The Refuge of the Toads

#11701

Kirbmarc wrote:The Orbit has already gone full Atheism Plus forum. (archive link).

Well, they invited the bridge-burner. They'll just have to keep smiling while she torches everything. Hope she does Zvan soon.

#11702

Shatterface wrote:Carrier's not so much a soldier left behind defending a strategically important hill as a dead legionnaire propped up on a fort's ramparts to give the impression it hasn't yet been abandoned.

If that's a jest, it is beau. :cdc:

#11703

If anyone cares (and I do think it would be useful to have an agreed-upon hashtag for the Orbit folk), I've created a thread where people can put their Orbit hashtag suggestions. After a few days I'll put them all in a poll and we can elect the winner. Or, just tell me to fuck off.

viewtopic.php?f=28&t=488

#11704

Lsuoma wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:The Orbit has already gone full Atheism Plus forum. (archive link).

<Snip>
Sorry, no can not use Mongoloid - my Devo tribute band's bookings would collapse. So soz.

Is the use of that word even an issue anymore? I don't remember the last time I heard someone say Mongoloid. That's like saying we shouldn't be calling people rapscallions.

#11705

Gumby wrote:Actually, after reading that stupid blog post, maybe #Orbitards is the proper hashtag. Fucking idiots.

For what it's worth I like #Orbitards

#11706

Cnutella wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:The Orbit has already gone full Atheism Plus forum. (archive link).

We can argue until the cows come home about whether there is something inherently bad with any of those things, so I will just summarize with unless you are any of these things you don’t get to have an opinion on it, end of story, but ultimately that it irrelevant.

And yet all these people have very strong opinions regarding men, particularly the cishet, white variety.

That's punching up! White cis het neurotypical physically able males are The Privilege personified. Fuck them into ground.

#11707

PZ has a post up for his wedding anniversary. He looked like he was a nice lad. If only you could go back and warn him.

Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun.
Shine on you crazy diamond.
Now there's a look in your eyes, like black holes in the sky.
Shine on you crazy diamond.
You were caught in the crossfire of childhood and stardom, blown on the steel breeze.
Come on you target for faraway laughter, come on you stranger, you legend, you martyr, and shine!

You reached for the secret too soon, you cried for the moon.
Shine on you crazy diamond.
Threatened by shadows at night, and exposed in the light.
Shine on you crazy diamond.
Well you wore out your welcome with random precision, rode on the steel breeze.
Come on you raver, you seer of visions, come on you painter, you piper, you prisoner, and shine!

http://i.imgur.com/HxHI4xG.jpg

#11708

jet_lagg wrote:I'm convinced the majority of commenters over there are deep cover pitizens, and nothing will change my mind about that.

I plead the fifth. ;)

#11709

#Orbitears

#11710

Kirbmarc wrote:The Orbit has already gone full Atheism Plus forum. (archive link).

This is a life and death matter. The cultural perception of my abilities directly impacts my ability to access care. The more people perpetuate this idea that disability equals incompetence, the harder it is to have doctors take me seriously when I say that something is wrong. The easier it is to excuse the horrible treatment of disabled children who are made to endure torturous treatments and have their bodily autonomy violated on a regular basis. The easier it is to ignore that 80% of people with disabilities will be sexually assaulted at some point in their lives. The easier it is to ignore that disabled children and even adults are murdered and abused by their caretakers. That people with disabilities are sterilized against their will, and that genocide against people with certain disabilities is given the clinical sounding name of eugenics. When you suggest eradicating people of a certain type by sterilizing those who fall in its category and aborting pregnancies that belong to that type, what else is it but genocide?

Really? That's as wonky as the 1 in 5 claim. It looks like this little SJW mine could hold a few lulz-rich seams :popcorn:

#11711

I like #freefallblogs.

It's rom a related branch of physics, suggests plummeting readership or other failure, and sounds enough like FreeThoughtBlogs to remind people where this bunch came from.

#11712

http://i.imgur.com/X9fWFOd.jpg

#11713

Kirbmarc wrote:The Orbit has already gone full Atheism Plus forum. (archive link).

This is a life and death matter. The cultural perception of my abilities directly impacts my ability to access care. The more people perpetuate this idea that disability equals incompetence, the harder it is to have doctors take me seriously when I say that something is wrong. The easier it is to excuse the horrible treatment of disabled children who are made to endure torturous treatments and have their bodily autonomy violated on a regular basis. The easier it is to ignore that 80% of people with disabilities will be sexually assaulted at some point in their lives. The easier it is to ignore that disabled children and even adults are murdered and abused by their caretakers. That people with disabilities are sterilized against their will, and that genocide against people with certain disabilities is given the clinical sounding name of eugenics. When you suggest eradicating people of a certain type by sterilizing those who fall in its category and aborting pregnancies that belong to that type, what else is it but genocide?

One more time...

[youtube]kFnFr-DOPf8[/youtube]

(Although interestingly, is this an anti-abortion opinion? And they're not up before the inquisition yet?)

#11714

Brive1987 wrote:http://i.imgur.com/X9fWFOd.jpg

http://cdn.quotesgram.com/small/78/13/1 ... othing.jpg

#11715

Nope, just checked the author's bio, and she claims to be pro-choice. But if aborting pregnancies of one sort is genocide, how can aborting pregnancies of other sorts not be murder? I suppose she thinks it's "aborting up", or something similarly retarded.

#11716

Brive1987 wrote:PZ has a post up for his wedding anniversary. He looked like he was a nice lad. If only you could go back and warn him.

Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun.
Shine on you crazy diamond.
Now there's a look in your eyes, like black holes in the sky.
Shine on you crazy diamond.
You were caught in the crossfire of childhood and stardom, blown on the steel breeze.
Come on you target for faraway laughter, come on you stranger, you legend, you martyr, and shine!

You reached for the secret too soon, you cried for the moon.
Shine on you crazy diamond.
Threatened by shadows at night, and exposed in the light.
Shine on you crazy diamond.
Well you wore out your welcome with random precision, rode on the steel breeze.
Come on you raver, you seer of visions, come on you painter, you piper, you prisoner, and shine!

http://i.imgur.com/HxHI4xG.jpg

How dare he?

How_Dare_He.jpg: (141.34 KiB) Downloaded 289 times

#11717

Shatterface wrote:I like #freefallblogs.

It's rom a related branch of physics, suggests plummeting readership or other failure, and sounds enough like FreeThoughtBlogs to remind people where this bunch came from.

I added it to the list.

#11718

paddybrown wrote:Nope, just checked the author's bio, and she claims to be pro-choice. But if aborting pregnancies of one sort is genocide, how can aborting pregnancies of other sorts not be murder? I suppose she thinks it's "aborting up", or something similarly retarded.

Pro-lifers should play the SJW politics and declare all abortions to be genocides of possibly neuroatypical persons.

#11719

Brive1987 wrote:http://i.imgur.com/X9fWFOd.jpg

Because we all know that if Carrier had the time, he'd be, like, totally in on everything and stuff. It's totally not like they're intentionally excluding him because they think he's totally a fucking idiot.

Totally.

#11720

Awesome shoop Screwtape!

#11721

paddybrown wrote:Nope, just checked the author's bio, and she claims to be pro-choice. But if aborting pregnancies of one sort is genocide, how can aborting pregnancies of other sorts not be murder? I suppose she thinks it's "aborting up", or something similarly retarded.

I made a similar point. Most women who discover they are carrying a Downs kid choose to abort. They are taking that choice precisely because the foetus has Downs Syndrome.

Not surprisingly my comment is in moderation.

#11722

Cnutella wrote:Greta Christina does obeisance for using the term "stupid" and insanely rigid" in two articles she wrote back in 2010, when she was less enlightened.

https://web.archive.org/web/20160316181 ... -language/

Now I've spent some time looking around, I am certain at least a couple of the Orbit bloggers are definitely High Drama Risks. I imagine it's only a matter of time before in-fighting begins.

So two things I noticed.

The about author section was about as long as the blog post.

She has not updated her picture to the current chucky version.

#11723

Kirbmarc wrote:
paddybrown wrote:Nope, just checked the author's bio, and she claims to be pro-choice. But if aborting pregnancies of one sort is genocide, how can aborting pregnancies of other sorts not be murder? I suppose she thinks it's "aborting up", or something similarly retarded.
Pro-lifers should play the SJW politics and declare all abortions to be genocides of possibly neuroatypical persons.

Isn't 'Black genocide' part of Black Panther ideology? That abortion is a tool of White Supremacy?

#11724

piginthecity wrote:
HoneyWagon wrote:Trying to catch up with all the pit posts.
Has anyone come up yet with a nice hashtag to honor "The Orbit" a la #ftbullies?
Since so many have moved...I think it will be needed.
It's not very catchy but I propose #FFPZTB Standing, of course, for "Free From Pee Zee's Thoughts Blogs". I know that my suggestion is not properly thought through, but then again neither is the orbit.

#SubOrbitTools

#11725

Gumby wrote:
Because we all know that if Carrier had the time, he'd be, like, totally in on everything and stuff. It's totally not like they're intentionally excluding him because they think he's totally a fucking idiot.

Totally.

Also, I love how Carrier pretending that this whole Orbit thing was some sort of masterfully executed plan, as opposed to a bunch of bloggers stalking off in a huff because they finally figured out PZ's an asshole.

#11726

The easier it is to ignore that 80% of people with disabilities will be sexually assaulted at some point in their lives.

Way to take one for the team, people with disabilities! Although why not go all the way to 100% and give the women at my university some time off?

#11727

Oglebart wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:The Orbit has already gone full Atheism Plus forum. (archive link).

This is a life and death matter. The cultural perception of my abilities directly impacts my ability to access care. The more people perpetuate this idea that disability equals incompetence, the harder it is to have doctors take me seriously when I say that something is wrong. The easier it is to excuse the horrible treatment of disabled children who are made to endure torturous treatments and have their bodily autonomy violated on a regular basis. The easier it is to ignore that 80% of people with disabilities will be sexually assaulted at some point in their lives. The easier it is to ignore that disabled children and even adults are murdered and abused by their caretakers. That people with disabilities are sterilized against their will, and that genocide against people with certain disabilities is given the clinical sounding name of eugenics. When you suggest eradicating people of a certain type by sterilizing those who fall in its category and aborting pregnancies that belong to that type, what else is it but genocide?

Really? That's as wonky as the 1 in 5 claim. It looks like this little SJW mine could hold a few lulz-rich seams :popcorn:

'Tard poon is best poon.

#11728

Brive1987 wrote:PZ has a post up for his wedding anniversary. He looked like he was a nice lad. If only you could go back and warn him.

Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun.
Shine on you crazy diamond.
Now there's a look in your eyes, like black holes in the sky.
Shine on you crazy diamond.
You were caught in the crossfire of childhood and stardom, blown on the steel breeze.
Come on you target for faraway laughter, come on you stranger, you legend, you martyr, and shine!

You reached for the secret too soon, you cried for the moon.
Shine on you crazy diamond.
Threatened by shadows at night, and exposed in the light.
Shine on you crazy diamond.
Well you wore out your welcome with random precision, rode on the steel breeze.
Come on you raver, you seer of visions, come on you painter, you piper, you prisoner, and shine!

http://i.imgur.com/HxHI4xG.jpg

Christ, he's had that fucking beard since he was 12.

Looks like someone a redneck Harry Potter, or someone from the nonce-wing of Azkhaban.

#11729

I'm definitely going to write a novel called The Nonce-Wing of Azkaban.

#11730

Shatterface wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:PZ has a post up for his wedding anniversary. He looked like he was a nice lad. If only you could go back and warn him.

Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun.
Shine on you crazy diamond.
Now there's a look in your eyes, like black holes in the sky.
Shine on you crazy diamond.
You were caught in the crossfire of childhood and stardom, blown on the steel breeze.
Come on you target for faraway laughter, come on you stranger, you legend, you martyr, and shine!

You reached for the secret too soon, you cried for the moon.
Shine on you crazy diamond.
Threatened by shadows at night, and exposed in the light.
Shine on you crazy diamond.
Well you wore out your welcome with random precision, rode on the steel breeze.
Come on you raver, you seer of visions, come on you painter, you piper, you prisoner, and shine!

http://i.imgur.com/HxHI4xG.jpg
Christ, he's had that fucking beard since he was 12.

Looks like someone a redneck Harry Potter, or someone from the nonce-wing of Azkhaban.

He has some puddy lips.....

#11731

#FtBOrbituary

#11732

Gumby wrote:Also, I love how Carrier pretending that this whole Orbit thing was some sort of masterfully executed plan, as opposed to a bunch of bloggers stalking off in a huff because they finally figured out PZ's an asshole.

They couldn't stand PZ & Carrier. Patheos wouldn't take them. The only option left was to create their own blog network.

#11733

deLurch wrote:
Gumby wrote:Also, I love how Carrier pretending that this whole Orbit thing was some sort of masterfully executed plan, as opposed to a bunch of bloggers stalking off in a huff because they finally figured out PZ's an asshole.
They couldn't stand PZ & Carrier. Patheos wouldn't take them. The only option left was to create their own blog network.

I'm of the opinion these people think Myers is a bit too woolly for them, rather than too much of an asshole.

#11734

screwtape wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:PZ has a post up for his wedding anniversary. He looked like he was a nice lad. If only you could go back and warn him.

Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun.
Shine on you crazy diamond.
Now there's a look in your eyes, like black holes in the sky.
Shine on you crazy diamond.
You were caught in the crossfire of childhood and stardom, blown on the steel breeze.
Come on you target for faraway laughter, come on you stranger, you legend, you martyr, and shine!

You reached for the secret too soon, you cried for the moon.
Shine on you crazy diamond.
Threatened by shadows at night, and exposed in the light.
Shine on you crazy diamond.
Well you wore out your welcome with random precision, rode on the steel breeze.
Come on you raver, you seer of visions, come on you painter, you piper, you prisoner, and shine!

[.img]http://i.imgur.com/HxHI4xG.jpg[/img]
How dare he?

How_Dare_He.jpg

Ha! Cool. "Time" in particular and "Dark side of the Moon" in general could correlate closely with Morris Mn.

#11735

Tigzy wrote:
TBH, I'm beginning to wonder the same about some of the bloggers there.

Nah, I've seen it all before, it's the real thing that might even turn out to be more entertaining and useful that A+

Why not 10 minutes ago I had to link to The Orbit to properly instruct some garden variety liberal who thinks they know social justice on the use of "oppressive" words like idiot and lunatic. Greta's apology came in very handy there.

Speaking of A+ It looks like they've abandoned the block bot and it's still out there, running free. Maybe somebody, somewhere has a leash on it but if you're looking to appeal your inclusion on the blockbot the instructions to go to the A+ forms won't give you any recourse.

#11736

You can't even troll these fuckers....

http://i.imgur.com/IZRNnGj.jpg

#11737

With a relentless energy ...... :)

#11738

deLurch wrote:
Gumby wrote:Also, I love how Carrier pretending that this whole Orbit thing was some sort of masterfully executed plan, as opposed to a bunch of bloggers stalking off in a huff because they finally figured out PZ's an asshole.
They couldn't stand PZ & Carrier. Patheos wouldn't take them. The only option left was to create their own blog network.

Carrier made a point of saying there had been no back channel chatter. Not "I'll check to see ".

I wonder if he is as free wheeling with his source material when he has his "independent academic" hat on?

Bloodless battles and bloody training and all that.

#11739

If Steersman were to verify that Dr Richard Carrier PhD should be allowed to remain in the US, would that count as an example of pee-er review?

#11740

Tigzy wrote:Kirb - did you check the comments to that piece? Look at this:

Eli
August 26, 2015 at 10:13 am Reply
7

“We as a society have proven that we are incredibly poor judges…”

Don’t you think that this type of language is classist? That is, if “crazy” and “dumb” perpetuate harmful and inaccurate attitudes about people with disabilities, don’t you think that your usage of “poor” perpetuates harmful and inaccurate attitudes about people who struggle to make ends meet?

If so, could you maybe stop using the word “poor” in this way?

Ania Onion Cebulla
August 26, 2015 at 11:31 am Reply
7.1

You know, I hadn’t considered that. I will make the edits in the post and thank you for bringing this to my attention.
This is for real. This is most emphatically not a parody.

Oh, and yeah - 'Orbitches' gets my vote too. Frankly, given what we've seen already, pretty much any term is gonna be offensive to them, so in for a penny in for a pound I say.

LMAO. What word do they want instead of poor, ungood? Bad seems kind of harsh, you might need a trigger warning for that one. Jesus fuck, it didn't take these people long to find the self parody point at all.

#11741

Brive1987 wrote:Carrier made a point of saying there had been no back channel chatter. Not "I'll check to see ".

There was no back channel chatter that he could see because he was one of the ones not invited.

#11742

Tigzy wrote:Kirb - did you check the comments to that piece? Look at this:

Eli
August 26, 2015 at 10:13 am Reply
7

“We as a society have proven that we are incredibly poor judges…”

Don’t you think that this type of language is classist? That is, if “crazy” and “dumb” perpetuate harmful and inaccurate attitudes about people with disabilities, don’t you think that your usage of “poor” perpetuates harmful and inaccurate attitudes about people who struggle to make ends meet?

If so, could you maybe stop using the word “poor” in this way?

Ania Onion Cebulla
August 26, 2015 at 11:31 am Reply
7.1

You know, I hadn’t considered that. I will make the edits in the post and thank you for bringing this to my attention.
This is for real. This is most emphatically not a parody.

Oh, and yeah - 'Orbitches' gets my vote too. Frankly, given what we've seen already, pretty much any term is gonna be offensive to them, so in for a penny in for a pound I say.

How about Orbints, UK sexism is the best sexism. :dance:

#11743

There is nothing more ableist than banning simple words in favour of words that may not be in a uneducated person's vocabulary.

#11744

With Orbit and all the new FTB blogs, isn't it going to be like Skepticon where most of the people reading the blogs will be other bloggers (and commenting from their own blogs).

#11745

Also some of the new Orbit bloggers are supposed to be from Patheos. I thought that Patheos was the plum place to be for a blogger. Why would they leave? Or are they just republishing their Pathoes stuff.

#11746

Xenu wrote:There is nothing more ableist than banning simple words in favour of words that may not be in a uneducated person's vocabulary.

I can understand crazy, but stupid, dumb and idiot are so far removed from their original meanings.

#11747

Michael J wrote:Also some of the new Orbit bloggers are supposed to be from Patheos. I thought that Patheos was the plum place to be for a blogger. Why would they leave? Or are they just republishing their Pathoes stuff.

Patheos is big, Orbit is not. It could make sense to go to a place where you are more likely to be seen if you are still making your name.

#11748

comhcinc wrote:
Cnutella wrote:Greta Christina does obeisance for using the term "stupid" and insanely rigid" in two articles she wrote back in 2010, when she was less enlightened.

https://web.archive.org/web/20160316181 ... -language/

Now I've spent some time looking around, I am certain at least a couple of the Orbit bloggers are definitely High Drama Risks. I imagine it's only a matter of time before in-fighting begins.
So two things I noticed.

The about author section was about as long as the blog post.

She has not updated her picture to the current chucky version.

"Hi. I'm Greta. Welcome to The Orbit."
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/23 ... d8e24f.jpg

#11749

deLurch wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:Carrier made a point of saying there had been no back channel chatter. Not "I'll check to see ".
There was no back channel chatter that he could see because he was one of the ones not invited.

In this case "back channels all the way down"

But I do love his capacity for self belief in his own fantasies.

"There it was, I was just too busy to participate, but when I raised my head from research, Lo! It was a work of wonder."

Meanwhile Black Skeptic and Alex still don't have an Orbit post ready. They have only had about 4 months to stockpile a couple of momentum building zingers.

I suggest Alex is more interested in flying his white on black flag at Peez than actual activism.

#11750

I've added three options to the thread:

#FTB Orbiters (never forget)
#The Orbeese (Orbit + Geese, with a hint of obesity)
#Misandrists & Regressive Activiists - or #MRA for short

others are updating it live as we speak

viewtopic.php?f=28&t=488&p=346843#p346843

#11751

MarcusAu wrote:
HoneyWagon wrote:Trying to catch up with all the pit posts.
Has anyone come up yet with a nice hashtag to honor "The Orbit" a la #ftbullies?
Since so many have moved...I think it will be needed.
Is Orbitches too gendered?

Orbots?
Sorebits?
Orbitals?
Orbitters?

#11752

Morbits.

#11753

nb there is an acronym for ORBIT (established 1995) already in use:

Organic Recovery and Biological Treatment

http://www.acronymfinder.com/Organic-Re ... IT%29.html

in other words - Sub-Human Garbage! (or C.H.U.D if you prefer).

#11754

Kirbmarc wrote:
paddybrown wrote:Nope, just checked the author's bio, and she claims to be pro-choice. But if aborting pregnancies of one sort is genocide, how can aborting pregnancies of other sorts not be murder? I suppose she thinks it's "aborting up", or something similarly retarded.
Pro-lifers should play the SJW politics and declare all abortions to be genocides of possibly neuroatypical persons.

When you think about it, hundreds of thousands of abortions are carried out due to the sex of the baby, all those babies are female. So a literal holocaust of dead baby girls, gee, thanks feminism. Emotive language deliberate because, fuck feminism.

#11755

Cnutella wrote: Now I've spent some time looking around, I am certain at least a couple of the Orbit bloggers are definitely High Drama Risks. I imagine it's only a matter of time before in-fighting begins.

It's bound to happen.

The A+ forums should have been a warning sign that the combination of mental fragility and unfettered idealogical zeal isn't the best recipe for a vibrant community. They'll police themselves into silence/banality eventually.

#11756

Orpitters

#11757

Old_ones wrote: LMAO. What word do they want instead of poor, ungood? Bad seems kind of harsh, you might need a trigger warning for that one. Jesus fuck, it didn't take these people long to find the self parody point at all.

Fiscally disadvantaged perhaps?

#11758

feathers wrote: Orbitters?

I think this one is a winner

#11759

The problem with Orbit is the same problem that FTB had. If you have a lot of contributors you need a curated front page not just dump links to the latest posts. This doesn't have to be tedious and can be semi automated (Most popular etc) posts. Most CMS software have free themes that can do this.

#11760

Orbitters, left wingin' bitter clingin' PROUD clingers of our Social Justice, our Social Sciences, AND our Surlys