Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Bax's rationalization for the backdated emails cannot explain away why Stollzy claims sexual harassment at a time when she was eagerly gobbling Big Ben.

[Ape+lust]

The Radford/Stollsnow post coitus selfie just begs for a pit Photoshop

http://imgur.com/zOj3CRw.jpg

[FlyingV]

PZ Myers
2 April 2014 at 10:20 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
Don’t get cocky. Apparently, Radford’s lawyer has a bit of a reputation as a rabid dog…there’s been some difficulty getting representation because everyone hates to go up against him and deal with the slime. Doing a public data dump to poison the well sounds like exactly the kind of thing this guy would do to win, win, win.

You can also tell what their court case would be. “She’s a slut, she’s mean and vindictive, so she deserves to be punished.” And there are many people who will fall for that.

True dat - there are many people who fall for mean and vindictive sluts.

Skeptics just need to stop putting the pussy on a pedestal.

[Mykeru]

I just have to say, any woman who snoops my laptop is out the door. It's usually a good sign of nutso instability.

I dated a woman in Richmond for a couple months a couple years ago who actually walking into the room, carrying my Motorola Droid and asked me "who is this woman texting you?" I mean, accusatory.

Yes, it was an ex girlfriend. Who has no been married forever and lives in Nashville. I was very nice and accommodating and explained the situation. Didn't want to ruffle her too much.

And when I went back to DC she was done. I didn't even break up via text or phone. Just *plonk*.

It's a huge fucking red flag when someone does boundary-hopping like that. Someone who does that doesn't even deserve an explanation.

[feralandproud]

The Radford/Stollsnow post coitus selfie just begs for a pit Photoshop

http://imgur.com/zOj3CRw.jpg

Oh...my...god...I can't.....ffffuc...k..*sputter*

[JackSkeptic]

Print it and frame it:

http://i.imgur.com/iYGck6g.jpg

Good old PZM. 'Making stuff up so you don't have to'.

[BarnOwl]

The Radford/Stollsnow post coitus selfie just begs for a pit Photoshop

http://imgur.com/zOj3CRw.jpg

:: officially afraid to go to sleep now ::

:shock:

[Spike13]

Darkmatter2525 confirmed for Pitter/Slymeshit/Rapist.

His comment is on the newest thunderfoot video.

I always liked Dark matter...even if he drives an awesome wussy lotus instead of a Charger

What does it even mean, he “confirmed for Pitter/Slymeshit/Rapist”?

Merely by associating or suspected of associating with the Pit, you are a rapist or worse a rape apologist.
Whether you drive a Lotus or a Charger!

[James Caruthers]

What does it even mean, he “confirmed for Pitter/Slymeshit/Rapist”?

Read the comments. Darkmatter2525 goes on record as being reasonably anti-SJW.

[deLurch]

I cannot believe that Baxter is still responding to Mykeru.

It is a cry for help. He knows he is fucked (by being the Karen, not by Radford) but he can't quite admit it to himself.

[KiwiInOz]

Yes, I could definitely see how copying and pasting and forwarding e-mails multiple times might result in all the dates being exactly right except for the years, which now coincidentally match (rather than contradict) the timeline of the harassment accusations. And surely all that is completely unrelated to the excerpts' in question having been removed from their original (harmless) context.

:bjarte:

Now you're just being hyper-skeptical.

[Aneris]

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PZ Myers
2 April 2014 at 11:36 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
Where are the inaccuracies? People here, like me, are rightfully appalled at what Radford has just dumped on the web. It’s a blatant attempt to skew public opinion before his case goes to trial, and further, it backfires on him — it makes him look like a real skeevy creep. If he’s in the right, he should be just sitting smug and quiet, ready to unload in court…and here he is, dropping all this stuff on us and everyone else.

We’re not judges, you may notice, nor are we on any jury, nor do most of us have any legal training. So why, you ought to be asking yourself, is your pal Ben playing this peculiar game?

Would you care to try and defend releasing that photo?

[Spike13]

The Radford/Stollsnow post coitus selfie just begs for a pit Photoshop

http://imgur.com/zOj3CRw.jpg

Why does his chin look like balls?

[justinvacula]

PZ Myers
2 April 2014 at 10:20 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
Don’t get cocky. Apparently, Radford’s lawyer has a bit of a reputation as a rabid dog…there’s been some difficulty getting representation because everyone hates to go up against him and deal with the slime. Doing a public data dump to poison the well sounds like exactly the kind of thing this guy would do to win, win, win.

You can also tell what their court case would be. “She’s a slut, she’s mean and vindictive, so she deserves to be punished.” And there are many people who will fall for that.

True dat - there are many people who fall for mean and vindictive sluts.

Skeptics just need to stop putting the pussy on a pedestal.

[youtube]WsnXQdkqChg[/youtube]

[Guestus Aurelius]

PZ Myers
2 April 2014 at 10:20 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
Don’t get cocky. Apparently, Radford’s lawyer has a bit of a reputation as a rabid dog…there’s been some difficulty getting representation because everyone hates to go up against him and deal with the slime. Doing a public data dump to poison the well sounds like exactly the kind of thing this guy would do to win, win, win.

You can also tell what their court case would be. “She’s a slut, she’s mean and vindictive, so she deserves to be punished.” And there are many people who will fall for that.

:lol:

No, their court case would be something more like, "She altered dates on e-mails submitted as evidence to Ben's employer to fit her timeline, other e-mail evidence disproves her timeline and demonstrates that she was pretty damn friendly toward Ben in the immediate aftermath of the alleged assault, she has a history of paranoia and jealousy and violence according to both police reports and a letter written by her now-husband, her accusations have been damaging to Ben in many ways, and the evidence suggests that those accusations are false, so she should be found guilty of defamation and fraud and should recompense Ben."

If Karen has more evidence, then their court case will also presumably address that.

And where did Ben call Karen a slut or imply that she is one? She might be a cheater, but if anything, the e-mail evidence Ben posted suggests that he's the one who might be a little on the slutty side (she wanted something more serious, he didn't).

[Spike13]

I just have to say, any woman who snoops my laptop is out the door. It's usually a good sign of nutso instability.

I dated a woman in Richmond for a couple months a couple years ago who actually walking into the room, carrying my Motorola Droid and asked me "who is this woman texting you?" I mean, accusatory.

Yes, it was an ex girlfriend. Who has no been married forever and lives in Nashville. I was very nice and accommodating and explained the situation. Didn't want to ruffle her too much.

And when I went back to DC she was done. I didn't even break up via text or phone. Just *plonk*.

It's a huge fucking red flag when someone does boundary-hopping like that. Someone who does that doesn't even deserve an explanation.

Ding! Ding!

[Gefan]

I'm considering opening a book on all this:

The board currently looks like this:

Sex tape comes to light before we're done: 2 to 1

Said tape involves duct tape and a garden weasel: 5 to 2

The Midnight Marauder expires from dehydration: 4 to 1

Peez makes it up to 1000RPM before this time tomorrow: 1 to 3

Stollznow accuses Michael Shermer of having her abducted by aliens: 3 to 2

Stollznow becomes roomies with Jodi Arias: 1000 to 1 (jurisdictional issue - no particular reason for Baxter (or parts of him, at any rate) to show up in Arizona)

[Pitchguest]

Print it and frame it:

http://i.imgur.com/iYGck6g.jpg

Ahahahahahahahaha!

He memoryholed it!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[FlyingV]

Quick! Switch on irony meter, set to 1000µZvan: PZ Myers concerned about “blatant attempt to skew public opinion”

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PZ Myers
2 April 2014 at 11:36 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
Where are the inaccuracies? People here, like me, are rightfully appalled at what Radford has just dumped on the web. It’s a blatant attempt to skew public opinion before his case goes to trial, and further, it backfires on him — it makes him look like a real skeevy creep. If he’s in the right, he should be just sitting smug and quiet, ready to unload in court…and here he is, dropping all this stuff on us and everyone else.

We’re not judges, you may notice, nor are we on any jury, nor do most of us have any legal training. So why, you ought to be asking yourself, is your pal Ben playing this peculiar game?

Would you care to try and defend releasing that photo?

If the FTB idiots spent half as much time vetting their own side as they spend trying to dig up dirt on their enemies, he wouldn't look like such a dumb fucking cunt right now (or, he wouldn't look like a martyr to a bunch of dumb fucking cunts.)

[Spike13]

I'm considering opening a book on all this:

The board currently looks like this:

Sex tape comes to light before we're done: 2 to 1

Said tape involves duct tape and a garden weasel: 5 to 2

The Midnight Marauder expires from dehydration: 4 to 1

Peez makes it up to 1000RPM before this time tomorrow: 1 to 3

Stollznow accuses Michael Shermer of having her abducted by aliens: 3 to 2

Stollznow becomes roomies with Jodi Arias: 1000 to 1 (jurisdictional issue - no particular reason for Baxter (or parts of him, at any rate) to show up in Arizona)

No! That was the mistake of the holy blood /holy grail guys...
Write a book... Fiction! It!ll put the da Vinci code to shame!

[Matt Cavanaugh]

I'm considering opening a book on all this:

The board currently looks like this:

Sex tape comes to light before we're done: 2 to 1

Said tape involves duct tape and a garden weasel: 5 to 2

The Midnight Marauder expires from dehydration: 4 to 1

Peez makes it up to 1000RPM before this time tomorrow: 1 to 3

Stollznow accuses Michael Shermer of having her abducted by aliens: 3 to 2

Stollznow becomes roomies with Jodi Arias: 1000 to 1 (jurisdictional issue - no particular reason for Baxter (or parts of him, at any rate) to show up in Arizona)

I'll take all those odds, and wager $50 bucks on each -- or equal to whatever amount d1m0n3 contributes to the Radford Defense Fund, whichever is less.

[Spike13]

Oh, that was baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad :naughty:

Thank you Clarence, and also thank you for your critique of the song parody!

Good recovery, Spike. You're all right!

Thank you oh great one!
I am not worthy of your praise!
By the by for a North Korean despot you got one hell of a rack!

In all seriousness, thank you!

[Matt Cavanaugh]

I also strongly urge Baxter to run Stollznow in a claiming race. ASAP.

[JackSkeptic]

Sitting back and enjoying Mykeru tweeting to Batxtor :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

Baxter comes across as reasonable and level headed. He is not falling for Mykeru's bad guy act either. Mykeru, why the hell has he not blocked you?

[Spike13]

Quick! Switch on irony meter, set to 1000µZvan: PZ Myers concerned about “blatant attempt to skew public opinion”

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PZ Myers
2 April 2014 at 11:36 pm (UTC -5) Link to this comment
Where are the inaccuracies? People here, like me, are rightfully appalled at what Radford has just dumped on the web. It’s a blatant attempt to skew public opinion before his case goes to trial, and further, it backfires on him — it makes him look like a real skeevy creep. If he’s in the right, he should be just sitting smug and quiet, ready to unload in court…and here he is, dropping all this stuff on us and everyone else.

We’re not judges, you may notice, nor are we on any jury, nor do most of us have any legal training. So why, you ought to be asking yourself, is your pal Ben playing this peculiar game?

Would you care to try and defend releasing that photo?

If the FTB idiots spent half as much time vetting their own side as they spend trying to dig up dirt on their enemies, he wouldn't look like such a dumb fucking cunt right now (or, he wouldn't look like a martyr to a bunch of dumb fucking cunts.)

That is skepticism now to them. Disprove by real means or fantasy the horrible MRA narrative ( even though we aren't all MRA's...)
They have their safe space with PZ. Nothing shall shake the great cloak of inclusiveness!(unless you are bringers of inconvenient truths)

[James Caruthers]

He's probably just a Nice Guy, and he was busy being a Nice Guy and got upset when he thought he had hurt the kitten. Which Karen of course abused by peeping his laptop.

Baxter may very well be a genuinely kind soul, but he sounds like a sucker on twitter when he describes how Karen "cut and pasted" emails to him. And after all the lying he claims to have witnessed from her end, he still believes that she is being honest about this shit.

I just have to say, any woman who snoops my laptop is out the door. It's usually a good sign of nutso instability.

YES!!!
When I was married I wouldn't go into my wife's purse without permission.
Privacy is a mark of trust. Abuse it at your cost!

I would never go through the personal effects of any family member or trusted friend without their permission. I never peeped an ex's laptop or cared about what their email accounts looked like. Never went snooping for her gay slash fanfiction, Twilight fanfiction, pictures of Ryan Gosling or whatever it is womyn schlick to. :lol:

The only, the only women I have ever met who cared so much about knowing absolutely everything about their partner (usually citing trust issues or some bullshit) ended up being controlling, manipulative and selfish.

I happen to feel that secrets can be very healthy, contrary to what tabloid relationship gurus might say. Everyone needs their privacy, and everyone needs time and space for themselves. Most secrets are just personal bullshit that's nobody else's business. No, not even a partner.

I dated a woman in Richmond for a couple months a couple years ago who actually walking into the room, carrying my Motorola Droid and asked me "who is this woman texting you?" I mean, accusatory.

Yes, it was an ex girlfriend. Who has no been married forever and lives in Nashville. I was very nice and accommodating and explained the situation. Didn't want to ruffle her too much.

And when I went back to DC she was done. I didn't even break up via text or phone. Just *plonk*.

It's a huge fucking red flag when someone does boundary-hopping like that. Someone who does that doesn't even deserve an explanation.

Yeah, I knew one girl (in the getting-to-know-you-stage) who would constantly ask all these boundary-violating questions. What I eventually realized (young and inexperienced here), was it was all about control. Often, I tend to think women who are so obsessed with who a guy is talking to, who he is emailing or what he is looking at online are secret control freaks, trying to cut off all sources of competition for a man's attention. :lol:

It seems silly, and maybe a bit too MRA for some, but there's no question in my mind that a lot of this laptop snooping comes back to a manipulator's insecure desire for complete control, mixed with fear that teh dreaded pr0nz or teh evul other womynz will provide a man with saner alternatives to dealing with her narcissistic web of bullshit. At the beginning of ANY relationship, a BPD or NPD abuser has to test to see if the man will role over and be her bitch/slave.

[Aneris]

I worry more about Karen. Lets say it was a mess, emotions got the better of her, she forged mails and then thought it a good idea to collect money to defend herself, and dug herself deeper into the mess, has that volatile and low self-esteem personality — that's not good.

[FlyingV]

If the FTB idiots spent half as much time vetting their own side as they spend trying to dig up dirt on their enemies, he wouldn't look like such a dumb fucking cunt right now (or, he wouldn't look like a martyr to a bunch of dumb fucking cunts.)

That is skepticism now to them. Disprove by real means or fantasy the horrible MRA narrative ( even though we aren't all MRA's...)
They have their safe space with PZ. Nothing shall shake the great cloak of inclusiveness!(unless you are bringers of inconvenient truths)

If I heard PZ screaming from a fire, it wouldn't be the worst thing I've ever heard.

[Aneris]

I worry more about Karen. Lets say it was a mess, emotions got the better of her, she forged mails and then thought it a good idea to collect money to defend herself, and dug herself deeper into the mess, has that volatile and low self-esteem personality — that's not good.

I should stress *IF* that is the case, and she knows. I don't and suspend judgment.

[Spike13]

On my last point I hopeM MM is patient tonight as the latest news is sure to curtail PZ's slumbers.

[Quiz]

Sitting back and enjoying Mykeru tweeting to Batxtor :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

Baxter comes across as reasonable and level headed. He is not falling for Mykeru's bad guy act either. Mykeru, why the hell has he not blocked you?

He says that there is more evidence that no one has seen yet, but then he says that they don't have the original emails and they are just copy/paste. I liked his response to Gefen though

[Spike13]

He's probably just a Nice Guy, and he was busy being a Nice Guy and got upset when he thought he had hurt the kitten. Which Karen of course abused by peeping his laptop.

Baxter may very well be a genuinely kind soul, but he sounds like a sucker on twitter when he describes how Karen "cut and pasted" emails to him. And after all the lying he claims to have witnessed from her end, he still believes that she is being honest about this shit.

I just have to say, any woman who snoops my laptop is out the door. It's usually a good sign of nutso instability.

YES!!!
When I was married I wouldn't go into my wife's purse without permission.
Privacy is a mark of trust. Abuse it at your cost!

I would never go through the personal effects of any family member or trusted friend without their permission. I never peeped an ex's laptop or cared about what their email accounts looked like. Never went snooping for her gay slash fanfiction, Twilight fanfiction, pictures of Ryan Gosling or whatever it is womyn schlick to. :lol:

The only, the only women I have ever met who cared so much about knowing absolutely everything about their partner (usually citing trust issues or some bullshit) ended up being controlling, manipulative and selfish.

I happen to feel that secrets can be very healthy, contrary to what tabloid relationship gurus might say. Everyone needs their privacy, and everyone needs time and space for themselves. Most secrets are just personal bullshit that's nobody else's business. No, not even a partner.

I dated a woman in Richmond for a couple months a couple years ago who actually walking into the room, carrying my Motorola Droid and asked me "who is this woman texting you?" I mean, accusatory.

Yes, it was an ex girlfriend. Who has no been married forever and lives in Nashville. I was very nice and accommodating and explained the situation. Didn't want to ruffle her too much.

And when I went back to DC she was done. I didn't even break up via text or phone. Just *plonk*.

It's a huge fucking red flag when someone does boundary-hopping like that. Someone who does that doesn't even deserve an explanation.

Yeah, I knew one girl (in the getting-to-know-you-stage) who would constantly ask all these boundary-violating questions. What I eventually realized (young and inexperienced here), was it was all about control. Often, I tend to think women who are so obsessed with who a guy is talking to, who he is emailing or what he is looking at online are secret control freaks, trying to cut off all sources of competition for a man's attention. :lol:

It seems silly, and yoursmaybe a bit too MRA for some, but there's no question in my mind that a lot of this laptop snooping comes back to a manipulator's insecure desire for complete control, mixed with fear that teh dreaded pr0nz or teh evul other womynz will provide a man with saner alternatives to dealing with her narcissistic web of bullshit. At the beginning of ANY relationship, a BPD or NPD abuser has to test to see if the man will role over and be her bitch/slave.

BANG! Brother! Excellent post!
My ex dan't know about what I posted earlier(some close friends do)) I need my space.you need yours.

[Tapir]

It's all too much for Ibis3.

http://i.imgur.com/XERifM7.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/jCpxyGM.jpg

:lol:

These are the worst people, ever.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

This one goes out to both Rads and Bax:


[youtube]pokyLl-633o[/youtube]

[Spike13]

I worry more about Karen. Lets say it was a mess, emotions got the better of her, she forged mails and then thought it a good idea to collect money to defend herself, and dug herself deeper into the mess, has that volatile and low self-esteem personality — that's not good.

True, if things we have seen are true, she ends help. The sad thing would be that someone of her accomplishments would be suffering from low self esteem. She has achieved a doctorate in linguistics.
I can't even fathom what that is, never mind get one. I don't want to see KS crucified, I want her to get help(if what I have seen is true) we need as many skeptics /atheists as possible to go against the rising tide of ancient nonsense.

[Spike13]

I worry more about Karen. Lets say it was a mess, emotions got the better of her, she forged mails and then thought it a good idea to collect money to defend herself, and dug herself deeper into the mess, has that volatile and low self-esteem personality — that's not good.

I should stress *IF* that is the case, and she knows. I don't and suspend judgment.

Of course, if I am wrong in my feeling of how this will turn out, I will be the first to apologize and admit mistake.

[JackSkeptic]

Is that the case? That any business or third party can be compelled to turn over documents, property, evidence, etc., for civil cases that otherwise don't involve them?

What in law or the Constitution enables that?

I'm not a legal expert, but to my knowledge yes, that's standard practice with subpeonas. The court can either order you to appear and give testimony or to provide documents and material evidence.

Sure, but for Civil cases?

[James Caruthers]

Hey Spike, stick this in your space pipe and smoke it.

[youtube]QTQDbOER_qU[/youtube]

This guy is a christian, and so sometimes he says stupid religious stuff in his videos. But I do like his insight on how emotional abuse and manipulation happens in relationships. Most of the examples are based on his own life or people he knows. Some of the craziest conversations on his channel are supposedly copypaste from his real life.

[Sunder]

Is that the case? That any business or third party can be compelled to turn over documents, property, evidence, etc., for civil cases that otherwise don't involve them?

What in law or the Constitution enables that?

I'm not a legal expert, but to my knowledge yes, that's standard practice with subpeonas. The court can either order you to appear and give testimony or to provide documents and material evidence.

Sure, but for Civil cases?

Yes. A subpoena is a subpoena. There doesn't seem to be any distinction between subpoenas issued in civil vs. criminal cases. If a court orders you to hand over documents, you either comply or are held in contempt.

[JacquesCuze]

Is that the case? That any business or third party can be compelled to turn over documents, property, evidence, etc., for civil cases that otherwise don't involve them?

What in law or the Constitution enables that?

I'm not a legal expert, but to my knowledge yes, that's standard practice with subpeonas. The court can either order you to appear and give testimony or to provide documents and material evidence.

Sure, but for Civil cases?

Turns out googling "how to subpoena gmail logs" brings up some interesting sites that describe the process, and say, that if you present them with the proper civil subpoena they will respond. But you have to be specific. They can try to fight it and will depending on how privacy invading it is. And none of the sites I saw discussed smtp server SMTP logs, just web server (HTTP) logs and other logs and other records.

[Spike13]

Hey Spike, stick this in your space pipe and smoke it.

[youtube]QTQDbOER_qU[/youtube]

This guy is a christian, and so sometimes he says stupid religious stuff in his videos. But I do like his insight on how emotional abuse and manipulation happens in relationships. Most of the examples are based on his own life or people he knows. Some of the craziest conversations on his channel are supposedly copypaste from his real life.

Ouch! I know guys like that!
The trick is to maintain an apt. No one would want to live in. Lol

By the way James, much like Clarence's posts, which I can't help but read in the style of quagmire, I cannot help but read yours in the style of Capt.Picard. Giving your voice an incredible gravity of wisdom and experience.

[Skep tickle]

Interesting all around today - to say the least.

BR's evidence certainly looks much more robust than anything that KS has put forward, or others have put forward on her behalf, and contained quite a few surprises that look to be well documented.

Agree with concerns about MB's health & welfare in the situation, right now.

Someone asked about the reliability of the forensics company, Flashback Data, in Austin TX - I'm not sure how best to investigate them (investigate a company that specializes in forensics, ha) but this Better Business Bureau (BBB) page is a tiny step in that direction; it says the company started in 3/2004 & has been registered with the BBB since 4/2005, has an A+ rating with BBB (in part due to how long they've been around, also due to having had zero complaints in past 3 years). Flashback is also listed at "Find The Best" under Computer Forensics companies. (I've never used "Find the Best" before, & note it doesn't say anything about the company that isn't on the company's website.)

Interesting to see Robert Blaskiewicz posting in PZ's "Jesus F. Christ" thread, using words like "facts" and "fraud", setting off howling by the commentariat (and apparently inspiring a couple of them to give more to KS's fund, uh to spite him or something).

PZ can hardly delete Blaskiewicz's posts - or can he?

RB weighs back in at #110 & #111 to say (2 adjacent posts combined here; last line is from 2nd one):

Let’s say that Radford wins, no matter how. The discussions about him on this and other forums are likely to influence the compensation he gets because the lawsuit is in large part about reputation. Discussions like this are, let’s face it, material evidence in his favor if he wins. So you better be damned sure about what you say, because it’s not your ass on the line; it’s Karen’s.

And you could be on any side of this debate and say that, I should mention.

In #113, PZ posts the email addresses of 3 JREF Board members, apparently suggesting people email them - instead of the main JREF contact emails, since he knows those all go right to Grothe, in which case the email "will get trashed by the recipient." What does he think people will say by email to JREF that will "help"?

And Robert Blaskiewicz (RB) is hanging in there, & the thread is degenerating; in #120, Ibis says "Go fuck yourself, Robert. I’m sure you can find some pic of that Radford turd to wank off to somewhere." And in #121, RB says (replying to someone above #120), "I’m not saying shut up. I’m saying be accurate." Followed later by one person calling RB a "FUCKING ASSHOLE" and Ibis again saying to RB "You, yes you, are a sadistic, immoral asshole to be defending this shitstain. Oh, my.

This tweet from ~1.5 hrs ago was also interesting:

Damion Reinhardt @D4M10N

@BirdTerrifier Amazing time talking to @karenstollznow for the @AtheistOK podcast tonight. Exhausted now.

9:01pm · 2 Apr 14 · Twitter for iPhone

:popcorn:

[Kenteken]

Perhaps I'm misreading it, but I parse the ungrammatical original as "a point of view that Colbert takes himself to be speaking for, [namely the one of] liberals, racial minorities, [and] the underprivileged."

I read it as "a" point of view.

That seems valid to me. I vaguely know some people who hold those views, call themselves liberal, and seem to speak in behalf of named categories.

[JackSkeptic]

I'm not a legal expert, but to my knowledge yes, that's standard practice with subpeonas. The court can either order you to appear and give testimony or to provide documents and material evidence.

Sure, but for Civil cases?

Turns out googling "how to subpoena gmail logs" brings up some interesting sites that describe the process, and say, that if you present them with the proper civil subpoena they will respond. But you have to be specific. They can try to fight it and will depending on how privacy invading it is. And none of the sites I saw discussed smtp server SMTP logs, just web server (HTTP) logs and other logs and other records.

Thanks for that, and Sunder too.

[AndrewV69]

Print it and frame it:

http://i.imgur.com/iYGck6g.jpg

Ahahahahahahahaha!

He memoryholed it!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Fucken Hell!!!! I just started braying like a constipated donkey.

(if the shoe fits ... whatever man fucken hell)

[Spike13]

Skep tickle,
Flashback data as an A+ rating with the BBB
I think we all know what is thought of A+ thank you very much.
Sarcasm! This was sarcasm!

[Clarence]

I worry more about Karen. Lets say it was a mess, emotions got the better of her, she forged mails and then thought it a good idea to collect money to defend herself, and dug herself deeper into the mess, has that volatile and low self-esteem personality — that's not good.

True, if things we have seen are true, she ends help. The sad thing would be that someone of her accomplishments would be suffering from low self esteem. She has achieved a doctorate in linguistics.
I can't even fathom what that is, never mind get one. I don't want to see KS crucified, I want her to get help(if what I have seen is true) we need as many skeptics /atheists as possible to go against the rising tide of ancient nonsense.

I'm sorry I can't be a 'bigger' man about this.
No, I don't want her harming herself physically, let alone anyone else - like Baxter.
Yes, I do want her to suffer IF she is guilty of what Radford seems to have proof of.

Right now, ANYONE who is against the SJW's their reputation and livelihood is often at stake. True, someone like Dawkins might be too "big a fish", but the medium sized 'names' and smaller tend to be far more vulnerable. Look at Radford. I can't be 100 percent sure of his basic innocence in this (only 99 percent) because of this accusation, because how crazy it would seem that someone would just make this up because of rage or envy. And that's sad. See, my 'introduction' to skepticism was via The Skeptical Enquirer (even had a subscription for awhile in the mid 90's) in the late 80's or early 90's. Dawkins, Randi, and CSIOP as well as that magazine have been very important in my life. I still read the occasional issue, and THAT is how I learned of Ben Radford.
So he is 'someone' who , while not as important or smart or even telegenic as a Dawkins has done alot of good in the world. Oh, not as much good perhaps as feeding starving orphans, but far better than most people on this blue marble. And now, due to totally unproven accusations by a woman who seems malignant and a bit batty (probably both) his career has been placed on hold, his reputation to 'casual' skeptics and (to a limited extent) the general public at large outside of the community has been shattered, his privacy impinged, and his wallet thinned. All based on (so far) on totally unevidenced accusations that the SJW contingent have been content to exploit and spread around for their own ideological and personal gain, in a MOST UNSKEPTICAL fashion.

It pisses me off. These shitheads have managed to come into one of the very few and small areas where science and reason and open-mindedness are supposed to rule and conduct a fucking witch hunt. Radford is already a victim of theirs even if he never was guilty and even if he wins his civil suit. He'll never recover much of anything from her, and to some he'll always be someone who is guilty BECAUSE accused. But it can be anyone of us, really. Even if one can agree that , for instance, 'harassment' policies at Cons are NECESSARY, you know as well as I who is pushing for them, and often who ends up writing them. And like they do with those accused they show no evidence of valuing truth or investigation when they talk about the scope of their various issues or what the solutions should be.

It's easy enough to laugh at them here , and it is a comforting (and mostly, I think true) thought that most of them are whiny armchair activists with neither the inclination or the skill to push their shit into the wider skeptical community. Alas, I think cases like this show the opposite. It only takes a few dedicated SJW theists to do tremendous damage.

Perhaps if faux 'damsel in distress' is caught out, and better yet suffers for her perfidity, an example will be set. If nothing else, this case could possibly be used to show that the SJW's have nothing of any REASONABLE value to say, as reason is anathema to them. So yes, I hope Karen Stollznow finds her ass "persona non grata" at skeptics events in the future.

[JackSkeptic]

There should be trigger warnings at the Slympit: 'Warning: Content is likely to cause head explosion'

[Steersman]

Print it and frame it:

http://i.imgur.com/iYGck6g.jpg

Ahahahahahahahaha!

He memoryholed it!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Fucken Hell!!!! I just started braying like a constipated donkey.

(if the shoe fits ... whatever man fucken hell)

Not sure what the point is that everyone is referring to, but I see that that comment of PZ's is still there:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-777220

[Skep tickle]

Spike13 - LOL

Pitchguest - I still see PZ's comment #85 even after refreshing, & on leaving the page and checking in again - is it indeed gone from view for you or others?

[AndrewV69]

Not sure what the point is that everyone is referring to, but I see that that comment of PZ's is still there:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-777220

Yep still there Steers. I was laughing at the idea that PeeZuss would memoryhole the comment and no I did not check to see if he actually had.

(not skeptical enough clearly)

[Spike13]

I worry more about Karen. Lets say it was a mess, emotions got the better of her, she forged mails and then thought it a good idea to collect money to defend herself, and dug herself deeper into the mess, has that volatile and low self-esteem personality — that's not good.

True, if things we have seen are true, she ends help. The sad thing would be that someone of her accomplishments would be suffering from low self esteem. She has achieved a doctorate in linguistics.
I can't even fathom what that is, never mind get one. I don't want to see KS crucified, I want her to get help(if what I have seen is true) we need as many skeptics /atheists as possible to go against the rising tide of ancient nonsense.

I'm sorry I can't be a 'bigger' man about this.
No, I don't want her harming herself physically, let alone anyone else - like Baxter.
Yes, I do want her to suffer IF she is guilty of what Radford seems to have proof of.

Right now, ANYONE who is against the SJW's their reputation and livelihood is often at stake. True, someone like Dawkins might be too "big a fish", but the medium sized 'names' and smaller tend to be far more vulnerable. Look at Radford. I can't be 100 percent sure of his basic innocence in this (only 99 percent) because of this accusation, because how crazy it would seem that someone would just make this up because of rage or envy. And that's sad. See, my 'introduction' to skepticism was via The Skeptical Enquirer (even had a subscription for awhile in the mid 90's) in the late 80's or early 90's. Dawkins, Randi, and CSIOP as well as that magazine have been very important in my life. I still read the occasional issue, and THAT is how I learned of Ben Radford.
So he is 'someone' who , while not as important or smart or even telegenic as a Dawkins has done alot of good in the world. Oh, not as much good perhaps as feeding starving orphans, but far better than most people on this blue marble. And now, due to totally unproven accusations by a woman who seems malignant and a bit batty (probably both) his career has been placed on hold, his reputation to 'casual' skeptics and (to a limited extent) the general public at large outside of the community has been shattered, his privacy impinged, and his wallet thinned. All based on (so far) on totally unevidenced accusations that the SJW contingent have been content to exploit and spread around for their own ideological and personal gain, in a MOST UNSKEPTICAL fashion.

It pisses me off. These shitheads have managed to come into one of the very few and small areas where science and reason and open-mindedness are supposed to rule and conduct a fucking witch hunt. Radford is already a victim of theirs even if he never was guilty and even if he wins his civil suit. He'll never recover much of anything from her, and to some he'll always be someone who is guilty BECAUSE accused. But it can be anyone of us, really. Even if one can agree that , for instance, 'harassment' policies at Cons are NECESSARY, you know as well as I who is pushing for them, and often who ends up writing them. And like they do with those accused they show no evidence of valuing truth or investigation when they talk about the scope of their various issues or what the solutions should be.

It's easy enough to laugh at them here , and it is a comforting (and mostly, I think true) thought that most of them are whiny armchair activists with neither the inclination or the skill to push their shit into the wider skeptical community. Alas, I think cases like this show the opposite. It only takes a few dedicated SJW theists to do tremendous damage.

Perhaps if faux 'damsel in distress' is caught out, and better yet suffers for her perfidity, an example will be set. If nothing else, this case could possibly be used to show that the SJW's have nothing of any REASONABLE value to say, as reason is anathema to them. So yes, I hope Karen Stollznow finds her ass "persona non grata" at skeptics events in the future.

And that is fine Clarence, you have a closer link to this than many here.
I had never heard of Ben Radford before this, but, to you he was a voice that made skepticism/atheism accessible to you. I respect that. All anyone wants is the truth. Let the heavens fall.
I think that is what the Slymepit is about. No holy cows(exept Robokitty and the facist tit)
Let the chips fall where they will. We will suck it up and deal with I. Reality over fantasy.

[DeepInsideYourMind]

Is that the case? That any business or third party can be compelled to turn over documents, property, evidence, etc., for civil cases that otherwise don't involve them?

What in law or the Constitution enables that?

I'm not a legal expert, but to my knowledge yes, that's standard practice with subpeonas. The court can either order you to appear and give testimony or to provide documents and material evidence.

Sure, but for Civil cases?

A court can order what it likes of any company in it's jurisdiction

[James Caruthers]

Ouch! I know guys like that!
The trick is to maintain an apt. No one would want to live in. Lol

By the way James, much like Clarence's posts, which I can't help but read in the style of quagmire, I cannot help but read yours in the style of Capt.Picard. Giving your voice an incredible gravity of wisdom and experience.

Ah yes, that gravitas.

[youtube]i-zdMkOZTKs[/youtube]

[youtube]g3rFNbSKpEE[/youtube]

Fix that for you yet? :lol:

[Brive1987]

I've spent available time reading the full Radford site and not the 'pit.

Interested to catch up, but .......

Never in my wildest imaginations could I conceive that such a mother lode of evidence existed. No wonder PZ won't post a link.

Moreover it appears Mykeru's instincts were right all along and the situation far less nuanced than I had imagined. Bitch be crazy indeed.

The only niggle I have is - "on what basis did CFI discipline him at all?"

And for KS's motives, I'm going to stop trying to think those thru on any rational basis. Pity this site wasn't available prior to her appeal.

[Spike13]

Ouch! I know guys like that!
The trick is to maintain an apt. No one would want to live in. Lol

By the way James, much like Clarence's posts, which I can't help but read in the style of quagmire, I cannot help but read yours in the style of Capt.Picard. Giving your voice an incredible gravity of wisdom and experience.

Ah yes, that gravitas.

[youtube]i-zdMkOZTKs[/youtube]

[youtube]g3rFNbSKpEE[/youtube]

Fix that for you yet? :lol:[/quote

] I'd still follow him against the Borg and the Cardasians

[Guestus Aurelius]

Okay, I'm going to bed, so nobody post anything for like 8 hours.

Thank you for your cooperation.

[Spike13]

As long as I was flying the Swordfish of course

[JacquesCuze]

The only niggle I have is - "on what basis did CFI discipline him at all?"

Very cynically, investigative disciplinary committees exist to discipline. No one here gets out alive.

That's why you don't invite vampires into your house.

[Avalyne]

....AND.... it has taken about 3 hours to catch up on all the dish (that would be 3 hours of my life I'll never get back, btw). :roll:

But, it's like a fucking train wreck. I'm compelled to gawk and rubber-neck. Can't wait to see what MM has in store for us all. It's like waiting for Santa. I don't know if I'll be able to sleep tonight. :popcorn: