE A DUDE, SHUT THE FUCK UP." For him to get so fucking huffy about this shit when he knows full well he has more five-o'clock shadow than Fred Flintstone is fucking ridiculous and shows he's probably milking this for the attention. In any case, unless he starts actually transitioning instead of just spewing a bunch of laughable bullshit, I refuse to call that hairy dudebro by his preferred pronouns.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 1:15 pm
by Shatterface
Malky wrote:Just dropping this here - hopefully some of the more erudite people here could expaned a bit on this (I'm thinking of you Korban)

https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... rticle-lhc
Three possibilities come to mind:

(A) Statistical fluke.
(B) First real evidence of supersymmetry.
(C) Some French guy left a baguette in the collider again.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 1:16 pm
by Billie from Ockham
VickyCaramel wrote:In an age where you can get food stamps and nobody needs to starve.
In an age where fingerprints are kept on databases and the police will use DNA for minor crimes.
In an age where sophisticated alarms and camera systems cost peanuts.
A country not known for it's leniency towards any wrong-doers, especially black ones.
In a country where virtually anyone can own a gun,
where people are allowed to kill you in order to protect property.

And he still breaks into an old lady's home. Wouldn't it be immoral not to remove him from the gene pool?
Yes, Dr Dawkins, you're probably correct, but I still think that you need to quit Twitter.

Re: The Refuge of the Toads

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 1:17 pm
by Ape+lust
Steersman wrote:
Tigzy wrote:[.img]http://i.imgur.com/d9GhF66.png[/img]
:lol: :clap: That one's a keeper, one for my scrapbook. ;-)
HAHAHA!!
"I can say with utmost certainty that I am somewhat compelled..."
I think you could be a formidable superhero, Steersman :D
"We had to surrender. He started piling conditionals until we didn't know who from what from where anymore!"