At least she made some cash out of it.Aneris wrote:I worry more about Karen. Lets say it was a mess, emotions got the better of her, she forged mails and then thought it a good idea to collect money to defend herself, and dug herself deeper into the mess, has that volatile and low self-esteem personality — that's not good.
Yes. I am agnostic as even a provisional belief is not something I can support given the mountain of contrary evidence. Added to that, I do not yet trust a lot of the evidence either.rayshul wrote:I finished the Radford Files while at work after JV facebooked them. Oh my goodness.
I know that several people on here seemed - before this Great Reveal - to be tending toward the Stollznow side of the affair. Has this altered your views at all?
:-) Skullduggery to the left of us, mendacity to the right ....JacquesCuze wrote:[.youtube]d41cAOmcuxk[/youtube]
Maybe he or she is testing the waters to see if PZ is monitoring his site at ~3am Midwest time, tonight.Sunder wrote:The Midnight Marauder seems to be up and about but he's not really utilizing any of the juicy meat PZ laid out for everyone tonight.
I was certainly tending in that direction, and I expect there's still an element of truth in Stollznow's account. Although that something may suggest the Stockholm Syndrome is in play. But "the Great Reveal" - the potential rapturing of true believers on all sides - is certainly a plausible alternative that raises a few questions about Stollznow's motivations and credibility, even if some elements of Radford's take don't hang together all that well either - that he too has a bit of bias in his interpretations. But truly a mess though that would challenge the wisdom of Solomon.rayshul wrote:I finished the Radford Files while at work after JV facebooked them. Oh my goodness.
:-) But my goodness, indeed. Kind of a tragedy in a way though, even if there might an object lesson or two in amongst the ordure.
rayshul wrote:I know that several people on here seemed - before this Great Reveal - to be tending toward the Stollznow side of the affair. Has this altered your views at all?
You know the way "nice guys" always complain that women go for assholes? Men do too.acathode wrote: Also, if, IF, the stuff on Radford's site is true, then I'm kinda surprised about how she not only manage to get a relationship in the first place, but how she manages to pretty much get multiple men fighting over her, and even get them to marry her.
I don't know what the laws are in the relevant jurisdiction, but where I am, a manager is personally liable if, when notified of sexual harassment, he takes no action, and the harasser does it again. So for every allegation of sexual harassment, there is a reprimand and a note put on the alleged harasser's file. And that's all. So in the two cases of sexual harassment allegations that I have personal knowledge of, the guy who put his hand down the temp's jeans as she bent over a filing cabinet, having previously been told to stop getting handsy, got a slap on the wrist, and the guy who engaged in a bit of mutual flirtation with a female co-worker and told her he wanted to stop before it went too far got an unfair black mark against his name. Don't see justice being done in either case.Brive1987 wrote: The only niggle I have is - "on what basis did CFI discipline him at all?"
Yeah, guys love mental chicks. The most mental women I've met were fucking knee deep in dudes.paddybrown wrote:You know the way "nice guys" always complain that women go for assholes? Men do too.acathode wrote: Also, if, IF, the stuff on Radford's site is true, then I'm kinda surprised about how she not only manage to get a relationship in the first place, but how she manages to pretty much get multiple men fighting over her, and even get them to marry her.
Myers, you are a joke. You are worse than a creationist. You despicable piece of shit.Gumby wrote:PZ bellows thusly:http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... -f-christ/Ben Radford has taken the next step in sleaze, dumping all of his and Karen Stollznow’s mutual correspondence to the web, along with various other documents to demonstrate that yes, they once had a relationship, that Stollznow has had some turbulent relationships with others, etc., etc., etc. None of it really matters — does he think that somehow having once had a relationship, it means he can never ever be guilty of harassment ever again?
But I just want to mention one piece of ‘evidence’ he has released to the world. It’s a selfie he took of himself, shirtless, in bed with a woman. Radford has a smug smirk on his face; the woman is covering her face with her hand, clearly not wanting any part of this exhibition. Radford has commissioned an expert in photographic analysis to compare her hand to Stollznow’s hand in other photos, to ‘prove’ that it is her. Note what he has done: he has taken a picture of a woman in an intimate situation, clearly against her wishes, and has now posted it to the web, with evidence to identify her.
And he thinks this vindicates him.
My god. What a revolting narcissistic scumbag.
TL;DR:
LALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!!
If you're a shy or introverted type of guy, not accustomed to dating a lot of women, these kind of 'mental chicks' are probably the main group of women that will behave in a sexual way towards you.rayshul wrote:Yeah, guys love mental chicks. The most mental women I've met were fucking knee deep in dudes.paddybrown wrote:You know the way "nice guys" always complain that women go for assholes? Men do too.acathode wrote: Also, if, IF, the stuff on Radford's site is true, then I'm kinda surprised about how she not only manage to get a relationship in the first place, but how she manages to pretty much get multiple men fighting over her, and even get them to marry her.
Sad but true.rayshul wrote:Yeah, guys love mental chicks. The most mental women I've met were fucking knee deep in dudes.paddybrown wrote:
You know the way "nice guys" always complain that women go for assholes? Men do too.
It's not just you: they're all gone.Kenteken wrote:Is it me or has @parabaxter deleted his tweets of the conversation with Mykeru?
Last tweet was 15 hours ago - I assume that he is having some interesting conversations with Karen at the momentKenteken wrote:Is it me or has @parabaxter deleted his tweets of the conversation with Mykeru?
Couldn't agree more. I thought my opinion of Myers couldn't sink any lower. I was wrong.Søren Lilholt wrote:Myers, you are a joke. You are worse than a creationist. You despicable piece of shit.Gumby wrote:PZ bellows thusly:http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... -f-christ/Ben Radford has taken the next step in sleaze, dumping all of his and Karen Stollznow’s mutual correspondence to the web, along with various other documents to demonstrate that yes, they once had a relationship, that Stollznow has had some turbulent relationships with others, etc., etc., etc. None of it really matters — does he think that somehow having once had a relationship, it means he can never ever be guilty of harassment ever again?
But I just want to mention one piece of ‘evidence’ he has released to the world. It’s a selfie he took of himself, shirtless, in bed with a woman. Radford has a smug smirk on his face; the woman is covering her face with her hand, clearly not wanting any part of this exhibition. Radford has commissioned an expert in photographic analysis to compare her hand to Stollznow’s hand in other photos, to ‘prove’ that it is her. Note what he has done: he has taken a picture of a woman in an intimate situation, clearly against her wishes, and has now posted it to the web, with evidence to identify her.
And he thinks this vindicates him.
My god. What a revolting narcissistic scumbag.
TL;DR:
LALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!!
This psycho woman destroys a man's reputation, cons thousands of dollars out of pious pricks like you to fight this man in court, and you have the gall - the utter fucking GALL - to complain about the man defending himself? When he was the one who tried to settle amicably, and the psycho bitch was the one that FORCED him to fight on?
Fuckinv HELL you're a prick, Myers. A lying, retconning, goalpost-moving, askeptical creationist ideologue prick.
You disgust me.
I pray that the lord looks after him and protects him in his time of need. That guy should be careful or the police will be digging up his yard looking for him.Michael J wrote:Last tweet was 15 hours ago - I assume that he is having some interesting conversations with Karen at the momentKenteken wrote:Is it me or has @parabaxter deleted his tweets of the conversation with Mykeru?
Saying "emotions got the better of her" makes it sound like this was a kind of spontaneous outburst from KS. But if even half of what Radman alleges is true, it sounds much more premeditated than that. That said, I do think there is more emotion in this rather than some grand master plan by KS, along with a certain rat cunning.Aneris wrote:I worry more about Karen. Lets say it was a mess, emotions got the better of her, she forged mails and then thought it a good idea to collect money to defend herself, and dug herself deeper into the mess, has that volatile and low self-esteem personality — that's not good.
I wouldn't say "all guys" - just like I wouldn't say all women go for assholes. But it is a thing.rayshul wrote:I just think all guys find mental chicks hot. That's why we have the "femme fatale" type and the "manic pixie dream girl", which cater to the two ends of sexiness. More or lessly.
Some guys do like a little danger. Mind you, they aren't the ones you take home to meet your mother.rayshul wrote:I just think all guys find mental chicks hot. That's why we have the "femme fatale" type and the "manic pixie dream girl", which cater to the two ends of sexiness. More or lessly.
Live FeedMichael J wrote:Last tweet was 15 hours ago - I assume that he is having some interesting conversations with Karen at the momentKenteken wrote:Is it me or has @parabaxter deleted his tweets of the conversation with Mykeru?
Nah...Not sure about that. My theory is that "mental chicks" usually come across as articulate, intelligent & charming...and know how to flirt in the way that make men wonder and be distracted (overly risque). So while there's a prospect of Hot Sex... what the MC's want is a Daddy Figure and seek out "alpha" males. So the game begins and the "mental" oscillate between wanting the unconditional fatherly love and guidance to the "fuck me and show me the full force of your passion". The sucker is in two minds and has to serve both functions... the mental is just playing a game.Dick Strawkins wrote:
If you're a shy or introverted type of guy, not accustomed to dating a lot of women, these kind of 'mental chicks' are probably the main group of women that will behave in a sexual way towards you.
It's not surprising that they get a lot of men attracted to them - it's really just a supply and demand situation.
I would guess that it is probably not just sex, but also an emotional/intimacy thing that's the attraction, but both are closely connected. Mental chicks' find it easy to be intimate with others, whereas non-'mental chicks' will much more rarely pursue a relationship with an introverted guy, instead preferring to pick and choose from those guys who actively pursue them.
Radford claims the only reason CFI disciplined him at all was because KS deceived the investigator with the faked emails. I think the allegation of fraud turns on that.Brive1987 wrote:I've spent available time reading the full Radford site and not the 'pit.
Interested to catch up, but .......
Never in my wildest imaginations could I conceive that such a mother lode of evidence existed. No wonder PZ won't post a link.
Moreover it appears Mykeru's instincts were right all along and the situation far less nuanced than I had imagined. Bitch be crazy indeed.
The only niggle I have is - "on what basis did CFI discipline him at all?"
And for KS's motives, I'm going to stop trying to think those thru on any rational basis. Pity this site wasn't available prior to her appeal.
Both sides seem to be beyond the point of no return on this one. I see it becoming a ware of attrition from here on in.AnonymousCowherd wrote: Having doubled down on the retraction retraction, she seems the type to triple down if she gets the chance to feel that she was "right all along". Having the cheer squad bawling away in the background and chipping in their rent money will only promote that. But even if she loses big, there is nothing in the history to suggest her very likely rage will be directed at herself.
Indeedy doodle.paddybrown wrote:I wouldn't say "all guys" - just like I wouldn't say all women go for assholes. But it is a thing.rayshul wrote:I just think all guys find mental chicks hot. That's why we have the "femme fatale" type and the "manic pixie dream girl", which cater to the two ends of sexiness. More or lessly.
I do think calling them "mental" or "crazy" lets asshole women off the hook. In light of Radford's evidence, some are saying they hope Stollznow "gets the help she needs". Fuck that. If the evidence showed Radford had sexually harassed her, would we be hoping he got the help he needed? I think not.
I was in the middle...this has tipped me to Radford's side but I have a sneaking suspicion he hasn't told the whole truth. The ball is firmly on KS' court to retort or wait till court...hey that rhymed! I should get into rap.rayshul wrote:I finished the Radford Files while at work after JV facebooked them. Oh my goodness.
I know that several people on here seemed - before this Great Reveal - to be tending toward the Stollznow side of the affair. Has this altered your views at all?
Great fricken track from a great album ... speaking of mental chicks...Matt Cavanaugh wrote:This one goes out to both Rads and Bax:
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PZ is an ideologue, but I have thought for a long time that his main problem was that he married his childhood sweetheart. He hasn't had the pleasure of going out with range of women that would give him a little bit of cynicism. I got married in my thirties but before then amongst the women who were a pleasure to know, I also met my share of crazies and users.mordacious1 wrote:PZ reminds me of the kid in school who always eggs on someone else to get their ass kicked, but if someone threatens them, they drop their books in a puddle and run home as fast as their chubby little legs will carry them. What a sniveling little asswipe he is.
I think that's the most likely scenario too, but I'm not sure either side has what it takes to go all the way. BR has little choice at the minute but to go to court, but I don't know if his heart, or wallet, is in it. This data dump looks like a way to put pressure on KS for a settlement, but I don't see any evidence she's going to accept that. Once the costs start piling up though, and her lawyers begin to think that winning is less likely, she may simply have to let cooler heads prevail. That won't happen though, until the money is gone and the peanut gallery have gone quiet or forgotten her.Hunt wrote:Both sides seem to be beyond the point of no return on this one. I see it becoming a ware of attrition from here on in.AnonymousCowherd wrote: Having doubled down on the retraction retraction, she seems the type to triple down if she gets the chance to feel that she was "right all along". Having the cheer squad bawling away in the background and chipping in their rent money will only promote that. But even if she loses big, there is nothing in the history to suggest her very likely rage will be directed at herself.
Ben may be just as shitty a person as Stollznow. Baxter's looking like the real "victim" here. Victim as in simp.rayshul wrote:Ben learns the hard way that free sex sometimes has a catch.
:(
One of the great 80s movies. As an 11 or 12 year old I saw this and Weird Science within a few months of each other and was scarred/set for life.Guestus Aurelius wrote:[youtube]rthHSISkM7A[/youtube]
PZ, in addition to being one of the most cynical amoral dickheads in America, really has terrible judgment. If he were anything other than a complacently tenured cow-college professor with free money from his horrible blog, if he actually had to fend for himself and survive on his native character and personality, he'd probably be in jail or sleeping in a dumpster, or at least getting his ass kicked on a weekly basis.decius wrote:He doesn't care for Stollznow one bit. He must spin fast a narrative for his dittoheads and pretend that he isn't shellshocked.James Caruthers wrote:And yeah, is mirroring every single damn thing Radford does on PZ's own blog (complete with childish screaming and yelling) really HELPING Stollznow's case?
I like you. You should post more.Crabman wrote:Are these people taking the absolute piss out of themselves by getting upset over trial by public opinion? It has to be ironic, right? It's not fucking possible to be that completely oblivious.
This is Peez' home turf for fucks sake, they've all been part of it, but now it's time to bring out the fainting couch?
Boggles my fucking mind.
If KS and co. have a reply, I doubt they will be able to hold it back until Court. KS and the gang seem to think the Court of public opinion, as set out in their blogs, is the only Court that matters. The slow leak of alleged debunkings is another way to undermine the opposition. But wait a year or two? PZ might be busy waxing lyrical about visiting porn shops for the science fiction again, or something.TheMan wrote:I was in the middle...this has tipped me to Radford's side but I have a sneaking suspicion he hasn't told the whole truth. The ball is firmly on KS' court to retort or wait till court...hey that rhymed! I should get into rap.rayshul wrote:I finished the Radford Files while at work after JV facebooked them. Oh my goodness.
I know that several people on here seemed - before this Great Reveal - to be tending toward the Stollznow side of the affair. Has this altered your views at all?
Yeah, he did. Good thing I screen-capped them.Kenteken wrote:Is it me or has @parabaxter deleted his tweets of the conversation with Mykeru?
Yeah, he did. Good thing I screen-capped them.Kenteken wrote:Is it me or has @parabaxter deleted his tweets of the conversation with Mykeru?
At first I thought you meant "pot bunny" when you said "bunny pot."Badger3k wrote:From personal experience, you might be amazed how many people will overlook something until afterwards. I almost got caught, but narrowly missed out on the crazy. friends didn't, and their experiences made me glad it never happened. Sometimes the "crazy" part seems more "wild and attractive" rather than "bunny pot".
Anyway ....
Giz a look.Mykeru wrote:Yeah, he did. Good thing I screen-capped them.Kenteken wrote:Is it me or has @parabaxter deleted his tweets of the conversation with Mykeru?
I haz to crop them and reverse the reverse order. It's too early for that shit.Tony Parsehole wrote:Giz a look.Mykeru wrote:Yeah, he did. Good thing I screen-capped them.Kenteken wrote:Is it me or has @parabaxter deleted his tweets of the conversation with Mykeru?
Same for me. The new narrative seems to hold together better than Radford was such an idiot to forge a document and post it. What got me for awhile is that if the stuff Radford posted was sent to PZ then KS and Baxter also had it, then why are they continuing.TheMan wrote:I was in the middle...this has tipped me to Radford's side but I have a sneaking suspicion he hasn't told the whole truth. The ball is firmly on KS' court to retort or wait till court...hey that rhymed! I should get into rap.rayshul wrote:I finished the Radford Files while at work after JV facebooked them. Oh my goodness.
I know that several people on here seemed - before this Great Reveal - to be tending toward the Stollznow side of the affair. Has this altered your views at all?
I think his relationship blind-spot is shared with a lot of others.Michael J wrote:
PZ is an ideologue, but I have thought for a long time that his main problem was that he married his childhood sweetheart. He hasn't had the pleasure of going out with range of women that would give him a little bit of cynicism. I got married in my thirties but before then amongst the women who were a pleasure to know, I also met my share of crazies and users.
If Radford ends up getting even a portion of that pile of baboon cash, the epic rage-tears, topped with my schadenfroth, will fill a domed stadium.Hunt wrote:If it turns out that Radford is right, someone had better be ready to beam PZ into deep space where he can safely explode, seeing that he helped lift $53K, and counting, of his supporter's money.
