The Refuge of the Toads

#57361

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cv87sOpWYAECP_w.jpg

#57362

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
... you shouldn’t assume that someone with a German last name, for instance, isn’t Indian.
I learned that lesson from my friend, Charlie von Whitecloudhausen.

Tanzt mit den Rottweilern.

#57363

feathers wrote:ou snipped too early, Ape, because hold your belly and don't drink hot coffee while reading the following paragraph:

(By the way, Caine also mentions how she doesn’t have the stereotypical Indian look, and is easily mistaken for European. I know about this as well, and it’s important not to go the other way: UMM has a significant percentage of Indian students, and you learn fast that “Gee, you don’t look Indian” is not a compliment, and that you shouldn’t assume that someone with a German last name, for instance, isn’t Indian. It turns out that Indians look…human.)
:teasing-tease:

That's... pretty racist.

It's okay when he says it though, right?

#57364

feathers wrote: You snipped too early, Ape, because hold your belly and don't drink hot coffee while reading the following paragraph:

(By the way, Caine also mentions how she doesn’t have the stereotypical Indian look, and is easily mistaken for European. I know about this as well, and it’s important not to go the other way: UMM has a significant percentage of Indian students, and you learn fast that “Gee, you don’t look Indian” is not a compliment, and that you shouldn’t assume that someone with a German last name, for instance, isn’t Indian. It turns out that Indians look…human.)
:teasing-tease:

Got my partner 23andMe for their b-day. 50% Southern European, 40% Native American, 10% mutt. It was a surprise-- I thought there was def going to be some, like 5-10%, but nope-- New World mitochondria and a shit ton of Native DNA.

Srsly Caine can shut us up for $99.

nb4 DNA is a social construct.

#57365

Shatterface wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Shatterface wrote:Race isn't biological, it's cultural, so unless you are raised as an Indian you aren't Indian.

Unless Caine can point to some unambiguous genetic marker identifying her as Indian she's a Whitey McWhiteface like 99% of the Horde.
Membership in Oglala nation is reserved for anyone descended from anyone listed on the tribal roll of 1936. So the ginger Caine might have an Oglala grandparent and 1/4 recessive lakota genes. But no way is she living on the Res or active in any tribal community activities. She adorns herself with her heritage when it suits her, and to garner attention and privilege points.
If she is going to claim Lakota heritage based on Lakota genes she has to defend a genetic basis for race.

That's the only thing linking her to this 'heritage'.

I love this shit. I fucking love it.

#57366

ERV wrote:
feathers wrote: You snipped too early, Ape, because hold your belly and don't drink hot coffee while reading the following paragraph:

(By the way, Caine also mentions how she doesn’t have the stereotypical Indian look, and is easily mistaken for European. I know about this as well, and it’s important not to go the other way: UMM has a significant percentage of Indian students, and you learn fast that “Gee, you don’t look Indian” is not a compliment, and that you shouldn’t assume that someone with a German last name, for instance, isn’t Indian. It turns out that Indians look…human.)
:teasing-tease:
Got my partner 23andMe for their b-day. 50% Southern European, 40% Native American, 10% mutt. It was a surprise-- I thought there was def going to be some, like 5-10%, but nope-- New World mitochondria and a shit ton of Native DNA.

Srsly Caine can shut us up for $99.

nb4 DNA is a social construct.

Western colonial science is racist and therefore not trustworthy, especially to judge POCness. :ugeek:

#57367

Wasn't there some past kerfuffle involving 23andme and our old pal Watson?

#57368

Billie from Ockham wrote:
deLurch wrote:No matter what we think, this should put the issue to rest for the US at least.
I disagree. I see this going 4-4 and having to be done all over again once SCOTUS has 9.

Could be the one time the dead fat cunt could have been useful.

#57369

free thoughtpolice wrote:
Western colonial science is racist and therefore not trustworthy, especially to judge POCness. :ugeek:

I am pretty sure white devils do not sure DNA with the pure Nubian race. I mean everyone knows Yakub breed out the black germ.

#57370

Peterson is my hero after watching that. His definition of Political Correctness:

“A particular kind of ideological game. The outcome is two-fold. 1) to make the player feel morally superior, 2) and also to take rather serious axe swings at the foundation of society. And so the game is: identify a domain of human endeavor; note that there’s a distribution of success — some people do comparatively better and some do comparatively worse; define those doing worse a ‘victims,’ define those doing better as ‘perpetrators’; identify with the victims; have yourself a set of enemies handy to vent your resentment on; feel good about it even though it didn’t really require any work on your part; and then endlessly repeat.”

Mary Rogan was at least civil. The law guy was a devious cunt. Nicky Matte is a fucking nazi. Note how the SJWs completely ignored the sane trans*woman.

#57371

feathers wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
... you shouldn’t assume that someone with a German last name, for instance, isn’t Indian.
I learned that lesson from my friend, Charlie von Whitecloudhausen.
Tanzt mit den Rottweilern.

And his white friend, Kleiner Grossman.

#57372

Lsuoma wrote:
Billie from Ockham wrote:
deLurch wrote:No matter what we think, this should put the issue to rest for the US at least.
I disagree. I see this going 4-4 and having to be done all over again once SCOTUS has 9.
Could be the one time the dead fat cunt could have been useful.

What does Nikki Massey have to do with this?

#57373

fuzzy wrote:https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cv87sOpWYAECP_w.jpg

:lol: :lol:

OMG so fucking sick of the election. :bjarte:

Early voting here, but still, so much election wank. :bjarte:

Both my parents did the 23andme thing, and both are something like 99.9% Northern European. No surprises there, and little point in me doing the 23andme thing too. Whitey McWhiteknickers.

How is everyone?

And why is PeeZus in China?

#57374

BarnOwl wrote:
How is everyone?

High blood pressure due to college football. Will be better in a couple of hours

BarnOwl wrote: And why is PeeZus in China?

Rhino horn penis cures.

#57375

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
And his white friend, Kleiner Grossman.

Der Mann, den sie Pferd nannten.

#57376

If you're on Instagram and want to see all my stupid drawings for the Inktober Challenge (one ink drawing per day throughout October), I'm berguvtx there. My self-imposed theme is Invertebrates.

Trigger Warning: Cephalopods
(but no squid brothel)

#57377

comhcinc wrote:High blood pressure due to college football.

I guess that's better than Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy.

Maybe??

#57378

BarnOwl wrote:
comhcinc wrote:High blood pressure due to college football.
I guess that's better than Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy.

Maybe??

Not really they just forget all the bad games after a while, plus everything else.

Oh and maybe you murder a person or two.

#57379

I'd fucking love it if the SPLC responded to Michael Nugent and tried to defend their position. Nugent would have them for lunch.

I've got a sneaky feeling that SJW-riddled SPLC will try to fend off any hard questioning as "JAQing off" or something like that.

#57380

Lsuoma wrote:
Billie from Ockham wrote:
deLurch wrote:No matter what we think, this should put the issue to rest for the US at least.
I disagree. I see this going 4-4 and having to be done all over again once SCOTUS has 9.
Could be the one time the dead fat cunt could have been useful.

His title is "[dead] fat Catholic fuck" but pointing that out is just me being bitchy because you're correct. Touché!

#57381

Sunder wrote:Wasn't there some past kerfuffle involving 23andme and our old pal Watson?

I vaguely recall her being sent a free kit - and making it the subject of her paid 'science' blog.

Not sure what the nature of the controversy was - it may be that she did not disclose that she did not pay (making it in essence a sponsored advertisement) or that she oversold the benefits of 23andme (ie she was a bad skeptic).

nb the FDA had some criticism of 23andme being sold as a medical diagnosis tool - it looks like the documentation has since been rewritten to resolve this issue.

#57382

MarcusAu wrote:
Sunder wrote:Wasn't there some past kerfuffle involving 23andme and our old pal Watson?
I vaguely recall her being sent a free kit - and making it the subject of her paid 'science' blog.

Not sure what the nature of the controversy was - it may be that she did not disclose that she did not pay (making it in essence a sponsored advertisement) or that she oversold the benefits of 23andme (ie she was a bad skeptic).

nb the FDA had some criticism of 23andme being sold as a medical diagnosis tool - it looks like the documentation has since been rewritten to resolve this issue.

I thought the kerfuffle was that she oversold the benefits of their DNA diagnostic for disease, and thus was a poor skeptic.

#57383

deLurch wrote:I thought the kerfuffle was that she oversold the benefits of their DNA diagnostic for disease, and thus was a poor skeptic.

That's how I remember it, seeing how people are naturally poor at estimating odds and interpreting data giving them "magical piece of paper that tells their future" was looked down by FDA. I'm with agency on that.

#57384

Tribble wrote:
The quality of peer-review is dependent on the rigor of the subject. In the hard, physical sciences like chemistry, physics, it's pretty good. It starts to slip a bit in biology, but is still pretty good. It degrades again in psychology, sociology, economics and other soft sciences.

By the time you get to the humanities and shit like women's studies it's 'Everbody Gets an A!" when it comes to peer-review. Or any sort of scholarly work. I've read plenty of peer-reviewed crap out of those areas and have not forgotten the Sokal hoax.

(I may have told this story before, but in case I haven't...)

It can also be amusing, in hindsight at least. I published my first paper in a peer-reviewed journal - I think it was the Journal of Chemical Physics - when I was a very young 19. Needless to say, I was very anxious - what if I'd screwed up the math, or more likely, the experiment?

The first review arrived in due course, and I could tell right off that the PI was reluctant to let me read it. It began with a long paragraph basically calling our paper crap. I was appalled, but then I got to the reason: Our graphs were labeled in wavelength, not wavenumber. Seems this was A Thing. Who knew?

A wavenumber scale was duly added to the graphs, and that took care of the problem. (Although there was some iteration with the editor because the first time I added it I violated some style rule or other.)

About a year after publication we were contacted by a French research group. They had attempted to reproduce our results and gotten very different results. So once again I was worried sick that I had fucked up. And I was sure of it when I tested the sample the French were using and got their results. But then they tested our sample and got our results.

It turned out the material we were studying has different properties in powder versus crystalline form. This led to a bunch of additional research and a whole series of papers. All referencing our original paper.

#57385

BoxNDox wrote:It turned out the material we were studying has different properties in powder versus crystalline form. This led to a bunch of additional research and a whole series of papers. All referencing our original paper.

Well, that's as positive outcome I could expect starting reading this. I was expecting you slipping up on something silly or someone thrown your paper out over politics.

Not once I had an article that had some more technical stuff (that's why I focus on soft essays, it's a poetry of epistemology, you can always claim a poetic licence) where I didn't fucked up on terminology, math or even the understanding of the subject. It's nerve wrecking. My only line of defense is that I'm not formally trained for that (or anything else, maybe fixing switches in elevators, maybe).

#57386

screwtape wrote:Since Peezus must soon heed the wails from FreeFallBlogs, here's the current state of the open thread and Brive's magnificent efforts:

http://archive.is/q6n1A

Ta. But another day and no more PZ. My work is not yet done.

http://i.imgur.com/b2tPV4L.jpg

#57387

Btw Watson was busted cause a) she spruiked 23andme off a free sample which is semi commercial endorsement, b) Steve Novella called the company out for making false genetic illness screening tests -and this made her look like an idiot as she was still SGUing then.

#57388

There are now calls to nuke the whole thread. That seems a pity given the resources I assembled there for them.

Even gave then Kevin's "live next door to Alan"

http://i.imgur.com/26Hb6qK.jpg

#57389

Brive1987 wrote:
screwtape wrote:Since Peezus must soon heed the wails from FreeFallBlogs, here's the current state of the open thread and Brive's magnificent efforts:

http://archive.is/q6n1A

Ta. But another day and no more PZ. My work is not yet done.

http://i.imgur.com/b2tPV4L.jpg

PZ is enjoying a ~~holiday~~ Halloween break in ~~Japan~~ China.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... poster.jpg

#57390

Since the subject of Watson came up - I was wondering if anyone can recall her ever saying anything critical of Shermer?

She was certainly in his target demographic when they were both doing the convention rounds.

#57391

Could it be that Caine doesn't speak to the spirits of her ancestors and all this is a ruse so she can get her own casino?

#57392

feathers wrote:
Ape+lust wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:Have you got a link to his pipeline post?
He's made a bunch of them. My favorite was when Peez let it be known he and the Missus considered travelling to Dakota, since he is after all a trained protester. But alas, his whiteness rendered him inept. I'm sure the campsite's lack of hot buffets and warm places to watch Netflix had no part in his decision.

http://imgur.com/by6WXwX.png

http://archive.is/JdfFw
You snipped too early, Ape, because hold your belly and don't drink hot coffee while reading the following paragraph:

(By the way, Caine also mentions how she doesn’t have the stereotypical Indian look, and is easily mistaken for European. I know about this as well, and it’s important not to go the other way: UMM has a significant percentage of Indian students, and you learn fast that “Gee, you don’t look Indian” is not a compliment, and that you shouldn’t assume that someone with a German last name, for instance, isn’t Indian. It turns out that Indians look…human.)
:teasing-tease:

She looks white because she is white and Myers is a clown to pander to her bullshit.

#57393

Kirbmarc wrote:
feathers wrote:
You snipped too early, Ape, because hold your belly and don't drink hot coffee while reading the following paragraph:

(By the way, Caine also mentions how she doesn’t have the stereotypical Indian look, and is easily mistaken for European. I know about this as well, and it’s important not to go the other way: UMM has a significant percentage of Indian students, and you learn fast that “Gee, you don’t look Indian” is not a compliment, and that you shouldn’t assume that someone with a German last name, for instance, isn’t Indian. It turns out that Indians look…human.)
:teasing-tease:
If you are Indian but look white and have an Anglo name and a German surname do you also have white privilege? Or does the privilege automatically vanish because of your non-visible Indian ancestry?

After all privilege is supposed to be a feature of society, so if nobody can automatically see that you're of mixed Indian ancestry, how are you not benefiting from white privileges like someone who is 100% of European ancestry? Perspective employers see your face and name, not your ancestry. The cops also see your face, not your Indian heritage. The same is true for teachers, politicians, insurers, bankers, shop assistants, shopkeepers, etc. Basically if you "look white" and your name is "white" you live almost your entire life as a white person, so it follows that you should have white privilege.

When I went to work for the Feds, there was a half-Mexican, half-Anglo girl who started with me. Because she was light-skinned with brunette hair and had an anglo last name, they determined she coudln't get Affirmitive Action points on her hire so she came in 4 GS levels lower than someone of the same background but with a hispanic name.

I wonder how Caine beat the system... Oh, that's right, they're all a bunch of delusional fucktards and fabulists so anything goes. Unless you appear to be 'some regular guy.'

#57394

jet_lagg wrote:The vote to mandate women sign up for selective service isn't a hoax. That's what the article references. I thought DaveDodo was expressing actual outrage rather than just shitposting (though the overlap between shitposting and news grows wider everyday it seems).

The posters are. They're a 4Chan thing.

#57395

Yon three hairy-bollocks makes a terrific shyte-poster, so he does.

#57396

One of the Baboons commenting on briue:

Silentbob
29 October 2016 at 6:23 am
It could be worse. This guy’s crap, but they could’ve sent Steersman.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Fuck, even saying the name puts me to sleep.

Read more: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... z4OWHH3jF9

#57397

I feel slighted that I'm treated as an object acted upon.

#57398

jet_lagg wrote:The vote to mandate women sign up for selective service isn't a hoax. That's what the article references. I thought DaveDodo was expressing actual outrage rather than just shitposting (though the overlap between shitposting and news grows wider everyday it seems).

I know the average American equates selective service with "the draft," but it's really not. Making women sign up for it is certainly the fairest thing to do as long as we're keeping it around (and there is no good reason to keep it around, it's just a bunch of wasteful fucking government paperwork that only inconveniences citizens and does nothing of value), but we're not ever going to have a draft again.

#57399

Haha I have a P*

:burn: :dance: :lol:

#57400

How does watching laundry in progress help one to stop P* waving behavior?
Asking for a friend.

#57401

Brive1987 wrote:Haha I have a P*

:burn: :dance: :lol:

It's up to 250 comments now! Must be the most he's had in years. And they just can't stop themselves from engaging. Well done.

#57402

Sunder wrote:
jet_lagg wrote:The vote to mandate women sign up for selective service isn't a hoax. That's what the article references. I thought DaveDodo was expressing actual outrage rather than just shitposting (though the overlap between shitposting and news grows wider everyday it seems).
I know the average American equates selective service with "the draft," but it's really not.

I wonder where they get that idea from? :think:

http://i.imgur.com/2GeBsGf.jpg
https://www.usa.gov/selective-service

#57403

free thoughtpolice wrote:How does watching laundry in progress help one to stop P* waving behavior?
Asking for a friend.

Google is also your friend.

http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=662754855

#57404

free thoughtpolice wrote:Could it be that Caine doesn't speak to the spirits of her ancestors and all this is a ruse so she can get her own casino?

I'd love to write a horror movie about a skinwalker stalking and killing palefaces falsely claiming Native American heritage.

Maybe I could get Eli Roth to direct.

#57405

Brive1987 wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:How does watching laundry in progress help one to stop P* waving behavior?
Asking for a friend.
Google is also your friend.

http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=662754855

It wouldn't vibrate like that if she loaded it properly.

Women. If you want something done right...

#57406

Google "Paleface want to lay Great Iron Snake pipe in sacred Earth Mother".
Or don't.

#57407

Brive1987 wrote:I feel slighted that I'm treated as an object acted upon.

I was surprised that Oggy showed up. Maybe you should remind them of how he raped a couple little girls.

#57408

Kirbmarc wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
And his white friend, Kleiner Grossman.
Der Mann, den sie Pferd nannten.

These puns are a mix of die Guten, die Bösen, und die Häslichen.

#57409

Or maybe you can get Oggie to confess to arson.

#57410

Please tell me someone is saving this on an archive site.

#57411

Really? wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:I feel slighted that I'm treated as an object acted upon.
I was surprised that Oggy showed up. Maybe you should remind them of how he raped a couple little girls.

Silent Bob actually linked to my YouTube channel and I've had a few more hits on the Oggy vid since then.

I should thank them.

#57412

ERV wrote:
feathers wrote: You snipped too early, Ape, because hold your belly and don't drink hot coffee while reading the following paragraph:

(By the way, Caine also mentions how she doesn’t have the stereotypical Indian look, and is easily mistaken for European. I know about this as well, and it’s important not to go the other way: UMM has a significant percentage of Indian students, and you learn fast that “Gee, you don’t look Indian” is not a compliment, and that you shouldn’t assume that someone with a German last name, for instance, isn’t Indian. It turns out that Indians look…human.)
:teasing-tease:
Got my partner 23andMe for their b-day. 50% Southern European, 40% Native American, 10% mutt. It was a surprise-- I thought there was def going to be some, like 5-10%, but nope-- New World mitochondria and a shit ton of Native DNA.

Srsly Caine can shut us up for $99.

nb4 DNA is a social construct.

That reminds me of an old article in GNXP. How Argentina became white

The money shot:

Argentineans carried a large fraction of European genetic heritage in their Y-chromosomal (94.1%) and autosomal (78.5%) DNA, but their mitochondrial gene pool is mostly of Native American ancestry (53.7%); instead, African heritage was small in all three genetic systems (<4%).

Read the whole thing shitlords. The skin colour, hair, facial features may say Whitey White McWhiteFace but the MtDNA says otherwise.

Cain should do the 23andMe and cross xir fingers. Because with Native MtDNA she could cry rape rape rapety rape for extra bonus victim points.

(Not that she could prove rape, but has lack of evidence ever stopped that crowd from crying rape?)

#57413

rayshul wrote:Please tell me someone is saving this on an archive site.

I feel the first chill winds of winter coming down the valley.

#57414

rayshul wrote:Please tell me someone is saving this on an archive site.

Screwtape did so not far back. And here's the latest one, hot off the press:
https://web.archive.org/web/20161030005 ... en-thread/

#57415

MarcusAu wrote:Since the subject of Watson came up - I was wondering if anyone can recall her ever saying anything critical of Shermer?

She was certainly in his target demographic when they were both doing the convention rounds.

I think it was mentioned at The Pit before that Watson seemed to stay clear of the pile-on for Shermer. I seem to remember one theory being that Shermer and Watson got it on at a convention(s), and Watson is perhaps wary of that coming out. Could be worse though. It could come out that Watson was one of the many ladies to have Carrier jizzing streams of cottage cheese over her face. Imagine that. Then again, don't imagine that.

#57416

Andrew; Expert on racism, Gazi Kodzo, has determined that the comtamination of brown people by white blood is a product of rape, because a a POC can not consent to sex with a cavebeast or a cavebecky, because of the power imbalance. Do educate yourself:

#57417

free thoughtpolice wrote:Andrew; Expert on racism, Gazi Kodzo, has determined that the comtamination of brown people by white blood is a product of rape, because a a POC can not consent to sex with a cavebeast or a cavebecky, because of the power imbalance. Do educate yourself:
[.youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IbN0oFvdVY[/youtube]

Oh! OK then. I had no idea!

So she can use the science to show that despite looking like Whitey White McWhiteFace she is actually the product of RAPE RAPE RAPE!!!

Sounds like a pure win to me.

The only problem being of course if she does turn out to be 100% Whitey White McWhiteFace. Can she claim TransRacial status to explain any charges of cultural appropriation?

Can she claim we are committing violence just for even discussing it here in our safe sapce?

#57418

AndrewV69 wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:Andrew; Expert on racism, Gazi Kodzo, has determined that the comtamination of brown people by white blood is a product of rape, because a a POC can not consent to sex with a cavebeast or a cavebecky, because of the power imbalance. Do educate yourself:
[.youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IbN0oFvdVY[/youtube]
Oh! OK then. I had no idea!

So she can use the science to show that despite looking like Whitey White McWhiteFace she is actually the product of RAPE RAPE RAPE!!!

Sounds like a pure win to me.

The only problem being of course if she does turn out to be 100% Whitey White McWhiteFace. Can she claim TransRacial status to explain any charges of cultural appropriation?

Can she claim we are committing violence just for even discussing it here in our safe sapce?

The problem is, she is mostly white, and therefore the perp and not the victim.
There is no safe sapce, just like there is no clean coal. :naughty:

#57419

I'm having to pursue my daughters harasser across into Caine's thread thingie on PZ's blog.

http://i.imgur.com/WjmxOoI.jpg

#57420

Woah that's a crazy person