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I'll just use one quote to remind you of the topic....
Kirbmarc wrote:Is it possible that this is what Dawkins meant?
Yes, but this is also where one could launch a justified criticism of Dawkins, assuming one were in the mood to have a real conversation about the "rankings" of rape.

Dawkins was, I agree, only thinking in terms of the physical trauma and the fear that's evoked by a knife-point rape; on these measures, stranger-rape is much worse that date-rape. He did not seem to consider the possibly greater emotional damage of being raped by an acquaintance. Even more, his lack of attention to this dimension could be see as coming from his background, such that this is actually an example of where Dawkins has argued as if his view covers everyone equally, when it actually is limited by and to his experience.

But in order to get to this deeper criticism of Dawkins - that his limited experience may cause him to express generalizations that are not generally true - you must first take his original statement seriously and admit that, when you limit the discussion to those dimensions of trauma that he seems to worry about, he was probably correct. Then you can say "but, for others who weight other aspects of interpersonal violence more heavily, date-rape might be as bad or worse, so Dawkins was projecting in an inappropriate manner."

Of course, all of this requires that the trauma of rape - on any number of scales - is quantifiable. My guess is that a well-trained SJW will never agree to this in the first place. And, yet, they will agree that being punched hard in the face is worse than being punched softly in the leg. Sigh.

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Kirbmarc wrote:
Yes, that's it: our current inability to probe the victim's brain to establish how much she suffers forces us to set objective parameters of seriousness. From the victim's viewpoint, there can be no objective parameters; from the law's, there must be.
"The laws and the justice system in general are a product of The Patriarchy. All rapes are equal. All accusations of rape are true. Unless you're one of us. Then the accusations against you are false. And if you confess to have raped someone, you were brainwashed by your abusers."
It's almost like relativity, where time and space are relative but the speed of light is always the same. Laws and behaviour are relative, but rape is absolute.

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Shatterface as Guest wrote:Jerry Coyne on a Myers' latest brainfart:

http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com ... haryngula/

Shatterface
Yep. I read WEIT every day now, and avoid FTB like the plague.

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SpacePope wrote:
another lurker wrote:Reactions to the Guardian rape letter..
http://www.womensagenda.com.au/index.ph ... Hx4e3PTmv0

1) as long as the woman thinks that it is rape, it is rape

2) rape is bad, so it's OK to falsely accuse men of rape
"The bottom line is this: rape accusations – true and false – will only stop when men in society stop systematically and repeatedly committing rape, and we have a much better chance of making that happen if we don't champion the voices of the accused at the expense of the victim."

The fucking. the..fuck..fucking. fuck? What? Did Lucia just claim that false rape claims will ONLY stop when men in society stop systematically and repeatedly committing rape?

And notice at the end when she says 'accused' and then says 'victim'. Well if that person is accused and it hasn't been proven that he is a rapist, then how can we establish that she is a victim yet. Only that she made an accusation. And in that op-ed it was explained that she wasn't a victim, but someone who claimed rape after consent was given for some reason or another. Yet they still say that this girl is a victim. This drives me up the wall. Completely ignoring women who rape. The word 'systematically' confuses me. Is there some sort of assembly line of men gearing up to rape women? "Alright Jeffery, it's your turn to take care of the daily rape quota."
Here is the counter-offer from the men of the world: "Dear, Lucia. Men will stop raping when women stop making false accusations of rape. In other words: you go first."

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Shatterface as Guest wrote:
Ape+lust wrote:This SJ lesson on consensual sex is your ticket to avoiding accidental rape.

Naw. It's as cringe-y as Christian comedy, skeevy as 8mm porn. And stoooopid. Turn your sound down, the slurping soundtrack is epic.

[youtube]bVHYvUpeqKI[/youtube]
The whole 'enthusiastic consent' thing looks less like a guide to avoid accidentally raping someone than legal advice on how to ensure a rape case against you won't stick.

It's not surprising most of those embracing it have been accused of rape in the past.

Shatterface
We know how to avoid accusations of rape.

Never be alone with a female student.

If a girl does threaten you with an investigation, lock her in a room with some colleagues, rush to tell your side of the story, and get her to recant.

This is 'proper procedure'.

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Shatterface as Guest wrote:
Ape+lust wrote:This SJ lesson on consensual sex is your ticket to avoiding accidental rape.

Naw. It's as cringe-y as Christian comedy, skeevy as 8mm porn. And stoooopid. Turn your sound down, the slurping soundtrack is epic.

[youtube]bVHYvUpeqKI[/youtube]
The whole 'enthusiastic consent' thing looks less like a guide to avoid accidentally raping someone than legal advice on how to ensure a rape case against you won't stick.

It's not surprising most of those embracing it have been accused of rape in the past.

Shatterface
Haha. This is about the most awkward sexy times I have ever seen. "May I (insert activity) your (insert body part)."

"May I place your index finger inside my mouth? May I now place two of your fingers of my choice into my mouth? Geee... this is totes sexy!"

Should go more like this....

"I wanna kiss your pineapple!"

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Ape+lust wrote:This SJ lesson on consensual sex is your ticket to avoiding accidental rape.

Naw. It's as cringe-y as Christian comedy, skeevy as 8mm porn. And stoooopid. Turn your sound down, the slurping soundtrack is epic.
And here's a thing I don't think I've seen discussed. Is step by step, crystal clear, explicit consent only required at the very beginning of a sexual relationship, or for the first year or so, or every single time? Because here's one thing I'm pretty sure of: by the tenth straight sexual encounter that went this way, that women would be cheating with a 'bad boy' that picked her up in a bar.

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SoylentAtheist wrote:
BlueShiftRhino wrote:
fuzzy wrote:... aaaand Michael Nugent doesn't disappoint this week http://www.michaelnugent.com/2014/12/01 ... able-theo/
About fucking time! I was about to give up and go to bed. :popcorn:
Hmm...

From the article:



The IP address is from Vodafone Ireland, Wireless Broadband, Static Assignment.

I would not suspect that of being a spammers paradise. Perhaps the person got flagged as spam for shitty posts on other forums.

However uceprotect.net clearly flags this person's ip range as being heaving on the spam.
If there is anyone who is a moderator here who has not got me on ignore could you go back through the instances where the image which was included in post I quoted (and all replies) and delete the image.

The reason for this is because, from the IP address, one can identify not only the person but also his real address.

In effect by posting the image the actual person behind the IP address has been doxxed.

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jugheadnaut wrote:
Ape+lust wrote:This SJ lesson on consensual sex is your ticket to avoiding accidental rape.

Naw. It's as cringe-y as Christian comedy, skeevy as 8mm porn. And stoooopid. Turn your sound down, the slurping soundtrack is epic.
And here's a thing I don't think I've seen discussed. Is step by step, crystal clear, explicit consent only required at the very beginning of a sexual relationship, or for the first year or so, or every single time? Because here's one thing I'm pretty sure of: by the tenth straight sexual encounter that went this way, that women would be cheating with a 'bad boy' that picked her up in a bar.

Every single time, for 30+ years of marriage.

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another lurker wrote:
jugheadnaut wrote:
Ape+lust wrote:This SJ lesson on consensual sex is your ticket to avoiding accidental rape.

Naw. It's as cringe-y as Christian comedy, skeevy as 8mm porn. And stoooopid. Turn your sound down, the slurping soundtrack is epic.
And here's a thing I don't think I've seen discussed. Is step by step, crystal clear, explicit consent only required at the very beginning of a sexual relationship, or for the first year or so, or every single time? Because here's one thing I'm pretty sure of: by the tenth straight sexual encounter that went this way, that women would be cheating with a 'bad boy' that picked her up in a bar.

Every single time, for 30+ years of marriage.
Haha... yeah... my wife has been raping me every week for the last 32 years! Call the fucking fuck police! My squeeze is not very vocal about sex... so I do what I think will work and watch and listen for feedback. and... on this subject, I don't think most people really KNOW what they want. It is way more fun to let someone do what they want to you... and then you give them the appropriate positive reaction. Words just get in the way. Why do I want to think about words during sexy time?

I expect the girl in the video is actually thinking... "Finally... fuck yes you dumb-ass... stop asking me questions and eat me!"

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another lurker wrote:
jugheadnaut wrote:
Ape+lust wrote:This SJ lesson on consensual sex is your ticket to avoiding accidental rape.

Naw. It's as cringe-y as Christian comedy, skeevy as 8mm porn. And stoooopid. Turn your sound down, the slurping soundtrack is epic.
And here's a thing I don't think I've seen discussed. Is step by step, crystal clear, explicit consent only required at the very beginning of a sexual relationship, or for the first year or so, or every single time? Because here's one thing I'm pretty sure of: by the tenth straight sexual encounter that went this way, that women would be cheating with a 'bad boy' that picked her up in a bar.

Every single time, for 30+ years of marriage.
"Can I stick it in your poopshoot?"
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Because here's one thing I'm pretty sure of: by the tenth straight sexual encounter that went this way, that women would be cheating with a 'bad boy' that picked her up in a bar.
If she lasts ten sexual encounters that go this way, she's probably a saint. Or a masochist.

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Kirbmarc wrote:If she lasts ten sexual encounters that go this way, she's probably a saint. Or a masochist.
Don't you DARE use the word "masochist" as a slur, you, you, you, slut-shaming shitlord!

- reGreta Christina

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BlueShiftRhino wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote:If she lasts ten sexual encounters that go this way, she's probably a saint. Or a masochist.
Don't you DARE use the word "masochist" as a slur, you, you, you, slut-shaming shitlord!

- reGreta Christina
Shut up chill girl. BDSM is a tool of the patriarchy.

-Andrea Dworkin.

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Kirbmarc wrote:
Because here's one thing I'm pretty sure of: by the tenth straight sexual encounter that went this way, that women would be cheating with a 'bad boy' that picked her up in a bar.
If she lasts ten sexual encounters that go this way, she's probably a saint. Or a masochist.
This why women can't get into STEM fields.

"May I enthusiastically touch this biology text?"

"May I consensually finger through this scholarly journal?"

"May I touch your sea slug for that vulval feel?”

(Oh yeah... and Newton's Principia is a rape manual.)

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another lurker wrote:
Shatterface as Guest wrote:Jerry Coyne on a Myers' latest brainfart:

http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com ... haryngula/

Shatterface
Yep. I read WEIT every day now, and avoid FTB like the plague.
Ouch. PZ's reputation is dead meat, based on the comments at WEIT:
Pharyngula used to be one of my favorite blogs back in the day, then it started to fester and the comment section became a place to shout down discussion and dogpile on people under heaps of angry invective, all encouraged by PZ, rather than a place for reasoned discourse.

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another lurker wrote:
jugheadnaut wrote:
And here's a thing I don't think I've seen discussed. Is step by step, crystal clear, explicit consent only required at the very beginning of a sexual relationship, or for the first year or so, or every single time? Because here's one thing I'm pretty sure of: by the tenth straight sexual encounter that went this way, that women would be cheating with a 'bad boy' that picked her up in a bar.

Every single time, for 30+ years of marriage.
I suspect that the wymmynz who make up these rulz either:
a) are afraid of sex;
b) enjoy treating their manlets at home like toilet slaves, while also letting lumbersexuals ravish them on the DL.

In the former instance, they should stop telling other people how to fuck, and instead get therapy. In the latter case, let me show you how to properly oil my 20" bar, baby.

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dog puke wrote:This why women can't get into STEM fields.
Actually, you can stop right there. Just calling them "STEM fields" is enough to cause a female snowflake to collapse and melt into gut-wrenching sobs so awful that no 140 characters can do true justice.

STEM fields.

Not something to snuggle up inside of ... to feel, once again, the warm and moist embrace of the womb.

Nope. It's STEM fields.

STEM. As in stem. As in a rising, growing, up-thrusting pillar upon which to build any number of other throbbing, thrusting, sweating, sciences that shall then go forth - never once asking for consent! - to do anything they wish, from feeding an over-burdened planet to visiting others.

Yuk. Bleh! You can keep them! I'll stick with the VAG fields, thank you very much. V-blogger, assistant, and group-therapy leader.

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It's been two weeks since Jerry Coyne wrote his aside about a blog network dedicated to drama and Pizzle's non-reality-based reply to it. And I wonder why only now he becomes cross enough to toss it out to his readers for their civilised comments. Do you think there have been e-mails flitting back and forth between Chicago and Morris remarkably similar to those that flew between Ireland and Morris a few weeks back? Has Pizzle burned another bridge?

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PZ boasts that he'll be debating Fuz Rana at a Ramada in Fargo next February.

Worried Horde responds with basic debating tips, plus the suggestion of watching old Matt Dillahunty videos and hoping PZ will do "half as well."

One also points to the hypocrisy of PZ having previously criticized Bill Nye for doing debates.

Good fun for all.

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Guest wrote:

Ah, fuck, Arthur Chu. Not only is he a too, but he's a gutless, friend-selling-out tool.

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Tigzy just made a fascinating post on MN's blog about an unnamed groper at some Skeptics in the Pub meetings. Can someone point me to more about this. I'm bored.

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bovarchist wrote:
BlueShiftRhino wrote:The real Jews of fantasy and sci-fi are the Jedi.
Hello? Ferengi?
I have the real thing:

[youtube]ZAZhtT-dUyo[/youtube]

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CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
Nec_V20 wrote:
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:Nec, if you have to advertise that you're clever, you ain't. Give it a rest. Count your remaining teeth, raid the couch cushions for beer money and give us a rest.
One problem with that plan, I don't have a couch - not even a chaise longue. I do have some really nice chairs though.

It is not a case of me advertising any cleverness, it is however about others proclaiming their abysmal stupidity.

I still have more teeth that your normal Red State extended family - not on average, but added together. So I think my blessings are pretty well taken care of as far as that goes.

Your concern trolling does touch me, but not half as touched as you must be to even consider addressing me in this fashion.
Did I address you impertinently, your Douchebaginess? You test the pit, and are found lacking. A good troll is amusing, clever and hard to detect. You are but like unto a genital wart upon a SJW, obvious but denied.
My favorite troll of all time was on GameFAQs. He went by O____okami. The guy was brilliant. He could twist you into knots and sucker you with partial-agreements as he made the long, slow push... If you weren't careful, you could find yourself close to 180 degrees from where you started.

Nec is just an asshole.

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BlueShiftRhino wrote:Tigzy just made a fascinating post on MN's blog about an unnamed groper at some Skeptics in the Pub meetings. Can someone point me to more about this. I'm bored.
Here's Ophie's blogpost I referred to: http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ith-women/

The 'Original Cindy' mentioned in the comments is the person who actually named the name - as you can see, her comments have been purged. In fact, the comments are a bit of mess there, owing to Ofie's protect-the-women stance. Ie, protect herself from being sued unto the bra off her back.

The final comment there is pretty *snort*worthy, IMO:
Alethea H. "Crocoduck" Dundee says

September 26, 2012 at 1:54 am

Hi Ophelia, glad to see the cleanup; I would not want you in legal danger.

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BlueShiftRhino wrote:PZ boasts that he'll be debating Fuz Rana at a Ramada in Fargo next February.
I might be mistaken, but there's an awful lot of wood chippers in Fargo, yes?

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Guardian News:
At least 109 women have been prosecuted in the last five years for making false rape allegations in the UK, according to campaigners who are calling for an end to what they claim is the aggressive pursuit of such cases.

On Tuesday, the charity Women Against Rape (War) is taking its campaign to the House of Commons, where some of those who have been jailed for lying about rape allegations will speak out against their treatment by the authorities.
Link

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False accusers, of whatever crime, should serve the maximum jail time usually sentenced to the person accused of the crime. Plus a few extra years for obvious malicious intent.

I do not feel merciful towards false accusations and accusers.

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Tigzy wrote:
BlueShiftRhino wrote:Tigzy just made a fascinating post on MN's blog about an unnamed groper at some Skeptics in the Pub meetings. Can someone point me to more about this. I'm bored.
Here's Ophie's blogpost I referred to: http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ith-women/

The 'Original Cindy' mentioned in the comments is the person who actually named the name - as you can see, her comments have been purged. In fact, the comments are a bit of mess there, owing to Ofie's protect-the-women stance. Ie, protect herself from being sued unto the bra off her back.

The final comment there is pretty *snort*worthy, IMO:
Alethea H. "Crocoduck" Dundee says

September 26, 2012 at 1:54 am

Hi Ophelia, glad to see the cleanup; I would not want you in legal danger.
So, if I've parsed all this correctly, someone almost came out and accused David Allen Green of groping someone at a Skeptics in the Pub in Westminister back in 2012 and this scared the shit out of Oafie because DAG is a libel lawyer and a damned good one who enjoys his work. Is that about it?

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Remember, it's also rape if you refuse to have sex with someone.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote: Ouch. PZ's reputation is dead meat, based on the comments at WEIT:
Pharyngula used to be one of my favorite blogs back in the day, then it started to fester and the comment section became a place to shout down discussion and dogpile on people under heaps of angry invective, all encouraged by PZ, rather than a place for reasoned discourse.
Ouch! There must be at least 50 ex-sheep posting in that thread.

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It's also rape to look at someone (usually at a female SJW).

Fuck these loons.

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BlueShiftRhino wrote:
So, if I've parsed all this correctly, someone almost came out and accused David Allen Green of groping someone at a Skeptics in the Pub in Westminister back in 2012 and this scared the shit out of Oafie because DAG is a libel lawyer and a damned good one who enjoys his work. Is that about it?
Get ready, I've a feeling the Fascist Tit is going to kick your balls.

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@BlueShiftRhino

Yep, that's about it.

BTW, I replied to Shatterface on Nugent's blog in much the same vein, but it appears to have swallowed the comment. Not even pre-mod :lol: Think I might have been pre-emptively blocked, for fear that I might actually name the dude there.

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http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q= ... pz%20myers

I don't know how to post the graph. And I didn't do the work. But look at how far Myers has fallen in Google Searches since 2008. I can't help but think that other PZ Myers related Internet metrics are also down.

And remember, this just search terms. But it really seems that every metric of his public presence that I've seen has decreased over the past four, five years. Some of them very significantly.

And Coyne's got a thread based on yet another WTF attack by Myers. Which I got via Nugent's 'Myers Monday' post.

http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com ... nt-1105169

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jimthepleb wrote:Excellent article on gamergate and the larger Social Justice debate.

http://gamergate.me/2014/11/war-on-humanism/

The author frames the opposition as Post-Structuralist rather than Post-Modernist.
Interesting read so far.
An interesting article. Whilst it mentions a lot of 'isms, it boils down to the old narrative world view vs a materialist one. The narrative view includes 'all part of God's plan', and 'everything happens for a reason' type thinking. It sees the universe as a story with a plot that follows narrative rules, apparantly you don't need God or karma for such thinking Patriarchy and the tide of history will do instead.

This may be the default way of thinking from our evolutionary past but is the very oposite of skeptical thinking how it got established in the atheist skeptical community beggars belief.

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I'm not all that bright and social inept. If I can figure out in five minutes who was accused of what, where, and by whom, plus find a photo of the accuser with her BF, then this ain't a secret.

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I'm now into moderation again at MN's, too, although I used no bad words. Poor guy. We're really not helping him much.

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Wow. MN must be parked at a keyboard. From submitted to in moderation to appearance in 2 minutes. Poor, poor guy.

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BlueShiftRhino wrote:I'm not all that bright and social inept. If I can figure out in five minutes who was accused of what, where, and by whom, plus find a photo of the accuser with her BF, then this ain't a secret.
Maybe you could find and post on a blog the name of a famous sceptic, author and cyclist accused of rape.

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Tigzy wrote:@BlueShiftRhino

Yep, that's about it.

BTW, I replied to Shatterface on Nugent's blog in much the same vein, but it appears to have swallowed the comment. Not even pre-mod :lol: Think I might have been pre-emptively blocked, for fear that I might actually name the dude there.
I posted a link to Nugent's blog - it's not caught in moderation.

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:False accusers, of whatever crime, should serve the maximum jail time usually sentenced to the person accused of the crime. Plus a few extra years for obvious malicious intent.

I do not feel merciful towards false accusations and accusers.
So if you falsely accuse someone of murder in the US, should you get the death penalty?

False accusers get away scot-free too many times, but there's a proportionality to sentences that should never be forgotten. Laws are aimed to prevent crimes, by isolating the offenders from society and by dissuading others from following their steps. They're not a tool to mete out emotionally charged punishment on the criminals.

Violent crimes get longer sentences because the offenders exposed themselves as persons who are prone to violence and require a long time of rehabilitation before they are reintroduced to society.Some violent crimes are even deemed to be committed by people who are very unlikely to be rehabilitated and too risky to be let out of prison.

A false accusation, however, isn't a violent crime. People who falsely accuse others aren't likely to harm others with their lies after they've been publicly exposed as a liar. If people know that you falsely accused someone, they're not going to believe you. False accusers may be morally depraved people, but they're far less harmful to society than violent criminal, once they've been publicly exposed as frauds. On the other hand someone who falsely accuse someone else doesn't do it on a whim (unless they're a pathological liar) and will probably at least entertain the idea of being exposed (even if they're are pathological liar). Five to ten years for a false accusation of rape should be enough to make people think twice before falsely accusing someone else.

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bhoytony wrote:Maybe you could find and post on a blog the name of a famous sceptic, author and cyclist accused of rape.
Actually, I have it on good authority that Sheryl Crow provided enthusiastic consent for everything that MonoBall Armstrong ever did to her. After all, she wrote this song about it:
[youtube]dyihQtBes1I[/youtube]

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Brive1987 wrote:http://i.imgur.com/r8Bu2Oh.jpg

Bwhahah!
Wait. This story also ties in to Oafie's hypocrisy on twitter harassment, too? Seriously?

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another lurker wrote:Remember, it's also rape if you refuse to have sex with someone.
If you're a lesbian porn actress and you refuse to have sex with pre-op transwomen, it's rape and transphobia.

DIE CIS SCUM.

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"PZ Myers" and "career advancement". There's words you don't see grouped together too often.

Guess he lost that battle.

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Kirbmarc wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:False accusers, of whatever crime, should serve the maximum jail time usually sentenced to the person accused of the crime. Plus a few extra years for obvious malicious intent.

I do not feel merciful towards false accusations and accusers.
So if you falsely accuse someone of murder in the US, should you get the death penalty?

False accusers get away scot-free too many times, but there's a proportionality to sentences that should never be forgotten. Laws are aimed to prevent crimes, by isolating the offenders from society and by dissuading others from following their steps. They're not a tool to mete out emotionally charged punishment on the criminals.

Violent crimes get longer sentences because the offenders exposed themselves as persons who are prone to violence and require a long time of rehabilitation before they are reintroduced to society.Some violent crimes are even deemed to be committed by people who are very unlikely to be rehabilitated and too risky to be let out of prison.

A false accusation, however, isn't a violent crime. People who falsely accuse others aren't likely to harm others with their lies after they've been publicly exposed as a liar. If people know that you falsely accused someone, they're not going to believe you. False accusers may be morally depraved people, but they're far less harmful to society than violent criminal, once they've been publicly exposed as frauds. On the other hand someone who falsely accuse someone else doesn't do it on a whim (unless they're a pathological liar) and will probably at least entertain the idea of being exposed (even if they're are pathological liar). Five to ten years for a false accusation of rape should be enough to make people think twice before falsely accusing someone else.

We'll have to disagree on that one. A person vile enough to be ready to unjustly send someone to death row is no better than a killer being condemned to death row. I am anti-death penalty, but since that's the way the US system still works in many states, that's the metric I'll be using.

So, willing and knowingly sending an innocent to death row should earn the false accuser a final trip to death row. And fuck humanism when it comes to such scumbags as would send an innocent person to their death.

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BlueShiftRhino wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:http://i.imgur.com/r8Bu2Oh.jpg

Bwhahah!
Wait. This story also ties in to Oafie's hypocrisy on twitter harassment, too? Seriously?
It's a box of chocolates. :D

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BarnOwl wrote:From Nugent's latest post:
Chigua, Ichthyc and Nerd of Redhead then scolded Tom Foss for his skepticism, with Nerd suggesting that Tom should:

“Read Nugent’s blogs asshole, like you don’t believe a word he says, rather than with worship. DUH. Apply the same skepticism you want us to use, upon Nugent. Come back when you are done. In a couple of years or so.”
Of course we're all familiar with NoR's abysmal level of critical thinking. I'd just like to point out that chigau and Icthyic can also be numbered amongst Pharyngula's most cognitively desolate commenters. They're both dishonest as feck, probably by accident, or through inability to comprehend simple facts and short trains of logic.
I'm sort of surprised by Icthyic. He was always acerbic under another nym at Pandas Thumb, and continued that at Pharyngula. I had several email discussions with him when he was planning to move to a favourite country of mine, and he seemed so, normal. But he seems to have suspended his critical thought in favour of reactionary thought.

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BarnOwl wrote:From Nugent's latest post:
Chigua, Ichthyc and Nerd of Redhead then scolded Tom Foss for his skepticism, with Nerd suggesting that Tom should:

“Read Nugent’s blogs asshole, like you don’t believe a word he says, rather than with worship. DUH. Apply the same skepticism you want us to use, upon Nugent. Come back when you are done. In a couple of years or so.”
Of course we're all familiar with NoR's abysmal level of critical thinking. I'd just like to point out that chigau and Icthyic can also be numbered amongst Pharyngula's most cognitively desolate commenters. They're both dishonest as feck, probably by accident, or through inability to comprehend simple facts and short trains of logic.

Over at Coyne's blog, I read the comment section on one post via a link from Nugent's blog. There are TONS of people at WEIT that used to read both blogs but have just give up on Myers. Or may read some things, but refuse to wade into the cesspool of the comments section.

We are not alone.

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BlueShiftRhino wrote:PZ boasts that he'll be debating Fuz Rana at a Ramada in Fargo next February.

Worried Horde responds with basic debating tips, plus the suggestion of watching old Matt Dillahunty videos and hoping PZ will do "half as well."

One also points to the hypocrisy of PZ having previously criticized Bill Nye for doing debates.

Good fun for all.
PZ has debated a Creationist at least once to my memory although he has been anti-debate recently. Is it a sign that the other speaking gigs are drying up.

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It appears that nobody here gives a fuck about someone being doxxed on this site.

From the IP address that was posted in the image I know exactly who the guy is and where he lives.

It's not fucking rocket science and it shows just how fucking ignorant you peasants are that nobody before me noticed it.

So if you can't be fucked getting rid of the image then I suppose nobody would mind if I posted the guy's full name and home address here on this thread.

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Nec_V20 wrote:It appears that nobody here gives a fuck about someone being doxxed on this site.

From the IP address that was posted in the image I know exactly who the guy is and where he lives.

It's not fucking rocket science and it shows just how fucking ignorant you peasants are that nobody before me noticed it.

So if you can't be fucked getting rid of the image then I suppose nobody would mind if I posted the guy's full name and home address here on this thread.
How did you manage that? Did you hack into the ISP's customer database?

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Michael J wrote:
BlueShiftRhino wrote:PZ boasts that he'll be debating Fuz Rana at a Ramada in Fargo next February.

Worried Horde responds with basic debating tips, plus the suggestion of watching old Matt Dillahunty videos and hoping PZ will do "half as well."

One also points to the hypocrisy of PZ having previously criticized Bill Nye for doing debates.

Good fun for all.
PZ has debated a Creationist at least once to my memory although he has been anti-debate recently. Is it a sign that the other speaking gigs are drying up.
Oh quite the opposite. ;) He has a speaking gig, entirely on spec, at CFI LA.

CFI.

They too have no shame.

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Nec_V20 wrote:It appears that nobody here gives a fuck about someone being doxxed on this site.

From the IP address that was posted in the image I know exactly who the guy is and where he lives.

It's not fucking rocket science and it shows just how fucking ignorant you peasants are that nobody before me noticed it.

So if you can't be fucked getting rid of the image then I suppose nobody would mind if I posted the guy's full name and home address here on this thread.
Seems you're making a proverbial mountain out of the molehill, that you're over-indulging in some umbrage. If I'm not mistaken that screen shot was posted first on Pharyngula by the guy in question himself and then by Nugent. Hardly seems to qualify as "doxxing" - here at least - if the guy posted such identifying information himself first.

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screwtape wrote:It's been two weeks since Jerry Coyne wrote his aside about a blog network dedicated to drama and Pizzle's non-reality-based reply to it. And I wonder why only now he becomes cross enough to toss it out to his readers for their civilised comments. Do you think there have been e-mails flitting back and forth between Chicago and Morris remarkably similar to those that flew between Ireland and Morris a few weeks back? Has Pizzle burned another bridge?
Myers burnt that bridge years ago.

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Tigzy wrote:Here's Ophie's blogpost I referred to: http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ith-women/

The 'Original Cindy' mentioned in the comments is the person who actually named the name - as you can see, her comments have been purged. In fact, the comments are a bit of mess there, owing to Ofie's protect-the-women stance. Ie, protect herself from being sued unto the bra off her back.

The final comment there is pretty *snort*worthy, IMO:
Alethea H. "Crocoduck" Dundee says

September 26, 2012 at 1:54 am

Hi Ophelia, glad to see the cleanup; I would not want you in legal danger.
It's comical how Ophelia always makes sure you know she's got the lowdown, she's in the loop, connected, hooked up, when she's too chicken to do anything about it.

http://imgur.com/53pumbt.png

And that jackass _Martin Robbins_ was a SitP regular at the time, he had to know. He went after Bora Zivkovic like he was chasing a werewolf and the guy never groped anyone. But he was an ocean apart and no danger to brave _Martin_.

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Kirbmarc wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:False accusers, of whatever crime, should serve the maximum jail time usually sentenced to the person accused of the crime. Plus a few extra years for obvious malicious intent.

I do not feel merciful towards false accusations and accusers.
So if you falsely accuse someone of murder in the US, should you get the death penalty?

False accusers get away scot-free too many times, but there's a proportionality to sentences that should never be forgotten. Laws are aimed to prevent crimes, by isolating the offenders from society and by dissuading others from following their steps. They're not a tool to mete out emotionally charged punishment on the criminals.

Violent crimes get longer sentences because the offenders exposed themselves as persons who are prone to violence and require a long time of rehabilitation before they are reintroduced to society.Some violent crimes are even deemed to be committed by people who are very unlikely to be rehabilitated and too risky to be let out of prison.

A false accusation, however, isn't a violent crime. People who falsely accuse others aren't likely to harm others with their lies after they've been publicly exposed as a liar. If people know that you falsely accused someone, they're not going to believe you. False accusers may be morally depraved people, but they're far less harmful to society than violent criminal, once they've been publicly exposed as frauds. On the other hand someone who falsely accuse someone else doesn't do it on a whim (unless they're a pathological liar) and will probably at least entertain the idea of being exposed (even if they're are pathological liar). Five to ten years for a false accusation of rape should be enough to make people think twice before falsely accusing someone else.
Most criminal acts are out of self-interest or momentary anger. False accusations are arguably usually motivated by calculated malice and designed to deprive someone of years of life, possibly effectively ruining their life in the process. On what basis do you make the 5-10 determination? Sentences are also proportional to the seriousness of the crime, and trying to deprive someone of their freedom is extremely serious. It is also an expensive waste of state resources.

On a tangential issue, I also think that a prosecutor who knowingly hides exculpatory evidence in a capital murder case should be tried for attempted manslaughter. I know that prosecutors are immune, at least in the US.

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