Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

[windy]

Wow. The "start of another week" part just soaked in. MN is going to do this every Sunday until PZ apologizes???

Monday. Check your time zone privilege handicap, shitlord.

[Tapir]

And yet,somehow, here you are still alive. Who are the "you" you refer to? How the fuck do you know that I can't accept you since I haven't said anything to you? What percentage of the Pit has given you any grief despite your babbling on about your problem, which most people don't give a fuck about because it isn't relevant. You do realise that the humour police and button pushing bullies don't actually run this place?

Hold fire....I think Nec was responding to PZ's words rather than Brive's.

[BlueShiftRhino]

A few comments ago on MN's blog, I floated the idea that idea that "Andy" is actually Andy Lee. (I did this in a joke that Andy failed to understand [or admit to understanding].) What are the odds that my guess was correct?

[Pitchguest]

A few comments ago on MN's blog, I floated the idea that idea that "Andy" is actually Andy Lee. (I did this in a joke that Andy failed to understand [or admit to understanding].) What are the odds that my guess was correct?

Who?

[Matt Cavanaugh]

PZ tracks down the horde at SkeptiCON. "Yep, there's a couple right there"

Headkin registration opens at ParaphiliaCon 7!

[BlueShiftRhino]

A few comments ago on MN's blog, I floated the idea that idea that "Andy" is actually Andy Lee. (I did this in a joke that Andy failed to understand [or admit to understanding].) What are the odds that my guess was correct?

Who?

Note to self: lately, you have been increasingly off in most of what you have said on this and related blogs. In this case, you have confused the names "Andy" and "Adam." If you insist on coughing and, thereby, releasing chemicals that have been stored in phlegm since the mid-1970s, then you need to stay away from the keyboard. You're making an idiot of yourself. Repeatedly. That is all.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

I think the term you are struggling with PZ is "secular humanism"

Nice to see A Plus has become an epistemological thought bubble for FtB as well.

There was a workshop about Atheism+, and the inevitable question about what makes it different from humanism came up. For me, it’s an issue of epistemology. Humanism is about promoting cooperation and mutual aid among communities of human beings, without concern for why — you can be Christian or secular and a humanist. My humanism, though, is derived as a consequence of my atheism. The absence of a deity imposes on me an obligation to find values elsewhere, and has led to a convergence with humanist principles.

Where does the sex with dogs part come in?

[Gefan]

PZ tracks down the horde at SkeptiCON. "Yep, there's a couple right there"

If you click on the tweet you get a warning; "The following media may contain sensitive material".

In what way?

The picture contains multiple sensitive, special snowflakes?
Warning: picture of fat, cuttlefish fetishist?
Warning: abandon all hope - furries ahead?

[Shatterface as Guest]

Personal experience (aka anecdote) is data now. Using this logic, all sorts of things could be called "rare". Cancer, abortion, rape...

http://i.imgur.com/ri7kMUS.png?1

Besides, even if rare, all it would have taken is the one accusation to have ruined his career - if it had gone to investigation & "she said" was felt to be more believable than "he said" - as is urged for most other cases by PZ, Ophelia, their commenters, et al, and as PZ pointed out in his 2010 comment about the event, which Michael Nugent linked & quoted in his most recent post.

So if it's so damn rare how come he won't work alone with women?

We judge people on how they act not what they say. He acts like 'bitchez be crazy'.

- Shatterface

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

That Andy character at MN's is so fucking annoying to read, but I swear he is one of the best advertising for the stupidity of Pharyngulites. I think everyone should just ignore him and let him talk to himself until he gets bored or frustrated. Both of which would be equally funny.

[another lurker]

That Andy character at MN's is so fucking annoying to read, but I swear he is one of the best advertising for the stupidity of Pharyngulites. I think everyone should just ignore him and let him talk to himself until he gets bored or frustrated. Both of which would be equally funny.

I took a look and he is largely unintelligible.

[jimthepleb]

Andy says: Hurble burble, derpy doop woodle, misrepresentation, flrrrrp wibble wibble bing bong whappy ning-nong!'

[Matt Cavanaugh]

FYI, LIttle Paul's CV

2003- , Associate Professor, Division of Science and Math, University of Minnesota, Morris
2000-2003 , Assistant Professor, Division of Science and Math, University of Minnesota, Morris
1993-2000, Assistant Professor, Department of Biology, Temple University
1991-1993, Research Assistant Professor in the Department of Biology, University of Utah
1988-1991, Post-doctoral research associate with Dr. Michael J. Bastiani in the Department of Biology, University of Utah
1985-1988, VAX system manager and programmer for the Institute of Neuroscience, University of Oregon
1979-1985, Graduate research with Dr. Charles B. Kimmel at the Institute of Neuroscience, University of Oregon


The alleged rape by Myers could have occurred at any of these universities.

[didymos]

Doesn't matter what you think. You're still the problem:

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/patr ... ?cid=bitly

[another lurker]

Why are you guys so broken? Why do you insist on making spaces unsafe for wymyn??

[screwtape]

Why are you guys so broken? Why do you insist on making spaces unsafe for wymyn??

Wymyn with Napier Deltic powered chain saws don't have to worry about any space being unsafe.

220px-Napier_Deltic_Animation.gif

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[Lsuoma]

Erdogan says women not equal to men: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30183711

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[BlueShiftRhino]

FYI, LIttle Paul's CV

2003- , Associate Professor, Division of Science and Math, University of Minnesota, Morris
2000-2003 , Assistant Professor, Division of Science and Math, University of Minnesota, Morris
1993-2000, Assistant Professor, Department of Biology, Temple University
1991-1993, Research Assistant Professor in the Department of Biology, University of Utah
1988-1991, Post-doctoral research associate with Dr. Michael J. Bastiani in the Department of Biology, University of Utah
1985-1988, VAX system manager and programmer for the Institute of Neuroscience, University of Oregon
1979-1985, Graduate research with Dr. Charles B. Kimmel at the Institute of Neuroscience, University of Oregon

Ignoring, for the moment, of where and when the "false accusation that almost happened" may have occurred, what the above tells me is that he failed to get tenure at Temple, which is how such a great scientist ended up at UMinn-Morris. The timing is exactly correct, as Temple has folks go up for tenure about 7 years in; plus he started his next job also as an assistant prof. And this explains quite a bit, if you're willing to make an inference: nothing will embitter an egotistical academic like being told by your colleagues that you aren't good enough to join the club. And being rejected for tenure by Temple is not easy; you have to be pretty pathetic to pull that off.

[BlueShiftRhino]

Oh, for completeness sake: another way to fail to get tenure at Temple would be to harass a student or be known for having, for example, a sexual fetish for your research creatures. But, again, I only add this for completeness' sake ... so that I don't get accused of creating a false dichotomy or something like that. There is nothing - nothing, I tell you! - in PZ's short-form CV to provide strong evidence that Temple rejected him for tenure for being a tentacle rape-porn enthusiast. Nothing. Zip. Nada.

[Tapir]

Erdogan says women not equal to men: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30183711

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

You can already hear the gears grinding in SJW heads as they try to articulate a response that will condemn Erdogan's sexism while simultaneously absolving Islam of any responsibility whatsoever.

[another lurker]

Erdogan wants women barefoot and pregnant so that he can raise the birth rate and "improve" the economy.

[piero]

Erdogan says women not equal to men: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30183711

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

Who cares? He's not offering coffee, is he?

[piginthecity]

PZ tracks down the horde at SkeptiCON. "Yep, there's a couple right there"

Now, little Paul, can you remember what you were told in your Ally training ? There's a furry standing around looking like he/she/it/xi/xis/fee/fi/fo/fum would like to join in the conversation, but is obviously intimidated by all the privileged people around.

So away you go, now, remember to include everybody and don't forget that mentioning your tentacle porn might be seen as intimidating and make sure nobody things you're hitting on him/her/oh-no-not-this-bloody-nonsense-again.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

That Andy character at MN's is so fucking annoying to read, but I swear he is one of the best advertising for the stupidity of Pharyngulites. I think everyone should just ignore him and let him talk to himself until he gets bored or frustrated. Both of which would be equally funny.

Wow. Andy Andy's off his meds.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Why are you guys so broken? Why do you insist on making spaces unsafe for wymyn??

Cuz wymmynz can't avoid kickbacks -- they be the unsafe-makers.

[JackSkeptic]

That Andy character at MN's is so fucking annoying to read, but I swear he is one of the best advertising for the stupidity of Pharyngulites. I think everyone should just ignore him and let him talk to himself until he gets bored or frustrated. Both of which would be equally funny.

I took a look and he is largely unintelligible.

I do think he is amusing though. He seems to be under the sad delusion that the vacuous drivel that works at FtB still works when it faces reality. I also wonder if people such as Benson, Svan, Myers etc actually realize those outside their sycophantic echo chambers see their arguments as full of logical fallacies and factual errors. Myers knows it I think which is why he never engages directly. Zvan is so full of pompous arrogance she thinks she is fooling everyone all of the time and Benson is, well, Benson.

Also Myers, your reaction to some furries. It's called trying too hard and it is patronising. It is also embarrassing.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

http://i.imgur.com/ri7kMUS.png?1
Kinda like fan mail, huh Paul?

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Why are you guys so broken? Why do you insist on making spaces unsafe for wymyn??

Wymyn with Napier Deltic powered chain saws don't have to worry about any space being unsafe.

220px-Napier_Deltic_Animation.gif

That gif should be merged with katamari's avatar.

[Shatterface as Guest]

That Andy character at MN's is so fucking annoying to read, but I swear he is one of the best advertising for the stupidity of Pharyngulites. I think everyone should just ignore him and let him talk to himself until he gets bored or frustrated. Both of which would be equally funny.

Wow. Andy Andy's off his meds.

Is there a prize for the first person to give him an embolism?

- Shatteface

[Matt Cavanaugh]

FYI, LIttle Paul's CV

2003- , Associate Professor, Division of Science and Math, University of Minnesota, Morris
2000-2003 , Assistant Professor, Division of Science and Math, University of Minnesota, Morris
1993-2000, Assistant Professor, Department of Biology, Temple University
1991-1993, Research Assistant Professor in the Department of Biology, University of Utah
1988-1991, Post-doctoral research associate with Dr. Michael J. Bastiani in the Department of Biology, University of Utah
1985-1988, VAX system manager and programmer for the Institute of Neuroscience, University of Oregon
1979-1985, Graduate research with Dr. Charles B. Kimmel at the Institute of Neuroscience, University of Oregon

Ignoring, for the moment, of where and when the "false accusation that almost happened" may have occurred, what the above tells me is that he failed to get tenure at Temple, which is how such a great scientist ended up at UMinn-Morris. The timing is exactly correct, as Temple has folks go up for tenure about 7 years in; plus he started his next job also as an assistant prof. And this explains quite a bit, if you're willing to make an inference: nothing will embitter an egotistical academic like being told by your colleagues that you aren't good enough to join the club. And being rejected for tenure by Temple is not easy; you have to be pretty pathetic to pull that off.

Why do you hate owls so much?

[free thoughtpolice]

Why are you guys so broken? Why do you insist on making spaces unsafe for wymyn??

The experts have identified several factors; Patriarchy, testosterone poisoning, kyriarchy, computer games, rape switches, Dawkins worship, penises,MTs (masculinity toxins), refusal to shut up and listen to feminism lol 101...

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Is there a prize for the first person to give him an embolism?

Andy Andy looks like another case of schizophasia.

My bet's on Peez being the first to go berserk, and ends with him being escorted, naked & handcuffed, from the fish dept. at Petsmart, into the back seat of a Crown Vic.

[BlueShiftRhino]

Why do you hate owls so much?

Actually, I commend Temple on seeing something long before anyone else. Of course, there's also Bill Cosby....

[Shatterface as Guest]

FYI, LIttle Paul's CV

2003- , Associate Professor, Division of Science and Math, University of Minnesota, Morris
2000-2003 , Assistant Professor, Division of Science and Math, University of Minnesota, Morris
1993-2000, Assistant Professor, Department of Biology, Temple University
1991-1993, Research Assistant Professor in the Department of Biology, University of Utah
1988-1991, Post-doctoral research associate with Dr. Michael J. Bastiani in the Department of Biology, University of Utah
1985-1988, VAX system manager and programmer for the Institute of Neuroscience, University of Oregon
1979-1985, Graduate research with Dr. Charles B. Kimmel at the Institute of Neuroscience, University of Oregon

Wait - he went from neuroscience to fish?

Fish?!?

So how come he didn't recognise the word schizophasia when I used it?

- Shatterface

[bhoytony]

Theophantes demonstrates that s/h/it's grasp of Irish political history is on a par with s/h/it's grasp of basic logic.

The 'blueshirts' were a small group of actual (not neo) fascists that were present in Ireland in the 1930s. Fascism was a growing movement around the world at that point and many countries (including the US) had such groups. The Irish group were mainly encompassed by one particular political party - think of them as the tea partiers of Ireland - but were very much a minority in that party.
They were rabidly pro-Catholic - a factor that led to their destruction, since they formed an ill fated brigade to fight on behalf of General Franco in the Spanish civil war, during which many were killed.
The term 'blueshirts' is now used as a kind of joke term in Ireland, when referring to the current political party (Fine Gael) that this faction came from. While it's not easy to translate Irish politics in US terms, Fine Gael are now essentially the equivalent of the democrat party in the US. They are currently in government - in coalition with the socialist Labour party.

To try to link the fact that Nugent was a member of Fine Gael in the late 1990s, to the activity of a small subset of members of the historical party in the early 1930s (there is no hint that the current party has any links with fascism, or has had since the 1930s) is the equivalent of claiming that Barack Obama is a supporter of slavery because he is a member of the Democrat party.

Is this really the best they can do?

There's reference to the blueshirts fighting for Franco back in the '30's in this song. This is just an excuse to post a bit of Christy Moore.

[youtube]xQbXO828Vio[/youtube]

[Dick Strawkins]

FYI, LIttle Paul's CV

2003- , Associate Professor, Division of Science and Math, University of Minnesota, Morris
2000-2003 , Assistant Professor, Division of Science and Math, University of Minnesota, Morris
1993-2000, Assistant Professor, Department of Biology, Temple University
1991-1993, Research Assistant Professor in the Department of Biology, University of Utah
1988-1991, Post-doctoral research associate with Dr. Michael J. Bastiani in the Department of Biology, University of Utah
1985-1988, VAX system manager and programmer for the Institute of Neuroscience, University of Oregon
1979-1985, Graduate research with Dr. Charles B. Kimmel at the Institute of Neuroscience, University of Oregon

Wait - he went from neuroscience to fish?

Fish?!?

He worked with zebrafish, which are a model species. Those who work on model species are usually not interested in that particular organism but are instead using the species in question as a means of extrapolating from particular features present in the model organism, to vertebrates in general.

[Brive1987]

Doesn't add much but it's worth wheeling out his daughters take on the Mn thing.

http://i.imgur.com/QASVVrg.jpg

[piero]

I know that Myers's CV and his daughter's comments are public, but I don't feel comfortable when they are turned into arguments. In particular, I don't like the line of criticism based on Myers's supposed failure as a scientist. Even if that were the case, it is a very, very bad argument. And publishing what SkatjeZero thinks about his father's career is not better.

I would never use any anectdotes from someone's real life in order to score points in arguments which should be strictly confined to evidence and the rules of logic.

[piero]

Ooops, "her father."

[BlueShiftRhino]

Wait - he went from neuroscience to fish?

Fish?!?

I can't tell if you're joking, but, if not, you're a pinhead; there is plenty of neurosci work using fish and the Zebrafish is a popular choice.

[Shatterface as Guest]

Nick Cohen on the Law Society's retreat on 'Sharia-compliant' wills.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehous ... -defeated/

[BlueShiftRhino]

I know that Myers's CV and his daughter's comments are public, but I don't feel comfortable when they are turned into arguments. In particular, I don't like the line of criticism based on Myers's supposed failure as a scientist. Even if that were the case, it is a very, very bad argument. And publishing what SkatjeZero thinks about his father's career is not better.

I would never use any anectdotes from someone's real life in order to score points in arguments which should be strictly confined to evidence and the rules of logic.

I sort of agree with you, but not entirely. It depends on the use and the venue.

I, for one, would like to understand why PZ is the fucking asshole that he is. I don't take any piece of evidence that may be related to this as definitive, but I do want as much information as I can get, such that I can look for a pattern. I'm not going to make a strong claim based on any pattern that I find, but I will float my theories in a semi-private place, such as The 'Pit, to see what others can add or subtract. Therefore, I find the (new-to-me) datum that he probably went-up-for and failed-to-get tenure at Temple to be quite interesting. I have known several people who have failed to get tenure and nearly every one of them became both bitter and somewhat irrational, at least for a while. It's one of the most devastating things that can happen to an academic. Nothing says "you're nobody" like failing to get Tenure at a Tier-2 or -3 school.

[feathers]

Doesn't matter what you think. You're still the problem:

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/patr ... ?cid=bitly

Someone retorts:

Elliot Rodger killed four male roommates and two female strangers. Grievance industry feminists have used every rhetorical trick in the book to keep the rest of us from talking about the male victims, and make the whole conversation about female victimhood. Shoshana Roberts, an actress whose profession and lifestyle revolve around people engaging her, walked around NYC for 10 hours receiving comments from strangers including "hello", "good morning", and "god bless". Grievance industry feminists swamped the news media and blogosphere with hit pieces shaming these largely inoffensive, non-threatening friendly people as "catcallers". Anita Sarkeesian makes a six figure salary accusing people of a specific race and gender who sit at home playing Playstation games of being dangerous, threatening oppressive monsters. Yes, there is a clear pattern here. A clear pattern of grievance industry feminist writers and academics getting TV time, earning generous incomes and enriching themselves by exploiting tragedies and blaming harmless, voiceless strangers for real and imagined social problems. For all the ink they expend harping about Rodger, Gamergate and Sarkeesian, they aren't actually accomplishing or changing anything, and once again the public is getting tired of hearing them blame men for all of the world's problems.

One of you guys?

[Brive1987]

PZ likes to project he is a credible scientist practicing research and not just the high school teacher his students never had.

And yet there he is in cow-poke. This is a mystery the Pit is duty bound to clear up. It's all part of the mockery he so richly deserves.

His daughters broadcasts are completely relevant in this proud endeavour.

[Guestus Aurelius]

Wow, I can't believe the commenters over at Nugent's allowed Andy to so easily hijack the thread.

[Shatterface as Guest]

Wow, I can't believe the commenters over at Nugent's allowed Andy to so easily hijack the thread.

I think it's best to let an Andy, an Ariel or a Theo run for a while. They make the case for the brain damage FTB causes more eloquently than we can.

- Shatterface

[Brive1987]

PZ likes to project he is a credible scientist practicing research and not just the high school teacher his students never had.

And yet there he is in cow-poke. This is a mystery the Pit is duty bound to clear up. It's all part of the mockery he so richly deserves.

His daughters broadcasts are completely relevant in this proud endeavour.

The more refined version of above is:

Peez, even your own daughter thinks that as a working scientist you make a great grade teacher and as an urban dilettante you've found your true niche in silo-town Mn. Your only hope for wider relevance is to lick garbage bins for appalled attention. That is your true legacy.

Brive

[JackSkeptic]

Nick Cohen on the Law Society's retreat on 'Sharia-compliant' wills.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehous ... -defeated/

Maryam Namazie who blogs at FtB gets a positive shout out. The UK has been hand wringing about how to deal with extremist beliefs for years. A lot of the far left have sided with the worst examples of misogyny emanating from Islamic beliefs and practices but the tide is starting to turn. But it is only turning because of the threat of terrorism and extreme examples of breaches in law. Breaches that happened only because they were ignored for so long. SJW's and their ilk are enablers of misogyny, murder (honour killings) and numerous other criminal acts.

When a society gets too comfortable extremists thrive and the comfortable support them as it's so much easier that way. The West as a whole is suffering from this, including the virus of the Social Justice brigade.

[Brive1987]

Wow, I can't believe the commenters over at Nugent's allowed Andy to so easily hijack the thread.

I think they were just so excited that someone from the FtB side actually fronted up to defend PZ.

The shockingly unexpected sometimes has that effect.

[John Greg]

I think they were just so excited that someone from the FtB side actually fronted up to defend PZ.

The shockingly unexpected sometimes has that effect.

:dance:

I wholeheartedly endorse that comment.

[MacPhellimey]

There's a saying that "If you get a reputation for being an early riser, you can lie in bed half the day"
Well it looks like Myers has not only had a good lie-in but has shit the bed and hasn't the wit to get up out of it. It also seem's that his bedfellows still think that his shit smells of roses.

[Guest]

In comments about this sack of dumb. http://www.salon.com/2014/11/23/from_st ... _activism/

http://i.imgur.com/VeJH10d.png

[BlueShiftRhino]

Nick Cohen on the Law Society's retreat on 'Sharia-compliant' wills.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehous ... -defeated/

Maryam Namazie who blogs at FtB gets a positive shout out. The UK has been hand wringing about how to deal with extremist beliefs for years. A lot of the far left have sided with the worst examples of misogyny emanating from Islamic beliefs and practices but the tide is starting to turn. But it is only turning because of the threat of terrorism and extreme examples of breaches in law. Breaches that happened only because they were ignored for so long. SJW's and their ilk are enablers of misogyny, murder (honour killings) and numerous other criminal acts.

When a society gets too comfortable extremists thrive and the comfortable support them as it's so much easier that way. The West as a whole is suffering from this, including the virus of the Social Justice brigade.

At the risk of bringing up something important, that The Roberts Court has given standing to the personal, religious beliefs of the owners of closely-held (but public) companies opens the door in the US to things like Sharia Law even more than is currently the case in the UK. When the first application of The Hobby Lobby Doctrine to Islam comes up, get ready for the SCOTUS version of "it's [only] OK when we do it." Fucking Catholics.

[BlueShiftRhino]

I think they were just so excited that someone from the FtB side actually fronted up to defend PZ.

The shockingly unexpected sometimes has that effect.

:dance:

I wholeheartedly endorse that comment.

It is sooooo hard to resist, tho'.

(I assume that the gorge-the-troll-to-death approach has already been shown to be an abject failure....)

[Matt Cavanaugh]

There's reference to the blueshirts fighting for Franco back in the '30's in this song. This is just an excuse to post a bit of Christy Moore.

[youtube]xQbXO828Vio[/youtube]

[youtube]8fEvt1uG-E0[/youtube]

[bhoytony]

There's reference to the blueshirts fighting for Franco back in the '30's in this song. This is just an excuse to post a bit of Christy Moore.

[youtube]xQbXO828Vio[/youtube]

[youtube]8fEvt1uG-E0[/youtube]

In honour of a brave Irish hero taking on the evil American oppressor at Nugent's blog I give you this one.

[youtube]l3_ED4nzxFg[/youtube]

[Aneris]

Erdogan says women not equal to men: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30183711

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

You can already hear the gears grinding in SJW heads as they try to articulate a response that will condemn Erdogan's sexism while simultaneously absolving Islam of any responsibility whatsoever.

Erdogan is comparatively secular. He must have gotten his views from western dudebros. It's the white man showing through! Without the west meddling in the region, all muslims would be perfectly Andrea Dworkin style feminists, or not? American faux liberals are curious people.

[Brive1987]

At the risk of sounding all JohnD-ish, I'd like to point out to SK7 that the ability to merge back-of-office look with front-of-office function will not be an asset on your CV.

Rego and welcome desk:

http://i.imgur.com/v3x91W2.jpg

[Pitchguest]

Speaking of SK7, they look to be about 5K short to recoup their costs. Looks like it's time for PZ to do his magic!

Pharyngulates assemble!

[Matt Cavanaugh]

I know that Myers's CV and his daughter's comments are public, but I don't feel comfortable when they are turned into arguments. In particular, I don't like the line of criticism based on Myers's supposed failure as a scientist. Even if that were the case, it is a very, very bad argument. And publishing what SkatjeZero thinks about his father's career is not better.

I would never use any anectdotes from someone's real life in order to score points in arguments which should be strictly confined to evidence and the rules of logic.

* I referred to Myers' CV to note that his alleged rape of a student could have allegedly occurred at Temple or UU as well as UMM;

* PZ' 'failure' as a scientist is relevant in the context of his inflated reputation as an 'expert'. He does no research, does not publish, and teaches at an obscure rural adjunct campus. The level of material he teaches would be taught in Europe to 16 year-olds;

* It's also relevant in the context of his bid to be the "Fifth Horseman" of atheism, along with Dawkins, Hitchens, Dennett and Harris. Not only is Myers not in the same league, he's in a separate universe;

* Myers' bizarre version of evolution is also germane. It's decidedly unorthodox, riddled with error & misunderstanding of simple concepts, and verges on pseudo-science. Myers' also eagerly discounts established scientific fact to serve PoMo & radfem ideology. All of this makes him wholly unsuited as an advocate for science & reason over religious dogma.