If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

another lurker wrote:And some, or many, genuine refugees may believe that their Sharia culture is superior.

Underdog status doesn't automatically make you an angel.

The Spartans were underdogs in 300. People cheered for them. Yet, in reality, in history, they were just as despotic as their enemies.

another lurker wrote:And the German and Egyptian women (tinak, middlist, kingros) on that thread, those who disagree with the narrative, are either ignored or told to shut up and listen.

Billie from Ockham wrote:
Am I reading too much into this ... forcing him to have said something that he did not explicitly say ... or do you agree that saying it was "chance" implies that Carrier did not tell Sheffield Phoenix to whom he had already sent a draft of his book?

another lurker wrote:And some, or many, genuine refugees may believe that their Sharia culture is superior.

Underdog status doesn't automatically make you an angel.

The Spartans were underdogs in 300. People cheered for them. Yet, in reality, in history, they were just as despotic as their enemies.

Pitchguest wrote:Gentlemen (and gentle ladies), we've hit peak male feminist:

[youtube]iqkSrrWmp8c[/youtube]

At timestamp 1:35.

No one could call him a liar. And this was mainly because the lie was in his head, and any truth coming from his mouth carried the color of the lie.

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Somali are the worst white men.

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:

another lurker wrote:And some, or many, genuine refugees may believe that their Sharia culture is superior.

Underdog status doesn't automatically make you an angel.

The Spartans were underdogs in 300. People cheered for them. Yet, in reality, in history, they were just as despotic as their enemies.

Totally gay underdogs in speedos, but yeah.

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Somali are the worst white men.

another lurker wrote:

Scented Nectar wrote:

free thoughtpolice wrote:I think Laurie Penny is right! It's about time we white cis het males started to regard rape as a crime and put serious penalties on it including prison time!
We must live in a rape culture when even progressive feminist types want to apologize for organized rape gangs operating in public because they are afraid it may make them look like a bigot.
It's why SZvan can write about her fear of walking around in her neighborhood at night because of the possibility she might meet a white rapist and complaining she didn't have the spoons to canvass her neighborhood about gay rights and then later sat she lives in a majority Somali neighborhood?

Wow! Steffy's living in the State of Denial. She probably knows deep down that what she's scared of is the misogynistic islamic (real!) rape culture that most Somalis practice, and that it's nothing to do with race - it's cultural and theocratic. Also, she probably knows full well that if she were to canvas about gay rights in her majority Somali neighbourhood, it would show that only the muslims hate them.

So I watched Vee's video.

The footage of the 30+ Muslim men surrounding a screaming woman and dragging her off to be assaulted was *terrifying*

Thankfully, white feminists are putting it all into perspective. Though what happened certainly isn't good, white German men, in aggregate, asault way more women, so who are we to criticize Muslim flash rape mobs?

Billie from Ockham wrote:

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:

another lurker wrote:And some, or many, genuine refugees may believe that their Sharia culture is superior.

Underdog status doesn't automatically make you an angel.

The Spartans were underdogs in 300. People cheered for them. Yet, in reality, in history, they were just as despotic as their enemies.

Totally gay underdogs in speedos, but yeah.

I've heard that a lot of something called "CGI" was used and it's related to the difference between this:

[.img]http://cdn28.us1.fansshare.com/photogra ... 508399.jpg[/img]

and this:

[.img]http://www.lahiguera.net/cinemania/acto ... wenham.jpg[/img]

Given what you've just written, I infer that the C and the G are "completely gay"; so what's the I stand for?

Brive1987 wrote:PZ is giving some anti-vaxer's PhD thesis nasty stares.

Amongst the baleful looks "It’s over 300 pages long. Does she think that if you pile up the drivel high enough it becomes an architectural marvel, or something? It doesn’t work that way."

Jebus. That was just Carrier's abstract.

DaveDodo007 wrote:

Brive1987 wrote:PZ is giving some anti-vaxer's PhD thesis nasty stares.

Amongst the baleful looks "It’s over 300 pages long. Does she think that if you pile up the drivel high enough it becomes an architectural marvel, or something? It doesn’t work that way."

Jebus. That was just Carrier's abstract.

300 pages, isn't that Carrier's introduction part of his books.

Søren Lilholt wrote:

another lurker wrote:

It is very difficult to know all of the hundreds or maybe even thousands of words and phrases that mean something different on a sj site then anywhere else. I used the word negotiate on one site. I didn't know that the word meant to use pressure and coercion to force someone to do what you want on that particular site. When I apologized and said that I was only aware of the dictionary definition of the word I was told that I was a dictionary atheist. On that site, using the word negotiate meant that I believed that it was ok for a man to beat his wife. I never understood this connection but asking someone how they got from point a to point b was admitting that I was a sexist. On that particular cite once you make a mistake there is no apology allowed. You are guilty,end of story.

:bjarte:

I have never seen SJWism and all its scary idiocy crystallised as perfectly as in this example.

Ape+lust wrote:

Oglebart wrote:Here you go, not the vid you asked for, I see that's been posted already but the thread over on Kiwi Farms has lots of zingers like this, fucking terrifying if you ask me :shock:

https://kiwifar.ms/attachments/image-jpeg.53735/

Scarier when it moves.

Ape+lust wrote:

Dave wrote:

Ape+lust wrote:

Brilliant! Youve brought out her inner beaver.

Scented Nectar wrote:

another lurker wrote:

Scented Nectar wrote:free thoughtpolice: "I think Laurie Penny is right! It's about time we white cis het males started to regard rape as a crime and put serious penalties on it including prison time! ...."

Wow! Steffy's living in the State of Denial. She probably knows deep down that what she's scared of is the misogynistic islamic (real!) rape culture that most Somalis practice, and that it's nothing to do with race - it's cultural and theocratic. Also, she probably knows full well that if she were to canvas about gay rights in her majority Somali neighbourhood, it would show that only the muslims hate them.

So I watched Vee's video.
The footage of the 30+ Muslim men surrounding a screaming woman and dragging her off to be assaulted was *terrifying*

Thankfully, white feminists are putting it all into perspective. Though what happened certainly isn't good, white German men, in aggregate, asault way more women, so who are we to criticize Muslim flash rape mobs?

They are true rape apologists, making excuses for the rapes and actual rape culture.

Steersman wrote:Deport the fucking lot of them- at least those who won't piss on the Quran. And then nuke Mecca - from orbit - just to be sure ....

Kirbmarc wrote: I know you love your hyperboles, but they're getting stale.

comhcinc wrote:

Kirbmarc wrote: I know you love your hyperboles, but they're getting stale.

You need counseling.

Billie from Ockham wrote:

Dave wrote:

Ape+lust wrote:

Brilliant! Youve brought out her inner beaver.

As opposed to the external genitalia that was chopped off using Patreon money, eh?

Kirbmarc wrote:

Steersman wrote:Deport the fucking lot of them- at least those who won't piss on the Quran. And then nuke Mecca - from orbit - just to be sure ....

When you'll become a little bit saner you'll realize that the problem lies with regulating immigration, not supressing it, and that the idea is to reform Islam, not kill or banish Muslims.

I know you love your hyperboles, but they're getting stale.

The Yeti wrote:Dr. Ashley Miller, PhD (Honey Boo Boo Studies) becomes the first of the baboons to lash out about the FTB/Skepchick free lineup at the 2016 Reason Rally:
https://archive.is/Ca3BT

They told me Lawrence Krauss was “raised Jewish” and James Randi “is homosexual,” so that’s two more by their definition of minority.

Steersman wrote:

Scented Nectar wrote:

another lurker wrote:So I watched Vee's video.
The footage of the 30+ Muslim men surrounding a screaming woman and dragging her off to be assaulted was *terrifying*

Thankfully, white feminists are putting it all into perspective. Though what happened certainly isn't good, white German men, in aggregate, asault way more women, so who are we to criticize Muslim flash rape mobs?

They are true rape apologists, making excuses for the rapes and actual rape culture.

A-fucking-men to that. Link to a recent article about Pakistan tweeted by a Canadian ex-muslim (apparently):

And another one from Germany:
German town bars asylum seekers from pool after harassment complaints

Deport the fucking lot of them - at least those who won't piss on the Quran. And then nuke Mecca - from orbit - just to be sure ....

Q. The Humanist magazine is turning seventy-five. What do you think of anniversaries generally?

A. Dave Barry wrote that there comes an age when you should stop expecting others to make a fuss over your birthday. That age is eleven. Nonetheless: Happy Birthday, Humanist!

The Yeti wrote:Dr. Ashley Miller, PhD (Honey Boo Boo Studies) becomes the first of the baboons to lash out about the FTB/Skepchick free lineup at the 2016 Reason Rally:
https://archive.is/Ca3BT

Steersman wrote:

Kirbmarc wrote:

Steersman wrote:Deport the fucking lot of them- at least those who won't piss on the Quran. And then nuke Mecca - from orbit - just to be sure ....

When you'll become a little bit saner you'll realize that the problem lies with regulating immigration, not supressing it, and that the idea is to reform Islam, not kill or banish Muslims.

I know you love your hyperboles, but they're getting stale.

:) Past their "best before" date?

Though I kind of think you're seriously deluding yourself if you think that Islam can be reformed - at least without some serious threats like deportations and banning the immigration of Muslims. All you - and Merkel and company - are doing is creating fifth columns, poisoned chalices, clasping vipers to your (our) breasts.

You might take a look at these recent articles, one from The American Enterprise Institute (Christina Hoff Sommers' stomping ground if I'm not mistaken), and one from The New York Times, both of which are broaching that issue.

The Yeti wrote:Dr. Ashley Miller, PhD (Honey Boo Boo Studies) becomes the first of the baboons to lash out about the FTB/Skepchick free lineup at the 2016 Reason Rally

cnut the great wrote:

The Yeti wrote:Dr. Ashley Miller, PhD (Honey Boo Boo Studies) becomes the first of the baboons to lash out about the FTB/Skepchick free lineup at the 2016 Reason Rally

PZ rather uncharacteristically de-escalates in the comments. What's his angle?

Kirbmarc wrote:

John D wrote:In general, "liberals" don't get this. Lots of people on the left have a different view of "honor" than people who are more right leaning.

Noam Chomsky typifies a kind of thinking that proposes the ethic of "honor" is morally bad. He just doesn't believe in honor.

In my mind, it is not honorable for young healthy men to run from their home and country because people are fighting a civil war and they can't find a job. Their duty should be to protect and build up their home and to secure it for the future. They are cowards, but the left denys this kind of moral thinking. To a leftist every individual is only a victim. To a leftist it is unfair to ask them to fight for their home.

Germans have a right and a duty to define what it is like to be a German citizen. Of course, it is kind and generous to allow others to join their "club" and it is kind and generous to welcome people in need... but... it is critical to define the terms of this generosity. I agree that this current batch of migrants will be very different than those of the past. These folks will show up with their bellies empty and their minds closed.

I have to say that I don't agree. If you are being targeted by the goverment there's nothing "dishonorable" in understanding that you're going to get massacred, pack your stuff and leave. However it comes down to who is actually fleeing a country because they are targeted by the government and who is abusing the refugee system to immigrate for other reasons, and then is many times going to abuse their refugee status to get away with bad behavior.

Immigrating for economic reasons isn't a bad idea per se. Immigrating for economic reasons while pretending to be a refugee shows the idea that you want to cheat the system, to break and bend rules for your own advantage. That's what is "dishonorable", or better yet an unethical attitude to have.

Using the system of refugees as someone who isn't directly targeted by the oppressive goverment is a red flag. It shows that you're willing to take advantage of the laws of the country that hosts you to get what you want.

Now I'm sure that many if not most of the refugees from Syria and Iraq are actual refugees, i.e. people who were afraid of losing their life or freedom at the hands of the ISIS government. However what's odd to me is that the demographics of the refugees do not reflect the demographics of the people targeted by ISIS. 57% of the refugees are single males and most of them are Sunni Muslims, while ISIS is deliberately and disproportionately targeting women, atheists, Yazidis and Christians.

Perhaps some better vetting and regulation is needed to weed out some potential immigrants who are abusing the refugee system, especially since the old regulations have been denounced as inefficient by many countries, inlcuding Czech Republic, Hungary, Italy and Switzerland.

The "no limits" policy of Angela Merkel has failed. "Some limits" are needed.

Scented Nectar wrote:

Steersman wrote:

Scented Nectar wrote: <snip>
They are true rape apologists, making excuses for the rapes and actual rape culture.

A-fucking-men to that. Link to a recent article about Pakistan tweeted by a Canadian ex-muslim (apparently):
[.tweet][/tweet]


And another one from Germany:
German town bars asylum seekers from pool after harassment complaints

Deport the fucking lot of them - at least those who won't piss on the Quran. And then nuke Mecca - from orbit - just to be sure ....

Steers, it's time to oust the idiot Justin Trudeau, and put you in as our new PM. I'm serious. Plus, I want Pat Condell to head up the entire UK and for Vee to be the president of Romania.

Europe's Betrayal of Women:
[.youtube]TIfMAP4Q1yk[/youtube]

In The Open Society and Its Enemies, Karl Popper wrote in 1945:

Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.

Intolerance is simply not compatible with tolerance. We in the West pride ourselves on welcoming immigrants from all over the world who seek better lives for themselves and their families. Part of the deal in coming here, however, is to accept our rights-based system. As the father of three, I’m just as disgusted as the Muslim dad when I see some of the decadent aspects of Western society, but I accept that burden because liberty and the opportunities that come with it are so great.

comhcinc wrote:

The Yeti wrote:Dr. Ashley Miller, PhD (Honey Boo Boo Studies) becomes the first of the baboons to lash out about the FTB/Skepchick free lineup at the 2016 Reason Rally:
https://archive.is/Ca3BT

They told me Lawrence Krauss was “raised Jewish” and James Randi “is homosexual,” so that’s two more by their definition of minority.

So gays and jewish people are no longer minorities.

Randi, according to himself, knew of sexual misconduct by a male speaker and did nothing about it,

and Lawrence Krauss supports his close friend who went to prison for sexually abusing many underage girls.

Anyone who has ever uttered that “racism is only possible with privilege and power” is a dishonest cretin. It isn’t and never will be, no matter often you repeat it.

rayshul wrote:Look I trust you guys, I'm writing a horror novel right now, should I put some sex in it. Answers on the back of a postcard or you know PM me hey.

/backtoyourscheduledprogramming

Kirbmarc wrote: The NYT article seems closer to what I say than to your hyperboles. Especially about the difference between regulated and unregulated immigration.

cnut the great wrote:

The Yeti wrote:Dr. Ashley Miller, PhD (Honey Boo Boo Studies) becomes the first of the baboons to lash out about the FTB/Skepchick free lineup at the 2016 Reason Rally

PZ rather uncharacteristically de-escalates in the comments. What's his angle?

Kirbmarc wrote:

Steersman wrote: <snip>

Though I kind of think you're seriously deluding yourself if you think that Islam can be reformed - at least without some serious threats like deportations and banning the immigration of Muslims. All you - and Merkel and company - are doing is creating fifth columns, poisoned chalices, clasping vipers to your (our) breasts.

You might take a look at these recent articles, one from The American Enterprise Institute (Christina Hoff Sommers' stomping ground if I'm not mistaken), and one from The New York Times, both of which are broaching that issue.

The NYT article seems closer to what I say than to your hyperboles. Especially about the difference between regulated and unregulated immigration.

The Yeti wrote:

cnut the great wrote:

The Yeti wrote:Dr. Ashley Miller, PhD (Honey Boo Boo Studies) becomes the first of the baboons to lash out about the FTB/Skepchick free lineup at the 2016 Reason Rally

PZ rather uncharacteristically de-escalates in the comments. What's his angle?

He seems to be trying to weasel himself in as a last minute addition to the lineup. Notice how he laments the small number of speakers and implied that they need to add more to attract crowds. He also implies that he might have to cancel his trip to the Reason Rally if they don't make the event bigger. Poor PZ doesn't realize that nobody gives a shit if he doesn't go.

Damion Reinhardt says

January 15, 2016 at 4:32 pm

If they could snag Jamila Bey that would add both demographic and ideological diversity to the lineup.

Scented Nectar wrote: Steers, it's time to oust the idiot Justin Trudeau, and put you in as our new PM.

AndrewV69 wrote:

Kirbmarc wrote: The NYT article seems closer to what I say than to your hyperboles. Especially about the difference between regulated and unregulated immigration.

What I gather from the NYT article is that some of our Lords & Masters might be getting nervous about the whole immigration business and may be considering a rethink about the outcomes.

YMMV

AndrewV69 wrote:

Kirbmarc wrote: The NYT article seems closer to what I say than to your hyperboles. Especially about the difference between regulated and unregulated immigration.

What I gather from the NYT article is that some of our Lords & Masters might be getting nervous about the whole immigration business and may be considering a rethink about the outcomes.

YMMV

screwtape wrote:

Scented Nectar wrote: Steers, it's time to oust the idiot Justin Trudeau, and put you in as our new PM.

If he had been on the ballot, Ottawa today might be this:

Steersman=Parliament-Ottawa.jpg

Steersman wrote:Thanks. My "stock" seems to be going up by leaps and bounds - first a nomination for Pit President, and now one for Prime Minister of Canada. :-)

But I was thinking about Trudeau a little earlier in the context of Trudeau Senior's views & policies on multiculturalism, apparently one of his legacies. However, while that is all fine and dandy, if the principles of prospective immigrants are antithetical to those of the host country - as is clearly the case with much of Islam - then Houston, we have a serious problem. Which isn't going to be papered over with pious platitudes.

Steersman wrote:But relative to your Pat Condell video, haven't watched it yet, although I've seen some time ago a few of his other ones on the same theme, and they sure seem to make a lot of sense. Though I've seen a couple of tweets from Maryam Namazie who seems not to be terribly impressed with him. While I think she's doing a yeoman's job in criticizing "Islamism" and Sharia in particular, I think she has a number of emotional bonds with various Muslims - family members, maybe - that are acting as some problematic blinders.

Twitter has discovered what many proponents of democratic society already knew: censorship is not the opposite of free speech. In fact, so-called free speech can actually be used as a weapon to silence the vulnerable and dispossessed. Ironically, to maintain its position as a platform for free discourse, Twitter must censor its users.

screwtape wrote:

Scented Nectar wrote: Steers, it's time to oust the idiot Justin Trudeau, and put you in as our new PM.

If he had been on the ballot, Ottawa today might be this:

Steersman=Parliament-Ottawa.jpg

Giliell, professional cynic -Ilk-

14 January 2016 at 4:22 pm

BTW, I just found out that the totally not misogynists of a totally not hate forum are wishing me to be raped by “1000 goat fuckers”.
Clearly, it must be their atheism, right?

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:

The Yeti wrote:Dr. Ashley Miller, PhD (Honey Boo Boo Studies) becomes the first of the baboons to lash out about the FTB/Skepchick free lineup at the 2016 Reason Rally:
https://archive.is/Ca3BT

Maybe they could hire a ginger with a vajayjay to serenade attendees with out-of-tune Adele covers while strumming a ukulele. That's a double Oppression score. (Though small negative points for the cultural appropriation.)

Suet Cardigan wrote:From Ars Technica:

Twitter has discovered what many proponents of democratic society already knew: censorship is not the opposite of free speech. In fact, so-called free speech can actually be used as a weapon to silence the vulnerable and dispossessed. Ironically, to maintain its position as a platform for free discourse, Twitter must censor its users.

War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Censorship is Free Speech.

http://arstechnica.co.uk/business/2016/ ... last-year/

Steersman wrote:

Kirbmarc wrote:

Steersman wrote: <snip>

Though I kind of think you're seriously deluding yourself if you think that Islam can be reformed - at least without some serious threats like deportations and banning the immigration of Muslims. All you - and Merkel and company - are doing is creating fifth columns, poisoned chalices, clasping vipers to your (our) breasts.

You might take a look at these recent articles, one from The American Enterprise Institute (Christina Hoff Sommers' stomping ground if I'm not mistaken), and one from The New York Times, both of which are broaching that issue.

The NYT article seems closer to what I say than to your hyperboles. Especially about the difference between regulated and unregulated immigration.

Yea, well I've also suggested "regulating" Muslim immigration too - through the "means test" of saying "either piss on the Quran or piss off". Time to call a spade a shovel - or maybe you didn't notice that article about Pakistan and the fucking ignorant savages there who refused to ban child marriages because the "Council of Islamic Ideology (CII) declared it un-Islamic"? Fuck 'em. Fuck 'em all.

comhcinc wrote: With the way the stock is falling it would be funny if Murdoch or a Kock buying twitter up just for shits and giggles.