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Pitchguest wrote: I don't know, Godfrey. I don't think you're using the right pronouns. "Xis" or "xer", please.
LMAO. I refuse to believe this guy is anything but a piss take at this point. First the "coincidence" comments aimed at the Avicenna plagiarism thing, and now this?

Also Nenya does not mean "child of abused lesbians". It means this:
The second ring, Nenya, was made of mithril and adorned with a "white stone", presumably a diamond.[2] The name is derived from the Quenya nén meaning water. It is also called Ring of Adamant, Ring of Water and the White Ring.

The ring was wielded by Galadriel of Lothlórien, and possessed a radiance that matched that of the stars; while Frodo Baggins could see it by virtue of being a Ring-bearer, Samwise Gamgee tells Galadriel he only "saw a star through your fingers". (This appears in many editions as "finger"—which sounds more magical, since it suggests that her finger has somehow become transparent—but The Treason of Isengard, ch. 13, note 34, mentions it as an error.)

Nenya's power gave preservation, protection, and possibly concealment from evil because "there is a secret power here that holds evil from the land". However, the fact that Orcs from Moria entered Lórien after The Fellowship of the Ring and Lórien itself had suffered previous attacks from Sauron's Orcs sent from Dol Guldur suggests the power of the ring did not constitute military prowess. It was said that, protected as it was by Nenya, Lothlórien would not have fallen unless Sauron had personally come to attack it. Galadriel used these powers to create and sustain Lothlórien, but it also increased in her the longing for the Sea and her desire to return to the Undying Lands.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Rings

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Really? wrote:
Suet Cardigan wrote:Kathleen Johnson's latest post at Patheos:
I've read every post and will continue to do so and I've been given a lot to think about. However, I simply am not going to go down a bottomless rabbit hole to argue or defend anything I said because there is enough of that going on already (i save that effort for religionists). Besides, I think that a few folks here are having more fun dressing up a straw man like me, putting words in it's mouth, and then working to score points off stuff I never actually said. There's no way the real me could top that. Anyway, this has been an interesting exercise.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wwjtd/2015 ... community/

If she doesn't want to discuss the issues then why did she write a blog post about them in the first place?
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JT Eberhard has completed purging all of my comments (and who knows which others). Made his comments safe for an AA Leader.
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Does he really believe that racist Southern Democrats stayed within the Democratic Party after the initial Civil Rights Acts but changed their position from being in favor of public and private racial discrimination to favoring a welfare dependency system that would keep blacks 'enslaved'?
I hear that all the time from right wingers. They also argue, out of the other side of their mouths, that Democrats have a super sekret plan to commit genocide on African Americans through 1) permitting black people to buy contraception 2) permitting black people to procure abortions

Now, would someone please explain to me WHY the democrats would 1) enslave blacks through welfare 2) give blacks welfare so that they will vote democrat , while simultaneously trying to kill all of them off?

I heard a great theory recently, from a fuckwit on Mother Jones magazine. His argument: abortion is against evolution. The earth needs genetic variability so that we can someday colonize Mars and mine asteroids. We need as many blacks born as possible in order to achieve this goal in 100,000 years. We will run out of resources from the huge population explosion, therefore, we need to create a population explosion so that we can mine asteroids and move to Mars once we have depleted the Earth's resources. Furthermore, we cannot do this unless African Americans have babies at 3x the rate of whites and latinos.

I asked him about Africa's blacks, who have no trouble breeding, and he said that doesn't count, that the earth *specifically* needs African Americans to outbreed everyone else in order for humans to colonize Mars etc....

Either a brilliant poe, or a complete fuckwit. Hard to say.


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Skep tickle wrote:http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/01/1 ... howing-you

"The Charlie Hebdo cartoons no one is showing you."
An interesting read, and quite a good set of cartoons. Although I question, maybe not surprisingly [ ;-) ], the one with the woman wearing a sealskin hand warmer. Not substantially different from, and arguably "less bad" than, the raising of veal. Or the 10 billion animals who are slaughtered every year in North America for food and, in consequence, clothing.

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JacquesCuze wrote:
Really? wrote: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wwjtd/2015 ... community/

If she doesn't want to discuss the issues then why did she write a blog post about them in the first place?
http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/ ... 02-475.jpg

JT Eberhard has completed purging all of my comments (and who knows which others). Made his comments safe for an AA Leader.
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And someone who served in the military. Did he think she would melt if someone hurt her fee-fees? She's a veteran!

JT Eberhard was being very disrespectful to her.

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Skep tickle wrote:FTBCon3 is on!

(I last checked on Friday Jan 9; Thibeault posted an announcement on Saturday Jan 10, & the websites were updated then)

https://ftbcon.wordpress.com/2015/01/10 ... ticipants/
FtBCon 3: Confirmed Participants

January 10, 2015 by lousycanuck Leave a comment

Here’s a preliminary list of confirmed participants for Freethought Blogs’ FtBConscience 3. .....
FtB Bloggers:

Alex Gabriel
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Stephanie Zvan

Invited Guests:

Adam Lee
Ben Blanchard
Caleb Harper
Cara Liebowitz
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Tristan
Wesley Ferenza

We hope to add more to our roster as panels are finalized in the run up to the convention. Hope to see you there!
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No session titles or topics yet listed AFAICT. However, it looks like there's no panel planned with Ms Benson, Ms Ilesanmi, and PZ Myers' top commenters sharing their views on race, Islam, and free speech.
Maybe "someone" should e-mail all of the "invited guests" - "bloggers" likely to be a lost cause - some links to all of Michael Nugent's posts on the topic .... :whistle:

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Look at that 'cannibal' at Atheism+. After initially having mixed reception... they welcomed a freaking cannibal into their safe space. SAFE SPACE. CANNIBAL. Yeah... It wasn't outed as a poe until several months later, IIRC.
I was a psychopath on Atheism+. Same username. But Atheism+ is far too easy a target.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Really? wrote: I know...I know...you're right. I'm taking some oxygen to calm down. (Or would CO2 be a better calmative? I don't know.)
I hear CO has a decided soporific effect. Might wanna give that a try.
Nah, real deep tranquility can only be achieved with CH2O. Give it a go (suppository only).

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Tribble wrote:
Cunt of Personality wrote:http://i.imgur.com/F0OBhlw.jpg
If his head isn't abnormally small, scaling from that means his arms are almost big as my waist -- as wide, but not quite the depth. And that's frightening.
Is... is he sitting on a training pad?

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Old_ones wrote:
Pitchguest wrote: I don't know, Godfrey. I don't think you're using the right pronouns. "Xis" or "xer", please.
LMAO. I refuse to believe this guy is anything but a piss take at this point. First the "coincidence" comments aimed at the Avicenna plagiarism thing, and now this?

Also Nenya does not mean "child of abused lesbians". It means this:
The second ring, Nenya, was made of mithril and adorned with a "white stone", presumably a diamond.[2] The name is derived from the Quenya nén meaning water. It is also called Ring of Adamant, Ring of Water and the White Ring.

The ring was wielded by Galadriel of Lothlórien, and possessed a radiance that matched that of the stars; while Frodo Baggins could see it by virtue of being a Ring-bearer, Samwise Gamgee tells Galadriel he only "saw a star through your fingers". (This appears in many editions as "finger"—which sounds more magical, since it suggests that her finger has somehow become transparent—but The Treason of Isengard, ch. 13, note 34, mentions it as an error.)

Nenya's power gave preservation, protection, and possibly concealment from evil because "there is a secret power here that holds evil from the land". However, the fact that Orcs from Moria entered Lórien after The Fellowship of the Ring and Lórien itself had suffered previous attacks from Sauron's Orcs sent from Dol Guldur suggests the power of the ring did not constitute military prowess. It was said that, protected as it was by Nenya, Lothlórien would not have fallen unless Sauron had personally come to attack it. Galadriel used these powers to create and sustain Lothlórien, but it also increased in her the longing for the Sea and her desire to return to the Undying Lands.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Rings
bhoytony, in another one of his lamenting posts of why he's still here, has already been over this.

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hi coyotenose! were you trolling at TFA earlier? You took a very anti-slymepit stance there...

Welcome aboard for whatever reason.

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Steersman wrote:Relative to my recent banning at Pharyngula ["what? again?"] - under the username "OaringAbout" - I see that PZ mentioned that the IP I had used was the same one as a previous one. So, I'm wondering what are the pros and cons of using, for example, various proxy servers; any recommendations, caveats?
From my perspective:

- It's unethical to use someone else's resources without their permission in order to force or trick them into listening to you without stronger justification (your ethical mileage may vary.)

- It opens you up to harassment charges, and it would be easier for someone to fabricate threatening posts and get the authorities to believe they came from you if you already have a history of ban evasion.

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Did you know that the MGTOW have a theme song?

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While it isn't a law it is pretty much practiced as much. Try walking in to any public place with your face covered.
My bank (actually a Credit Union) has signs up telling people not to wear baseball caps and other head coverings in the bank. It's to make video identification of people easier in case of a robbery.

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Parody Accountant wrote:hi coyotenose! were you trolling at TFA earlier? You took a very anti-slymepit stance there...

Welcome aboard for whatever reason.
>.>

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=429&p=250200#p250200

(It's probably obvious to some that I did a search for my own 'nym before composing that.)

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coyotenose wrote:
Steersman wrote:Relative to my recent banning at Pharyngula ["what? again?"] - under the username "OaringAbout" - I see that PZ mentioned that the IP I had used was the same one as a previous one. So, I'm wondering what are the pros and cons of using, for example, various proxy servers; any recommendations, caveats?
From my perspective:

- It's unethical to use someone else's resources without their permission in order to force or trick them into listening to you without stronger justification (your ethical mileage may vary.)

- It opens you up to harassment charges, and it would be easier for someone to fabricate threatening posts and get the authorities to believe they came from you if you already have a history of ban evasion.
If they are fabricating threatening posts in your name, it wouldn't matter if last year you posted from norway or spain under a different name that was never detected...

I also don't understand why you think this is a remotely likely strategy that PZ would use against Steersman... forging threats in a wordpress database (doubt he has the skill to modify the IP table or the comments tables, and as odious as he is, I highly doubt he would do this even if he could.) What the shit are you talking about.

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coyotenose wrote:
Parody Accountant wrote:hi coyotenose! were you trolling at TFA earlier? You took a very anti-slymepit stance there...

Welcome aboard for whatever reason.
>.>

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=429&p=250200#p250200

(It's probably obvious to some that I did a search for my own 'nym before composing that.)
Interesting. Thanks for linking me to that. I assume others have/will ask for the same clarification so keep it handy. Still a little murky on your intentions, but whatever. Welcome.

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coyotenose wrote:
Steersman wrote:Relative to my recent banning at Pharyngula ["what? again?"] - under the username "OaringAbout" - I see that PZ mentioned that the IP I had used was the same one as a previous one. So, I'm wondering what are the pros and cons of using, for example, various proxy servers; any recommendations, caveats?
From my perspective:

- It's unethical to use someone else's resources without their permission in order to force or trick them into listening to you without stronger justification (your ethical mileage may vary.)
Different model of vehicle; my mileage is actually quite a bit different. :-)

But more particularly, I figure PZ is peddling some rather egregious propaganda on his site, and largely refusing any dissenting voices to be heard there. And most if not quite all of his commentariat are too chicken-shit to actually step outside of his echo chamber. I figure he's using a public arena to advance his agenda, and that he should, by rights, be confronted there.
coyotenose wrote:- It opens you up to harassment charges, and it would be easier for someone to fabricate threatening posts and get the authorities to believe they came from you if you already have a history of ban evasion.
Considering that PZ has accused Michael Nugent of "providing a haven for harassers, misogynists, and rapists" - which causes significant "splash damage" to all of those on the Pit, if not actually targeting all of us - I would say he's unlikely to have much in the way of leg to stand on. But more importantly, even PZ has admitted that criticim isn't harassment which even further vitiates any argument along those lines.

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Really? wrote:

In Pit tradition, I tell you to fuck off.

And I offer you this basket of links that you must examine before you are educated enough to interact with us.

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Clarence is more of a fox than a lynx, even multiplied out.

I don't think I ever fucked on. Do you take credit?

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Lsuoma wrote:Those lovely, lovely Muslims!

Boko Haram crisis: Nigeria estimates Baga deaths at 150.

This is on top of using a ten-year-old girl as a suicide bomber.

Evil fuckers...

Pretty sure the victims are also Muslims.

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Who are the rapists anyway? Or was "providing a haven for ... rapists" another way of saying "rape-apologist", which appears to be a contagious condition? It doesn't take too much mental gymnastics to go from there to equate that to "accurate[ly] and forthright[ly] ... accus[ing] him of ... supporting rapists".

By not suing the heck out of PeeZus, Shermer has emboldened his behaviour.

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See, the problem isn't about intolerance or cartoons or censorship. The problem is about political power. And a major strategy to control and gain power is hate. The simple fact is parts of the Islamic world just hate the west. This hatred has no direct connection with Islam or the Qur’an, but through the different interpretations, this has become intertwined with parts of their teaching. They absolutely loathe everything that the west stands for. For supporting Israel, for bombing their countries, controlling the global economy, manipulating global politics, mocking their beliefs, and for the general decadent, materialistic, pornographic lifestyle that we live that is so incompatible with theirs. The real truth doesn't matter. What matters is the truth that they believe in, that they use to feed each other, and fuel further hatred.
It's been by anecdotal experience. A lot of muslims in France believe wholeheartedly that the 9/11 attacks were a Mossad/American plot. Huge number of conspiracy theories have sprung up lately about the Charlie Hebdo attacks. A witness said one of the attackers had blue eyes. The usual goto of Mossad false flag. A group of frigging school aged girls loudly discussing this in the metro confidently tell each other the attackers totally looked like jews. A false flag by the french government to justify a military venture in a muslim country. Basically anything that confirms the west (and the jews, never forget the jews) as devious, cold-hearted puppet masters responsible for all the ills of the world and Islam as one of their primary victims. Islam in the modern age has a deep streak of belligerent self-pity. A large number of SJW lingo buzzwords about tolerance and multicultural harmony appear regularly in their arguements. Selectively, of course. Lots of talk about class struggle, entrenched elites using superficial differences to divide the "people", open borders and of feeling as a citizen of the world.
The again, there are also a sizeable portion that believe in none of this. I think it's an obvious 2way street, and muslims living in France have (if only some) moderated their religious mores somewhat, have assimilated. In fact, it's a major complaint of the salafi and wahhabist imams that come to preach self-victimizing anger and need for retribution in Europe. That contact with these kuffars is diluting the pure islamic faith of their forebears, that their young are drinking and whoring, partaking in all the worst vices of the decadent west, that only by a return to stricter values will their faith endure. There is a silent unspoken struggle between moderates and extremists, not as a binary but as a spectrum (that analogy has been thoroughly ruined by tumblr for me btw). It is necessarily silent because of the very real consequences for apostasy. Despite the surveys, I don't think even close to most muslims in Europe would kill for apostasy. They might approve if they hear of it, or simply not condemn it, or condemn it but with many caveats (the usual "but"). The most realistic consequence is ostracization from the community, the hardest hitting being the primary nuclear family (mother, father, brothers, sisters, wife, husband, sons, daughters). I think that's heavy enough consequences without adding death, which is always a possibility if "high profile" or just vocal enough.
Beliefs in Islam (or perhaps even in general) aren't on a binary scale of ‘moderate’ vs ‘radical’. There is a continuous spectrum, ranging from very moderate on one end, to extreme radical on the other. Most critically, there is a whole ‘intermediate’ range with different ‘tipping’ points.

There are those who would never dare get involved in violent behaviour, or even condone it, but they might secretly share some of the frustrations of the radicals. There are those who might also not condone violent behaviour, but they might share the frustrations of the radicals more openly, and perhaps outwardly incite hate towards the west. Others who don’t condone violence might donate to a mosque responsible for radical teachings, even radical recruits. Others might explicitly condone violence, but they might not be dedicated enough to pull the trigger. Instead they might help a little bit financially or logistically. Or maybe help a lot financially or logistically. Or even though they can’t pull the trigger, they might pass on their hatred onto their brothers who could end up even more radical. They could act as instigators, motivators, recruiters. Maybe on a small operation that doesn't involving killing people, or maybe just killing a few people, or a few truly ‘anti-islamic’ people. Or maybe killing thousands of innocent civilians. These are all different tiers along a slippery path. Once on that path, people can be pushed or pulled to different tiers. Just like any slippery slope to crime. Though in this case, there is quite a large recruitment pool, with a dangerous dogma attached to it.

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Really? wrote:
Aneris wrote:Why do you really want to post where you aren't welcome? Nothing against a bit of unruly subversion once in a while, but I don't think it's a good idea to force commentary on them they don't want to hear. Just calculate in that these people are a lost cause and see in what way they even are a problem. Obviously spreading lies in mainstream media, that are demonstrably false and smearing are a big problem, but their idiot views not necessarily. Big surprise, some people are wrong on the Internet.
You are mistaken. Steersman was not posting at FTB. OaringAway or whatever was. The pyrsyn behind both of these avatars seems to have been genuinely interested in rational argument. The Horde did NOT feel that OaringAway was unwelcome--any more than any other freethinker--until Peezy Mee pointed out that he was an unperson.
Thanks for the vote of confidence. :-) But, yea, kind of amusing that "Caitie Cat", among a few others, was prepared to engage with me, at least until someone let the cat out of the bag.

But kind of a sad reflection on how far PZ and Pharyngula have fallen that they seem less interested in debate than in maintaining ideological purity. Has some remarkably problematic similarities with the flogging of an atheist blogger by the "government" - a collection of thugs if the truth were known - of Saudi Arabia (I'm all for banning the importation of Saudi oil - go Canadian! ;-) ). But my comment on those shenanigans at the time:
OaringAbout wrote: 10 January 2015 at 11:09 pm
Arawhon (#8):
You are of course far too invested in your own image to completely disguise yourself when ban evading.
So much easier – isn’t it? – just to ban people, to put your fingers in your ears and say “nyah, nyah, can’t hear you”, than to actually address the points raised. Real classy bunch.
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ROBOKiTTY wrote:Who are the rapists anyway? Or was "providing a haven for ... rapists" another way of saying "rape-apologist", which appears to be a contagious condition? It doesn't take too much mental gymnastics to go from there to equate that to "accurate[ly] and forthright[ly] ... accus[ing] him of ... supporting rapists".

By not suing the heck out of PeeZus, Shermer has emboldened his behaviour.
Indeed. Since Shermer doesn't have the balls to do so - figuratively speaking at least - maybe "The Pit" should start a class action suit of sorts against Myers - and maybe Brayton as he seems rather reluctant to address Nugent's e-mails to him.

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free thoughtpolice wrote:
Steersman wrote:Relative to my recent banning at Pharyngula ["what? again?"] - under the username "OaringAbout" - I see that PZ mentioned that the IP I had used was the same one as a previous one. So, I'm wondering what are the pros and cons of using, for example, various proxy servers; any recommendations, caveats?
Next time don't use such an obvious nym- make them work to figure it is you. Try "ABoringLout". :rimshot:
No, it's should be "ABoringLout, Rimjobber of Feminist Electric Eels" or some dumb shit like that.

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Just to clarify I don't agree with the general gist of the article. It's straight up abdication of Islamic buffoonery about their special religious rules being so super cereal that they must be accepted wholesale by every country they deign to grace by their presence.

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Steersman wrote:
coyotenose wrote:
Steersman wrote:Relative to my recent banning at Pharyngula ["what? again?"] - under the username "OaringAbout" - I see that PZ mentioned that the IP I had used was the same one as a previous one. So, I'm wondering what are the pros and cons of using, for example, various proxy servers; any recommendations, caveats?
From my perspective:

- It's unethical to use someone else's resources without their permission in order to force or trick them into listening to you without stronger justification (your ethical mileage may vary.)
Different model of vehicle; my mileage is actually quite a bit different. :-)

But more particularly, I figure PZ is peddling some rather egregious propaganda on his site, and largely refusing any dissenting voices to be heard there. And most if not quite all of his commentariat are too chicken-shit to actually step outside of his echo chamber. I figure he's using a public arena to advance his agenda, and that he should, by rights, be confronted there.
coyotenose wrote:- It opens you up to harassment charges, and it would be easier for someone to fabricate threatening posts and get the authorities to believe they came from you if you already have a history of ban evasion.
Considering that PZ has accused Michael Nugent of "providing a haven for harassers, misogynists, and rapists" - which causes significant "splash damage" to all of those on the Pit, if not actually targeting all of us - I would say he's unlikely to have much in the way of leg to stand on. But more importantly, even PZ has admitted that criticim isn't harassment which even further vitiates any argument along those lines.
If we're being pedantic, PZ has made statements that criticism isn't harassment. He's also asserted that criticism is harassment.

He's said that Islam is a violent religion that must be mocked and defamed. He's also pointed out that Islam is a peaceful religion that deserves our respect.

PZ has said that there are virtually no examples of people lying about sexual misconduct. He's also made it clear that the accusation misconduct against him was false.

I think he likes octopi because they're flip-floppers, too.

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Garlix wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:Those lovely, lovely Muslims!

Boko Haram crisis: Nigeria estimates Baga deaths at 150.

This is on top of using a ten-year-old girl as a suicide bomber.

Evil fuckers...

Pretty sure the victims are also Muslims.
If nothing else, Boko Haram has appeased Anita Sarkeesian by breaking up the suicide bomber Boys' Club.

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Parody Accountant wrote:
coyotenose wrote:
Steersman wrote:Relative to my recent banning at Pharyngula ["what? again?"] - under the username "OaringAbout" - I see that PZ mentioned that the IP I had used was the same one as a previous one. So, I'm wondering what are the pros and cons of using, for example, various proxy servers; any recommendations, caveats?
From my perspective:

- It's unethical to use someone else's resources without their permission in order to force or trick them into listening to you without stronger justification (your ethical mileage may vary.)

- It opens you up to harassment charges, and it would be easier for someone to fabricate threatening posts and get the authorities to believe they came from you if you already have a history of ban evasion.
If they are fabricating threatening posts in your name, it wouldn't matter if last year you posted from norway or spain under a different name that was never detected...
I also don't understand why you think this is a remotely likely strategy that PZ would use against Steersman... forging threats in a wordpress database (doubt he has the skill to modify the IP table or the comments tables, and as odious as he is, I highly doubt he would do this even if he could.) What the shit are you talking about.
All they'd have to do is themselves use a proxy server and make posts under the ban evader's name or an obvious 'nym, acting increasingly unhinged ("How would that be any different from the usual commentary?") over several further bans. The burden of proof is light when it comes to civil charges, and judges tend to be easy to convince in this regard, because they see so many nasty harassment/stalking cases that many of them always assume the worst. PZ wouldn't even have to do it; some commenter could set it up and fool him. I don't think they WILL, but massively overestimating the good faith of others is a personal pasttime.

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Really? wrote:
Steersman wrote:
coyotenose wrote:[.quote="Steersman"]Relative to my recent banning at Pharyngula ["what? again?"] - under the username "OaringAbout" - I see that PZ mentioned that the IP I had used was the same one as a previous one. So, I'm wondering what are the pros and cons of using, for example, various proxy servers; any recommendations, caveats?[/.quote]

From my perspective:

- It's unethical to use someone else's resources without their permission in order to force or trick them into listening to you without stronger justification (your ethical mileage may vary.)
Different model of vehicle; my mileage is actually quite a bit different. :-)

But more particularly, I figure PZ is peddling some rather egregious propaganda on his site, and largely refusing any dissenting voices to be heard there. And most if not quite all of his commentariat are too chicken-shit to actually step outside of his echo chamber. I figure he's using a public arena to advance his agenda, and that he should, by rights, be confronted there. ....
If we're being pedantic, PZ has made statements that criticism isn't harassment. He's also asserted that criticism is harassment. ....
Reminds me of something from my high school social studies class [practically yesterday, or so I remember ....] about the European politician Talleyrand:
Talleyrand polarizes scholarly opinion. Some regard him as one of the most versatile, skilled and influential diplomats in European history, and some believe that he was a traitor, betraying in turn, the Ancien Régime, the French Revolution, Napoleon, and the Restoration.
Many seem to have styled him a weather vane for the rapidity with which he switched directions, and on the slightest change in which direction the political wind was blowing.
Really? wrote:I think he likes octopi because they're flip-floppers, too.
:-) And their suckers certainly look like the pattern on waffles ....

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bovarchist wrote:Apparently The Weeknd was arrested for punching a cop in the head.
Why is it that nobody wants to give white people credit for the times a black guy punches a cop in the face and DOESN'T get shot?
http://www.rap-up.com/2015/01/12/the-we ... e-officer/
So, assault on a police officer. Gets a low $2,000 bail. Guy skips bail, explicitly stating "escaped from Las Vegas."

This guy will never get a low bail again, if he ever does get bail.

If he takes off to Canada, he is probably safe. What are the penalties for him doing this? Will a warrant for his arrest extend nation wide? Would he be arrested upon trying to enter the US again?

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coyotenose wrote:
Parody Accountant wrote: .... I also don't understand why you think this is a remotely likely strategy that PZ would use against Steersman... forging threats in a wordpress database (doubt he has the skill to modify the IP table or the comments tables, and as odious as he is, I highly doubt he would do this even if he could.) What the shit are you talking about.
All they'd have to do is themselves use a proxy server and make posts under the ban evader's name or an obvious 'nym, acting increasingly unhinged ("How would that be any different from the usual commentary?") over several further bans. The burden of proof is light when it comes to civil charges, and judges tend to be easy to convince in this regard, because they see so many nasty harassment/stalking cases that many of them always assume the worst. PZ wouldn't even have to do it; some commenter could set it up and fool him. I don't think they WILL, but massively overestimating the good faith of others is a personal pasttime.
Seems to make any charge actually stick they would have to get a record of the IP addresses that were guilty, and then link them to specific comments. And even assuming that was possible, unless I were to have made "unhinged" comments myself, or ones that were clearly "threatening", then I can't see that that case would have a snowball's chance in hell of succeeding. But then again, I'm not a lawyer ....

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Garlix wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:Those lovely, lovely Muslims!

Boko Haram crisis: Nigeria estimates Baga deaths at 150.

This is on top of using a ten-year-old girl as a suicide bomber.

Evil fuckers...

Pretty sure the victims are also Muslims.
And what difference does that make?

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Really? wrote: If we're being pedantic, PZ has made statements that criticism isn't harassment. He's also asserted that criticism is harassment.

He's said that Islam is a violent religion that must be mocked and defamed. He's also pointed out that Islam is a peaceful religion that deserves our respect.

PZ has said that there are virtually no examples of people lying about sexual misconduct. He's also made it clear that the accusation misconduct against him was false.

I think he likes octopi because they're flip-floppers, too.
Flip-flopping is not even the problem. Skeptics should always be ready to change their opinions when presented with new evidence. PeeZus' problem is that those on the outside can clearly see through his duplicity and hypocrisy, which he never frankly discusses nor apologizes for. Unlike the many clearly unhinged commenters on his site, he is clearly intelligent and calculating but seems to have suffered too much from years of self-hatred to use his talents productively when he saw easier ways to get the recognition he didn't have the work ethic for.

PeeZus seems like a classic example of what Scott Aaronson might've become, had he stayed on that self-destructive path. Even his criticism of Aaronson's comment rang deeply hollow. PeeZus truly is an example of internalized oppression.

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ROBOKiTTY wrote:
Jiminy Cricket wrote: I don't think it's reasonable to label the U.S. Libertarian Party as right wing. On all social issues they are more left wing than most Democrats.
Noooo, that's not how left-right works nowadays. Left and right only pertain to economic issues. Social issues form a different axis.
I think you're making the same mistake as when you expounded on "free speech". You're taking your own idiosyncratic definition and just assuming it's the one that should be used. There's no evidence that right vs left is presently only applied to the economic spectrum. It's commonly applied to both economic and social axes. Anti-abortion, traditional marriage, pro-school prayer and religion-in-the-public-square advocates are all routinely called 'right-wing'. The Wikipedia entry for 'Right-wing politics' includes a collection of both social and economic issues and no reference to any recent shift in its use to primarily economic issues.

A longstanding complaint of mine is that left vs. right has become nearly useless in describing someone's politics because it's just a tag applied in wildly differing contexts and has no intrinsic meaning. Someone on the right can be a traditionalist, libertarian, or fascist, all entirely different and in many ways radically opposed to each other. Similarly, someone on the left can be a pro-government technocrat, progressive, or communist. And isn't lumping fascism in with 'right-wing' gratuitous when it's actually fundamentally a strain of socialism? The historical hatred between communists and fascist isn't because their respective ideologies were radically opposite. It was because they were fighting for the same hearts and minds with ideologies that had more similarities than differences, namely, the institution of a massively powerful state apparatus that would organize society for the 'betterment of the masses'.

While not as bad, conservative vs. liberal has similar problems which have been compounded by a mobius strip-like twisting of the definitions over time. I really wish people would move over to tags which have some intrinsic meaning, like collectivist vs. individualist.
ROBOKiTTY wrote: The left is epitomized by the saying, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."
I think most on the left would dispute that. It's a classical description of Marxism. It would be fascinating, however, if in one of the Democratic presidential candidate debates in the next election cycle the participants were asked if they agreed with that phrase.
ROBOKiTTY wrote: For example, Ron Paul, long considered a libertarian star in the US, is a centrist on social issues and almost as right-wing as it gets.
Ron Paul is extremely atypical of libertarians on social issues. 'Centrist' is hardly the descriptive term I would use for the jumbled mess of his social issue positions. Sure, he's generally in favor of free expression,marriage equality, and freedom of association (i.e. against anti-discrimination laws) but he's also anti-abortion, against church/state separation, and even thinks individual states have the right to establish 'anti-sodomy' laws. If 1 in 100 self-described libertarians is in substantial agreement with Paul's social positions, I would be surprised.

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Old_ones wrote: LMAO. I refuse to believe this guy is anything but a piss take at this point. First the "coincidence" comments aimed at the Avicenna plagiarism thing, and now this?

Also Nenya does not mean "child of abused lesbians". It means this:
The second ring, Nenya, was made of mithril and adorned with a "white stone", presumably a diamond.[2] The name is derived from the Quenya nén meaning water. It is also called Ring of Adamant, Ring of Water and the White Ring.

The ring was wielded by Galadriel of Lothlórien, and possessed a radiance that matched that of the stars; while Frodo Baggins could see it by virtue of being a Ring-bearer, Samwise Gamgee tells Galadriel he only "saw a star through your fingers". (This appears in many editions as "finger"—which sounds more magical, since it suggests that her finger has somehow become transparent—but The Treason of Isengard, ch. 13, note 34, mentions it as an error.)

Nenya's power gave preservation, protection, and possibly concealment from evil because "there is a secret power here that holds evil from the land". However, the fact that Orcs from Moria entered Lórien after The Fellowship of the Ring and Lórien itself had suffered previous attacks from Sauron's Orcs sent from Dol Guldur suggests the power of the ring did not constitute military prowess. It was said that, protected as it was by Nenya, Lothlórien would not have fallen unless Sauron had personally come to attack it. Galadriel used these powers to create and sustain Lothlórien, but it also increased in her the longing for the Sea and her desire to return to the Undying Lands.
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bovarchist wrote:
Tribble wrote:
Cunt of Personality wrote:http://i.imgur.com/F0OBhlw.jpg
If his head isn't abnormally small, scaling from that means his arms are almost big as my waist -- as wide, but not quite the depth. And that's frightening.
Yeah but I'm betting you can outrun him.
What part are those rolls of fat between his legs? Are they parts of the thighs? Or squished-forward buttocks? More blobs of abdominal fat? Honestly can't tell.

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Steersman wrote:"The Pit" should start a class action suit of sorts against Myers - and maybe Brayton as he seems rather reluctant to address Nugent's e-mails to him.
In the US, that would be a clusterfuck of a lawsuit. What is it, 99% of all cases settle out of court anyway? Ben Radford is already looking at shelling out $100k+ for his lawsuit.

Cases like that only make sense if you are shooting at a very rich target where the lawyer can expect to pocket a decent chunk of change out of a settlement.

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jugheadnaut wrote:
ROBOKiTTY wrote:
Jiminy Cricket wrote: I don't think it's reasonable to label the U.S. Libertarian Party as right wing. On all social issues they are more left wing than most Democrats.
Noooo, that's not how left-right works nowadays. Left and right only pertain to economic issues. Social issues form a different axis.
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While not as bad, conservative vs. liberal has similar problems which have been compounded by a mobius strip-like twisting of the definitions over time. I really wish people would move over to tags which have some intrinsic meaning, like collectivist vs. individualist.
Yes, quite agree. Seem to recollect the “group versus individual” trope or concept has a venerable provenance, going back to Socrates & Plato, if not earlier. But an interesting observation, of some 970,000 hits using those search terms, from one of them:
While the United States supports human rights on paper, the nation was and still is very racist. Kymlicka and Nussbum both focus on minorities, at least in the eyes of rights. Kymlicka focuses of indigenous rights in North America, and the group versus individual rights phenomenon. The question he ends with is, should native societies be exempt from some of our conventions, like the Bill of Rights?
Interesting that many seem to be all too quick to demand their rights, but not many are prepared to consider their concomitant responsibilities.

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SoylentAtheist wrote:
Steersman wrote:"The Pit" should start a class action suit of sorts against Myers - and maybe Brayton as he seems rather reluctant to address Nugent's e-mails to him.
In the US, that would be a clusterfuck of a lawsuit. What is it, 99% of all cases settle out of court anyway? Ben Radford is already looking at shelling out $100k+ for his lawsuit.

Cases like that only make sense if you are shooting at a very rich target where the lawyer can expect to pocket a decent chunk of change out of a settlement.
I did say maybe:
... maybe "The Pit" should start a class action suit ....
But I agree the chances of hitting PZ where it hurts most with such a suit is likely to be "iffy" at best.

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Is Michael Nugent known to edit/delete comments without making it clear he has done so?

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
John D wrote: First is the fact that France has so many laws regulating how you dress. I think you can probably go topless but can't wear a hijab.

I stopped reading right here.

The only dress-styles that are forbidden in France are the niqab and the burka. The hijab is totally ok.

Simple reason: niqab and burka cover your face and thus you can't be identified. You could be a man under the garment. There even was a robbery quite a few years back with two men in niqab, in Marseille, IRRC.

It's basic security.
IIRC, in Germany, wearing a face covering during a street protest is illegal.

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free thoughtpolice wrote:John D wrote:
How can it be right to allow a Jew to wear a Yamika and a Muslim cannot wear a burka?
I agree. The French shouldn't pass a law making it illegal to wear a niqab or burqa. They should be more like the US where persons of color can legally wear hoodies but honkies have the right to shoot them for it. :bjarte:
Isn't it now legal in the US for black people to resist arrest? Because: Jim Crow?

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ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:Is Michael Nugent known to edit/delete comments without making it clear he has done so?
He silently deleted one of mine a week or two ago. KennyD had accused Nugent of being "obsessed" with PZ Myers. So I wrote a comment asking KennyD why he condoned rape, hoping to follow up with "why are you obsessed with me?" if he responded. Alas, Nugent quickly deep-sixed my "why do you condone rape?" comment (justifiably, I'd say).

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Brive1987 wrote:I can see why Myers might be nervous about his new classroom approach.

http://i.imgur.com/gHSTxEM.jpg
Dawkins & PZ? That's like saying, 'Maybe Beethoven and Milli Vanilli could have written better songs if ...."

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:I can see why Myers might be nervous about his new classroom approach.

http://i.imgur.com/gHSTxEM.jpg
Dawkins & PZ? That's like saying, 'Maybe Beethoven and Milli Vanilli could have written better songs if ...."
That's not really fair to Milli Vanilli. At least they had good looks and a decent stage presence.

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My sister spent a month visiting friends in Milan, which is One Of The Four Fashion Capitals Of The Worldâ„¢. On her second day, she bought a scarf as all the Milanese women were wearing them. My sis couldn't come close to working their scarf fashion magic, but at least she didn't feel she stuck out.

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ROBOKiTTY wrote:PeeZus seems like a classic example of what Scott Aaronson might've become, had he stayed on that self-destructive path. Even his criticism of Aaronson's comment rang deeply hollow. PeeZus truly is an example of internalized oppression.
Not sure that's fair to Scott, or frankly myself and a zillion other men that Scott spoke for the vast majority of whom have not walked down PeeZus path, even when we STILL harbor internalized oppression.

PeeZus shouldn't get off so easy. He takes asshattery to a new level.

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Steersman wrote:
coyotenose wrote:
Parody Accountant wrote: .... I also don't understand why you think this is a remotely likely strategy that PZ would use against Steersman... forging threats in a wordpress database (doubt he has the skill to modify the IP table or the comments tables, and as odious as he is, I highly doubt he would do this even if he could.) What the shit are you talking about.
All they'd have to do is themselves use a proxy server and make posts under the ban evader's name or an obvious 'nym, acting increasingly unhinged ("How would that be any different from the usual commentary?") over several further bans. The burden of proof is light when it comes to civil charges, and judges tend to be easy to convince in this regard, because they see so many nasty harassment/stalking cases that many of them always assume the worst. PZ wouldn't even have to do it; some commenter could set it up and fool him. I don't think they WILL, but massively overestimating the good faith of others is a personal pasttime.
Seems to make any charge actually stick they would have to get a record of the IP addresses that were guilty, and then link them to specific comments. And even assuming that was possible, unless I were to have made "unhinged" comments myself, or ones that were clearly "threatening", then I can't see that that case would have a snowball's chance in hell of succeeding. But then again, I'm not a lawyer ....
Speaking from personal experience (not gonna go into it without being asked, cause it's boring), lots of low-level judges rule based on emotion and "gut", and the plaintiff often has an advantage going both in that they get to set the tone and prejudice the judge, and because the judge may assume that where's there's testimony that someone saw smoke, there must have been a fire. With the wrong podunk judge and location, you can lose a civil case at the small claims/district level merely by being unlikable.

Basically, I didn't think some people had a snowball's chance, either. It took a year and a lot of money to expose and humiliate them, and even so, I have it on good word that the original judge has it in for me because the appeal made her look incompetent to the state appellate court.

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Any pitters know anything about manufacturing/fabrication ala Kickstarter projects?

I'd like to buy (or kickstart) a combination

+ external phone battery
+ (pot) vape pen
+ usb flash drive
+ tails linux stick

I think the basic mechanism already exists, just needs some tweaking
http://imgur.com/nMrdO0z.png

Seriously, wish I knew how to take a random idea and get it to the point I kickstart the manufacture of it.

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Really? wrote:
PZ has said that there are virtually no examples of people lying about sexual misconduct. He's also made it clear that the accusation misconduct against him was false.
I had not heard about this accusation. Ugh, must resist the urge to Google.

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Guestus Aurelius wrote:
ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:Is Michael Nugent known to edit/delete comments without making it clear he has done so?
He silently deleted one of mine a week or two ago. KennyD had accused Nugent of being "obsessed" with PZ Myers. So I wrote a comment asking KennyD why he condoned rape, hoping to follow up with "why are you obsessed with me?" if he responded. Alas, Nugent quickly deep-sixed my "why do you condone rape?" comment (justifiably, I'd say).
I've left my last comment now over there. I think it's a fucking shitty thing to edit someone's comment without leaving a few words saying you've done so. Delete it: fine. But delete part of it? Fuck that.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
John D wrote: First is the fact that France has so many laws regulating how you dress. I think you can probably go topless but can't wear a hijab.

I stopped reading right here.

The only dress-styles that are forbidden in France are the niqab and the burka. The hijab is totally ok.

Simple reason: niqab and burka cover your face and thus you can't be identified. You could be a man under the garment. There even was a robbery quite a few years back with two men in niqab, in Marseille, IRRC.

It's basic security.
IIRC, in Germany, wearing a face covering during a street protest is illegal.
Indeed, Germans not only invented Marxist, Nazi, Evangelicals and Schlager-Singers, we also came up with the idea of the Black Bloc. I never was part of one, but I was part of the movement that had them (Environmentalism against nuclear waste in North Germany): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_bloc

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ROBOKiTTY wrote:
Really? wrote: If we're being pedantic, PZ has made statements that criticism isn't harassment. He's also asserted that criticism is harassment.

He's said that Islam is a violent religion that must be mocked and defamed. He's also pointed out that Islam is a peaceful religion that deserves our respect.

PZ has said that there are virtually no examples of people lying about sexual misconduct. He's also made it clear that the accusation misconduct against him was false.

I think he likes octopi because they're flip-floppers, too.
Flip-flopping is not even the problem. Skeptics should always be ready to change their opinions when presented with new evidence. PeeZus' problem is that those on the outside can clearly see through his duplicity and hypocrisy, which he never frankly discusses nor apologizes for. Unlike the many clearly unhinged commenters on his site, he is clearly intelligent and calculating but seems to have suffered too much from years of self-hatred to use his talents productively when he saw easier ways to get the recognition he didn't have the work ethic for.

PeeZus seems like a classic example of what Scott Aaronson might've become, had he stayed on that self-destructive path. Even his criticism of Aaronson's comment rang deeply hollow. PeeZus truly is an example of internalized oppression.
That is fair, Robokitty. I am NOT saying that people shouldn't be allowed to change their positions. We are all works in progress. If we're the same at 60 as we were at 20...that's a problem. I like the rest of what you said. Just don't want you or others to think I denounce ALL changes of mind.

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coyotenose wrote:
Parody Accountant wrote:
coyotenose wrote: From my perspective:

- It's unethical to use someone else's resources without their permission in order to force or trick them into listening to you without stronger justification (your ethical mileage may vary.)

- It opens you up to harassment charges, and it would be easier for someone to fabricate threatening posts and get the authorities to believe they came from you if you already have a history of ban evasion.
If they are fabricating threatening posts in your name, it wouldn't matter if last year you posted from norway or spain under a different name that was never detected...
I also don't understand why you think this is a remotely likely strategy that PZ would use against Steersman... forging threats in a wordpress database (doubt he has the skill to modify the IP table or the comments tables, and as odious as he is, I highly doubt he would do this even if he could.) What the shit are you talking about.
All they'd have to do is themselves use a proxy server and make posts under the ban evader's name or an obvious 'nym, acting increasingly unhinged ("How would that be any different from the usual commentary?") over several further bans. The burden of proof is light when it comes to civil charges, and judges tend to be easy to convince in this regard, because they see so many nasty harassment/stalking cases that many of them always assume the worst. PZ wouldn't even have to do it; some commenter could set it up and fool him. I don't think they WILL, but massively overestimating the good faith of others is a personal pasttime.
Judges dismiss cyber-stalking cases an overwhelming amount of the time. It's actually usually due to the vague judicial guidelines, and poorly written laws...

Table 1: Cyberstalking Charges and Convictions in North Carolina

         Number Number
         Persons Persons
Year Charged Convicted

2001 28 4
2002 61 10
2003 44 13
2004 48 11
2005 94 16
2006 155 30
2007 247 36
2008 400 41
Total 1,077 161
*Source: North Carolina Research and Planning Office

So... 1% ???

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jugheadnaut wrote: I think you're making the same mistake as when you expounded on "free speech". You're taking your own idiosyncratic definition and just assuming it's the one that should be used. There's no evidence that right vs left is presently only applied to the economic spectrum. It's commonly applied to both economic and social axes. Anti-abortion, traditional marriage, pro-school prayer and religion-in-the-public-square advocates are all routinely called 'right-wing'. The Wikipedia entry for 'Right-wing politics' includes a collection of both social and economic issues and no reference to any recent shift in its use to primarily economic issues.

A longstanding complaint of mine is that left vs. right has become nearly useless in describing someone's politics because it's just a tag applied in wildly differing contexts and has no intrinsic meaning. Someone on the right can be a traditionalist, libertarian, or fascist, all entirely different and in many ways radically opposed to each other. Similarly, someone on the left can be a pro-government technocrat, progressive, or communist ...
Well, my definition is similar to the ones used by several multi-axis models. I think it's pretty close to the definitions most used by political commentators who want to avoid talking in circles. It certainly doesn't make any sense to tie views on social issues to the left-right spectrum.
jugheadnaut wrote: ... And isn't lumping fascism in with 'right-wing' gratuitous when it's actually fundamentally a strain of socialism? The historical hatred between communists and fascist isn't because their respective ideologies were radically opposite. It was because they were fighting for the same hearts and minds with ideologies that had more similarities than differences, namely, the institution of a massively powerful state apparatus that would organize society for the 'betterment of the masses'.
How is fascism a strain of socialism? Fascism isn't about reducing economic inequality or empowering the poor and working class. There's no class struggle, only a struggle between nations. In Italy, fascism resulted in massive cutting of civil services and an alignment of state and corporate interests, and the state was fiercely against unions and workers' rights.

In fact, the Soviet Union was and is seen by many left-wingers, especially anarchists, as an example of fascism and state capitalism. It merely went one step further than the Italian fascists by actually combining the state and private enterprise into one giant corporation-government. The Soviet implementation of government as well as most subsequent 20th century attempts at government that branded themselves socialist or communist certainly ignored the egalitarian ideals of socialism and communism.

One might protest this as a No True Scotsman argument, which it is. However, socialism and communism are political ideologies, so can one really claim that people who wildly deviated from the core of those ideologies, like Stalin and Mussolini, to be socialists or communists? One might call them ideologues, but not ideologues of any ideology that bears any semblance to what socialism and communism aim for.

I protest the term 'Cultural Marxism' for similar reasons. Academic SJWism is a perversion of Marx's ideals and resembles in skeletal form the scaffolding of the original concept. People who use the term clearly just want to invoke the West's revulsion towards communism against SJWs.
jugheadnaut wrote: I think most on the left would dispute that. It's a classical description of Marxism. It would be fascinating, however, if in one of the Democratic presidential candidate debates in the next election cycle the participants were asked if they agreed with that phrase.
Are you talking about the American left? Much of the world would consider the American left right-wing. The Democratic Party is not very different from the Republican party outside of their rhetoric.

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Really? wrote: That is fair, Robokitty. I am NOT saying that people shouldn't be allowed to change their positions. We are all works in progress. If we're the same at 60 as we were at 20...that's a problem. I like the rest of what you said. Just don't want you or others to think I denounce ALL changes of mind.
I figured you thought the same. Just wanted to add to it.

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Really? wrote: That is fair, Robokitty. I am NOT saying that people shouldn't be allowed to change their positions. We are all works in progress. If we're the same at 60 as we were at 20...that's a problem. I like the rest of what you said. Just don't want you or others to think I denounce ALL changes of mind.
Actually, the main purpose I responded to your post was I wanted to make a pun about cuttlefish and PeeZus being a transparently hypocritical lout. For some reason, I lost sight of that goal.

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coyotenose, what the fuck are you doing here?

Over at Hemant's blog you:

- accused someone of being a sock puppet of a Pit person

- accused several Pit people of defending that individual (and of being in the sock "puppets tribe"), while disregarding the individual's supposedly being a sock puppet

- accused those supposed defenders of the supposed sock puppet of supposedly saying they didn't care about that person's supposedly being a sock puppet

- accussed Pit people of attacking women just for being women

- accussed Pit people of being a nasty bunch of extreme misogynists

- went on to claim that more than one Pit person was sock puppeting Hemant's blog to drum up fake support for and to advertise for the Pit website

- claimed that the Pit tolerated and egged on extreme misogyny to such a degree that it was effectively part of its founding principles

- claimed that the early days of the Pit involved "ha-ha-she-should-get-raped-for-speaking-up circle-jerks"

- about the Pit, you said: "Everything I've seen since has reinforced my opinion that neither site is worth bothering with"

- consistently refused to provide any sort of actual proofs whatsoever for any of your claims, accusations, and smears

So, coyotenose, seriously, why are you here? What are you hoping to find? What do you hope or expect to get out of participating in the Pit's ongoing dialogue? Why should I, for example, trust you for even one second?

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