What the hell is that song about, anyway? Lots of people in New Orleans loved it for some reason ... is it the levee part? My next door neighbors were mad for it - they'd have birthday parties for their kids, and all the adults would get drunk and sing the song while bobbing around in the pool.deLurch wrote: [youtube]ih7N9_VUU4U[/youtube]
He continues to lecture others on morality. He's a fucking paedo, rape merchant by his own standards. The police should be searching his computers and the FTB network servers.AndrewV69 wrote:PeeZuss is a hypocrite of the first water. By his own standards he is fostering rape culture and shielding a rapist. Not to mention him providing a safe space for Oggie the child molester. Never mind he is a harasser of women himself, again by his own standards.NoGodsEver wrote:Over at Pharyngula, PZ proves, and I mean, proves, that rape culture exists at universities. He went to one frat party 40 years ago, and there was drinking, talk of drunken sex, and 'crass jokes'. Game, set, and match, shitlords!
He didn't mean to imply that he has "dated" students since his SSA punishment. He explicitly states it. Otherwise why make a distinction between "students" and "former students" with that confusing "or"?d4m10n wrote:Who doesn't date former students? Bit of wiggle room there, but maybe he really did mean to imply that he is currently dating students that he met through SSA. If so, that utterly takes the biscuit. We're going to need a stronger word for shamelessness.Really? wrote:
From Carrier's "Bitchez Be Lyin'" post:
http://archive.is/xK0h6So the SSA didn’t have to pick sides in a dispute. There wasn’t any dispute. I did not challenge the complaint (believing it to be describing the only actual incident it could possibly have been describing). And they already noted that I had publicly said years ago that if I wanted to have the freedom to date students (and thus express interest in them), and the SSA insisted on that being against policy, “I’d just withdraw from the SSA Speaker’s Bureau.” So we agreed that’s what I should do. And I did. I haven’t been on it for over a year. And I since date or have dated students or former students, without incident.
BarnOwl wrote:What the hell is that song about, anyway?
Don McLean makes several references to lyrics from Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens & The Big Bopper.On February 3, 1959, rock and roll musicians Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, and J. P. "The Big Bopper" Richardson were killed in a plane crash near Clear Lake, Iowa, together with the pilot, Roger Peterson. The event later became known as "The Day the Music Died", after singer-songwriter Don McLean so referred to it in his 1971 song "American Pie".
As far as its popularity, I guess it is an easy listening song, with good vocals, and plenty of (for the time) pop culture references.BarnOwl wrote:Lots of people in New Orleans loved it for some reason ... is it the levee part? My next door neighbors were mad for it - they'd have birthday parties for their kids, and all the adults would get drunk and sing the song while bobbing around in the pool.
Then we are just moving the overton window in their favour by normalizing their retardedness.Really? wrote:I would love to agree with you, but for the past five years, Carrier and his friends have made it clear that birth rape is real, hair rape is possible and any possible discomfort a man causes a woman is a very, very serious issue.DaveDodo007 wrote:
Christ, the puritan nature is deeply ingrained in American culture. sometimes a shag is just a shag.
They changed the rules of the game. We told them it was a bad idea and these were stupid rules. They ignored us and now every organization is poisoned. They must be held to their own standards by people like us because they are sure as hell not going to do it for themselves. (As evidenced by PZ's silence.)
I get names mixed up and for a second I thought you meant Sulkowicz (Mattress Girl)and had momentary visions of Carrier doing a re-enactment video.Really? wrote:I'd probably be willing to kick in a few bucks if it meant getting Carrier to do a Stollznow-like video. "Hi, I'm Richard Carrier. The bigots in the atheist community are trying to harm my reputation just because I traveled the country for years trying to fuck college girls. Please dig deep and support me against my harassers."
I disagree. I only expect them to be held to their own standards. Everyone gets a reasonable hearing from me. If some random guy gets accused of sexual harassment at the upcoming SSA convention, I will hold him only to reasonable definitions when I judge his guilt. (Over the Internet.)DaveDodo007 wrote:Then we are just moving the overton window in their favour by normalizing their retardedness.Really? wrote:I would love to agree with you, but for the past five years, Carrier and his friends have made it clear that birth rape is real, hair rape is possible and any possible discomfort a man causes a woman is a very, very serious issue.DaveDodo007 wrote:
Christ, the puritan nature is deeply ingrained in American culture. sometimes a shag is just a shag.
They changed the rules of the game. We told them it was a bad idea and these were stupid rules. They ignored us and now every organization is poisoned. They must be held to their own standards by people like us because they are sure as hell not going to do it for themselves. (As evidenced by PZ's silence.)
Don't give Carrier any ideas. He would save a lot of time if he just carried a mattress around with him.Shatterface wrote:I get names mixed up and for a second I thought you meant Sulkowicz (Mattress Girl)and had momentary visions of Carrier doing a re-enactment video.Really? wrote:I'd probably be willing to kick in a few bucks if it meant getting Carrier to do a Stollznow-like video. "Hi, I'm Richard Carrier. The bigots in the atheist community are trying to harm my reputation just because I traveled the country for years trying to fuck college girls. Please dig deep and support me against my harassers."
Still, I wouldn't put that past him.
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I think I see an outline of RC in the leaves of that tree.d4m10n wrote: http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016062 ... 033282.jpg
The accusations specifically against Richard Carrier are, sadly, not so surprising to the Skepticon organizers. While he was a featured speaker for many years, we stopped inviting him to speak partly because of his repeated boundary-pushing behavior, including towards someone involved in Skepticon. What has been made clear by the recent discussions is that our attendees’ well being and comfort is put at an unacceptable risk by Carrier’s presence, and so we are officially prohibiting Richard Carrier from attending any future Skepticons.
RC is the kind of guy who thinks he will be better off defending himself.deLurch wrote:Richard brings in $15k a year. He isn't about to scratch up enough to retain a lawyer. And no one is going to crowd fund Richard's sexscapade. Plus Greta & Heina don't make enough for a lawyer to go after them on contingency on such a dicey subject.Cnutella wrote:I wonder whether Greta or Heina are going to blog about this? They seem pissed off enough on FB. If they don't end up writing a post publicly chastising SSA, maybe it's because they have decided that the background whispering campaign is maybe safer way to get the word out without causing another major public scandal?
Alternatively, they may feel that a somewhat stealthy campaign is less likely to become a lightning rod for any potential legal action than posting on the blogging platform they both played a role in creating. Both of them appear to be broke and there is now precedent for legal action against bloggers who make questionable allegations, and the SSA seem like they have the resources to sue if necessary.
Still, I would think a post that stuck to the facts would be pretty damning, and rather hard to contest. Strange.
Peez should be screaming about Carrier's lewd escapades from the rooftops - along with the SSA's complicity in ensuring Dicky gets regular access to the poon despite the complaint that was made against him. Recall how Peez raked JREF & Grothe over the coals because of Grothe's perceived inaction over a similar complaint? 'BELIEVE THE WOMEN! BELIEVE THE WOMEN!' The fat tosser screeched. And now he's faced with an ol' buddy from his own camp - and Peez is either hesistating or simply isn't gonna address it. What a cunt. What an utter, utter cunt. Seriously, dude needs be be slapped repeatedly over the head with a condom stuffed with frozen shit.deLurch wrote:You know it is kind of interesting as other people have noted that Greta, Heinna & pz have been silent on their blogs. Maybe concerned about the PR backlash.
But you know what. If Richard Carrier does get let off the hook with a swat on the hand, we are absolutely going to ride them on this until the end of time. They won't be able to say boo about anyone else if they let Carrier off the hook.
Zvan I love you :popcorn:
So if he wasn't an 'Ally' they would have been all over the internet telling people how bad he was as soon as they possibly could. Yet they only react now. And Myers? Crickets.Really? wrote:AND SKEPTICON BANNED HIM.
http://archive.is/M49KA
The accusations specifically against Richard Carrier are, sadly, not so surprising to the Skepticon organizers. While he was a featured speaker for many years, we stopped inviting him to speak partly because of his repeated boundary-pushing behavior, including towards someone involved in Skepticon. What has been made clear by the recent discussions is that our attendees’ well being and comfort is put at an unacceptable risk by Carrier’s presence, and so we are officially prohibiting Richard Carrier from attending any future Skepticons.
[youtube]akb0kD7EHIk[/youtube]johnself wrote:Zvan I love you :popcorn:
MindBoggled says
June 19, 2016 at 4:16 pm
Richard,
You Tweeted:
“Wasn’t banned. Removed from bureau. Speakers don’t have to be on bureau, & when not, don’t have to abide by the stricter policy.”
Let me get this straight. One or more complaints were lodged against you and SSA investigated. In response they removed you from the Speakers’ Bureau presumably because they found you to be in violation of applicable policies. Correct me if I’ve gone wrong so far.
All that said you are still allowed to speak at SSA events but you just no longer are bound by the policies you have violated? Is that about right?
In effect you got caught with your hand in the cookie jar and SSA’s reaction is to remove your restrictions or prohibition on getting into the cookie jar? They’ll happily invite you back into the kitchen only now you can dip into that cookie jar at will without violating any policies?
Are you effing kidding with this or what? This is a joke right? Both you and SSA feel that’s an appropriate response? This is what you consider to be ethical? This is what SSA considers to be a responsive action? Unbelievable.
Reply
Richard Carrier says
June 20, 2016 at 3:36 pm
Only one complaint. For violating the one policy that only has to be followed to be on the speaker’s bureau, not to be a speaker. Speakers are covered by other policies, but not that one. It’s only a requirement to be boosted by the SSA national with promotion and funding for local affiliates. I have written before on why I don’t think that overly strict policy is one any organization should have. And most orgs agree (which is why no such policy exists in most other orgs). But the SSA national doesn’t have to promote speakers or fund speakers for local affiliates. So that they only apply that overly strict policy to that one activity is their prerogative. One then has the freedom to decide whether they want the perks in exchange for submitting to greater restrictions, or not. And affiliates have the same choice of whom to bring in as a speaker.
About fuckin time, too. Now Carrier will hopefully get a lesson in how utterly obtuse and downright vindictive Zvan can be.
We all know they don't follow their own rules and it is OK when they do it. They defend paedos on their side all the time, Carrier will only be destroyed when they want a witch hunt and nothing we say will changed this. Giving legitimacy to any of their rules is counter productive in my opinion. Pointing out their hypocrisy is fine, demanding that they adhere to their insane rules rather than abandoning them sure is worrisome.Really? wrote:DaveDodo007 wrote:
I disagree. I only expect them to be held to their own standards. Everyone gets a reasonable hearing from me. If some random guy gets accused of sexual harassment at the upcoming SSA convention, I will hold him only to reasonable definitions when I judge his guilt. (Over the Internet.)
As an example, think of Adria Richards. The men she attacked just told a childish joke around her and then apologized like crazy when she took offense. This is zero bad.
Adria, on the other hand, fucked with peoples' livelihoods because she's an eavesdropping bitch and she decided that when she is offended, heads must roll.
http://allthingsd.com/files/2013/03/adr ... rds380.jpg
However, Adria Richards also made cock jokes on her twitter account, one that was tied to her employment.
http://i2.wp.com/www.antifeministtech.i ... /socks.jpg
She deserved to be fired because she violated her own moronic rules. The men did not deserve to be fired.
But how can they destroy each other if they don't demand that they all follow their insane rules? We do the very valuable work of making public their many, many lapses that might otherwise get swept under the CampQueSSA rug.DaveDodo007 wrote:
We all know they don't follow their own rules and it is OK when they do it. They defend paedos on their side all the time, Carrier will only be destroyed when they want a witch hunt and nothing we say will changed this. Giving legitimacy to any of their rules is counter productive in my opinion. Pointing out their hypocrisy is fine, demanding that they adhere to their insane rules rather than abandoning them sure is worrisome.
Why do you believe Carrier, who writes as if he all he did was nothing more than trying to set up a 'date' with her? Even if what Carrier wrote is true, he is in my mind still a sexual predator who hangs around students with the aim of getting in their panties. He is a guy who undoubtedly considers women as sex objects, and I can well imagine that the female students he tries to 'date' are sick and tired of middle-aged creeps like him. They have a right not to be forced to share company with such people, if it can be avoided. The SSA and affiliated organisations have a duty towards the students not to employ types like Carrier in any capacity.Richard Carrier, the man who sexually harassed me and touched me a year ago after speaking at ASU
Too little, too late.Really? wrote:<snip>Most importantly, this SJW bullshit is a cult. It cannot be destroyed from the outside. It must be destroyed from within. We saw this with Jonestown. We see this with Scientology. We have seen this in the FTB/Orbit schism, the Benson TERF War and in countless other ways. I think it's our responsibility to add oxygen to that fire so it burns out as quickly as possible. Unless we're all fine with SSA resembling a Catholic Church and Reason Rally drawing fewer people than the grand opening of a dollar store.
Cool cool. Yeah for those who may be wondering, they were setting up a desk next to where I was sitting. The desk are motorized to allow you to change from sitting to standing during the day.Brive1987 wrote:Get stuffed.comhcinc wrote:Quick post for my new job. It's pretty awesome. Hey Brive the company just moved into this new building. I am surrounded by cat6.[imghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160620/bf9191e542a2c1fb70420f7f5661e878.jpg[/img]
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I'm travelling to Melbourne today just to see the company's brand new purpose build office on the "Paris End" of Collins Street. And to meet one of the IT war bands. I am almost certain there will be no BNC coax. And I have packed my black tee shirt to blend in. pics to follow.
Congrats, well done Com! :dance:
The witch trial begins. :dance:Really? wrote:AND SKEPTICON BANNED HIM.
http://archive.is/M49KA
The accusations specifically against Richard Carrier are, sadly, not so surprising to the Skepticon organizers. While he was a featured speaker for many years, we stopped inviting him to speak partly because of his repeated boundary-pushing behavior, including towards someone involved in Skepticon. What has been made clear by the recent discussions is that our attendees’ well being and comfort is put at an unacceptable risk by Carrier’s presence, and so we are officially prohibiting Richard Carrier from attending any future Skepticons.
Yeah. Seems an odd omission. But this should grant permission to the baboons & bring out years of overlooked leg humping stories.hippodown wrote:Notice how svan never mentions the potential conflict of interests involving Metkas and hubby.
You cock. I had forgotten about her and her nasty, spiteful, hypocritical, cuntishness.Really? wrote:
I disagree. I only expect them to be held to their own standards. Everyone gets a reasonable hearing from me. If some random guy gets accused of sexual harassment at the upcoming SSA convention, I will hold him only to reasonable definitions when I judge his guilt. (Over the Internet.)
As an example, think of Adria Richards. The men she attacked just told a childish joke around her and then apologized like crazy when she took offense. This is zero bad.
Adria, on the other hand, fucked with peoples' livelihoods because she's an eavesdropping bitch and she decided that when she is offended, heads must roll.
http://allthingsd.com/files/2013/03/adr ... rds380.jpg
However, Adria Richards also made cock jokes on her twitter account, one that was tied to her employment.
http://i2.wp.com/www.antifeministtech.i ... /socks.jpg
She deserved to be fired because she violated her own moronic rules. The men did not deserve to be fired.
I sort of agree though I don't want to give any weight to their positions.Really? wrote:But how can they destroy each other if they don't demand that they all follow their insane rules? We do the very valuable work of making public their many, many lapses that might otherwise get swept under the CampQueSSA rug.DaveDodo007 wrote:
We all know they don't follow their own rules and it is OK when they do it. They defend paedos on their side all the time, Carrier will only be destroyed when they want a witch hunt and nothing we say will changed this. Giving legitimacy to any of their rules is counter productive in my opinion. Pointing out their hypocrisy is fine, demanding that they adhere to their insane rules rather than abandoning them sure is worrisome.
Im looking forward to hearing Carrier explain this does not really mean he is not allowed to stay at the scepticon hotel, go to the scepticon bar and ask every attendee with two X chromosomes to hump him.DaveDodo007 wrote:The witch trial begins. :dance:Really? wrote:AND SKEPTICON BANNED HIM.
http://archive.is/M49KA
The accusations specifically against Richard Carrier are, sadly, not so surprising to the Skepticon organizers. While he was a featured speaker for many years, we stopped inviting him to speak partly because of his repeated boundary-pushing behavior, including towards someone involved in Skepticon. What has been made clear by the recent discussions is that our attendees’ well being and comfort is put at an unacceptable risk by Carrier’s presence, and so we are officially prohibiting Richard Carrier from attending any future Skepticons.
I agree with this.Jan Steen wrote:Those of you who seem to think that Carrier did nothing seriously wrong ('just some awkward flirting', or words to that effect) seem to ignore the original statement by Amy, the student who complained about him:
Why do you believe Carrier, who writes as if he all he did was nothing more than trying to set up a 'date' with her? Even if what Carrier wrote is true, he is in my mind still a sexual predator who hangs around students with the aim of getting in their panties. He is a guy who undoubtedly considers women as sex objects, and I can well imagine that the female students he tries to 'date' are sick and tired of middle-aged creeps like him. They have a right not to be forced to share company with such people, if it can be avoided. The SSA and affiliated organisations have a duty towards the students not to employ types like Carrier in any capacity.Richard Carrier, the man who sexually harassed me and touched me a year ago after speaking at ASU
Carrier knowingly broke the rules about not initiating sexual advances towards students in his capacity as speaker at least twice, and one student was annoyed enough to accuse him of sexual harrassment. That makes him a scumbag. It may not be illegal to be a scumbag, but it should still have consequences.
Had to happen sooner or later, they always eat their own.Shatterface wrote:I doubt Myers will defend Carrier but I'd love to see the Orbitches unleash their full hate on FtB because the ex-FtBers must know shit the rest of us don't.
deLurch wrote:Spot on. I would also have to note, that the SSA's stated actions to the complainant were at best misleading. They should have been upfront with her about what this would mean for Carrier's speaking at other SSA events, and attendance at SSA conferences.d4m10n wrote:As to whom we can rightly say has been "enabling this to occur" former SSA organizer Ed Clint makes an salient point noting that SSA national cannot dictate to their affiliates whom to invite or avoid. They should have at least warned the affiliates, though, when a speaker was removed from the bureau on account of breaching their conduct policy.
She walked away because she thought the issue was resolved.
I think its because they don't diss the polyamorous lifestyle, seeing as many of them are of that persuasion. Maybe Svan herself. Pretty exciting, eh? :twatson:hippodown wrote:My moneys on metkas and svan being friends. How could they not be?
Dude they have those at Ikea. Hella spensive. Enjoy!comhcinc wrote:Cool cool. Yeah for those who may be wondering, they were setting up a desk next to where I was sitting. The desk are motorized to allow you to change from sitting to standing during the day.Brive1987 wrote:Get stuffed.comhcinc wrote:Quick post for my new job. It's pretty awesome. Hey Brive the company just moved into this new building. I am surrounded by cat6.[imghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160620/bf9191e542a2c1fb70420f7f5661e878.jpg[/img]
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I'm travelling to Melbourne today just to see the company's brand new purpose build office on the "Paris End" of Collins Street. And to meet one of the IT war bands. I am almost certain there will be no BNC coax. And I have packed my black tee shirt to blend in. pics to follow.
Congrats, well done Com! :dance:
Well hello Ed Brayton.comhcinc wrote:
The desk are motorized ..
Myer's let Carrier turn Free Thought Blogs into a 4th rate pick up joint to solicit "former" prostitutes and those of legal consenting age.Shatterface wrote:I doubt Myers will defend Carrier but I'd love to see the Orbitches unleash their full hate on FtB because the ex-FtBers must know shit the rest of us don't.
Would be the BEST episode of Kitchen Nightmares EVAH!JackSkeptic wrote:Had to happen sooner or later, they always eat their own.
BarnOwl wrote:
What the hell is that song about, anyway?
What's the endgame? a Final Solution eradicating scumbags?Jan Steen wrote:.... It may not be illegal to be a scumbag, but it should still have consequences.
Dude they have those at Ikea. Hella spensive. Enjoy![/quote]ERV wrote: Cool cool. Yeah for those who may be wondering, they were setting up a desk next to where I was sitting. The desk are motorized to allow you to change from sitting to standing during the day.
Brive1987 wrote:Well hello Ed Brayton.comhcinc wrote:
The desk are motorized ..
Really? wrote:AND SKEPTICON BANNED HIM.
http://archive.is/M49KA
The accusations specifically against Richard Carrier are, sadly, not so surprising to the Skepticon organizers. While he was a featured speaker for many years, we stopped inviting him to speak partly because of his repeated boundary-pushing behavior, including towards someone involved in Skepticon. What has been made clear by the recent discussions is that our attendees’ well being and comfort is put at an unacceptable risk by Carrier’s presence, and so we are officially prohibiting Richard Carrier from attending any future Skepticons.
Not victims. Accusers.We support the accusers
We really didn't have much if anything to do with this thing. They were primed to take him out on his own, looks like a long time coming.hippodown wrote:I kind of agree. But im not up for a public lynching. Fuck skepticon and svan.
Mutually Assured Destruction. Carrier has his trove of backchannel dirt, & has already demonstrated his willingness to go-public with private conversations-- to smear former buddies who turn on him.Shatterface wrote:I doubt Myers will defend Carrier but I'd love to see the Orbitches unleash their full hate on FtB because the ex-FtBers must know shit the rest of us don't.
With a stated income of $15k per year, it sounds like a good chunk of his income was from the speaking circuit. Even for the free speaking gigs, per diem probably made up a decent chunk of it. Maybe he asked for the hotel costs & travel costs in cash, found cheaper ways to travel, combined trips, crashed at someone's house and pocketed the difference.Ape+lust wrote:This could affect his income. And his situation doesn't allow much wiggle room before he's sleeping outdoors.
Maybe that battalion of girlfriends will save Mr Sex Machine from the cold.
What a spectacular dumbass.
Or it could lead him to give up his avocational satyriasis, buckle down, and become a serious professional scholar. Plenty of teaching positions at Ohio St.Ape+lust wrote:This could affect his income. And his situation doesn't allow much wiggle room before he's sleeping outdoors.
I'm not sure you would include me as part of society, but here's my reaction so far:CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:What do you suppose the reaction of society will be to Carrier and SSA?
