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It sounds like the ocean

[Parody Accountant]

Has Google recently done something to remove pitshops from their searches?

Maybe I'm mistaken here but it used to be a funny side-effect of the activities of the various talented artists on this site that when you did a google image search for several of our favorite SJW (Peezus, Watson, Ophelia, La-den, etc) that you would get, as well as their standard pictures, a collection of artistic renderings from the likes of Ape-lust, Jan Steen and Gumby.

Hell, even a few of mine would end up in the results!
It was a sort of sardonic pleasure to think that the SJWs must have known that they were not totally in control of their public image and that people searching for pictures of them would get back a set of satirical pictures that might just provoke them to think.

But now...

There's almost no sign of the pitshops on google image search.
You do get a few satirical pictures from reaps site creeping in but almost all the pitshops - and in particular the famous ones that we have seen before (for example the one Gumby did of Ophelia with the inflated alien head) are missing. It used to be one of the top hits. And there were man, many more similar examples of pitshop satirical images that would come up in a google image search of Ophelia and the others.

Am I mistaken here, because the simplest explanation I can think for this is that google have decided to actively remove pitshops of SJWs from their image search category?

I can answer this. No. Google has nothing to remove images from google search. The Fascist Tit did. Log out and then try to view the images on the pit. Can't see them directly anymore? That is correct. And google sees what a user that is not logged in sees, which is no image.

That is why images are being dropped from google.

-Soylent f98

Fascist titty strikes again. Please give the Google bot your images. If that doesn't affect you financially, or otherwise.

[Service Dog]

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“Nugent seems to be more than a bit obsessed with Myers”

“The slymepit is obsessed with Carrier being poly and the fact that he cheated on his wife”

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[windy]

Lesbian porn star Lily Cade showed up at Lousy Canuck's place a couple of weeks ago to explain why she refused to shoot a scene with a trans woman who just happens to have a penis. Now Holms and julian are fighting it out over the implications and whether this amounts to transphobia or not.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... fecundity/
https://archive.is/MpaGd

Lousy @77:

I’m absolutely certain that there is the problem where a trans woman has a significantly reduced dating pool and thus can descend into despondency over just wanting someone to love them and finding very few people willing to do so. I don’t like the idea that the “cotton ceiling” is about trans women breaking through someone else’s underwear. I think that’s entirely a framing that was created by TERFs to damn the whole concept of trans women being considered non-viable partners; to recast it as a demand for compulsory sex (which is what reads like Timecube to me).

The TERF framing is conspiratorial and the term “cotton ceiling” is probably at this point so poisoned by that ideology that, now, the term can’t be used without hurting some trans folk — by reminding them that some people think their desire to be loved is akin to being a rapist.

It sucks that a useful term is so poisoned.

Oh, so now it's a problem if a person is simply looking for love and gets branded as a rapist as a result?

Thought experiment: what if Elevator "Guy" was actually a gender non-conforming trans woman looking to break through the cotton ceiling? :think:

[Brive1987]

Lesbian porn star Lily Cade showed up at Lousy Canuck's place a couple of weeks ago to explain why she refused to shoot a scene with a trans woman who just happens to have a penis. Now Holms and julian are fighting it out over the implications and whether this amounts to transphobia or not.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... fecundity/
https://archive.is/MpaGd

Posts there from the past 2-3 weeks from Francisco Bacopa, We Are Plethora, oolon, and HJ Hornbeck as well. Everybody seems kind of on edge with everybody else, or maybe I'm just reading that into it...

That thread is gold. Especially Holms being told @164 by a fellow SJ cowperson:

the entire point is you should walk into on coming traffic and fuck off into oblivion. Seriously why the fuck are trolls like you even here?

Trans is Kryptonite tO the SJW.

[Dave]

Wait!?! Rebecca Watson and @Nero share a birthday?

I hope Watson can enjoy her birthday despite it being on #WorldPatriarchyDay. :lol:

[Oglebart]

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Facilitated Communication.

It sounds like the ocean

The English Channel :rimshot:

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

FYI for anyone who wants to stalk/search for Spokesgay comments: he seems to have done a Cainaji and changed his name to Josh Spokes.

[Brive1987]

Lesbian porn star Lily Cade showed up at Lousy Canuck's place a couple of weeks ago to explain why she refused to shoot a scene with a trans woman who just happens to have a penis. Now Holms and julian are fighting it out over the implications and whether this amounts to transphobia or not.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... fecundity/
https://archive.is/MpaGd

Posts there from the past 2-3 weeks from Francisco Bacopa, We Are Plethora, oolon, and HJ Hornbeck as well. Everybody seems kind of on edge with everybody else, or maybe I'm just reading that into it...

That thread is gold. Especially Holms being told @164 by a fellow SJ cowperson:

the entire point is you should walk into on coming traffic and fuck off into oblivion. Seriously why the fuck are trolls like you even here?

Trans is Kryptonite tO the SJW.

[Brive1987]

That has to be the record for extended time between double posts.

[Billie from Ockham]

Thought experiment: what if Elevator "Guy" was actually a gender non-conforming trans woman looking to break through the cotton ceiling? :think:

Even more: what if Rebecca Watson was so drunk that she misheard the offer of "cotton" as "coffee"? In fact, I'm loving this theory so much that I will go on to suggest that it was Watson's TERFiness that caused this particular mis-perception ... it was a defensive reaction to avoid having to face that trans*men are some of the few people who find her attractive.

[Tigzy]

[snip]

"Ancestors" :whistle:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/f ... 632203.stm

Unicef estimates that human trafficking is more lucrative than any other trade in West Africa except guns and drugs.

The streets of Nigeria are teeming with trafficked children.

Of the hundreds of thousands of street kids living rough in Nigeria's oil rich cities, perhaps 40% have been bought and sold at some time.

The girls most frequently sold into domestic service, or prostitution, the boys into labour in plantations, or to hawk fruit and vegetables for 12-hours a day in an open air market.

Some work as washers of feet.

Unicef believe there are 15 million children working in exploitative labour in Nigeria.

It is a 21st century slave trade.

What is most striking is the tacit support that human trafficking enjoys at almost every level of society.

The Lagos middle class have a bountiful supply of house boys and house girls, brought from villages in the north by helpful aunts and uncles who pocket the cash and disappear.

Ah, but you're forgetting the magical get out of jail free card: colonialism. Yup - if whitey hadn't come along and raped the shit out of Africa, Africans wouldn't have learned how to be evil. In fact, African society would have been a peace-loving intersectional feminist utopia had it not been for the monstrous mansplainin honky horde. So all this nasty shit that goes on in Nigeria is still whitey's fault.

[Tigzy]

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Facilitated Communication.

That's not a voice sweetheart, it's an echo.

[Steersman]

That has to be the record for extended time between double posts.

:lol: Indeed. Was wondering how that could have happened - lost in the eddies of time? I've heard of keyboard-bounce but if that's the case then you must have a helluva big one - or you're just glad to see us? :-)

[Parody Accountant]

Thought experiment: what if Elevator "Guy" was actually a gender non-conforming trans woman looking to break through the cotton ceiling? :think:

Even more: what if Rebecca Watson was so drunk that she misheard the offer of "cotton" as "coffee"? In fact, I'm loving this theory so much that I will go on to suggest that it was Watson's TERFiness that caused this particular mis-perception ... it was a defensive reaction to avoid having to face that trans*men are some of the few people who find her attractive.

If you do a vinn diagram it would be truer

[Billie from Ockham]

If you do a vinn diagram it would be truer

Is this what you're asking for?

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[Steersman]

Lesbian porn star Lily Cade showed up at Lousy Canuck's place a couple of weeks ago to explain why she refused to shoot a scene with a trans woman who just happens to have a penis. Now Holms and julian are fighting it out over the implications and whether this amounts to transphobia or not.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... fecundity/
https://archive.is/MpaGd

Lousy @77:

I’m absolutely certain that there is the problem where a trans woman has a significantly reduced dating pool and thus can descend into despondency over just wanting someone to love them and finding very few people willing to do so. ....

Oh, so now it's a problem if a person is simply looking for love and gets branded as a rapist as a result?

Thought experiment: what if Elevator "Guy" was actually a gender non-conforming trans woman looking to break through the cotton ceiling? :think:

Love to see how in-group morality and out-group hostility leads to people painting themselves into corners.

In any case, Jason, and many of his fellow travelers, sure seem to have some difficulty with consistency. And with dictionaries. You might note Jason’s response to me on the topic (#13):

Steersman/Steppenwolf (#12): …. In any case, it seems that both have more or less gone off the rails over the question as to whether, in particular, “woman” is a gender – as emphasized by the title of your post – or whether it is “merely” a sex.

And from where I’m sitting, the only reasonable way off the horns of that particular dilemma is to fall back on the biological definitions for “woman” and “female” as stated in corresponding Wikipedia articles:

A woman is a female human. The term woman is usually reserved for an adult, with the term girl being the usual term for a female child or adolescent. ….

Female (♀) is the sex of an organism, or a part of an organism, that produces non-mobile ova (egg cells). Most female mammals, including female humans, have two X chromosomes. ….

Anything else leads to people riding madly off in all directions – which seems as good a description as any of the last few months debate on this question.

Jason Thibeault (#13): Considering that dictionaries are catalogues of how people use words, rather than the final word on what those words mean, and considering further that the meaning of the word “woman” is in question by no less an authority than Ophelia Benson herself, the dictionary argument holds zero sway here.

While we can, of course, define words to mean anything we want them to – just pay them extra – it sure seems to me that questions of utility and consistency have some justifiable restrictions or limitations on going hog-wild in that department. Really like Freja's last comment which, I think, illustrates the point:

freja says
October 18, 2015 at 10:44 am CDT
Wow! People are still going on about how not being able to see genitals means anatomical differences are irrelevant?
Julian, when are people’s gender identity ever visible? Can you see people’s gender? If not, and if anatomy is irrelevant to sexuality, how does terms like hetero and homosexuality even make sense? If you can’t see who is a man and who is a woman, how can you tell if you’re only romantically interested in one or the other?

Curious that no few in that benighted neck of the woods insist that "woman" is whatever they happen to be feeling at the time, and none, so far, have had the guts or the balls or the hair - as the case may be - to actually provide anything in the way of a specific definition. No takers, so far, for what I've suggested a couple of times, most recently on Ashley Miller's blog (say what you will about her, but she at least has some commitment to the concept of free speech and open inquiry); to wit:

wom•an (wo͝om′ən)
n. pl. wom•en (wĭm′ĭn)
1. A person who is weak in math, has an inordinate fondness for shoes, and turns on the waterworks at the drop of a hat (preferably with lace & feathers and a fetching yellow ribbon) ….

[DaveDodo007]

Lesbian porn star Lily Cade showed up at Lousy Canuck's place a couple of weeks ago to explain why she refused to shoot a scene with a trans woman who just happens to have a penis. Now Holms and julian are fighting it out over the implications and whether this amounts to transphobia or not.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... fecundity/
https://archive.is/MpaGd

Posts there from the past 2-3 weeks from Francisco Bacopa, We Are Plethora, oolon, and HJ Hornbeck as well. Everybody seems kind of on edge with everybody else, or maybe I'm just reading that into it...

That thread is gold. Especially Holms being told @164 by a fellow SJ cowperson:

the entire point is you should walk into on coming traffic and fuck off into oblivion. Seriously why the fuck are trolls like you even here?

Trans is Kryptonite tO the SJW.

No means no unless you say it to a transwomen with a dick. :lol:

[Parody Accountant]

If you do a vinn diagram it would be truer

Is this what you're asking for?

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Pitch black?

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[CommanderTuvok]

So Twitter is without a Spokesgay now.

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Looks like he and Ophelia will have stories to share.

The fracturing continues. Awesome.

Spokesgay's been banned from twitter?? Splendid. I do hope he complains about his freeze peaches being compromised.

Anyone know why, btw? I suspect he was block-brigaded by the trannish inquisition, which led to an autoban - can't be sure though. In any case, if anyone does know, be sure to let me know, because I loathe the chubby fuckin hornet-gobbed greasy little turd and my gloating feels a bit hollow without knowing why he's been so inconvenienced.

The one problem about being a SKEPTIC is I don't believe in things like karma - because if that faeces-eating cunt-twat Spokesgay has been banned from Twitter, it feels really like karma! We can use the extremists trans activists and the paedophile-defenders as ammunition in divide and conquer missions against the FTBullies and Baboons. I'm going to keep using the transphobe ammo to destroy Ophelia Benson. She has not been punished enough, as far as I am concerned. I want her broken, and then grovelling apologies.

[Suet Cardigan]

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That's not a voice sweetheart, it's an echo.

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[Tigzy]

I'm going to keep using the transphobe ammo to destroy Ophelia Benson. She has not been punished enough, as far as I am concerned. I want her broken, and then grovelling apologies.

This, uh...this isn't some BDSM thing, is it Tuvok? Cos, you know, I'd kinda like to keep my stomach.

[x_?_x]

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Facilitated Communication.

Yeah, it SOUNDS like she needs a doctor...

[Steersman]

I'm going to keep using the transphobe ammo to destroy Ophelia Benson. She has not been punished enough, as far as I am concerned. I want her broken, and then grovelling apologies.

This, uh...this isn't some BDSM thing, is it Tuvok? Cos, you know, I'd kinda like to keep my stomach.

Indeed. Speaking of stalkerish and obsessiveness, if not pathological ....

[Matt Cavanaugh]

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[Steersman]

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:lol: Her answering cervix?

[free thoughtpolice]

Tigzy wrote:

Ah, but you're forgetting the magical get out of jail free card: colonialism. Yup - if whitey hadn't come along and raped the shit out of Africa, Africans wouldn't have learned how to be evil. In fact, African society would have been a peace-loving intersectional feminist utopia had it not been for the monstrous mansplainin honky horde. So all this nasty shit that goes on in Nigeria is still whitey's fault.

Well you pretty much nailed it. Oh, and when Africans had slaves it wasn't the same thing. It was OK and they were never exploited or mistreated :roll: :

Yemisi Ilesanmi says

October 18, 2015 at 11:38 pm

Abear- No, Nigerians did not own slaves before the Europeans arrived because there was no Nigeria before the Europeans invaded and colonised what was known as the Niger area and forcefully merged the diverse, very different and largest black communities into what Lord Lugard’s mistress, Flora Shaw, named Nigeria.

All societies practised a form of slavery or the other, Africa was not an exception. The attempt by white people to hold this up against Africa, as a form of excusing away or mitigating the horrors of the Transatlantic Slave trade is appalling, and a poor attempt at clutching at straws.

It is very ignorant to compare the various systems of servitude in parts of Africa to transatlantic slave trade. What would come close to this would be indentured servitude. Africa has never been a monogamous society. With many different tribes and communities came inter-tribal wars and with it prisoners of wars. Unlike the practice by most Europeans then, most African communities did not butcher war captives on battlegrounds, they were taken to serve as servants of the victorious tribal communities.

There were also debt slaves and people who were made slaves because they committed crimes in the community. Those slaves had some rights and they were treated as people. In the kinship structure, the slaves were treated as part of the family, could marry, raise their own children, gain status, and even become chiefs. Slaves were hardly slave for life; they could gain their freedom and settle as equals in the community.
While no form of slavery is justifiable, it is very lazy to compare the types of servitude practised by Africans to the transatlantic slave trade.

As for the tired rhetoric that Africans sold fellow Africans to Europeans, I would suggest you read this very illuminating and brilliant piece- NEXT TIME SOMEONE SAYS, “BUT AFRICANS SOLD THEMSELVES INTO SLAVERY!”, SEND THIS ARTICLE TO THEM.

[free thoughtpolice]

And a working link to the one in Yemmi's article:
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[free thoughtpolice]

http://www.uhurusolidarity.org/2014/09/ ... s-article/

[Service Dog]

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Shane Black! Nobody remembers that character. I would tell his 'wife's vagina' jokes when I worked for the trucking company & nobody noticed I was doing a character. Later, I told the same jokes, about my own butthole.

[Tigzy]

@free thoughtpolice

Well, you did suggest to Yemmy that her ancestors could have been slave drivers (sorry, make that 'tender, responsible guardians of indentured servants', because slavery was unknown to Africans at the time. But indentured servitude wasn't. Apparently. :?) which is probably why she got such a shit-on about it. :lol:

But yeah: all whitey's fault. About as drearily predictable as Yemmy's rhyming ability.

[JackSkeptic]

Why can't they just say 'Yes there was black on black slavery and has been for millennia' and be done with it. It does not mitigate any other slavery one bit. It also makes them sound like bible apologists who claim the slavery in the bible is not slavery at all. Why the addiction to generating white guilt? It's silly and trivialises slavery.

In the UK there was no slavery law until a few years ago. It was brought in to deal with Arabic slavery from visitors to this country.

I'm also currently playing as Kongo in EU4 (a world history game) and a ton of countries sold slaves. It was culturally acceptable in some places and in others it would have been done to protect their own society from it. In others it was pure greed. It is a complex issue not to be treated as a political weapon by regressives.

[Billie from Ockham]

I love the idea that Africans (before Europeans arrived) never slaughtered their enemies, but merely took them home as "servants."

[Skep tickle]

NYTimes, 2 days ago: Egg Donors Challenge Pay Rates, Saying They Shortchange Women

In a federal lawsuit, a group of women are challenging industry guidelines that say it is “inappropriate” to pay a woman more than $10,000 for her eggs. The women say the $10,000 limit amounts to illegal price-fixing, and point out that there is no price restriction on the sale of human sperm. A federal judge has certified the claim as a class action, which will most likely go to trial next year.

The people arguing over at Lousy Canuck's may be missing an opportunity here - they could make their case to the NY Times Editorial Board and everyone involved in this lawsuit that the use of the gendered term "woman" is inappropriate here; that it would be more appropriate & inclusive to use "people with ovaries" or, even more accurately, "people who make viable eggs". Maybe Lousy et al could, like, file an amicus curiae brief.

The {American Society for Reproductive Medicine} argues that capping the price ensures that low-income young women are not drawn to donate by a huge payout without considering how it may affect their lives.

Patriarchal oppression. Or anti-libertarianism. Or both? :think:

[Tigzy]

Why can't they just say 'Yes there was black on black slavery and has been for millennia' and be done with it. It does not mitigate any other slavery one bit. It also makes them sound like bible apologists who claim the slavery in the bible is not slavery at all. Why the addiction to generating white guilt? It's silly and trivialises slavery.

I'd quite like to see a movement of non-muslims guilt-tripping muslims over slavery, in the hope of getting some free curries from the shame-faced proprietor of my local Indian restaurant (note: most Indian restaurants in the UK aren't actually run by Indians, but by Pakistanis or Bengalis. And very few of them have pork on the menu). Then again, my local purveyor of fine Indian cuisine has had strippers and drag queens performing in his establishment, so I fear he would not be easily moved by appeals to his Islamic honour.

[Parody Accountant]

If we evolved from African Americans, why does Africa still exist?

[Tigzy]

Gah! Make that 'Bangladeshis', not 'Bengalis'.

[Parody Accountant]

The first president of the United States was a black man. The one before George Washington.

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[KiwiInOz]

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Facilitated Communication.

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:lol: Her answering cervix?

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That humour upgrade was worth every cent.

[Suet Cardigan]

Why can't they just say 'Yes there was black on black slavery and has been for millennia' and be done with it. It does not mitigate any other slavery one bit. It also makes them sound like bible apologists who claim the slavery in the bible is not slavery at all. Why the addiction to generating white guilt? It's silly and trivialises slavery.

In the UK there was no slavery law until a few years ago. It was brought in to deal with Arabic slavery from visitors to this country.

I'm also currently playing as Kongo in EU4 (a world history game) and a ton of countries sold slaves. It was culturally acceptable in some places and in others it would have been done to protect their own society from it. In others it was pure greed. It is a complex issue not to be treated as a political weapon by regressives.

Interesting article about the way slavery was treated in US textbooks in the 90s:

http://www.textbookleague.org/35slave.htm

[Brive1987]

I find it very hard to keep a a straight face when reading the trans stuff.

Take this comment on OB's

I don’t see the “massive mistake” of talking about abortion rights in terms of “people who may become pregnant”. If my son experienced an unwanted pregnancy in his teenage years, I would certainly hope pro-choice activists would be every bit as passionate in advocating for his access to abortion services as they would for a girl in the same circumstances. Should my son choose to take up arms in the battle for his right to decide how his uterus will and will not be used, I don’t see the “massive mistake” of establishing the movement in a way that makes him every bit as welcome to fight for his rights as women doing the same. - See more at: http://www.butterfliesandwheels.org/201 ... nt-2604838

:?

[Steersman]

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Facilitated Communication.

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:lol: Her answering cervix?

:clap: :clap: .... :clap:

That humour upgrade was worth every cent.

:lol: Thanks. Though I can't really take much credit as it is from a really old cartoon that I saw literally decades ago in Playboy magazine. It showed a couple who had been out on a date and, at the woman's apartment door, the guy asks if he can come in - for a coffee, no doubt. But the next panel showed a conversation bubble coming from the woman's groin with the word "no" inside it, followed by the woman saying :rimshot: "my answering cervix". An oldie but, I think, a goldie .... :-)

[Service Dog]

The first president of the United States was a black man. The one before George Washington.

http://dickgregory.com/latest-news/blog ... ohn-hanson

http://media.giphy.com/media/tkQ8MFJYh0hyM/giphy.gif

[Really?]

NYTimes, 2 days ago: Egg Donors Challenge Pay Rates, Saying They Shortchange Women

In a federal lawsuit, a group of women are challenging industry guidelines that say it is “inappropriate” to pay a woman more than $10,000 for her eggs. The women say the $10,000 limit amounts to illegal price-fixing, and point out that there is no price restriction on the sale of human sperm. A federal judge has certified the claim as a class action, which will most likely go to trial next year.

The people arguing over at Lousy Canuck's may be missing an opportunity here - they could make their case to the NY Times Editorial Board and everyone involved in this lawsuit that the use of the gendered term "woman" is inappropriate here; that it would be more appropriate & inclusive to use "people with ovaries" or, even more accurately, "people who make viable eggs". Maybe Lousy et al could, like, file an amicus curiae brief.

The {American Society for Reproductive Medicine} argues that capping the price ensures that low-income young women are not drawn to donate by a huge payout without considering how it may affect their lives.

Patriarchal oppression. Or anti-libertarianism. Or both? :think:

Thank you for pointing out an overlooked and particularly sexist form of transmisogyny. It's 2015 and not one single transwoman has been paid for a donation of eggs. What's the number for the EEOC?

[Really?]

I find it very hard to keep a a straight face when reading the trans stuff.

Take this comment on OB's

I don’t see the “massive mistake” of talking about abortion rights in terms of “people who may become pregnant”. If my son experienced an unwanted pregnancy in his teenage years, I would certainly hope pro-choice activists would be every bit as passionate in advocating for his access to abortion services as they would for a girl in the same circumstances. Should my son choose to take up arms in the battle for his right to decide how his uterus will and will not be used, I don’t see the “massive mistake” of establishing the movement in a way that makes him every bit as welcome to fight for his rights as women doing the same. - See more at: http://www.butterfliesandwheels.org/201 ... nt-2604838

:?

That whole fucking thread is hilarious. Francisco Bascopa is just trying to point out that lesbians shouldn't be forced to suck dicks or have PIV sex. And everyone else is calling him a transmisogynist.

And then the accused rapist who runs the blog put Bascopa into moderation for "repeated transmisogyny and transantagonism."

It's pretty clear that Thibeault's not getting it regular. No one who gets it regular wastes their time with this bullshit.

[Brive1987]

This is pretty old so Im probably ninj'ed - but wtf?

Also I assume you aren't doxing if there aren't any actual dox in play.

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[CuntajusRationality]

New joint statement from 2 anonymous and alleged victims of Oxford student "activist" Annie Teriba, who accused herself of having "non-consentual sex" about a week ago.

A few snippets:

This is a joint statement from two individuals (who wish to remain anonymous) about the Oxford-based activist and student Annie Teriba. We have co-written this statement because both of us have experienced sexual violence from her.

Annie has been incredibly narcissistic, obstructive and harmful throughout the process of confronting her and holding her accountable for her actions. She has constantly attempted to centre everything on herself rather than consider the survivors and how she is impacting on them.

However, let’s be clear: Annie Teriba is a rapist. After having experienced flashbacks and connecting to their conscious memory, the survivor was able to piece together the events in a more coherent manner, and would like it to be known that Annie Teriba committed two counts of rape in the most recent incident her statement refers to.

http://www.bellanaija.com/2015/10/18/ox ... encounter/
https://archive.is/0bVjP

[Steersman]

Milo's specialty is to troll with actual facts.

You may well be right as I haven't followed him enough to have an understanding of his outlook and values.

But I did have a brief exchange with him and a bunch of his followers on Twitter, and the latter at least seem to have a poor understanding of the population distributions that Milo was using in that post, or they have a tendency to put their thumbs on the scales to the disadvantage of women in general; to read the graphs in the most uncharitable or unfair ways possible:
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Not that it's particularly easy to develop or convey much in the way of nuance or depth in 140 characters.

What do IQ tests measure, exactly? Even when you grant everything and you go with a [Steersman] version of Milo's presentation, it still only measures IQs of men and women at present. This small, seemingly unimportant detail is however the generator of different interpretations.

Yes, I quite agree that it’s decidedly moot as to exactly what IQ tests really measure. And I’ll readily agree with you that different “sides” are pointing out or emphasizing aspects that are most supportive or flattering to their own sexes, their own tribes – so to speak. However, while I think you make a fair number of reasonable and/or interesting points, I kind of think you’ve gone off on a bit of a tangent, and are misinterpreting or misunderstanding the statistics, my arguments, and those of Milo and no few of his followers. Although I’ll concede at least the possibility that I’m misunderstanding some aspects of your argument. But consider:

One side argues “it's biology, bitchez” the other side points out that men occupied intellectually demanding roles for centuries, and women did not. You say this is unimportant, since this isn't the case anymore for “a long time” and delevoping IQ in a population is practically instantaneous (i.e. takes immediate effect someone is raised in an egalitarian culture).

Apart from wondering exactly where I said anything of the sort, I think that is some evidence that you’re misinterpreting the statistics or are making more out of relatively slight differences than is justified. Consider this graph for children between the ages of 6 and 16.5 which comes from a source that Milo linked to and utilized:

http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/Images/ ... 20WISC.jpg

For starters, you might note that there is very little difference between the curves for males and females with a slight favouring of females in the average IQ range, and a slight favouring of males in the high IQ range. Which suggests that the selection process is not particularly biased, and that “we” generally start out on equal footings – “intellectually demanding roles for centuries” notwithstanding.

Secondly, while I’m no pro-from-Dover on statistics (Billie from Ockham may be your man/woman/trans for that), you might take a close look at the Wikipedia article on the probability density function – the graph above being a specific case of that – which “describes the relative likelihood [probability] for [a] random variable to take on a given value”. And while “probability” can be a somewhat slippery concept, one which I at least don’t have a really good handle on, that graph of Milo’s can be, more or less, interpreted as giving the percentage of people from each sex [vertical axis] which have a given IQ [horizontal axis]. In which case, I think it is fair to say, to a first approximation [the vertical axis probably requires some scaling to be accurate] and relative to that graph of Milo’s, that, for example, some 3% of the female population have an IQ of 100 whereas only 2.5% of the male population have that IQ.

Thirdly, while comparing the numbers of individuals at any given IQ is fairly straightforward, it becomes a little trickier to compare the population sizes between any two markers, between any two IQs since, as per the Wikipedia article, that requires an integration, a calculation of the area under the respective curves. However, that bottom scale [“Cumulative %”] gives a rough measure [it’s not broken out into the different sexes] of the total area under the average curve between the left scale and any given IQ. For instance, 84% of the population [males and females] has an IQ of 115 or less, and 97.7% of the population has an IQ of 130 or less.

But those numbers allow us to say that, to a first approximation, some 13% of the population have IQs between 115 and 130 – with there being a slight difference between males and females, maybe 14% versus 12%. However, that still means that some 12% of the females have higher IQs than some 84% of the male population; and that a female at an IQ of 130 is “smarter” than a male at 115 – and probably smarter than some twelve-thirteenths of that particular cohort.

Why I kind of object to, or get exasperated with many people’s interpretations and uses of those types of statistics: there’s hardly anything there for anyone to write home about in the first place, or to get their knickers in a twist over. Unless, of course, they don’t understand the statistics or have an axe to grind.

The careful take away should be — IQ curves and all granted — that at present, men perform better. ….

Certainly agree that we should be looking at “careful take-aways”. But I think that that is kind of a case in point as I think it is untenable to argue that “men perform better” as it is, at best, misleading.

Consider the following graph, from the same source, which shows the same general type of distribution but for the adult population. Although I should note that the two curves are more or less symmetrical and don’t show the increases and decreases, the asymmetries, in the tails that various other graphs do, for instance, this one from an article in Psychology Today (which, I might note, uses statistics from a 1932 study in Scotland). And I should also note, as you did as well, that the (still relatively slight) differences in the curves could have many causes – some genetic, and some cultural, although it is, of course, of some interest and value to know which are which. In any case, note the point at which the two curves intersect – at the 50% “Cumulative %”:

http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/Images/ ... Cutoff.jpg

And it seems to me that, as a best guestimate and since the average (the mean) for males is to the right of the curve for females, the area under the male curve to the right of that intersection is maybe 52% of the total, whereas the area under the female curve to the left of that intersection is also 52% (assuming symmetrical curves which is generally the case – to a first approximation). Which then allows us to say (music, maestro, please) that some 52% of males are “smarter” than some 52% of females. But, something that Milo and company seemed notably reluctant to consider, that also means that some 48% of the females are “smarter” than some 48% of the males. And that is, as you suggested, even apart from considerations of genetic or cultural or test designs that might skew or bias the results, rather slightly, more in one direction than the other.

Again, nothing to write home about – unless one has an axe to grind. But certainly nothing that justifies saying that “men perform better [than women]”. Q.E.D. :-)

[free thoughtpolice]

They work as a team! :moon: :moon:
I got the impression that the tibblededoos were aided in their escape from the hellhole called Canada by the Zvans.
And they fit right in to the Minnesota Nice society that is exemplified by Zvans, PZ, Laden, Melby...

[Really?]

New joint statement from 2 anonymous and alleged victims of Oxford student "activist" Annie Teriba, who accused herself of having "non-consentual sex" about a week ago.

A few snippets:

This is a joint statement from two individuals (who wish to remain anonymous) about the Oxford-based activist and student Annie Teriba. We have co-written this statement because both of us have experienced sexual violence from her.

Annie has been incredibly narcissistic, obstructive and harmful throughout the process of confronting her and holding her accountable for her actions. She has constantly attempted to centre everything on herself rather than consider the survivors and how she is impacting on them.

However, let’s be clear: Annie Teriba is a rapist. After having experienced flashbacks and connecting to their conscious memory, the survivor was able to piece together the events in a more coherent manner, and would like it to be known that Annie Teriba committed two counts of rape in the most recent incident her statement refers to.

http://www.bellanaija.com/2015/10/18/ox ... encounter/
https://archive.is/0bVjP

I repeat my concerns from the first time this story emerged on the Pit.

1) Why hasn't this confessed rapist been expelled from Oxford on the basis of the rules she has fought to instill at the institution pending a kangaroo court investigation that will expel her anyway?

2) Why hasn't she been at least arrested on charges of rape? She admitted to non-consensual sex. Put her in front of a jury of her peers, which means 12 SJWs. :cdc:

If Teriba points out that the "reconstructed memories" and "vague as hell accusations" are bullshit, why, she's a rape apologist.

Your play, confessed non-consensual sex rapist!

[free thoughtpolice]

Really? You want a female criminal treated equally to a male?
You toxic MRA bastard :character-ariel:

[Really?]

Really? You want a female criminal treated equally to a male?
You toxic MRA bastard :character-ariel:

You are right. Perhaps we should ask Teriba how she identifies now that she admits to being a rapist by her own Thibeault definition.

:techie-ebay: :sci-fi-beamup:

[Guest_84d94f98]

New joint statement from 2 anonymous and alleged victims of Oxford student "activist" Annie Teriba, who accused herself of having "non-consentual sex" about a week ago.

A few snippets:

This is a joint statement from two individuals (who wish to remain anonymous) about the Oxford-based activist and student Annie Teriba. We have co-written this statement because both of us have experienced sexual violence from her.

Annie has been incredibly narcissistic, obstructive and harmful throughout the process of confronting her and holding her accountable for her actions. She has constantly attempted to centre everything on herself rather than consider the survivors and how she is impacting on them.

However, let’s be clear: Annie Teriba is a rapist. After having experienced flashbacks and connecting to their conscious memory, the survivor was able to piece together the events in a more coherent manner, and would like it to be known that Annie Teriba committed two counts of rape in the most recent incident her statement refers to.

bellanaija.com/2015/10/18/oxford-uni-annie-teribas-accusers-reveal-details-of-non-consensual-sexual-encounter/
archive.is/0bVjP

If any of this was real, why on earth has neither of the people involved reported this to the police? Or do the accusations not fit the legal definition? It appears that the perpetrator has made a public confession. That should be sufficient for the coppers.

[free thoughtpolice]

:drool:

[Really?]

New joint statement from 2 anonymous and alleged victims of Oxford student "activist" Annie Teriba, who accused herself of having "non-consentual sex" about a week ago.

A few snippets:

This is a joint statement from two individuals (who wish to remain anonymous) about the Oxford-based activist and student Annie Teriba. We have co-written this statement because both of us have experienced sexual violence from her.

Annie has been incredibly narcissistic, obstructive and harmful throughout the process of confronting her and holding her accountable for her actions. She has constantly attempted to centre everything on herself rather than consider the survivors and how she is impacting on them.

However, let’s be clear: Annie Teriba is a rapist. After having experienced flashbacks and connecting to their conscious memory, the survivor was able to piece together the events in a more coherent manner, and would like it to be known that Annie Teriba committed two counts of rape in the most recent incident her statement refers to.

bellanaija.com/2015/10/18/oxford-uni-annie-teribas-accusers-reveal-details-of-non-consensual-sexual-encounter/
archive.is/0bVjP

If any of this was real, why on earth has neither of the people involved reported this to the police? Or do the accusations not fit the legal definition? It appears that the perpetrator has made a public confession. That should be sufficient for the coppers.

You don't seem to understand. The confessed rapist is a WoC feminist SJW who has spent time complaining about statues of racist white men when she wasn't raping multiple people by her own admission.

Like Hitler, she did nothing wrong.

[Really?]

If any of this was real, why on earth has neither of the people involved reported this to the police? Or do the accusations not fit the legal definition? It appears that the perpetrator has made a public confession. That should be sufficient for the coppers.

Sorry, guest. I'm in a pissy mood, so I'll answer again. These morons didn't report their rapes to the police because they wouldn't be believed. Or because they washed the clothes they wore during the rape three years ago. Or because they didn't realize they were raped until taking a couple of women's studies classes and happening to discuss their mutual experiences.

These morons didn't report their rapes to the police because they expect the SJW criminal justice system of disapproving blog posts to do the exact same job of the real criminal justice system. If only there were a Tumblr account whose administrator had the authority to put people in jail after someone makes an accusation. If the accused is innocent, then they'll stop denying that they raped the women in question.

[Skep tickle]

NYTimes, 2 days ago: Egg Donors Challenge Pay Rates, Saying They Shortchange Women

In a federal lawsuit, a group of women are challenging industry guidelines that say it is “inappropriate” to pay a woman more than $10,000 for her eggs. The women say the $10,000 limit amounts to illegal price-fixing, and point out that there is no price restriction on the sale of human sperm. A federal judge has certified the claim as a class action, which will most likely go to trial next year.

The people arguing over at Lousy Canuck's may be missing an opportunity here - they could make their case to the NY Times Editorial Board and everyone involved in this lawsuit that the use of the gendered term "woman" is inappropriate here; that it would be more appropriate & inclusive to use "people with ovaries" or, even more accurately, "people who make viable eggs". Maybe Lousy et al could, like, file an amicus curiae brief.

The {American Society for Reproductive Medicine} argues that capping the price ensures that low-income young women are not drawn to donate by a huge payout without considering how it may affect their lives.

Patriarchal oppression. Or anti-libertarianism. Or both? :think:

Thank you for pointing out an overlooked and particularly sexist form of transmisogyny. It's 2015 and not one single transwoman has been paid for a donation of eggs. What's the number for the EEOC?

It's absolutely true that not everyone who can, might, and (presumably) does donate eggs identifies as a woman. However, as with the pregnancy terminology, it seems like a such a small group that rounding to "women" is not unreasonable. Terms like "people with ovaries" are so clunky and (currently) seem so unnatural and applicable to so few people; is sticking with the tried-and-true wording illogical and blindly devotional to tradition?

There are analogies from the past in which an original and long-held view now seems hopelessly outdated. "The Grey Lady" (NYT) was one of the last to adopt "Ms.", long after they came across as clueless in referring to women by their marital status. It seems too early to say whether & how modernization will play out for sex-and-gender terminology, in widespread use in the years & decades to come.

I do look forward to the time when people are more often referred to as "people" rather than "women" or "men", which would IMO be consistent with a view of equality between the sexes/genders/people-of-various-differences.

I think the observations that "Lauren" below offers are mostly very reasonable & useful, except it would be hard for fertility clinics to divorce "we're going to give you, as an egg donor, hormones to stimulate your ovaries then harvest your eggs" from pretty much assuming egg donors are female. (They should definitely not be assuming donors are straight, if for no other reason than that they already work with lesbian clients who would like to conceive.)

INTERVIEW: “I’m a Queer Egg Donor” at the WE ARE EGG DONORS blog

WE ARE EGG DONORS: What were some things in the egg donation industry that can be improved?

LAUREN: Many things! With the caveat that I don’t speak for all LGBTQ egg donors and that we all have different experiences donating, I do have suggestions.

First, no agency should reject a candidate based on their sexuality, gender identity, and/or trans status. There is nothing wrong with being LGBTQ–the idea that it makes a donor “undesirable” is homophobic and transphobic.

It’s important to consider that LGBTQ people, especially trans people, are statistically more likely to be unemployed, in poverty, and without health insurance. As we all know, donors receive thousands of dollars–donating is one way LGBTQ people can use the resources they have to access both medical care and critical funds to support themselves. LGBTQ donors deserve the same opportunities to be matched as straight and cisgender donors.

With that said, language on clinic websites, ads, brochures, and paperwork should reflect that not all donors identify as straight and not all donors identify as women.

Trans people who were assigned female at birth, which can include genderqueer people, gender non-conforming people, and trans men, can be egg donors as well. Yet clinics operate under the assumption that only cisgender women donate eggs, which removes trans people from the conversation. Clinics need to remember that not everyone with ovaries identifies as a woman, and they should incorporate operational and communications strategies to make these individuals feel more comfortable donating.

Finally, doctors and nurses need to learn how to treat their queer and trans donors. Historically, medical professionals have contributed to the stigmatization of queer and trans people by neglecting their health concerns and pathologizing their identities. LGBTQ patients frequently have to educate their physicians, who may not know how to talk about or treat their health issues respectfully. Consequently, LGBTQ people are more likely to distrust doctors.

Doctors and nurses at clinics that provide egg donation are no exception. Personally, I felt intimidated by my doctors, who did not understand why I asked so many questions about the testing, the ultrasounds, and the extraction. I was trying to find out more information about what they were doing to my body, but they treated me like I was a nuisance. Doctors need to prioritize consent and transparency when discussing medical procedures with clients, so that egg donors completely understand what’s happening in their bodies.

[Søren Lilholt]

Tigzy wrote:

Ah, but you're forgetting the magical get out of jail free card: colonialism. Yup - if whitey hadn't come along and raped the shit out of Africa, Africans wouldn't have learned how to be evil. In fact, African society would have been a peace-loving intersectional feminist utopia had it not been for the monstrous mansplainin honky horde. So all this nasty shit that goes on in Nigeria is still whitey's fault.

Well you pretty much nailed it. Oh, and when Africans had slaves it wasn't the same thing. It was OK and they were never exploited or mistreated :roll: :

Yemisi Ilesanmi says

October 18, 2015 at 11:38 pm

Abear- No, Nigerians did not own slaves before the Europeans arrived because there was no Nigeria before the Europeans invaded and colonised what was known as the Niger area and forcefully merged the diverse, very different and largest black communities into what Lord Lugard’s mistress, Flora Shaw, named Nigeria.

All societies practised a form of slavery or the other, Africa was not an exception. The attempt by white people to hold this up against Africa, as a form of excusing away or mitigating the horrors of the Transatlantic Slave trade is appalling, and a poor attempt at clutching at straws.

It is very ignorant to compare the various systems of servitude in parts of Africa to transatlantic slave trade. What would come close to this would be indentured servitude. Africa has never been a monogamous society. With many different tribes and communities came inter-tribal wars and with it prisoners of wars. Unlike the practice by most Europeans then, most African communities did not butcher war captives on battlegrounds, they were taken to serve as servants of the victorious tribal communities.

There were also debt slaves and people who were made slaves because they committed crimes in the community. Those slaves had some rights and they were treated as people. In the kinship structure, the slaves were treated as part of the family, could marry, raise their own children, gain status, and even become chiefs. Slaves were hardly slave for life; they could gain their freedom and settle as equals in the community.
While no form of slavery is justifiable, it is very lazy to compare the types of servitude practised by Africans to the transatlantic slave trade.

As for the tired rhetoric that Africans sold fellow Africans to Europeans, I would suggest you read this very illuminating and brilliant piece- NEXT TIME SOMEONE SAYS, “BUT AFRICANS SOLD THEMSELVES INTO SLAVERY!”, SEND THIS ARTICLE TO THEM.

In other words, slavery's OK when black people do it.

In one fell swoop Yemmy has outed herself a slavery apologist, a racist, and a retard.

Good work, Yemmy!

[Brive1987]

Thought I'd give Lousy:

http://i.imgur.com/3R3qkFo.jpg


A helping hand:

http://i.imgur.com/Y0BmMjp.jpg