If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

Personally, I'd have no problem with Muslamic Mean Time as the international reference, as long as Big Ben still points to Mecca five times a day.

My last quote is from saad, not Myers. But since he's a Pharyngulite who has commented on the post I think I can use his own words agianst him and the other members of the Horde.

Mentioning Pat Condell will nuke the comment section

I already posted that one!

Cunt of Personality wrote:

T Rekt wrote:New here (more or less).

I've never been so happy reading PZ's blog. Good work!

First post is a double post. Legendary. You'll fit right in here.

Didn't want to set expectations too high right away. But I will make amends for my double posting. I hear you guys love pointy tits.

http://i.imgur.com/0URFlQ5.jpg

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:

Skep tickle wrote:

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:And honestly, every muslim in France needs to be out on the streets tomorrow morning -- not protesting the murders, but rather supporting free speech. If not, they should get the fuck out.

To riff off of "America - love it or leave it!" from the '60's or 70's, what you & Steers have written looks to me like: "You're in a country that supports free speech - support that stance yourself or leave for a country that doesn't!"

It's the old problem of how to be a tolerant society/group/etc yet include people who are intolerant. ....

The right to free speech does include the right to speak out against free speech. The accommodating mechanism for that is the right to free speech in & of itself.

What has been going on for too long is accommodating or coddling religious beliefs from ridicule or criticism. We are told we must 'respect" the beliefs of others. Sorry, but I do not respect the idiotic belief that a book has magical powers.

Yes, quite agree. Essentially T.H. Huxley’s argument that I quoted earlier: Delenda est.

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:NB: I've suggested that moslems in western societies, who cannot accept that free speech means others can & will draw pictures of their prophet or otherwise 'blaspheme' * their religion, should move to an islamist theocracy. Steers has advocated forcible expulsion based solely on religion. I am completely opposed to that.

“Forcible expulsion” might be somewhat impractical. But closing the borders to further Muslim immigration might be a reasonable start, particularly for those who identify as fundamentalist – and they could easily be identified as any who won’t (for example) piss on the Quran. And you might consider that we – i.e., many countries – already have a “means test” for those wishing to immigrate; seems rather clear, with a stark object lesson staring us in the face, that fundamentalist Muslims simply lack the means or willingness to function in Western democracies.

Fuck ’em; fuck ’em all. Gazillions of people who would give their eye-teeth to immigrate here – and we’re going to allow in fundamentalists who are, virtually, congenitally unable to integrate with the rest of us?

And I rather doubt “forcible expulsion”, or a reasonable facsimile thereof, is or really should be off the table. For instance you might note the Wikipedia article on population transfers, particularly the one that took place between Greece and Turkey in 1923. Offering free passage to the Islamic country of their choice – as seems to have been the case then – might be a reasonable carrot; with a possible “stick” being the banning of their religion. Many forget that freedom of religion isn’t an absolute – and when push comes to shove is when it needs to be emphasized, in no compromising terms, that other principles hold greater sway. In any case, do note the following about that particular transfer:

Population exchange of 1923

Main article: Population exchange between Greece and Turkey

Greek refugees from Smyrna, 1922

The League of Nations defined those to be mutually expelled as the "Muslim inhabitants of Greece" to Turkey and moving "the Christian Orthodox inhabitants of Turkey" to Greece. The plan met with fierce opposition in both countries and was condemned vigorously by a large number of countries. Undeterred, Fridtjof Nansen worked with both Greece and Turkey to gain their acceptance of the proposed population exchange. About 1.5 million Christians and half a million Muslims were moved from one side of the international border to the other.

By the time the Exchange was to take effect (1 May 1923), most of the pre-war Orthodox Greek population of Aegean Turkey had already fled. The Exchange therefore only involved the Greeks of central Anatolia (both Greek and Turkish speaking), and the Greeks of Pontus, a total of roughly 189,916.[15] The total number of Muslims involved was 354,647.[16]

Population transfer prevented further attacks on minorities in the respective states while Nansen was awarded a Nobel Prize for Peace. As a result of the transfers, the Muslim minority in Greece and the Greek minority in Turkey were much reduced. Cyprus and the Dodecanese were not included in the Greco-Turkish population transfer of 1923 because they were under direct British and Italian control respectively.

Y’all can just send me my Nobel Peace Prize here care of Lsuoma ....

Most of my friends and family are appalled by the attacks in France, and are very #jesuisCharlie atm. But there are sadly a couple of extended family members that I'm going to have to sideeye for the rest of my life now. Because they're all "well, the French did bomb the Rainbow Warrior, so what's the difference?" and "well, they were pretty racist, so they kind of had it coming". I don't want to start any family feuds when they're extended family on my spouse's side, but they're more or less dead to me now when it comes to respecting anything they have to say. It's fucking disappointing.

Cunt of Personality wrote:Personally, I'd have no problem with Muslamic Mean Time as the international reference, as long as Big Ben still points to Mecca five times a day.

http://blog.pennlive.com/patriotnewsspo ... awsuit.jpg

Brive1987 wrote:

Aw, don't ruin it!

And now a brief interlude in honour of Phil:

[youtube]zEmsi2ucDdw[/youtube]

Kirbmarc wrote:I need new material, but all the other posts from Peezus about Islam are either shorter than Ophelia Benson's original content or about Muslim creationism.

These would need some Avicennaing but the sentiment is appropriate:

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010 ... ee-speech/

I think it’s only appropriate that Vilks’ sketch of Mohammed as a mangy cur should receive wider circulation because of the vileness of their response.

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010 ... ked-again/

In an undoubtably futile attempt to forestall what I expect will be common objections to this story here, I know that there are political ramifications to the cartoons of Mohammed. I know that many of them were motivated by racism and xenophobia. In this instance, though, I don’t care. Vilks drew a sketch. His enemies set his house on fire.

Absolutely brilliant trolling.

It really shows the in-group, out-group dynamics of this cult.

I can't even count properly, laughing tears to blame...

Are FreeThoughtBlog commentariat (regular posters) authoritarians?
Confirmed. Presented with views from their host but without the attribution and the belief it is some out-grouper they strongly disagree with the views as posted, something they don't usually do when PZ Myers posts his views under his name. #OperationAvicenna

Are social justice warriors (e.g. regular posters on FTB) Islam Accommodationists?
Confirmed. While many writers and commenters on FTB, criticise Islam, too, the group of core users at FTB strongly believes this is racism or islamophobia. They are positively accommodationists, unusal for a blog that once was known for a very anti-theistic slant.

Thanks to everyone who's been hunting for links. It's been a lot of fun so far. I can't wait for PZ to find out what happened.

I've decided against posting the "hand grenade" until the very end of this game. I'll post it unedited, so even the Pharyngula regulars will figure out what happened. PZ's casual "racism" about fleas and camels to represent muslims will be the cherry on top of his "Islamophobic" comments.

Aneris wrote:Have you used these? Make sure you don't use some twice. ;)

[misquote]http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011 ... f-him-not/
Son, we live in a world where some Muslims will kill random people if someone insults their magic, holy book. [/misquote]

I sense a mashup. Wish I were smart enough to write one.

Brive, you are an impatient bastard. Let 'em stew a bit longer.

Kirbmarc wrote:Thanks to everyone who's been hunting for links. It's been a lot of fun so far. I can't wait for PZ to find out what happened.

I've decided against posting the "hand grenade" until the very end of this game. I'll post it unedited, so even the Pharyngula regulars will figure out what happened. PZ's casual "racism" about fleas and camels to represent muslims will be the cherry on top of his "Islamophobic" comments.

You might "strike while the iron is hot" - so to speak. And archive as you do so. PZ has a known tendency to delete comments of any who are known to be SlymePitters.

If only we get the big fish to bite—for Pizzle himself to threaten kolnnauzer with a ban. That would be delicious....

From that Peez Islam thread:

SallyStrange

9 January 2015 at 4:42 pm

Killing is so much more dramatic when done with guns and bombs; Christian terrorists these days get elected to state and national legislatures and kill people with laws.

I really fucking hate this “which religion is worse” conversation. It’s bloody pointless and it’s obvious that racism is the main animus behind all the anti-Islam sentiment. Looking at the various religions without that racial animus yields helpful, nuanced observations. With the racial animus, you get this simplistic insistence that Islam is the worst of the worst, somehow uniquely prone to violence and full of savage, bloodthirsty, cowardly, misogynist believers. The end result of all of THAT is things like the incident a few weeks ago in Michigan where a Muslim teenager became a double amputee because some bigot decided that he wanted to run down Muslims with his car, or the 2012 shooting at a Wisconsin Sikh temple that left 6 people, including the shooter, dead, or the multiple attacks on mosques and visibly Muslim people currently proliferating in France

Icing on the cake? Nerd of Redhead stomping in there to do a *FLOOSH* your fuckwittery is dismissed on K.

The thread is well baited you just have to be patient to hook some more of them first.

Steersman wrote:

Kirbmarc wrote:Thanks to everyone who's been hunting for links. It's been a lot of fun so far. I can't wait for PZ to find out what happened.

I've decided against posting the "hand grenade" until the very end of this game. I'll post it unedited, so even the Pharyngula regulars will figure out what happened. PZ's casual "racism" about fleas and camels to represent muslims will be the cherry on top of his "Islamophobic" comments.

You might "strike while the iron is hot" - so to speak. And archive as you do so. PZ has a known tendency to delete comments of any who are known to be SlymePitters.

I hope you gave him a funny fake e-mail address for when he wants to post it.

screwtape wrote:Brive, you are an impatient bastard. Let 'em stew a bit longer.

Oh really at this point it's icing on icing. :lol: :lol:

Apologies if that's what you wanted - but I'd recommend the Big Bang now mid stream before they figure it out and claim they knew all along.

screwtape wrote:Brive, you are an impatient bastard. Let 'em stew a bit longer.

Oh really at this point it's icing on icing. :lol: :lol:

Apologies if that's what you wanted - but I'd recommend the Big Bang now mid stream before they figure it out and claim they knew all along.

You might "strike while the iron is hot" - so to speak. And archive as you do so. PZ has a known tendency to delete comments of any who are known to be SlymePitters.

Yeah, you're right. Time to end the game. CHECKMATE PZ.

Here's my last comment (tell me when you want me to post it, then I'll archive the page):

I am infested with the fleas of a thousand camels. One unfortunate side-effect of this trip to Ireland and the UK is that I have publicly engaged with Muslim creationists — there’s a bit of a dearth of them in Morris, Minnesota, and the few Muslims I have met there are there for the university, and are educated and intelligent — but now I’m on their radar, and my inbox has a new, exotic stench to it.

Source: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011 ... -email-84/

Disclaimer: all the previous comments are direct quotes from PZ Myers. Except from comment 374, which is a quote from saad's 9 October 2014 at 10:02 am comment on the post titled "Ben Affleck, you are not helping".

So the "Islamophobic bullshit" you have been criticizing so harshly is simply a collection of what PZ Myers (and in one instance saad) has written on Islam.

Fuck.

I hope you gave him a funny fake e-mail address for when he wants to post it.

I used a throwaway email.

Try this first
"In Iraq, women who violate “Islamic teachings” are tortured and murdered. The “Islamic teachings” that are so important that violators must be tortured and beheaded involve wearing a headscarf."

"the uniform application of secular law is what a civilized society demands, not a patchwork of piecemeal laws which apply differently to different people, and especially not the corrupting insanity of irrational, hateful, vile nonsense like Islam."

from

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008 ... -misogyny/

Dick Strawkins wrote:Try this first
"In Iraq, women who violate “Islamic teachings” are tortured and murdered. The “Islamic teachings” that are so important that violators must be tortured and beheaded involve wearing a headscarf."

"the uniform application of secular law is what a civilized society demands, not a patchwork of piecemeal laws which apply differently to different people, and especially not the corrupting insanity of irrational, hateful, vile nonsense like Islam."

from

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008 ... -misogyny/

I've just posted it, thank you!

I'd change it "all my previous comments" for clarity. It would be nice to catch the first few comments before the thread disappears, as I expect it will. It's beyond being sanitized by deleting your posts—too many quotes of them by respondents.

Kirbmarc wrote:

Dick Strawkins wrote:Try this first
"In Iraq, women who violate “Islamic teachings” are tortured and murdered. The “Islamic teachings” that are so important that violators must be tortured and beheaded involve wearing a headscarf."

"the uniform application of secular law is what a civilized society demands, not a patchwork of piecemeal laws which apply differently to different people, and especially not the corrupting insanity of irrational, hateful, vile nonsense like Islam."

from

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008 ... -misogyny/

I've just posted it, thank you!

Fucking amazing :clap:

FUCKING GENIUS!

I bet PZ blames the Slymepit for plagiarising him! I bet fucking money on it.

Toasting in an epic bread

Freezepage of now, Operation Avicenna: PZ Myers on Islam
http://www.freezepage.com/1420844465LNEPQMZUGY

The last four posts don't reference you—I think Brive's tweet has come to light and they are pretending you're not there.

Hmm. I'm not seeing anything after Sally Strange @ 391 made about 10 minutes ago.

The only card they can play is to pretend it never happened.

Quietly delete the comments without a word, everyone just ignores that little incident, everything moves along.

Which is why this should happen at regular intervals to keep them on their toes. Like someone suggested earlier, use their own comment histories against them.

screwtape wrote:The last four posts don't reference you—I think Brive's tweet has come to light and they are pretending you're not there.

Time to end the game then. Should I write the last post and archive the thread?

screwtape wrote:The last four posts don't reference you—I think Brive's tweet has come to light and they are pretending you're not there.

It's like Peez has become their beloved but highly embarrasing uncle. 'Shhh. If you ignore him, he'll stop.' :lol:

Kirbmarc wrote:

screwtape wrote:The last four posts don't reference you—I think Brive's tweet has come to light and they are pretending you're not there.

Time to end the game then. Should I write the last post and archive the thread?

YES! This fucking suspense is killing me!

Kirbmarc wrote:

screwtape wrote:The last four posts don't reference you—I think Brive's tweet has come to light and they are pretending you're not there.

Time to end the game then. Should I write the last post and archive the thread?

yeah.

Eight posts since your last. I expect the 'Monitor Alerts' have been sent. Pull the pin.

Hahah so I am reading the comments from that LJF thread that I pasted earlier, and a french person is explaining that CH is satire, like Colbert, and that the writers didn't put 'this is satire' disclaimers over everything, because, just like with Colbert, the people 'got' it.

Well, the denizens of LJF respond with these brilliant rebuttals:

1) intent isn't magic

2) if someone thinks it's bigoted, it's bigoted

3) you're a right white man, what do you know!!!!!!!!!!!!

4) yeah, we are not french and we do not understand the context but that's ok, we are oppressed and you're not!!!!!!!!!

They read here too much for this to be kept secret too long.
Next time somebody does this don't let on until all the posts are out there (or tell people via PM and get the to spread the word secretly), then just sit back and bask in the replies.

Right white = rich white

Tony Parsehole wrote:They read here too much for this to be kept secret too long.
Next time somebody does this don't let on until all the posts are out there (or tell people via PM and get the to spread the word secretly), then just sit back and bask in the replies.

Fuck! I'm probably the one who screwed it up most egregiously. FUCKFUCKFUCK

Good work!!

Will it stay up I wonder, nobody has commented on the big reveal yet, much facepalming going on :laughing-lettersrofl:

Good work!!

Will it stay up I wonder, nobody has commented on the big reveal yet, much facepalming going on :laughing-lettersrofl:

Tony Parsehole wrote:They read here too much for this to be kept secret too long.
Next time somebody does this don't let on until all the posts are out there (or tell people via PM and get the to spread the word secretly), then just sit back and bask in the replies.

Yes, it should all be done in secret and archived to be revealed afterwards.

It's quite a fun game, though, trying to get Peezus to ban himself!
We'll have to try it again!

If anything, it'll make Myers worried every time he uses the ban hammer :lol:



https://archive.today/PYiW3

piero wrote:

Tony Parsehole wrote:They read here too much for this to be kept secret too long.
Next time somebody does this don't let on until all the posts are out there (or tell people via PM and get the to spread the word secretly), then just sit back and bask in the replies.

Fuck! I'm probably the one who screwed it up most egregiously. FUCKFUCKFUCK

Well, we've all learned. Next time will be even better.

Really? wrote:

Kirbmarc wrote:I have a hand grenade. A post by PZ Myers which contains a joke that the SJWs could find racist:

I am infested with the fleas of a thousand camels. One unfortunate side-effect of this trip to Ireland and the UK is that I have publicly engaged with Muslim creationists — there’s a bit of a dearth of them in Morris, Minnesota, and the few Muslims I have met there are there for the university, and are educated and intelligent — but now I’m on their radar, and my inbox has a new, exotic stench to it.

I'm thinking about posting it but I want to make it less recognizable. If I'll post it, I'm going to change "this trip to Ireland and the UK" with "commenting on the Internet about atheism" and "Morris, Minnesota" with "where I live" to make it a little harder for the Pharyngulites to figure out where the quote comes from.

Should I post the altered comment? It preserves the spirit of Myers' post, but I'm a little wary about changing a single word of his posts, because it could be said that I'm maliciously misquoting Myers (which isn't my intent).

What do you think?

Easy peasy. Just pop in the ellipsis. It will look like emotion or just Internet talk, but it will do its normal job: abbreviating a quotation.

I am infested with the fleas of a thousand camels . . . I have publicly engaged with Muslim creationists . . . now I’m on their radar, and my inbox has a new, exotic stench to it.

oh, I'm too late. I should learn to refresh the page. Damnit.

It's encouraging to see that the adherents to the living gospel of St Peezus of Morris are just as au fait with the Holy Words as religious zealots of various other stripes.

Game over!

Tony Parsehole wrote:They read here too much for this to be kept secret too long.
Next time somebody does this don't let on until all the posts are out there (or tell people via PM and get the to spread the word secretly), then just sit back and bask in the replies.

Yeah, it's right. Some of them fell for it, but not as many as I'd have hoped. And think about how deliciously ironic it would have been for Myers to ban himself or a collection of the greatest hits of his own top posters.

Has Myers banned himself yet?

It's not all that important, but on that comment thread where whosits is doing such a wonderfully perfect job of surreptitiously quoting PeeZus, they are also going apeshit over John Nyzell for supposedly doxxing Marilove, because he refers to her in the thread as Marilove, but Marilove is posting in the thread as Marilove. Anyone understand that? At all? I sure don't.

:doh:

Extra archive of pz myers vs pz myers thread.
https://archive.today/7vbRa

Analysis: The horde really hates pz myers if they don't know it's pz myers.

Kirbmarc wrote:Game over!

Tony Parsehole wrote:They read here too much for this to be kept secret too long.
Next time somebody does this don't let on until all the posts are out there (or tell people via PM and get the to spread the word secretly), then just sit back and bask in the replies.

Yeah, it's right. Some of them fell for it, but not as many as I'd have hoped. And think about how deliciously ironic it would have been for Myers to ban himself or a collection of the greatest hits of his own top posters.

You got Queer Shoop, who may be the dumbest person on the planet, so I'm happy.

JackSkeptic wrote:Has Myers banned himself yet?

Not yet, as far as I know.

John Greg wrote:It's not all that important, but on that comment thread where whosits is doing such a wonderfully perfect job of surreptitiously quoting PeeZus, they are also going apeshit over John Nyzell for supposedly doxxing Marilove, because he refers to her in the thread as Marilove, but Marilove is posting in the thread as Marilove. Anyone understand that? At all? I sure don't.

:doh:

He posted a full name earlier on in a few posts. I don't know if it was her real name or not but it's been changed now.

Really? wrote:

Kirbmarc wrote:Game over!

Tony Parsehole wrote:They read here too much for this to be kept secret too long.
Next time somebody does this don't let on until all the posts are out there (or tell people via PM and get the to spread the word secretly), then just sit back and bask in the replies.

Yeah, it's right. Some of them fell for it, but not as many as I'd have hoped. And think about how deliciously ironic it would have been for Myers to ban himself or a collection of the greatest hits of his own top posters.

You got Queer Shoop, who may be the dumbest person on the planet, so I'm happy.

Ya think?

SallyStrange

9 January 2015 at 5:26 pm

Firsttimereader and kolnnauzer are flailing and reaching, not thinking. As evidenced by the difficulty they have in avoiding hypocrisy and self-contradiction.

She wrote this after the pin was pulled, btw. Thus the 'not thinking' bit she put in there is most welcome.