If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

Pitchguest wrote:No, I changed my avatar to solidify the absurdity of the situation, and to show solidarity to Taylor. There is a cause and effect to this. It didn't start with, let's shoop Taylor's shirt onto other historical figures. It started with people exaggerating the significance of his shirt to such a degree that him wearing it actively prevents women from entering the STEM field, and actually feeling welcome in STEM. The culmination of which was Matt Taylor crying on television because he felt he had commited some grievous error, when all he had really done was wear an, at worst, tacky shirt. Oh, and the first to lead a team landing a probe on a comet moving 135,000 an hour.

It doesn't matter what he wore. Different professions carry different social mores, like dress codes. Turns out scientists can still be hired even if they're covered in tattoos, and turns out scientists can still do their job even if they happen to wear tacky shirts, khakis and sandals. If this was a news footage of a farmer, would anyone have a gave a toss? Probably not, because the important thing for a farmer is that they get their harvest done in time and everyone's happy.

(I think it needs to be pointed out how vastly different the atmosphere was like before the shirtstorm had kicked off, and after. Before he was giddy and jovial, after he was sullen and distant wearing clothes that could only be described as bleak and boring. I suppose those are clothes that would have been preferable in your eyes, but honestly it was just sad to watch. It was like his personality had been ripped out.)

twocunts wrote:

comhcinc wrote:http://i.imgur.com/LZblD1c.png

The way I read God's tweet, He was implying that in this instance, the sheer number of allegations against Cosby was a compelling reason to believe that Cosby really has been doing nasty shit. Now whether or not you agree with the logic, IF that is the point God was making, then it was surely a point in favour of punishing Cosby. In which case, it was surely the very opposite of a "sexist and misogynist tweet".


So either I'm a drooling imbecile, or FutureFeminism is. Well I suppose it could be me.

another lurker wrote:
A topless com wielding a chainsaw would be the sexual assault of the century

comhcinc wrote:

Scented Nectar wrote: Nah, I'm past my best-by date. :shock:

I will be the judge of that.

twocunts wrote:
The way I read God's tweet, He was implying that in this instance, the sheer number of allegations against Cosby was a compelling reason to believe that Cosby really has been doing nasty shit. Now whether or not you agree with the logic, IF that is the point God was making, then it was surely a point in favour of punishing Cosby. In which case, it was surely the very opposite of a "sexist and misogynist tweet".

So either I'm a drooling imbecile, or FutureFeminism is. Well I suppose it could be me.

John D wrote: The problem with your line of thinking is that most people (at least in the states) think the shirt was not just tacky. The shirt is considered offensive and degrading.

Scented Nectar wrote:

comhcinc wrote:

Scented Nectar wrote: Nah, I'm past my best-by date. :shock:

I will be the judge of that.

Trust me. :lol:

My 52nd birthday was less than a week ago. I'm into the second half of the century I plan to live. Gravity and time are winning. My perkiness has left me a 'dear Jane' letter.

another lurker wrote:

BlueShiftRhino wrote:You asked for it:
http://allstarporn.peepholist.com/wp-co ... ainsaw.jpg

Com is a lot less hairy since last time we saw xim.

deLurch wrote:

John D wrote:

CuntajusRationality wrote: That's why your space programme is a firework in a milk bottle.
- Shatterface

Asking people to dress professionally when they are on TV is not gonna ruin science. This is a really lame argument.

Well at least John and I agree that if his bosses had asked him to switch shirts, he should have. And even Matt I suspect would have followed through.

We disagree about the positive/negative impact of wearing the shirt. Many people were impressed at what they thought was a cool hip scientist instead of just a stiff suit.

John,
Had the guy been wearing a well made hawian shirt minus the the pin up girl stuff, would you have found that acceptable?

BlueShiftRhino wrote:

Tribble wrote:

BlueShiftRhino wrote:Actually, there's something wrong with that poll, as a five-option forced-choice poll cannot have %s that sum to 96%, even after rounding. There must be a sixth option.

The correct option is 'check your math.'

I was actually referring to the first set of numbers: 3, 21, 41, 10, and 22. My "96%" is a typo, but those numbers cannot reach 100%, no matter how you like to round.

katamari Damassi wrote:

twocunts wrote:
The way I read God's tweet, He was implying that in this instance, the sheer number of allegations against Cosby was a compelling reason to believe that Cosby really has been doing nasty shit. Now whether or not you agree with the logic, IF that is the point God was making, then it was surely a point in favour of punishing Cosby. In which case, it was surely the very opposite of a "sexist and misogynist tweet".

So either I'm a drooling imbecile, or FutureFeminism is. Well I suppose it could be me.

You know, not that long ago I would've agreed that the number of accusations is a compelling reason for suspicion, but after seeing all the "he wanted me tooism" that followed the initial accusation against Shermer, I'm not so sure anymore.

John D wrote:

comhcinc wrote:

How exactly is the AAS taking the high road?

Oh and btw, If I had my dick in my hand you would to look at it. It is a glorious thing to behold.

Yeah... I get it. You think it was totes okay for Taylor to wear that stupid shirt. If you worked for me I doubt you would last long.

bovarchist wrote:

another lurker wrote:

BlueShiftRhino wrote:You asked for it:
http://allstarporn.peepholist.com/wp-co ... ainsaw.jpg

Com is a lot less hairy since last time we saw xim.

Orange chainsaw with neon green thong? After Labor Day? #fashionfail

comhcinc wrote:

John D wrote: The problem with your line of thinking is that most people (at least in the states) think the shirt was not just tacky. The shirt is considered offensive and degrading.

http://i.imgur.com/1Fwzj8D.png

Examples of Sexual Harassment

Sexual harassment can occur in a variety of situations. These are examples of sexual harassment, not intended to be all inclusive.
Unwanted jokes, gestures, offensive words on clothing, and unwelcome comments and repartee.

Touching and any other bodily contact such as scratching or patting a coworker's back, grabbing an employee around the waist, or interfering with an employee's ability to move.

Repeated requests for dates that are turned down or unwanted flirting.

Transmitting or posting emails or pictures of a sexual or other harassment-related nature.

Displaying sexually suggestive objects, pictures, or posters.

deLurch wrote:[

John,
Had the guy been wearing a well made hawian shirt minus the the pin up girl stuff, would you have found that acceptable?

bovarchist wrote:

another lurker wrote:

BlueShiftRhino wrote:You asked for it:
http://allstarporn.peepholist.com/wp-co ... ainsaw.jpg

Com is a lot less hairy since last time we saw xim.

Orange chainsaw with neon green thong? After Labor Day? #fashionfail

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
O hshit, thanks BSR.

I can already hear James Caruthers running toward The Pit, ready to throw down a photo of a different chainsaw, which is the kind a man would use because he does so dur.

And then don an Opheliar and dump 500 lines of text, in which 85% of the words are 'Bruh', 'gain', swole', 'cardio', 'manlet' and fucking 'Volk!isch'

FT: I love what you've done so far to autocorrect that last word, now how about some of the others? Do it for the swole Bruhs, you cardio-loving little manlet fag.

John D wrote:

comhcinc wrote:

John D wrote: The problem with your line of thinking is that most people (at least in the states) think the shirt was not just tacky. The shirt is considered offensive and degrading.

http://i.imgur.com/1Fwzj8D.png

So wait. You really think that only a few people find that shirt potentially offensive and not appropriate for work?

Examples of Sexual Harassment

Sexual harassment can occur in a variety of situations. These are examples of sexual harassment, not intended to be all inclusive.
Unwanted jokes, gestures, offensive words on clothing, and unwelcome comments and repartee.

Touching and any other bodily contact such as scratching or patting a coworker's back, grabbing an employee around the waist, or interfering with an employee's ability to move.

Repeated requests for dates that are turned down or unwanted flirting.

Transmitting or posting emails or pictures of a sexual or other harassment-related nature.

Displaying sexually suggestive objects, pictures, or posters.

http://humanresources.about.com/od/glos ... assdef.htm

John D wrote:

comhcinc wrote:

John D wrote: The problem with your line of thinking is that most people (at least in the states) think the shirt was not just tacky. The shirt is considered offensive and degrading.

http://i.imgur.com/1Fwzj8D.png

So wait. You really think that only a few people find that shirt potentially offensive and not appropriate for work?

Examples of Sexual Harassment

Sexual harassment can occur in a variety of situations. These are examples of sexual harassment, not intended to be all inclusive.
Unwanted jokes, gestures, offensive words on clothing, and unwelcome comments and repartee.

Touching and any other bodily contact such as scratching or patting a coworker's back, grabbing an employee around the waist, or interfering with an employee's ability to move.

Repeated requests for dates that are turned down or unwanted flirting.

Transmitting or posting emails or pictures of a sexual or other harassment-related nature.

Displaying sexually suggestive objects, pictures, or posters.

http://humanresources.about.com/od/glos ... assdef.htm

John D wrote: So wait. You really think that only a few people find that shirt potentially offensive and not appropriate for work?

Examples of Sexual Harassment

Sexual harassment can occur in a variety of situations. These are examples of sexual harassment, not intended to be all inclusive.
Unwanted jokes, gestures, offensive words on clothing, and unwelcome comments and repartee.

Touching and any other bodily contact such as scratching or patting a coworker's back, grabbing an employee around the waist, or interfering with an employee's ability to move.

Repeated requests for dates that are turned down or unwanted flirting.

Transmitting or posting emails or pictures of a sexual or other harassment-related nature.

Displaying sexually suggestive objects, pictures, or posters.

http://humanresources.about.com/od/glos ... assdef.htm

katamari Damassi wrote:

InfraRedBucket wrote:I think they all just mistook the guy for Conan O Brian.

I don't think Becs scored any points when she said to them "Me so oppressed. Me get hate mail long time."

KiwiInOz wrote:

BlueShiftRhino wrote:You asked for it:
http://allstarporn.peepholist.com/wp-co ... ainsaw.jpg

It's yellow. Not the chainsaw. And not that I was looking.

And, also, mine is a Stihl bought for Fathers Day over 20 years ago.

Tribble wrote:

John D wrote:

comhcinc wrote:

How exactly is the AAS taking the high road?

Oh and btw, If I had my dick in my hand you would to look at it. It is a glorious thing to behold.

Yeah... I get it. You think it was totes okay for Taylor to wear that stupid shirt. If you worked for me I doubt you would last long.

Deal is, it's your working environment. In your environment, your dress code rules apply. And that's the only place they apply.

They don't apply to my former environment as a CPA (unless you all wear suits 5-days a week and not those foofie Italian and designer suits either). They don't apply to my kitchen. They don't apply to any lab my wife has worked at in her life. They don't apply to the operating room. They don't apply to the fire department or police department or ambulance drivers or pretty much anyone in any kind of emergency services. They don't apply to virtually every blue-collar job in Europe and North America.

And that's what you don't get. You don't get to foist YOUR dress code on others working in different environments. You're in ONE of MANY valid and different working environments. What is 'right' in yours isn't 'right' in all.

comhcinc wrote:
I am saying you made a falsifiable claim. Please provide proof that your statement is true.

bovarchist wrote:

KiwiInOz wrote:

BlueShiftRhino wrote:You asked for it:
http://allstarporn.peepholist.com/wp-co ... ainsaw.jpg

It's yellow. Not the chainsaw. And not that I was looking.

And, also, mine is a Stihl bought for Fathers Day over 20 years ago.

Naw, the caterpillar behind her is yellow. That thar thong, that's firetruck green. Shaking with rage etc.

bovarchist wrote:
PS, you should be aware that in the office I worked at briefly, the guidelines for sexual harassment literally included the catch-all "Harassment is anything a person considers harassment". So be sure not to do that, guys.

KiwiInOz wrote:
How about we settle for neon yellow, in the interests of world harmony.

How about we settle for neon yellow, in the interests of world harmony.

comhcinc wrote:

John D wrote: The problem with your line of thinking is that most people (at least in the states) think the shirt was not just tacky. The shirt is considered offensive and degrading.

http://i.imgur.com/1Fwzj8D.png

JackSkeptic wrote:The shirt is an EU matter and the opinion of people in the US is irrelevant. I'm sick to death of people in the US subjecting their twisted morality and 'acceptable standards' onto others. So forgive me if I do not give a toss about the opinion of SJW's or people here who think their standards are the only ones allowed. Keep considering as quite normal images of people having their heads blown off while fainting over a nipple. Not everyone in this world has the same twisted outlook on life.

This rampant moral crusading is the cause of SJW's and why it is predominantly a US issue. If it is not religious bigotry it is some other excuse and it is extremely irritating. Were not in the 18th Century anymore.

bovarchist wrote:Agreed. You have to remember that we're talking about groupies here, which already suggests a certain level of mental instability.

John D wrote:All the workers you named (doctors, firefighters, line workers) would likely be told to change if they had sexual images on their shirt. This is not really that hard to understand.

free thoughtpolice wrote:I'm a Muslim and I demand all women wear burkas or I will get offended and fly an airplane into a building.
Matt Taylor should be wearing clothes that comply with what all the planetary scientists in Yemen wear or have his awrah chopped off. :twisted:

... wrote the "idiot’s guide to immunity" which is still being passed around to educate new parents on how vaccines work.

another lurker wrote:https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/proxy ... 43-h332-nc

This too.

John D wrote: This is not really a dress code topic. It is a sexual harassment topic. Sexually suggestive images are generally off limits in most workplaces in the US and (I suspect) most European countries. Of course this doesn't apply at sex shops or whatever, because their business is trading in that material.

Scented Nectar wrote:

BarnOwl wrote:
Pffft. I wore plaid flannel shirts and a CPO jacket in the 70s and 80s, when they were still totally uncool. Just ordered a flannel shirt from Duluth Trading Co., because it looked like a great thing to wear when working in the yard or out at the boarding stable.

I want everything at that store! :) Never heard of it before, but it's now in my shopping bookmarks.

another lurker wrote:[img]https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/proxy ... 443-h332mg]

This too.

November 21, 2014 at 4:49 AM

Avicenna,
Sorry but you are wrong on one point. Dawkins has in fact been elected as the new atheist pope. Upon the death of the former atheist pope (Christopher Hitchens) a secretive MRA-conclave was held within the confines of the pit to elect their new leader. Once they had settled on Dawkins, they released a photoshopped picture of white smoke billowing out of Professor Myers’ backside.

Now they treat every Dawkins utterance and tweet as if were an atheist-papal bull, and they fawn all over him just to get the chance to reach out and touch his robes as he ushers past.

In all seriousness, we have heard rumors about the most loyal Dawkinsian pitters having regular Google-handouts where they have readings from The God Delusion and sermons delivered by ordained atheists priests like Mykeru.

John Greg wrote:On another post, Avi makes the interesting claim that he:

... wrote the "idiot’s guide to immunity" which is still being passed around to educate new parents on how vaccines work.

Interesting. I did a Google but could not find a book titled exactly that, but I did find a book entitled: Complete Idiot's Guide to Boosting Your Immunity.

link: http://freethoughtblogs.com/amilliongod ... nt-1439901

another lurker wrote:https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/proxy ... 43-h332-nc

This too.

zenbabe wrote: Agreed.
They have pretty great commercials too, manlets.

[youtube]XSxF1KG_b68[/youtube]

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:http://i.imgur.com/uDQBGlV.png

Do the right thing, University of Minnesota at Morris.

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:

BlueShiftRhino wrote:

Tribble wrote: The correct option is 'check your math.'

I was actually referring to the first set of numbers: 3, 21, 41, 10, and 22. My "96%" is a typo, but those numbers cannot reach 100%, no matter how you like to round.

Of course they can, if you round down anything to .99999...of 1%.

another lurker wrote:Who needs..

Titties n' Kitties

When you can have...

Moobz n' Sawz

KiwiInOz wrote:

another lurker wrote:Who needs..

Titties n' Kitties

When you can have...

Moobz n' Sawz

I feel so inadequate. I've only got pecs 'n sawz.

Tribble wrote:Yeah, here it is:

P. Z. fails to Pharyngulate poll, is humiliated as cats win overwhelmingly (ergo a prize)

Even though P. Z. Myers seems to hate cats—at least judging by his frequent “anti-Caturday” posts—he owns at least one felid. It’s beyond me how one can hate an animal and yet own one (I weep for that moggie), and the man really should get a squid if he’s going to bang on like this.

At any rate, the bad news is that he tried to Pharyngulate the cats-vs.-dogs-vs.-babies poll, sending over his squidly minions to vote for . . . . none of the above!. But thanks to some judicious advertising next to his request, he became hoist with his own petard (h/t to alert reader Kevin for the screenshot):

http://whyevolutionistrue.files.wordpre ... =754&h=522

Really, what chance did the man have with an adorable tabby kitten placed right next to his call for dissing cats? Indeed, his call was futile. The final result of the poll (well, a result that hasn’t changed much in the past two days) is this:

http://whyevolutionistrue.files.wordpre ... =354&h=238

Now let’s not be complacent, as the sycophantic horde of squidophiles keeps cuttling over to the site and voting for the last category. If you haven’t voted for cats yet, do so early and often (here). But for the nonce I think we’ve not only put kittehs on top, but soundly trounced the Pharyngulites, who are now creeping home with limp, soggy tentacles dragging behind.

The good news is that I will award a prize to one randomly-selected reader. On Monday, after judicious application of a random number generator, I’ll give the name of the lucky winner of an autographed copy of WEIT. The flyleaf will contain not only my signature, but my warm personal congratulations and a hand-drawn kitteh.

Thanks to all for participating, and vote if you haven’t yet. You can still enter the contest by voting the right way and noting your vote on this thread. You have till Sunday afternoon.

http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com ... o-a-prize/

Notice how few votes on the poll. If they took it to 20% from 6% and the poll was at 3700ish votes... That's make the horde responsible for about 16% of the 22% 'none' category which I'm roughly computing to be somewhere around 550 votes.

BTW, it ended like this:


Do You Prefer:

Adorable Pictures of Babies? 0%
Adorable Pictures of Puppies? 3%
Adorable Pictures of Kittens? 89%
All of the Above 1%
None of the Above 5%

Closed Total Votes: 33,660

I don't know how much came from Coyne. But it was an incredibly massive swing. Not only were the 'none's' crushed, but it also skewed the hell out of the puppies and babies from the overwhelming rush on kittens.

And I take that as a good sign. A sign that Myers really doesn't have the following he used to have. I remember crushing some polls by over 10K+ swings as thousands and thousands of people would rush to crush the poll. Now he's being crushed.