Brive1987 wrote:And why is Amy trying draw animals again?
(Octo-thing done in the characteristic Surly style)
M'sieur, you have borked the image. I'm looking forward to seeing it because Surly Amy's art always cheers me up...
Brive1987 wrote:And why is Amy trying draw animals again?
(Octo-thing done in the characteristic Surly style)
Do you remember when he did this?:JackSkeptic wrote:As to Damion I do not see him trying to lay any entrapments so whatever. If we all thought the same it would be very boring. Anyway he earned a lot of points from me for his performance on the Sargon podcast.
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:I've made perfectly clear, as have Billie, Jet-Lagg, deLurch, et al., what age range we're talking about. It's fascinating to watch you continue to dick around with the ages, as if that somehow will confuse us, distract everyone from the main point, and let you win the debate by default.D4M10N wrote:You mean 18-y.o.'s, right? If you mean 16-17, then it must've happened at some other camp, outside of California.
Of course I care about it. Unlike almost everyone here, I've actually seen the joy that it brings to these kids year after year. If you take down SSA, nothing really changes. The independent student-run chapters simply rebrand and carry on. If you take down Camp Quest, you take away the one week out of the year where these kids get to feel like themselves without having to put up the usual mental barriers.CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:What makes this one fun is that Damion actually cares about this. This is near and dear to what passes for his heart. Some of his bluster and cluster is an actual attempt to distract from Camp Quest's blunders and the likely perversions going on in management. It really wasn't set up to be Carrier's hunting ground because of Damion's feels and reasons, bro...
This illustrates the symbiotic relationship between SJW crazies and death threat-issuing crazies. They both feed one another and enable one another.Mothra's Dentist wrote:Well, to be fair, in Berkeley that qualifies her only as a moderate. Nonetheless, the parents of her students can't be happyService Dog wrote:Internet claims she teaches 7th & 8th grade at a public school in Berkeley. And recruits kids into a violent cult.Mothra's Dentist wrote:For anyone interested in mob violence, file this under When the left becomes more fascistic than the right. Here is a new clip from the recent fighting in Sacramento recently. The woman is the leader of ByAnyMeansNecessary (BAMN), Yvette Felarca. Go to 3:45 if you want to get to the nitty gritty.
[youtube]76xZBgFhm6Q[/youtube]
http://www.berkeleyside.com/2016/06/27/ ... l-teacher/
That pretty much covers it.gurugeorge wrote:The preponderance of evidence suggests that Jesus may originally have been a syncretic mythical figure who was historicized in the early 1st century AD.Matt Cavanaugh wrote: In 25 words or less, summarize Dr. Richard Carrier, PhD.'s scholarly research into, and findings on, the historicity of Jesus.
Oh the fee feesEasy J wrote:Do you remember when he did this?:JackSkeptic wrote:As to Damion I do not see him trying to lay any entrapments so whatever. If we all thought the same it would be very boring. Anyway he earned a lot of points from me for his performance on the Sargon podcast.
http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 33#p252533
As I often say about Carrier: he presents valid arguments and original ones, but never both at the same time. Basically a dung beetle who then tried to carve out a niche of his own via a juvenile misapplication of Bayes.Easy J wrote:He largely cribs that part of his view from Earl Doherty, who makes a much more elaborate case along those lines. Carrier banked a lot on his Bayesian hobbyhorse. The rest of his last book was mostly a generic summation of the views of the better mythicists.jet_lagg wrote: I would add that Carrier emphasizes the people of that time would have had a very different understanding of reality, in which celestial planes existed and functioned much like our plane. The story then goes the original Christians believed Jesus was a purely celestial being, running about and getting crucified, what-have-you, on the celestial plane, but this understanding was lost within the next century.
I actually blushed a bit for your sake on that one, Damey. I know you're a piece of shit & all, but that HAD to be embarrassing. Credit to you for slinking back after a long silence.d4m10n wrote:Oh the fee feesEasy J wrote:Do you remember when he did this?:JackSkeptic wrote:As to Damion I do not see him trying to lay any entrapments so whatever. If we all thought the same it would be very boring. Anyway he earned a lot of points from me for his performance on the Sargon podcast.
http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 33#p252533
Hell yes. Welcome back!Parody Accountant wrote:[youtube]IO1GKfkjIiM[/youtube]
That's awesome. And you did it without drenching a college bookstore in 60 gallons of water and HIV-infected Danios. At least, I imagine you didn't.ERV wrote:And today I got reviews back on a paper I submitted-- comments/suggestions I can totally address, and I agree would make the paper better. We were aiming kinda high for this journal, and it might actually go in.
:hankey:
Y hello there ol' chapParody Accountant wrote:[youtube]IO1GKfkjIiM[/youtube]
Guest_3689e63c wrote:Oh dear, I replied to something on an 18 month old page which had linked to show some of Damion's fun and games.
No more Hobgoblin for me this evening.
It's one thing to select a reference class out of, say, the thousands or millions of people on an Rx (e.g., women?? People with heart disease?? People on another Rx??). But Dicky puts Jesus in a reference class of exactly 14 (IIRC) "mythic heroes". A class he pulls out of his ass to match his a priori concept of Jesus. Why not the class 'failed messianic prophets'? Or '1st century dudes named Yeshua'? The whole exercise is completely fucking retarded, wholly unsuited for the question. Bayes is by nature prone to GIGO (it's also been used to prove Jesus rose from the dead), and Dicky backed up a dump truck full of garbage to the formula.jet_lagg wrote: We're seeing eye to eye, though I used to bank on his bayesian hobbyhorse as well. It could just be a product of the way my mind works and the history of my experience, but I see a huge amount of wasted time arising from people talking past one another, basically not defining their terms precisely enough. A mathematical approach to any subject will thus appeal to me, as the ambiguity of natural language is done away with. The amount of debate that arose over something like the reference class problem with Carrier's theories was again a feature, not a bug. There had always been disagreement, but now it is more obvious precisely where the disagreement was.
Wow that's ugly. Anatole of Paris ugly.MacGruberKnows wrote:Here is the awful 'English hat' that had all of the balaclava'd freedom fighters in a uproar:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cluw7kvUoAArhWe.jpg
Fuck me.
Kind of like when you go to a Trump rally waving a Mexican flag, you lose moron. You are just free advertising for Trump.
And too stupid to realize it.
Buy it flowers and bring it to a nice restaurant. :rimshot:Matt Cavanaugh wrote:Does anyone know how to date this page?
https://campquestwest.secure.force.com/ ... 000003dOni
That's just mythicism in general. (though I'd move the historicization to the mid- 2nd)gurugeorge wrote:The preponderance of evidence suggests that Jesus may originally have been a syncretic mythical figure who was historicized in the early 1st century AD.Matt Cavanaugh wrote: In 25 words or less, summarize Dr. Richard Carrier, PhD.'s scholarly research into, and findings on, the historicity of Jesus.
No. He was involved with Camp Quest West in California in 2007 & 2009. No other states.Brive1987 wrote:I'm putting a Carrier page together at my wix site. When I'm not flying to Adelaide or drowning with the avalanche of 'opportunity' at the new job.
Quick question (and yes I'm trying to make sense of the Damion / Camp Quest thing)
We have Carrier specifying legal age as his floor.
We know in some states that equals 16.
So that means in general, and failing new info, he could be pinged for theoretical sub 17 'child' poon.
Now specifically we have him involved with Camp Quest West where the floor specifies 18 years.
Camp Quest West has younger than 18 year old campers but this is sub-floor.
Can we place Carrier at a Camp Quest in a 16yo legal age state? That would be useful information.
Next you'll tell us that his work on Unified Field Theory should also be discounted.Matt Cavanaugh wrote: It's one thing to select a reference class out of, say, the thousands or millions of people on an Rx (e.g., women?? People with heart disease?? People on another Rx??). But Dicky puts Jesus in a reference class of exactly 14 (IIRC) "mythic heroes". A class he pulls out of his ass to match his a priori concept of Jesus. Why not the class 'failed messianic prophets'? Or '1st century dudes named Yeshua'? The whole exercise is completely fucking retarded, wholly unsuited for the question. Bayes is by nature prone to GIGO (it's also been used to prove Jesus rose from the dead), and Dicky backed up a dump truck full of garbage to the formula.
The links you delivered don't tell any of this. There were rapes, without doubt, by people who came here last year. Which is not that surprising given that we're speaking of between 500k and 1mio people, many of them young men (numbers differ because quite a lot seem to have been counted twice and thrice and there was no accounting for people leaving again, e.g. to enter Denmark, Sweden or France; others seem to have come illegaly from other European countries they already were staying in). Some of these were bizarre where women or girls were assaulted or raped at baths. A lot of them seem to be connected to the fucked-up, Islam-fuelled cultures the culprits come from with people not even showing any understanding they're trying to commit a serious felony. But don't confuse media attention with actual numbers or threat assessments: remember, from Germany it looks like gun violence is a common part of your American suburbian experience.AndrewV69 wrote:Meanwhile,
If I am reading the reports correctly, the number of actual criminal sexual assault, including violent rape (the real kind, when women are beaten into submission first if they object) are growing all across Germany. The perps are usually "migrants" that Angela Merkel apparently let into the country.
All these articles describe a single incident that was reported as follows: a group of 20-30 migrants following, sexually assaulting and filming a group of three underage girls (15, 16, 17 y.o.).
That link doesn't work for me. Bild has a adblock-blocker and this only brings me to their main site even if I disable mine. Which I wish not to do again because Bild is a fucked-up tabloid which I feel about like some people seem to feel about D3m70n.
This is a discussion about how to report criminal incidences where Muslims/immigrants/brown people are involved. Usually, the press (by their own ethical guidelines) would only report the origin, religion or ethnicity of a suspect if there were clear factual connection to the crime. The same would be done in police press releases. This changed after Cologne, if not in the regulations then in practice (see Zeit article above). That's a whole different discussion, but one that was actually had in length after Cologne.
We Germans are aware. It doesn't help to spread false reports, though. And not to lose perspectice on how big the problem really is - with regards to numbers, not the pain of the actual victims. Again, see gun violence reporting and draw the connection.I can not be the only one who is aware of the reports coming out of Germany can I?
I love how Brive compiles all these files, logs, flowcharts, and timesheets. I wish I had that level of autism.Brive1987 wrote:I'm putting a Carrier page together at my wix site. When I'm not flying to Adelaide or drowning with the avalanche of 'opportunity' at the new job.
Quick question (and yes I'm trying to make sense of the Damion / Camp Quest thing)
We have Carrier specifying legal age as his floor.
We know in some states that equals 16.
So that means in general, and failing new info, he could be pinged for theoretical sub 17 'child' poon.
Now specifically we have him involved with Camp Quest West where the floor specifies 18 years.
Camp Quest West has younger than 18 year old campers but this is sub-floor.
Can we place Carrier at a Camp Quest in a 16yo legal age state? That would be useful information.
http://archive.is/Z8CxvSecond: age of consent was twelve
• Although it appears mostly sexual activity started at 14
• (women typically married at that age or not far from)
• But it wasn't stuprum unless they were under 12
• Even having sex with a slave under age was a sex crime
• And teen boys & girls were granted more autonomy than now
• But no one anguished over mental competence of teenagers to consent
• And slaves had no choice
• So normalized, just a thing boys and girls developed skills to cope with
• Many maybe pursued their sexual autonomy at that young age, but still
The best I can think of are quotes of Carrier accusing people of "ageism" & being "ageist" by dissing his targeting "young women." But the context of this is in regards to college aged girls.Brive1987 wrote:Or better yet, a Carrier quote dissing legal age laws much as he dissed the SSA ruling.
Um. 150$... saw the paperback go for $500. Looks really amazing though. My service dog alerted me to it a few months ago.MarcusAu wrote:PA,
Here's a book I used to have - it's no longer in print but you may be able to find a second hand copy somewhere.
Hope you will find it of interest.
So refute it or ignore it. In the long run, those involved are not trying to pin Carrier for banging barely legal. It is pointing out that the poor decisions by the married couple that run SSA/Camp Quest have resulted in a potential PR nightmare for them and a black mark for atheist organizations everywhere.DW Adams wrote:Jesus fuck, this child fucking witchhunt is becoming unbearable.
Nowhere. But he will be setting up shop on richardcarrier.infoParody Accountant wrote:Where is Carrier writing now?
PA! We all assumed the cirrhosis had got you. Welcome back!Parody Accountant wrote:Um. 150$... saw the paperback go for $500. Looks really amazing though. My service dog alerted me to it a few months ago.MarcusAu wrote:PA,
Here's a book I used to have - it's no longer in print but you may be able to find a second hand copy somewhere.
Hope you will find it of interest.
I checked some book torrent sites, couldn't find it ):
Are you drinking any less?Parody Accountant wrote:That's a good assumption to make screwtape. Haha I don't drink any more though.
...
It is almost as if some folks have stared into the abyss, while the abyss stared back into them.DW Adams wrote:Jesus fuck, this child fucking witchhunt is becoming unbearable.
PA, I am sorry hear you haven't found fulfillment in your quest for Dix. I'm sure that one day you'll find a learherbound one that's in your price range.Parody Accountant wrote:Um. 150$... saw the paperback go for $500. Looks really amazing though. My service dog alerted me to it a few months ago.MarcusAu wrote:PA,
Here's a book I used to have - it's no longer in print but you may be able to find a second hand copy somewhere.
Hope you will find it of interest.
I checked some book torrent sites, couldn't find it ):
And all the while Carrier was doing all of this, he and his former FTB allies were broadcasting every lie they could get their hands on to put black marks on JREF, CFI and every other possible organization. Carrier himself participated in the witch hunt, saying shit like this about Shermer:CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:So refute it or ignore it. In the long run, those involved are not trying to pin Carrier for banging barely legal. It is pointing out that the poor decisions by the married couple that run SSA/Camp Quest have resulted in a potential PR nightmare for them and a black mark for atheist organizations everywhere.DW Adams wrote:Jesus fuck, this child fucking witchhunt is becoming unbearable.
Damion, pay attention. You have the polyamorous wife of SSA, who is the head of CQ banging Carrier. You have Carrier's own words that he will have sex with people of the age of consent. You have Carrier bragging that he has slept with students. You have a complaint against Carrier, but instead of removing him entirely, you have him skirting the rules and yet still getting gigs. You have the mysterious Facebook announcement that Carrier was now working for CQ during the drive to Carrier's new home, coincidentally the loccation of CQ headquarters, as Carrier was driving and banging (hopefully not at the same time) the head of CQ and the wife of the SSA.
Really, how is this NOT a mistake on SSA/CQ?
If JREF/CFI are evil and hate women because they didn't simply take Stollznow at her lies and even spent money to uncover those still-unacknowledged lies, why shouldn't we apply the same scrutiny to SSA and to Camp Quest? SSA knew Carrier was poonhounding their events all across the country. They did nothing. They quietly gave him a non-punishment that Carrier, amazingly, interpreted as a license to poonhound. The heads of SSA and Camp Quest are married and Carrier is fucking at least one of them on the regular.Because I also believe the preponderance of evidence is sufficient to conclude Shermer probably has crossed moral lines. I have seen enough evidence to establish, in my own mind, at least a 50.1% chance that Shermer has not just cheated or fooled around, but has left a wake of victimized women in his path, that he has not conducted himself morally, and that he is probably not good or safe company (especially for women). Again, I am not witness to this. I am only inferring it from what has been said online by those who do claim to have witnessed evidence of it.
I saw him in that documentary The God Who Wasn't There aorund 2006 and he was doing fine then (must be careful, haven't watched in a long time). I even checked up on Moral Sense Without God or however his book was called but that was either out of press or so expensive (and me quite poor) I didn't get a copy.JackSkeptic wrote:To be fair I have head Carrier on a podcast and he comes across as intelligent and erudite. I am no expert but he did seem to have a wide and detailed knowledge of his topic. He was calm, kind and patient with the interviewer.
I really can't tell the difference aynmore between an aspergian narcissist, a confident autist, and a sociopathic fabulist. As a frequent self-diagnoser this makes me nervous.It is a shame he clearly has NPD or he could have gone places. I think it is his NPD that caused him to fall head first into the SJW insanity. In some ways I see him as a victim, one of many thousands like him.
Yes. Amanda K. Metskas. I tend to call her Mrs. Camp Quest because I don't really think either her or Camp Quest is really all that relevant, so it isn't worth remembering her name.Parody Accountant wrote:Is Mrs. Camp Quest a public person / a person with pictures prominently displayed? I've seen lots of Auggie. Didn't know he was cucked by autistic jizzers
Consenting adults, none of (y)our business.CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:You have the polyamorous wife of SSA, who is the head of CQ banging Carrier.
In context, talking about California.CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:You have Carrier's own words that he will have sex with people of the age of consent.
Dated, but probably yeah.CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:You have Carrier bragging that he has slept with students.
I wholeheartedly called bullshit on that.CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:You have a complaint against Carrier, but instead of removing him entirely, you have him skirting the rules and yet still getting gigs.
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:You have the mysterious Facebook announcement that Carrier was now working for CQ during the drive to Carrier's new home, coincidentally the location of CQ headquarters, as Carrier was driving and banging (hopefully not at the same time) the head of CQ and the wife of the SSA.
It is not a mistake on the part of CQ if he was never linked to them (in real life, not on a glitchy social media platform) subsequent to his alleged sexual misconduct at SSA.CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:Really, how is this NOT a mistake on SSA/CQ?
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/MAAC/Pages/default.aspxGuest_62726bcf wrote:There might not be a budget, but Illinois could become the first state with a law on the books that gives Muslims a formal voice in government.
The creation of an Illinois Muslim-American Advisory Council is one of more than 400 bills awaiting Gov. Bruce Rauner's signature.
I'm not allowed to post urls, so Google it yourself.
I wish people would stop posting pictures of PZ's meals. They're throughly unappetising.Really? wrote:https://www.urbanseedling.com/wp-conten ... g-trap.jpg
Basically... yeah. But at least Farage is happy. Silver lining.feathers wrote:If this has been posted before, I've missed it in the enormous amount of spunk.
Normally yes.d4m10n wrote:Consenting adults, none of (y)our business.CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:You have the polyamorous wife of SSA, who is the head of CQ banging Carrier.
In context, Richard Carrier regularly travels across the country doing speaking gigs and picking up road ass.d4m10n wrote:In context, talking about California.CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:You have Carrier's own words that he will have sex with people of the age of consent.
I think Carrier & Mrs. Camp Quest are bullshitting us on their stories. I think it was a decision that got walked back as soon as Amy Frank had a conniption fit over it. In any case, an acceptable decision has been made, and I don't think it is worth while to pursue the Camp Quest thing any further.d4m10n wrote:CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:You have the mysterious Facebook announcement that Carrier was now working for CQ during the drive to Carrier's new home, coincidentally the location of CQ headquarters, as Carrier was driving and banging (hopefully not at the same time) the head of CQ and the wife of the SSA.
He has never been employed by CQ, so far as anyone can tell. He was a guest speaker some years ago.
To be fair, he has had dealings with them. Was he a counselor? We don't have proof of that at the moment. But he has stumped for them for years and has spoken for them.d4m10n wrote:
It is not a mistake on the part of CQ if he was never linked to them (in real life, not on a glitchy social media platform) subsequent to his alleged sexual misconduct at SSA.
Any cash offer for 'dirt' on FtB from Carrier is bound to be disappointing at best. At worst we get detailed spills on their sexual liasons. The only time that real dirt of any value will be spilled is if Carrier does it out of self protection.Service Dog wrote:Can we simply offer Carrier cash for his inside dirt on FtB?
Any of you whores willing to swap stories with him? Quid pro quo.
It's too late, dude. Carrier is a hypocritical dickhead/actually-an-abuser-unlike-the-rest and must be destroyed somehow - we need to dig in and find some impropriety.DW Adams wrote:Jesus fuck, this child fucking witchhunt is becoming unbearable.
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:Before anybody begins crying too many tears, crocodile or otherwise for poor Carrier, ask yourself how exactly is he fucked?
I agree, lots of bullshit being peddled on the internet. Still, MENA and East African immigrants to Germany are worryingly overrepresented in criminal stats, compared to the rest. Funnily enough, aside from Turks who are generally good boys, Syrians in Germany seem to be overall underrepresented in those stats compared to other immigrants from the area:German StrutBoatsman wrote:We Germans are aware. It doesn't help to spread false reports, though. And not to lose perspectice on how big the problem really is - with regards to numbers, not the pain of the actual victims.
I don't see how Bayes is more prone to GIGO than any other method of reasoning ("reasoning" being used in a broad sense there, since additional reasoning needs to be stacked atop bayes). You reference Craig, so it's fair to point out he was able to wield the Kalam Cosmological Argument without appealing to math. There might be a concern about about dazzling people with equations, intimidating them out of looking any further, but the equations aren't any harder to wrap my head around than regular academic language. I think it clarifies a lot of points. Carrier is easy to parody with his grand claims that everything reduces to bayes (everything also reduces to algebra, or geometry), but I still say there is something to salvage there.Matt Cavanaugh wrote:It's one thing to select a reference class out of, say, the thousands or millions of people on an Rx (e.g., women?? People with heart disease?? People on another Rx??). But Dicky puts Jesus in a reference class of exactly 14 (IIRC) "mythic heroes". A class he pulls out of his ass to match his a priori concept of Jesus. Why not the class 'failed messianic prophets'? Or '1st century dudes named Yeshua'? The whole exercise is completely fucking retarded, wholly unsuited for the question. Bayes is by nature prone to GIGO (it's also been used to prove Jesus rose from the dead), and Dicky backed up a dump truck full of garbage to the formula.jet_lagg wrote: We're seeing eye to eye, though I used to bank on his bayesian hobbyhorse as well. It could just be a product of the way my mind works and the history of my experience, but I see a huge amount of wasted time arising from people talking past one another, basically not defining their terms precisely enough. A mathematical approach to any subject will thus appeal to me, as the ambiguity of natural language is done away with. The amount of debate that arose over something like the reference class problem with Carrier's theories was again a feature, not a bug. There had always been disagreement, but now it is more obvious precisely where the disagreement was.