I do not see this as of 9.26PM CST. THIS IS WHY A QUICK AND SIMPLE SCREENGRAB IS INFINITELY BETTER THAN C/PING THE TEXT. GET IT IN CONTEXT WHILE IT STILL EXISTS.[/quote]ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
Nerd of Redhead admits PZ's words are fuckwittery. So beautiful.Eskarina wrote:Don't burst a vessel. :naughty:ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote: I do not see this as of 9.26PM CST. THIS IS WHY A QUICK AND SIMPLE SCREENGRAB IS INFINITELY BETTER THAN C/PING THE TEXT. GET IT IN CONTEXT WHILE IT STILL EXISTS.
http://i.imgur.com/1eQoJja.jpg
For the record, calling people you don't like 'it' is one of my least favorite Horde-isms, and I'd prefer not to see it take root here.Really? wrote:
Hmm...Daz is smarter than it looks.
I love the weird logic that allows Nerd to completely ignore PZ as the source of the quotes at the same time. It must require quite impressive mental gymnastics to overcome the strong cognitive dissonance.Southern wrote:Nerd of Redhead admits PZ's words are fuckwittery. So beautiful.Eskarina wrote:Don't burst a vessel. :naughty:ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote: I do not see this as of 9.26PM CST. THIS IS WHY A QUICK AND SIMPLE SCREENGRAB IS INFINITELY BETTER THAN C/PING THE TEXT. GET IT IN CONTEXT WHILE IT STILL EXISTS.
For the record, I did not know which preferred pronoun applied, therefore I used the most generic one I could think of.bovarchist wrote:For the record, calling people you don't like 'it' is one of my least favorite Horde-isms, and I'd prefer not to see it take root here.Really? wrote:
Hmm...Daz is smarter than it looks.
Sadly that is some people's preferred pronouns.bovarchist wrote:For the record, calling people you don't like 'it' is one of my least favorite Horde-isms, and I'd prefer not to see it take root here.Really? wrote: Hmm...Daz is smarter than it looks.
There's the possibility, however remote, that Benson's unqualified support of Charlie Hebdo might make her Witch of the Week too.NoGodsEver wrote:Avicenna last week, the PZ troll this week. How could next week compare? If Watson is forced to apologize for doxing to stay on Patreon that would offically make this the best January ever.
:-) “Ask and it shall be givenâ€: “the words of the prophets are written on the subway walls†…. ;-)James Caruthers wrote:Otherkins should have their voting rights revoked. How can we rely on mentally-unstable people to form our public policy?ROBOKiTTY wrote:I'm starting to think you're related to Uncle Parsehole.James Caruthers wrote: In my humble opinion, if an illegal "immigrant" should be given a driver's license, then there is no reason whatsoever to prevent a felon from voting OR owning a firearm, especially as many felonies are not firearm-related.
....
Incidentally, why is the word "nigger" acceptable to use, again? I seem to recall someone advancing a theory that the word was as appropriate to use as any other offensive insult, but I have forgotten the logic they employed to arrive at this revolutionary conclusion. If only this brave visionary was present to explain their mindset.
[.youtube]0u8teXR8VE4[/youtube]
He is Tom Parsons from 1984.Aneris wrote:Nerd of Redhead never disappoints. In some sense he is the quintessential FTB regular. One set of rules for his ingroup (everything goes) and another set for the outgroup (impossible to meet standards, citations for everything, even opnions et cetera).
Being a bottle washer at a water testing facility would be incredibly racist, considering how many PoCs around the world face water insecurity.MacGruberKnows wrote:
He is Tom Parsons from 1984.
When I go to Panda's Thumb you don't have to tell me who the scientists are. I can figure out who has a degree in paleontology or developmental biology or quantum mechanics, etc. from their posts. Harshman, Davidson, phylogenes come to mind, and if I spent 10 minutes at PT about 10 more would come to mind.
PZ is obviously trained in biology. Back in the day when he wrote blog posts like "Deep Homologies in the Zebrafish" he explained the complicated diagrams and chemistry for the common folk like me. Then he found he could take 10 minutes to do an "I am outraged" hot button post for the always frothing SJW's and get 10 times the hits, and the rest is history.
But has anyone ever seen anything by Nerd that suggests he is anything more than a bottle washer at a water-testing facility or the like? Anything where he goes into a detailed analysis of something that requires a degree in biology, chemistry, physics, anything. Because I have never seen it.
:bjarte:Steersman wrote::-) “Ask and it shall be givenâ€: “the words of the prophets are written on the subway walls†…. ;-)James Caruthers wrote:Otherkins should have their voting rights revoked. How can we rely on mentally-unstable people to form our public policy?ROBOKiTTY wrote:I'm starting to think you're related to Uncle Parsehole.
- James Caruthers: In my humble opinion, if an illegal "immigrant" should be given a driver's license, then there is no reason whatsoever to prevent a felon from voting OR owning a firearm, especially as many felonies are not firearm-related.
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Incidentally, why is the word "nigger" acceptable to use, again? I seem to recall someone advancing a theory that the word was as appropriate to use as any other offensive insult, but I have forgotten the logic they employed to arrive at this revolutionary conclusion. If only this brave visionary was present to explain their mindset.
[.youtube]0u8teXR8VE4[/youtube]
But a TL;DR: “cunt is to sexism as nigger is to racism†– toujours le contexte, toujours le contexte; if one insists on the "truth" - or falsity - of the first construction then one "must", perforce - mutatis mutandis (h/t Justicar) - accept the same in the second. Although I seem to recollect that ROBOKiTTY wasn’t much impressed with the logic there, with that particular analogy – despite not offering much in the way of a credible rebuttal ….
Perfect. Especially the picture. The horde is so used to zealously parroting the official truth of the day, that they've lost the plot completely.Aneris wrote:Truth in Television:
http://i.imgur.com/uxt8hWu.jpgSurrounded by Idiots wrote: Sometimes, it seems like the lead antagonist has deliberately chosen the most incompetent, craven, cowardly, or just plain unreliable underlings around... the trope often culminates in a Dragon that, instead of being the best of what the lower ranks has to offer, seems to be a living distillation of everything that makes the incompetent underlings what they are. This version is often punctuated by having the right-hand man actually secretly trying to undermine and/or replace the Evil Overlord, but just too incompetent to be a real threat.
Of course, the simplest answer for why the evil master is surrounded by idiots is because you'd have to be stupid to work for him. The underlings' being Too Dumb to Live may well explain why they continue to work for an abusive employer, but we still have to wonder why the Evil Overlord hired them in the first place.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Muppet
A person who is ignorant and generally has no idea about anything.
Don't talk to me like ya know me, ya muppet
10 WORDS RELATED TO MUPPET
muppets idiot fool stupid retard twat moron puppet numpty gonzo
Yes, quite true. Saw her recently get kind of up on her high-horse over a supposedly "sneery" comment directed at some of the CH victims. As if she herself was personally the target.Aneris wrote:Ophelia Benson was very unfair a few times, but I don’t hold grudges against her.
Absolument! [#JeSuisCharlie] But quite true. Often wondered about that myself; I've kind of figured it's partly related to an inability to comprehend basic statistical concepts; really a rather serious mental block in being unable to differentiate between the group and the individual - maybe part of identarian politics & philosophies.Aneris wrote:And what was [Ophelia's] crime? The article was about women’s health and home lobby rulings, and it assumes sexual dimorphism and statistical averages. Such ideas don’t sit well with the social justice warrior contingent. Too bad that the people with one eye, the people with less than 10 fingers, less than two arms, people with just one kidney and so on don't have their neat platonic category.
:shock: :lol: I resemble that!Aneris wrote:I really wonder how we would refer to anything if that were the case. Statements would be filled with even more hedging than a Steersman-sentence.
Ah, now I see.Southern wrote:Nerd of Redhead admits PZ's words are fuckwittery. So beautiful.Eskarina wrote:Don't burst a vessel. :naughty:ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote: I do not see this as of 9.26PM CST. THIS IS WHY A QUICK AND SIMPLE SCREENGRAB IS INFINITELY BETTER THAN C/PING THE TEXT. GET IT IN CONTEXT WHILE IT STILL EXISTS.
http://i.imgur.com/1eQoJja.jpg
Aneris wrote:How can support for Charlie Hebdo be controversial on a “freethought†(or atheist) network?
:ninja:
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/KF3K7Ja_C5U/movie ... v=4e728829Steersman wrote::-) “Ask and it shall be givenâ€: “the words of the prophets are written on the subway walls†…. ;-)James Caruthers wrote: Otherkins should have their voting rights revoked. How can we rely on mentally-unstable people to form our public policy?
....
Incidentally, why is the word "nigger" acceptable to use, again? I seem to recall someone advancing a theory that the word was as appropriate to use as any other offensive insult, but I have forgotten the logic they employed to arrive at this revolutionary conclusion. If only this brave visionary was present to explain their mindset.
[.youtube]0u8teXR8VE4[/youtube]
But a TL;DR: “cunt is to sexism as nigger is to racism†– toujours le contexte, toujours le contexte; if one insists on the "truth" - or falsity - of the first construction then one "must", perforce - mutatis mutandis (h/t Justicar) - accept the same in the second. Although I seem to recollect that ROBOKiTTY wasn’t much impressed with the logic there, with that particular analogy – despite not offering much in the way of a credible rebuttal ….
>post about other subjectsAneris wrote:
:bjarte:
Free speech is okay, but what about feelz? Surely this is much more important. :naughty:Aneris wrote:How can support for Charlie Hebdo be controversial on a “freethought†(or atheist) network? It won't get in my little head, even when I perfectly know about the social justice warriors. How is this possible? It's really time they say goodbye from this “movement†and set sail to social justice utopia island. You can really have any opinion or do whatever you want, and be interested in anything, but you can't join a swimming club and expect to not get wet. You can't join a death metal band, then demand everyone plays funk — but no guitars please, they're noisy. And how long is this idiot “movement†watching this, before someone of repute asks the hard sceptical questions about this?
Welcome and fuck off.Kendo wrote:Hello to the pit of slyminess. I,ve been reading here for a while but haven't posted before. I find that by the time I catch up, anything serious I would have said has already been said. I used to read Pharyngula and I recognise some of the posters here, from the old days. I didn't post there much either; apart from occasional snark.
Anyway I had to stand and applaude the latest deliberate tours de force. Well done you fuckers! :clap:
I'm sorry, Old_ones. Please forgive me on this wonderful day (aside from the fact that I wish the French gunmen could have been taken alive, but I understand that's really hard to do).Old_ones wrote::ninja:
WotAAAAA!!!
WMD_Kitty responds:"Do you really believe that the US is THE violator of human rights on the planet. Does the US have a worse human rights record than China, Russia, Saudia Arabia, Venezuela, and Iran to name a few?"
I don’t know enough about all of that to say definitively whether the US is “worseâ€.
I can say, however, that the US is pretty fucking awful on some fronts, human rights being one of them. We could do far worse, yes, but we should be doing far better.
Ignorance is no excuse and would normally not last long.Garlix wrote:Aneris wrote:How can support for Charlie Hebdo be controversial on a “freethought†(or atheist) network?
Part of it is language barrier. Part of it is lack of context (e.g. the Christiane Taubira ''monkey' pic). Part of it is that Charlie was often just plain outrageous (the Boko Haram girls).
Part of it is that the sample of pictures that people have seen recently is obviously biased towards Islam-bashing, for obvious reasons. So it may create an impression that Charlie were just one-trick ponies constantly beating on the muslims, and by extension Arab migrants, as is in fashion in certain circles. This is the exact opposite of the truth, but I can see how well-meaning non-Francophones could easily believe that from recent coverage.
Then you have just plain bald-faced liars like Glen Greenwald saying that Charlie didn't criticize Israel. No, I'm not linking. You guys are annoyed at FTB, but IMO Greenwald just broke the FTB ethical floor right there.
No need to apologize. I'm just giving you crap.Really? wrote:I'm sorry, Old_ones. Please forgive me on this wonderful day (aside from the fact that I wish the French gunmen could have been taken alive, but I understand that's really hard to do).Old_ones wrote::ninja:
WotAAAAA!!!
And some of these:Old_ones wrote:Welcome and fuck off.Kendo wrote:Hello to the pit of slyminess. I,ve been reading here for a while but haven't posted before. I find that by the time I catch up, anything serious I would have said has already been said. I used to read Pharyngula and I recognise some of the posters here, from the old days. I didn't post there much either; apart from occasional snark.
Anyway I had to stand and applaude the latest deliberate tours de force. Well done you fuckers! :clap:
Here are some lynx for you:
http://targetcenter.s3.amazonaws.com/im ... x_2012.jpg
No, you can't prove anything outside logical systems.Daz: Keeper of the Hairy-Eared Dwarf Lemur of Atheism wrote:Weird.
Agree with PZ Myers on Every Fucking Thing: HIVEMIND! SYCOPHANTS!
Disagree with some things PZ Myers has said* on One Single Topic: HYPOCRITES!
Slymepit logic; how does it work?
*Has he since changed his mind on those things? I don’t know.
Would I have agreed with him at that time, in those contexts? I don’t know, but I don’t now, assuming the quotes were even in context, my own thinking on this general topic having certainly changed over time.
So what has been proved? Fuck all.
Assuming because someone said or did something wrong, then everything they say or do is wrong.
Using age (ageism) as an insult (as in “old white dudeâ€)
MRAs.
Failing to understand the power of privilege if you have it.
Using claims of privilege as an excuse to shut down legitimate arguments from those who have it.
Thinking any/every criticism of Islam is Islamophobic racism.
Thinking every Muslim is a potential terrorist.
Social Justice Warrior used as a derogatory term.
Single-issue social justice warriors determined to define everybody outside certain narrow parameters as enemies.
Feminist used as a derogatory term.
Universal acceptance of everything from Freethought Blogs.
Universal hatred of everything from Freethought Blogs.
Much of what is posted at the #FTBully hashtag.
Doxxing of opponents who offer no threat of harm, physical or otherwise.
Harassers who call their victims doxxers when called out publicly for bad,
even criminal, behavior.
Professional victimhood.
Automatically assuming all victims are liars, exaggerators, or professional victims.
Thinking that name-calling and threats of death or rape or other violence
Makes any sort of point.
Thinking that sexual harassment and sexual assault is a made-up problem.
Opposing organizations’ having professional policies to address the problem.
Thinking every violation of a set of personal invisible boundaries, whether
intentional or not, equals harassment or assault.
Thinking anybody has the right be free from being offended.
The #Gamergate hashtag. (I know this isn’t exactly our community but there’s some overlap)
Much of what comes out of the Slymepit.
Some of what comes out of the A+ forums.
Clickbait.
Women who call other women cunts.
Deliberately misunderstanding someone’s point.
Deliberately mischaracterizing someone’s point.
A startling and stunning lack of empathy.
I know shit all about global politics or religion, but while I am not saying that is not a sincere statement, I also wonder how much is an Iranian "suggested" message to his followers as well as to the US.Steersman wrote:An interesting development:
Hezbollah Chief Nasrallah: Extremists Harm Islam More Than Cartoons
What has it proved?Aneris wrote:No, you can't prove anything outside logical systems.Daz: Keeper of the Hairy-Eared Dwarf Lemur of Atheism wrote:Weird.
Agree with PZ Myers on Every Fucking Thing: HIVEMIND! SYCOPHANTS!
Disagree with some things PZ Myers has said* on One Single Topic: HYPOCRITES!
Slymepit logic; how does it work?
*Has he since changed his mind on those things? I don’t know.
Would I have agreed with him at that time, in those contexts? I don’t know, but I don’t now, assuming the quotes were even in context, my own thinking on this general topic having certainly changed over time.
So what has been proved? Fuck all.
No, you didn't disagree with PZ Myers, but with kolnnauzer (who used PZM words as his)
No, nobody is stating PZM never changed his mind, or can't change his mind.
No, disagreement is not hypocrisy. Not even in one thread.
No, full agreement or thinking alike on something can't be an issue. “Sycophancy†or “hivemind†are rhetorical terms — polemics — not logical, or scientific concepts.
No, I don't make this about “FTB logicâ€, as tempting it is.
Seem to be some plausible conjectures. But certainly a rather convoluted situation, particularly as the US may be playing both sides against the middle in supporting both Saudi Arabia and Iran against ISIS. And while I'm certainly not knowledgeable about all the ins and outs either, I seem to recollect that the Sunni branch [Saudi Arabia], and the Shia branch [Iran] of Islam have very different views on the depictions of Muhammad - which might have been part of the reason for that response from Nasrallah.JacquesCuze wrote:I know shit all about global politics or religion, but while I am not saying that is not a sincere statement, I also wonder how much is an Iranian "suggested" message to his followers as well as to the US.Steersman wrote:An interesting development:
Hezbollah Chief Nasrallah: Extremists Harm Islam More Than Cartoons
Presumably ISIS has made bedfellows of the US and Iran, and a more moderate Hezbollah would be a likely outcome.
PZ HAS ALWAYS SIDED WITH OPPRESSED MUSLIM TERRORISTS.Old_ones wrote:What has it proved?Aneris wrote:No, you can't prove anything outside logical systems.Daz: Keeper of the Hairy-Eared Dwarf Lemur of Atheism wrote:Weird.
Agree with PZ Myers on Every Fucking Thing: HIVEMIND! SYCOPHANTS!
Disagree with some things PZ Myers has said* on One Single Topic: HYPOCRITES!
Slymepit logic; how does it work?
*Has he since changed his mind on those things? I don’t know.
Would I have agreed with him at that time, in those contexts? I don’t know, but I don’t now, assuming the quotes were even in context, my own thinking on this general topic having certainly changed over time.
So what has been proved? Fuck all.
No, you didn't disagree with PZ Myers, but with kolnnauzer (who used PZM words as his)
No, nobody is stating PZM never changed his mind, or can't change his mind.
No, disagreement is not hypocrisy. Not even in one thread.
No, full agreement or thinking alike on something can't be an issue. “Sycophancy†or “hivemind†are rhetorical terms — polemics — not logical, or scientific concepts.
No, I don't make this about “FTB logicâ€, as tempting it is.
Well, nothing formally. That aside I think it provides decently good evidence that:
1) The 'boons care more about who an opinion comes from than the actual content of that opinion
2) Some of us are allowed the privilege of evolving our opinions while other people quickly become unpersons for expressing thoughtcrime.
3) The 'boons don't have a very good memory for what dear leader has proclaimed in the past, and generally forget what the last official truth was, as soon as a new one is drafted.
And the poll numbers go on and on. And don't get better.World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose)
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans:
(Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%)
About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/ ... 09_rpt.pdf
Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/musli ... df#page=60
Nice find.another lurker wrote:http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wwjtd/2015 ... community/
Assuming because someone said or did something wrong, then everything they say or do is wrong.
Using age (ageism) as an insult (as in “old white dudeâ€)
<snip>
Social Justice Warrior used as a derogatory term.
Single-issue social justice warriors determined to define everybody outside certain narrow parameters as enemies.
Feminist used as a derogatory term.
Universal acceptance of everything from Freethought Blogs.
Universal hatred of everything from Freethought Blogs.
<snip>
The #Gamergate hashtag. (I know this isn’t exactly our community but there’s some overlap)
Much of what comes out of the Slymepit.
Some of what comes out of the A+ forums.
Clickbait.
<snip>
A startling and stunning lack of empathy.
With the second sentence apparently being a rather succinct definition for the first one, and a credible basis or justification for the derogation.Social Justice Warrior used as a derogatory term.
Single-issue social justice warriors determined to define everybody outside certain narrow parameters as enemies.
You might try actually engaging them directly on Pharyngula; you're more likely to generate some illumination doing so than expecting them to show up here.Aneris wrote:No, you can't prove anything outside logical systems.Daz: Keeper of the Hairy-Eared Dwarf Lemur of Atheism wrote:Weird.
Agree with PZ Myers on Every Fucking Thing: HIVEMIND! SYCOPHANTS!
Disagree with some things PZ Myers has said* on One Single Topic: HYPOCRITES!
Slymepit logic; how does it work?
....
So what has been proved? Fuck all.
<snip>
No, I don't make this about “FTB logicâ€, as tempting it is.
I'd love to, but PZ banned me. I guess I was spewing too much "fuckwittery", as Nerd would have put it.You might try actually engaging them directly on Pharyngula; you're more likely to generate some illumination doing so than expecting them to show up here.
Quelle surprise.Kirbmarc wrote:I'd love to, but PZ banned me. I guess I was spewing too much "fuckwittery", as Nerd would have put it.You might try actually engaging them directly on Pharyngula; you're more likely to generate some illumination doing so than expecting them to show up here.
It's even worse: all kinds of speech are "harassment" or "bigoted" when they're made by aSkep tickle wrote:I think I'm starting to understand:
Unfettered speech is admirable "satire" when its target is something you don't value or believe in, but it's despicable "harassment" when its target is something you do value & believe in.
(The general "you", not any 1 or more "yous" in particular)
