Happy 3rd Pit Birthday!

[Really?]

Most probable is that SPP sent it to one reader (per their website) who had already done their edits during Carrier's drafting process - a reader who promptly told Carrier of this amusing mix up. They probably signed off to SPP on the basis on this merry-go-round.

Or SPP sent it to more than this one reader and the others either had nothing to contribute, declined without prejudice or said "yeah whatever nothing jumps out at me". And thus became invisible in all accounts.

I reckon, given the zero feedback from SPP's process, Carrier previously thought the value lay in his own more engaged mates. Now he is not so sure.


From the very useful disquis link above :clap: this dude is worth reading in his entirity. Archive link to his disquis posts here.

He is apparently part if the academic hiring team at a University and sounds appropriately knowledgable. Some of his knowledge and arguments on Carrier seem quite well informed. :think:

https://disqus.com/by/Thiudareiks/

http://i.imgur.com/RPco6vi.jpg

But Carrier has had peer-reviewed papers printed in academic journals.

"Origen, Eusebius, and the Accidental Interpolation in Josephus, Jewish Antiquities 20.200". Journal of Early Christian Studies 20.4 (Winter 2012).
"The Prospect of a Christian Interpolation in Tacitus, Annals 15.44". Vigiliae Christianae 68 (2014).

Brill is a highly respected publisher.

Meanwhile, I haven't found anybody who cites 'Did Jesus Exist?' by Bart Ehrman in a scholarly paper. I might have have overlooked something.

I see 27 cites on Google Scholar, both papers and books. I'm not rubbing my penis in your face Carrier-style. Perhaps Those are all bad citations.

[SM12]

Thanks for the info about 'Did Jesus Exist?'

[free thoughtpolice]

I normally don't like to comment on folks appearances, glass houses, blah, blah, blah...

But wu should have kept her girl cock and spent the cash on facial surgery...

Is she post-op? One would like to know from, say, Wikipedia, but that article doesn't even mention her transsexual status with a single word.

If you want to see scary, there was a brief footube clip posted not so long ago of s/h/it stalking round a table at a con or something, looking like a fucking raptor. If s/h/it had a crest, it would have been raised. Does anyone have the link?

This one has enhanced audio;
[youtube]hsjwLXPqqXM[/youtube]

[Billie from Ockham]

Meanwhile, I haven't found anybody who cites 'Did Jesus Exist?' by Bart Ehrman in a scholarly paper. I might have have overlooked something.

You have. https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cite ... 0,16&hl=en

[another lurker]

[youtube]4THO9-N--k4[/youtube]

[Billie from Ockham]

I see 27 cites on Google Scholar, both papers and books. I'm not rubbing my penis in your face Carrier-style. Perhaps Those are all bad citations.

And again with the :nin: s

[Lsuoma]

In all the tributes I've seen to the Rickster, not one has mentioned Galaxy Quest. :-(

He played Hamlet at 23, you know.

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpspro ... c5bc34.jpg

[Lsuoma]

Actually, that's Tybalt in Romeo and Juliet.

[Service Dog]

I'm finishing reading the Heinlein bio. Didn't know he was directly involved in Reagan's 'Star Wars' SDI. And he tried to draft Jeanne Kirkpatrick for Pres in 88. And Ross Perot's campaign published a Heinlein tract on grassroots organizing. And Heinlein kept San Diego Comicon afloat in the early years, after an embezzlement of their finances. Around age 80, he & wife were aboard the first ship to complete the Northwest Passage from Europe to Orient. His influence on the US blood donor system was far-beyond what I expected. Hugh Hefner & the Manson family were big fans (and Sharon Tate was an acquaintnece.)

The case for him being the Mark Twain of the 20th Century is stronger than I realized.

[Jan Steen]

<snip>

Did we ever find out how many reviewers SP used? Their website talks in the singular and here he says that there were no SPP revisions required. It must have been a busy day for Robert M Price.

There must have been at least three reviewers engaged by Sheffield Phoenix (not Sheffield-Phoenix, Dicky!). This seems to follow from Carrier's Update (quoted below), where he claims that he knew one of the SP reviewers by name, while "others" remained anonymous. So, if we are to believe Dr. Carrier, th-

But what am I saying? If we are to believe Dr. Carrier. Hahahaha.

Update: I have revised “Sheffield’s own peer reviewers have also approved the text and their revision requests have been satisfied” to simply “And Sheffield’s own peer reviewers have approved the text” because checking my records I realize the only peer reviewer they had been working with whom I know by name (others remain anonymous) also happened by chance to be one of the professors I had chosen myself (as I discovered later); and though all reviewer revision requests I received were satisfied, not all peer reviewers sent revision requests.

[Billie from Ockham]

I love the "happened by chance" bit. It's a clear claim that he did not suggest that reviewer.

We average about one, clear, verifiable claim per five tweets back and forth. He is a slippery guy.

[Oglebart]

I normally don't like to comment on folks appearances, glass houses, blah, blah, blah...

But wu should have kept her girl cock and spent the cash on facial surgery...

Is she post-op? One would like to know from, say, Wikipedia, but that article doesn't even mention her transsexual status with a single word.

If you want to see scary, there was a brief footube clip posted not so long ago of s/h/it stalking round a table at a con or something, looking like a fucking raptor. If s/h/it had a crest, it would have been raised. Does anyone have the link?

Here you go, not the vid you asked for, I see that's been posted already but the thread over on Kiwi Farms has lots of zingers like this, fucking terrifying if you ask me :shock:

https://kiwifar.ms/attachments/image-jpeg.53735/

[Oglebart]

Oh yeah I forgot, Trigger Warning or summat, :D

[Jan Steen]

Perhaps Carrier is having recovered memories. He had forgotten all about Sheffield Phoenix's own peer review process, but thanks to our prodding it's now all coming back to him.

[Jan Steen]

He is a slippery guy.

What else do you expect from a Spunk Master? :lol:

[another lurker]

@Screwtape

From your earlier WEIT link:

A fair point, but remember (and this is not post facto rationalization) that consciousness of victimhood is often bizarrely combined with visions of superiority. “I’m a victim, but I’m a special snowflake and deserve much better!”
Reply

Pali
Posted January 13, 2016 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

One only needs to look at the Christian Right in the USA to confirm that. Authoritarians in general seem to exhibit this fairly often as well.
Reply
gluonspring
Posted January 14, 2016 at 11:05 am | Permalink

Goodwin trigger warning:

Consciousness of superiority and victimhood often go hand in hand.

The Nazis were born out of an intense sense of butt hurt victimhood. It would be hard to find someone who felt more the victim than Hitler… in his mind they were the victims of treacherous allied powers, especially France, they were the victims of traitors within, especially the Jews, and so on. The aggrievement drips from his writing and speeches, and that is part of what connected with his audience: they all felt like victims and Hitler helped sharpen their sense of victimhood while helping them focus on someone to blame.

And, of course, they preached that the Germanic tribes, the victims of so many treacheries, were the best tribe. The narrative often goes, “We, the very best of people, were made into victims by these lesser people!”, which only makes the feeling of outrage seem the more intense.

https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.co ... nt-1288233

[Matt Cavanaugh]

She's still a major dick.

But also a major cunt. And a major asshole.

Just a nasty cloaca altogether.

[NoGodsEver]

Actually, that's Tybalt in Romeo and Juliet.

No, actually, that's Pete Townshend.

[comhcinc]

Actually, that's Tybalt in Romeo and Juliet.

No, actually, that's Pete Townshend.

Pete Townshend played Hamlet at 23?

[Cnutella]

Hilarious from Twitter:

CARRIER: Men and women are close to parity in the FTB readership.

CONCORDANCE: Facts n stuff. Only 26% of FTB readers are women.

CARRIER: There's a reason for the great disparity between men and women in the FTB readership.

Wouldn't you think that because of FTB's welcoming attitude towards women and minorities (so long as they have the appropriate political leanings) and the rampant sexist that they say is rife in the atheist community, the proportions should reflect this? It's almost like women and minorities in the atheist community don't care about having a safe space, or that enough of them were revolted by what FTB became that they're staying away? "We're reflecting the average" is hardly a ringing endorsement of FTB.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Actually, that's Tybalt in Romeo and Juliet.

mea culpa -- correction: Richard III

[youtube]uDJsCE01LYI[/youtube]

[Guest_0048cc29]

Claim:

Response:

Interesting details about students disliking Melby from long before the BlockBot, GamerGate, and Olivia's defenestration, and about how "some blogger guy conspired" is more like her real life shit antics backfired and even that was moot as she was probably already on the chopping block due to poor teaching skills.

[another lurker]

Welp, its official.

German women can't complain about migrant rapists roaming the streets cuz the Nazis raped non-Aryan womyn during ww2.

[Guest_0048cc29]

Summarized, her rebuttal is that yeah, she was inexperienced then (2010ish), but she got better.

And she's sticking with the claim his complaints about her got her fired, though the blogger says his complaints were in response to her calling the cops on him, then harassing him (by tweeting at him after blocking him)

And something something academic freedom

[Cnutella]

Welp, its official.

German women can't complain about migrant rapists roaming the streets cuz the Nazis raped non-Aryan womyn during ww2.

I thought the Russians settled that debt?

[Scented Nectar]

I normally don't like to comment on folks appearances, glass houses, blah, blah, blah...

But wu should have kept her girl cock and spent the cash on facial surgery...

Talk about falling out of the ugly tree and hitting every branch on the way down.

That is one frightening mug.

Wu had SRS surgery? I just assumed he was one of the majority who have no intention of changing their sex organs because of it being a fetish rather than actual dysmorphia. It's a surprise these days when they actually change their parts.

I'm betting s/he did. And the millionaire brat funded some, if not all of it, through e-begging.

http://imgur.com/MfFNHHU.png

http://imgur.com/Ld3l4T2.png

That second post said it was for a birth defect. Although even if Wu claimed it was for the transition, it could have still been for something other than genital reassignment. One transwoman I knew in real life had about a dozen surgeries even though he still had a penis and balls. A few of them were for changing his masculine jawline, so unless a transwoman specifically says they have had reassignment surgery of their genitals, I don't trust them. Wu let it be implied in that first post like he was talking about genital surgery, but then in the second one claims it was for a birth defect of the urinary tract. That could be the condition that causes the pee hole to be on the side rather than the tip of the penis. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypospadias

[another lurker]

It is very difficult to know all of the hundreds or maybe even thousands of words and phrases that mean something different on a sj site then anywhere else. I used the word negotiate on one site. I didn't know that the word meant to use pressure and coercion to force someone to do what you want on that particular site. When I apologized and said that I was only aware of the dictionary definition of the word I was told that I was a dictionary atheist. On that site, using the word negotiate meant that I believed that it was ok for a man to beat his wife. I never understood this connection but asking someone how they got from point a to point b was admitting that I was a sexist. On that particular cite once you make a mistake there is no apology allowed. You are guilty,end of story.

:bjarte:

[MacGruberKnows]

PZ actually has a great link to a great video.

[youtube]NbqtAuT4zbk[/youtube]

[Shatterface]

It is very difficult to know all of the hundreds or maybe even thousands of words and phrases that mean something different on a sj site then anywhere else. I used the word negotiate on one site. I didn't know that the word meant to use pressure and coercion to force someone to do what you want on that particular site. When I apologized and said that I was only aware of the dictionary definition of the word I was told that I was a dictionary atheist. On that site, using the word negotiate meant that I believed that it was ok for a man to beat his wife. I never understood this connection but asking someone how they got from point a to point b was admitting that I was a sexist. On that particular cite once you make a mistake there is no apology allowed. You are guilty,end of story.

:bjarte:

So if the choice is war or negotiation they see no fucking difference?

[Aneris]

Welp, its official.

German women can't complain about migrant rapists roaming the streets cuz the Nazis raped non-Aryan womyn during ww2.

Official, where? The news I see here are pretty straightforward. It's true that the news and reporting, including official police PR, generally downplayed the challenges and problems that come with refugees and immigrants. But not as much as I see it with the SJWs, or what I hear from Sweden, and that by far. The Vice Germany article I read a few days ago was straight SJWism and very unusual to read in German. It sounded like ultra-left-wing Antifa in German. I know the type well, because I myself participated in Left Wing (environmental-themed) activism when I was a young adult, which was teeming with antifa and black bloc types. There's a certain style to it.

There was in indepth reportage on the main channels a few days ago that showed young women mainly from Hamburg that explained frankly how the perpetrators were young Arab man (around 20 years old), or mocked them as gangs of slender boys from northern Africa or some arabian country. A leader of a Muslim community portrayed them as common street thugs as they exist in Arab states and of course denounced them. The women mainly portrayed them as having a clear sexual motivation in many cases, and aimed at stealing in others (where sexual assault serves also as a distraction). In some instances they groped but didn't use the opportuntiy to rob something even if they could. It's considered a very upsetting situation. Politics (as well as police) are taking it very seriously as far as I can tell. But it's also true that this didn't begin on the Eve, but there was a pattern already before, but underreported. The women in Hamburg stated they didn't report patterns before because these people look "too alike to them", and they expected that the police couldn't do anything anyway. There's a true core. The police often cannot identify them good enough, are sometimes afraid of being seen as racist and doens't want to look too hard, and there is a sense that the perpetrators are free quickly afterwards for some reason.

Obviously, the impression on how this is reported will be different with different media outlets. But the mainstream media, and we have the counterpart of the BBC, are not holding back who the perpetrators were ethnically, and that this is totally unacceptable and poses a problem with the welcoming culture we maintained. They also try to be carefully optimistic, which I find sensible, too.

I hate it that hooligans and similar types take it into their hands and hunt down foreign looking people and beating them up, which happened already; or that pressure increases on refugees. While it's clear there are bad apples among them, and it's also not a secret that organized crime tries to take advantage of the dire situation of them by recruiting them, I still believe it's morally right to provide humanitarian aid -- in general. My contention is only that humanitarian aid doesn't mean unplanned, unmitigated immigration of workers -- because the burden is typically carried by poor people and the situation is exploited by employers and others. But I strongly believe that the anger should be at the right place, and not on people who lost their home and heritage (think ISIS blowing up their culture's sites and artifacts) and who live in situations that none of us would find tolerable. You have to be angry with politicans and others, not with people who turn up bleeding in your emergency room.

[another lurker]

Welp, its official.

German women can't complain about migrant rapists roaming the streets cuz the Nazis raped non-Aryan womyn during ww2.

Official, where? The news I see here are pretty straightforward. It's true that the news and reporting, including official police PR, generally downplayed the challenges and problems that come with refugees and immigrants. But not as much as I see it with the SJWs, or what I hear from Sweden, and that by far. The Vice Germany article I read a few days ago was straight SJWism and very unusual to read in German. It sounded like ultra-left-wing Antifa in German. I know the type well, because I myself participated in Left Wing (environmental-themed) activism when I was a young adult, which was teeming with antifa and black bloc types. There's a certain style to it.

There was in indepth reportage on the main channels a few days ago that showed young women mainly from Hamburg that explained frankly how the perpetrators were young Arab man (around 20 years old), or mocked them as gangs of slender boys from northern Africa or some arabian country. A leader of a Muslim community portrayed them as common street thugs as they exist in Arab states and of course denounced them. The women mainly portrayed them as having a clear sexual motivation in many cases, and aimed at stealing in others (where sexual assault serves also as a distraction). In some instances they groped but didn't use the opportuntiy to rob something even if they could. It's considered a very upsetting situation. Politics (as well as police) are taking it very seriously as far as I can tell. But it's also true that this didn't begin on the Eve, but there was a pattern already before, but underreported. The women in Hamburg stated they didn't report patterns before because these people look "too alike to them", and they expected that the police couldn't do anything anyway. There's a true core. The police often cannot identify them good enough, are sometimes afraid of being seen as racist and doens't want to look too hard, and there is a sense that the perpetrators are free quickly afterwards for some reason.

Obviously, the impression on how this is reported will be different with different media outlets. But the mainstream media, and we have the counterpart of the BBC, are not holding back who the perpetrators were ethnically, and that this is totally unacceptable and poses a problem with the welcoming culture we maintained. They also try to be carefully optimistic, which I find sensible, too.

I hate it that hooligans and similar types take it into their hands and hunt down foreign looking people and beating them up, which happened already; or that pressure increases on refugees. While it's clear there are bad apples among them, and it's also not a secret that organized crime tries to take advantage of the dire situation of them by recruiting them, I still believe it's morally right to provide humanitarian aid -- in general. My contention is only that humanitarian aid doesn't mean unplanned, unmitigated immigration of workers -- because the burden is typically carried by poor people and the situation is exploited by employers and others. But I strongly believe that the anger should be at the right place, and not on people who lost their home and heritage (think ISIS blowing up their culture's sites and artifacts) and who live in situations that none of us would find tolerable. You have to be angry with politicans and others, not with people who turn up bleeding in your emergency room.

That was a paraphrase of a quote from an asshat on that LJF thread that I linked earlier.

TinaK • 2 hours ago

I am a german woman in my mid-30th, and LIbby, I think you got it wrong.

"I am simply here to point out that any attempt to position such crimes as an "Arab" or "Muslim" problem miss the problem already among us."

That totally misses to problem with the Cologne attacks. Nothing like this has ever, EVER happened before in Germany. It is totally unthinkable that hundreds of german men stick together to systematically attack and attack women in PUBLIC and while policemen are standing next to them. The sexual crimes that happen at the Octoberfest are very different in nature and in no wa comparable to what happened in Cologne. Thats a new dimension of crime that is exclusively caused by immigrants from North Africa with a muslim background. Going out in Germany as a women on your own is - or at least, has been - extremely safe, with street harassment almost absent. I am out a lot, often on my own or with female friends, at ever time of the day and night in different cities and I never felt unsafe, nor have I EVER been harassed. Never. Neither have I ever been groped by strangers while using public transport. That is very unusual (which seems to be a huge difference in regards to the USA, sadly!). Germany has been so safe, and that`s why people here are now so outraged and afraid that the many male immigrants from North Africa/Arabia are going to ruin this for us.

AAAtheist Mod TinaK • an hour ago

Nothing like this [coordinated mass sexual assault] has ever, EVER happened before in Germany.

It is totally unthinkable that hundreds of [German] men [would] stick together to systematically [attack] women …

Might want to recheck your German history. Germans (presumably native born and/or of Aryan descent) have systematically sexually assaulted and raped “foreign” (non-Germanic/non-Aryan) women too (or have been the “rape-prone foreigners” in others’ countries), so your stereotyping of certain rapists as worse than others is offensive.

And I will leave you with a quote by the author of the article you’re commenting on.

It’s easy to look at another culture and comment on its sexism and it’s much harder to address the sexism in your own culture.

Also, Laurie Penny:

It’s time to take rape, sexual assault and structural misogyny as seriously every day as we do when migrants and Muslims are involved as perpetrators. That means that, yes, refugees must learn to respect women as human beings. Citizens, too, must learn to respect women’s agency and autonomy.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfem ... 2458651645

The gall of these assholes.

[free thoughtpolice]

another lurker wrote:

The gall of these assholes.

I think Laurie Penny is right! It's about time we white cis het males started to regard rape as a crime and put serious penalties on it including prison time!
We must live in a rape culture when even progressive feminist types want to apologize for organized rape gangs operating in public because they are afraid it may make them look like a bigot.
It's why SZvan can write about her fear of walking around in her neighborhood at night because of the possibility she might meet a white rapist and complaining she didn't have the spoons to canvass her neighborhood about gay rights and then later sat she lives in a majority Somali neighborhood?

[Lsuoma]

Tell that to the whole Irish language ;)

(It's pronounced "EE-fa", FYI.)

This is just the sort of Gaelic trickery I'd expect from a Padraic

Anagram of Oafie.

[Keating]

Official, where? The news I see here are pretty straightforward. It's true that the news and reporting, including official police PR, generally downplayed the challenges and problems that come with refugees and immigrants. But not as much as I see it with the SJWs, or what I hear from Sweden, and that by far. The Vice Germany article I read a few days ago was straight SJWism and very unusual to read in German. It sounded like ultra-left-wing Antifa in German. I know the type well, because I myself participated in Left Wing (environmental-themed) activism when I was a young adult, which was teeming with antifa and black bloc types. There's a certain style to it.

There was in indepth reportage on the main channels a few days ago that showed young women mainly from Hamburg that explained frankly how the perpetrators were young Arab man (around 20 years old), or mocked them as gangs of slender boys from northern Africa or some arabian country. A leader of a Muslim community portrayed them as common street thugs as they exist in Arab states and of course denounced them. The women mainly portrayed them as having a clear sexual motivation in many cases, and aimed at stealing in others (where sexual assault serves also as a distraction). In some instances they groped but didn't use the opportuntiy to rob something even if they could. It's considered a very upsetting situation. Politics (as well as police) are taking it very seriously as far as I can tell. But it's also true that this didn't begin on the Eve, but there was a pattern already before, but underreported. The women in Hamburg stated they didn't report patterns before because these people look "too alike to them", and they expected that the police couldn't do anything anyway. There's a true core. The police often cannot identify them good enough, are sometimes afraid of being seen as racist and doens't want to look too hard, and there is a sense that the perpetrators are free quickly afterwards for some reason.

Obviously, the impression on how this is reported will be different with different media outlets. But the mainstream media, and we have the counterpart of the BBC, are not holding back who the perpetrators were ethnically, and that this is totally unacceptable and poses a problem with the welcoming culture we maintained. They also try to be carefully optimistic, which I find sensible, too.

I hate it that hooligans and similar types take it into their hands and hunt down foreign looking people and beating them up, which happened already; or that pressure increases on refugees. While it's clear there are bad apples among them, and it's also not a secret that organized crime tries to take advantage of the dire situation of them by recruiting them, I still believe it's morally right to provide humanitarian aid -- in general. My contention is only that humanitarian aid doesn't mean unplanned, unmitigated immigration of workers -- because the burden is typically carried by poor people and the situation is exploited by employers and others. But I strongly believe that the anger should be at the right place, and not on people who lost their home and heritage (think ISIS blowing up their culture's sites and artifacts) and who live in situations that none of us would find tolerable. You have to be angry with politicans and others, not with people who turn up bleeding in your emergency room.

I gave up breaking up your quote as I'm on my phone.

It's obvious now that there was an effort to cover up what happened, to not make a fuss. It only got media attention because of social media and the outrage of the right wing press.

I think there is a good case to be made that Merkel is guilty of treason, and now that two judges in Germany have said they think her actions could be unconstitutional, I'll be very interested to see how that plays out.

What really pisses me off, and what has really shifted me to the right in recent years are perfectly encapsulated here. First there was the attempted cover up. Then there was the weak ass police response. On the night, despite authorities being aware of what was happening, hardly any law enforcement was present. A couple of days later, when people tried to protest what happened, the police are there with overwhelming force and water cannons. Sexual assault and thuggery is apparently unworthy of law enforcement, but saying maybe it should be, gets you blasted with a high pressure hose.

This has been building for a while. Rotherham is what really shifted me from left to centre, and the more crap like this happens, the further to the right I go. At least, right now, the right isn't pissing on me and telling me it's raining. Europe's problem is cultural relativism; Europeans are culturally superior to MENA people, and they fucking shouldn't be afraid to say so.

[Aneris]

<snip>

AAAtheist Mod TinaK • an hour ago

Nothing like this [coordinated mass sexual assault] has ever, EVER happened before in Germany.

It is totally unthinkable that hundreds of [German] men [would] stick together to systematically [attack] women …

Might want to recheck your German history. Germans (presumably native born and/or of Aryan descent) have systematically sexually assaulted and raped “foreign” (non-Germanic/non-Aryan) women too (or have been the “rape-prone foreigners” in others’ countries), so your stereotyping of certain rapists as worse than others is offensive.

And I will leave you with a quote by the author of the article you’re commenting on.

It’s easy to look at another culture and comment on its sexism and it’s much harder to address the sexism in your own culture.

Also, Laurie Penny:

It’s time to take rape, sexual assault and structural misogyny as seriously every day as we do when migrants and Muslims are involved as perpetrators. That means that, yes, refugees must learn to respect women as human beings. Citizens, too, must learn to respect women’s agency and autonomy.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfem ... 2458651645

The gall of these assholes.

I see! The woman from Germany is spot on. That's my perception as well. I mentioned a few times that part of the SJW problem is that situations in one country cannot be transferred easily to another one, even if they are somewhat similar on a first glance.

One is that SJWs extrapolate sexual harassment from the USA to worldwide, and when challenged retreat to the trivially true that sexual harassment occurs everywhere. However that's a different proposal, since the USA with its very conserative wing and attitudes often don't have a counterpart in European countries (especially not in the northern ones). The other main one is with Muslims, who are a small minority in the USA who are not more literalist or extremist than their Evangelical counterparts. But in Europe, where Anglicans, Protestants and even Catholics are often short of deists and where literalism and creationism are rather rare, Muslims stand out and are far more numerous in proportion. For the sake of completeness, the third one is racism: the whole framing and conception doesn't work in Germany. Before people say "Rasse" and mean human groups, they bite off their tongue. It's an alien, fascist and overt racist concept. People aren't "colorblind", which is yet another thing from the American discourse. They do well see where someone is from. But without a history of slavery and entire subcultures, there is no place for human races and there are no societal needs to operate with such a term. We speak of ethnicities and origins which fits the situation here much better. You can convey the same, but it's also a more forgiving a term, since it doesn't care whether some aspect has to do with biology, culture, or religion.

Germany is very safe, even in big cities and even at 3 am. That's not just because places are populated, or due to public transportation filled with party people and funny strangers. I got the sense of the difference once I was in San Franscisco. Walking around and even venturing a street too far at night and I found shady people hanging out at street corners, where I got a sense of unease and rising dread.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

I normally don't like to comment on folks appearances, glass houses, blah, blah, blah...

But wu should have kept her girl cock and spent the cash on facial surgery...

If you want to see scary, there was a brief footube clip posted not so long ago of s/h/it stalking round a table at a con or something, looking like a fucking raptor. If s/h/it had a crest, it would have been raised. Does anyone have the link?

I found a still from that video:

brianna_wu.jpg

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[John D]

<snip>

AAAtheist Mod TinaK • an hour ago

Nothing like this [coordinated mass sexual assault] has ever, EVER happened before in Germany.

It is totally unthinkable that hundreds of [German] men [would] stick together to systematically [attack] women …

Might want to recheck your German history. Germans (presumably native born and/or of Aryan descent) have systematically sexually assaulted and raped “foreign” (non-Germanic/non-Aryan) women too (or have been the “rape-prone foreigners” in others’ countries), so your stereotyping of certain rapists as worse than others is offensive.

And I will leave you with a quote by the author of the article you’re commenting on.

It’s easy to look at another culture and comment on its sexism and it’s much harder to address the sexism in your own culture.

Also, Laurie Penny:

It’s time to take rape, sexual assault and structural misogyny as seriously every day as we do when migrants and Muslims are involved as perpetrators. That means that, yes, refugees must learn to respect women as human beings. Citizens, too, must learn to respect women’s agency and autonomy.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfem ... 2458651645

The gall of these assholes.

I see! The woman from Germany is spot on. That's my perception as well. I mentioned a few times that part of the SJW problem is that situations in one country cannot be transferred easily to another one, even if they are somewhat similar on a first glance.

One is that SJWs extrapolate sexual harassment from the USA to worldwide, and when challenged retreat to the trivially true that sexual harassment occurs everywhere. However that's a different proposal, since the USA with its very conserative wing and attitudes often don't have a counterpart in European countries (especially not in the northern ones). The other main one is with Muslims, who are a small minority in the USA who are not more literalist or extremist than their Evangelical counterparts. But in Europe, where Anglicans, Protestants and even Catholics are often short of deists and where literalism and creationism are rather rare, Muslims stand out and are far more numerous in proportion. For the sake of completeness, the third one is racism: the whole framing and conception doesn't work in Germany. Before people say "Rasse" and mean human groups, they bite off their tongue. It's an alien, fascist and overt racist concept. People aren't "colorblind", which is yet another thing from the American discourse. They do well see where someone is from. But without a history of slavery and entire subcultures, there is no place for human races and there are no societal needs to operate with such a term. We speak of ethnicities and origins which fits the situation here much better. You can convey the same, but it's also a more forgiving a term, since it doesn't care whether some aspect has to do with biology, culture, or religion.

Germany is very safe, even in big cities and even at 3 am. That's not just because places are populated, or due to public transportation filled with party people and funny strangers. I got the sense of the difference once I was in San Franscisco. Walking around and even venturing a street too far at night and I found shady people hanging out at street corners, where I got a sense of unease and rising dread.

Have these fucking SJWs from the US even been to Germany? Jesus Fucking Christ!

[free thoughtpolice]

I hear the worst places for sexual oppression are atheist conventions where there are a lot of astronomers.
In fact, I recall, or it could have been a dream, where I was a a science convention, and out of nowhere one of Pamela Gay's ample breasts aggressively tried to grope my hand. :roll: :(
What are the chances that Phil Plait turns out to be a monster?

[Really?]

I hear the worst places for sexual oppression are atheist conventions where there are a lot of astronomers.
In fact, I recall, or it could have been a dream, where I was a a science convention, and out of nowhere one of Pamela Gay's ample breasts aggressively tried to grope my hand. :roll: :(
What are the chances that Phil Plait turns out to be a monster?

I used Beyes' Theorem and did an analysis. It turned out that there's a 99.42454731340972910347542702350970239% chance that Phil Plait turns out to be a monster.

if you question my maths or ask if you can add additional peer review to my work, you are a racist bigot who has committed a half dozen felonies.

https://a2-images.myspacecdn.com/images ... 4/full.jpg

[Michael J]

Hilarious from Twitter:
<clipped>
CARRIER: Men and women are close to parity in the FTB readership.

CONCORDANCE: Facts n stuff. Only 26% of FTB readers are women.

CARRIER: There's a reason for the great disparity between men and women in the FTB readership.

Wouldn't you think that because of FTB's welcoming attitude towards women and minorities (so long as they have the appropriate political leanings) and the rampant sexist that they say is rife in the atheist community, the proportions should reflect this? It's almost like women and minorities in the atheist community don't care about having a safe space, or that enough of them were revolted by what FTB became that they're staying away? "We're reflecting the average" is hardly a ringing endorsement of FTB.

Most of the Major Atheist events have about 40% women so a large portion of Atheist women are actively avoiding FTB

[DaveDodo007]

Ahhh...I always wondered why humans were the only animal species where the females were attracted to the males.

Now I know.

:doh:

Erm...We are the only species to mate because we are attracted to each other, without it we would die out. Every other species on the planet has some hormonal (mating) reproduction strategy. I'm not playing down human's hormonal factors in the part of the attraction we have for each other.

Is this sarcasm? Or are you just defining 'attraction' in a hyper-narrow way for some reason?

I wasn't having ago at you by the way. I just don't think being 'in heat' (Estrous cycle) or instinctive breeding and/or mating strategies counts as sexual attraction except in the most tenuous sense.

[comhcinc]

Most of the Major Atheist events have about 40% women so a large portion of Atheist women are actively avoiding FTB

When you add in the women that happen to look like fat bald hairy assholes that number could be easily over 60%.

[free thoughtpolice]

I hear the worst places for sexual oppression are atheist conventions where there are a lot of astronomers.
In fact, I recall, or it could have been a dream, where I was a a science convention, and out of nowhere one of Pamela Gay's ample breasts aggressively tried to grope my hand. :roll: :(
What are the chances that Phil Plait turns out to be a monster?

I used Beyes' Theorem and did an analysis. It turned out that there's a 99.42454731340972910347542702350970239% chance that Phil Plait turns out to be a monster.

if you question my maths or ask if you can add additional peer review to my work, you are a racist bigot who has committed a half dozen felonies.

https://a2-images.myspacecdn.com/images ... 4/full.jpg

That is why it is not safe for womyn to go into STEM! What is up this guy? Does he go around in a raincoat flashing young girls while furiously adjusting his telescope?
If there is a clean up of perverts in astronomy Phil is looking like someone needs a bit of scrutiny.

[free thoughtpolice]

for you commie:
[youtube]JqXAdKF9h94[/youtube]

[Really?]

I hear the worst places for sexual oppression are atheist conventions where there are a lot of astronomers.
In fact, I recall, or it could have been a dream, where I was a a science convention, and out of nowhere one of Pamela Gay's ample breasts aggressively tried to grope my hand. :roll: :(
What are the chances that Phil Plait turns out to be a monster?

I used Beyes' Theorem and did an analysis. It turned out that there's a 99.42454731340972910347542702350970239% chance that Phil Plait turns out to be a monster.

if you question my maths or ask if you can add additional peer review to my work, you are a racist bigot who has committed a half dozen felonies.

https://a2-images.myspacecdn.com/images ... 4/full.jpg

That is why it is not safe for womyn to go into STEM! What is up this guy? Does he go around in a raincoat flashing young girls while furiously adjusting his telescope?
If there is a clean up of perverts in astronomy Phil is looking like someone needs a bit of scrutiny.

Phil Plait, keywords "Bad Astronomer" and who also writes the Bad Astronomer blog for Slate, is a transphobe. He tried to apologize, but we know that the constant policing of language and thought render apologies moot.

http://womeninastronomy.blogspot.com/20 ... sorry.html

Perhaps if Plait had worn a hairshirt. Catholics and other dogmatics know a lot about repenting!

[another lurker]

Patriarchy goes back 45'000 years according to this paper
http://www.theatlantic.com/science/arch ... ry/424080/

Shitlords!

[comhcinc]

for you commie:
[youtube]JqXAdKF9h94[/youtube]

Damn you bear I was listening to Nirvana unplugged.

[free thoughtpolice]

I thought I saw some pictures of Phil Plait at a scantily dressed Polynesian culture appropriating party that was pretty gross and sexist but when I went back to find them recently they were erased. I can only hope he hasn't been trying to cover up his past sins. :shock:
If he is ashamed about the behavior he learned from the bacchanalian astronomer culture he has been a part of he needs to start by confess to his misdeeds. For a start. :ugeek:

[free thoughtpolice]

[youtube]HDxiJF9TkFg[/youtube]
Did I ever tell you the story about when I was at this party a giant christian astronomer boob...

[Really?]

Hilarious from Twitter:
<clipped>
CARRIER: Men and women are close to parity in the FTB readership.

CONCORDANCE: Facts n stuff. Only 26% of FTB readers are women.

CARRIER: There's a reason for the great disparity between men and women in the FTB readership.

Wouldn't you think that because of FTB's welcoming attitude towards women and minorities (so long as they have the appropriate political leanings) and the rampant sexist that they say is rife in the atheist community, the proportions should reflect this? It's almost like women and minorities in the atheist community don't care about having a safe space, or that enough of them were revolted by what FTB became that they're staying away? "We're reflecting the average" is hardly a ringing endorsement of FTB.

Most of the Major Atheist events have about 40% women so a large portion of Atheist women are actively avoiding FTB

I forget where, but I saw one of the dumb people complaining a long time ago that 40% was too low...so they started telling those in the community and outside it that if a woman goes to TAM, she'll be hogtied, thrown into the trunk of Shermer's car and thrown into a rape pit where the remaining Horsemen will rape them on an hourly basis, each time calling them a different Muslim name.

Then they were shocked as hell that the female attendance at conferences didn't break 40%.

[MacGruberKnows]

I looked at the femfrequency site. It seems like a lot of feminist/SJWs on that site and a lot of other sites that are desperately trying to bring the focus back to white males. I guess to keep in lie with white males [and if Christian add 100 bonus points] are the only evil on this planet and we all lived in the atheist version of the Garden of Eden till they came along. One guy mentioned the hypocrisy of trying to turn the Cologne sexual assaults into an attack on white males - and mentioned how the woman walking in Y for 10 hrs. video went off the radar when it was mentioned that the vast amount of harassment came from no-white males and in mostly white areas the harassment was almost no-existent - and was called a race-baiter and was blocked. But it is the feminist/SJWs who are trying to change the focus from the Muslim thugs to white men and are therefore race-baiting, or race-baiting by race-switching. If it was about white men you would not see the word Muslim anywhere in the site. There is no logical consistency to it. It is all based on the color of skin. The lack of self-awareness is alarming.

And isn't this 'well these other people sexually assault women also, therefore [implication: not so bad]" really, really disgusting?

[MacGruberKnows]

Damn. I could have ordered about 5 of these a month ago and had the bulk of my Christmas shopping done:

https://plumbananas.files.wordpress.com ... .jpg?w=490

[MacGruberKnows]

AAAtheist Mod TinaK • an hour ago

Nothing like this [coordinated mass sexual assault] has ever, EVER happened before in Germany.

It is totally unthinkable that hundreds of [German] men [would] stick together to systematically [attack] women …

Might want to recheck your German history. Germans (presumably native born and/or of Aryan descent) have systematically sexually assaulted and raped “foreign” (non-Germanic/non-Aryan) women too (or have been the “rape-prone foreigners” in others’ countries), so your stereotyping of certain rapists as worse than others is offensive.

And I will leave you with a quote by the author of the article you’re commenting on.

It’s easy to look at another culture and comment on its sexism and it’s much harder to address the sexism in your own culture.

Also, Laurie Penny:

It’s time to take rape, sexual assault and structural misogyny as seriously every day as we do when migrants and Muslims are involved as perpetrators. That means that, yes, refugees must learn to respect women as human beings. Citizens, too, must learn to respect women’s agency and autonomy.

Just to make sure you get the pertinent point to be responded to:

Might want to recheck your German history. Germans (presumably native born and/or of Aryan descent) have systematically sexually assaulted and raped “foreign” (non-Germanic/non-Aryan) women too (or have been the “rape-prone foreigners” in others’ countries), so your stereotyping of certain rapists as worse than others is offensive.

Damion, hate him love him - hits it out of the park:

This casual comparison of Third Reich wartime atrocities to the acts of Muslim refugees is far more damning and insightful than any right-wing xenophobic rant.

Well, they weren't any worse than Nazi's

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Ape+lust]

I used Beyes' Theorem and did an analysis. It turned out that there's a 99.42454731340972910347542702350970239% chance that Phil Plait turns out to be a monster.

if you question my maths or ask if you can add additional peer review to my work, you are a racist bigot who has committed a half dozen felonies.

https://a2-images.myspacecdn.com/images ... 4/full.jpg

http://imgur.com/PiFDwLT.jpg

[Really?]

I used Beyes' Theorem and did an analysis. It turned out that there's a 99.42454731340972910347542702350970239% chance that Phil Plait turns out to be a monster.

if you question my maths or ask if you can add additional peer review to my work, you are a racist bigot who has committed a half dozen felonies.

https://a2-images.myspacecdn.com/images ... 4/full.jpg

http://imgur.com/PiFDwLT.jpg

That's fantastic. I guess Phil Plait can't claim to be an average Caucasian.

[Lsuoma]

Damn. I could have ordered about 5 of these a month ago and had the bulk of my Christmas shopping done:

https://plumbananas.files.wordpress.com ... .jpg?w=490

Looks like they only come in pairs.

[Ape+lust]

Here you go, not the vid you asked for, I see that's been posted already but the thread over on Kiwi Farms has lots of zingers like this, fucking terrifying if you ask me :shock:

https://kiwifar.ms/attachments/image-jpeg.53735/

Scarier when it moves.

[MacGruberKnows]

Here you go, not the vid you asked for, I see that's been posted already but the thread over on Kiwi Farms has lots of zingers like this, fucking terrifying if you ask me :shock:

https://kiwifar.ms/attachments/image-jpeg.53735/

Scarier when it moves.

Thank you.

[Brive1987]

I used Beyes' Theorem and did an analysis. It turned out that there's a 99.42454731340972910347542702350970239% chance that Phil Plait turns out to be a monster.

if you question my maths or ask if you can add additional peer review to my work, you are a racist bigot who has committed a half dozen felonies.

https://a2-images.myspacecdn.com/images ... 4/full.jpg

http://imgur.com/PiFDwLT.jpg

:lol: :lol: Just the cheer up I needed.

[Brive1987]

I thought I saw some pictures of Phil Plait at a scantily dressed Polynesian culture appropriating party that was pretty gross and sexist but when I went back to find them recently they were erased. I can only hope he hasn't been trying to cover up his past sins. :shock:
If he is ashamed about the behavior he learned from the bacchanalian astronomer culture he has been a part of he needs to start by confess to his misdeeds. For a start. :ugeek:

Not shooped.

http://i.imgur.com/2ZW7p0T.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/uSTzrwW.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/pJCr6Wp.jpg