Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

[Richard Dworkins]

It's a combo of both :). In no way do I think women should lay the burden on men. But really? I'm left thinking that SCOTUS is thinking with their dicks (and to be honest, I realize that they understand it takes two to tango but the current law doesn't give a shit). In my mind it's keep your knees together and put your dick back in your pants.

Nah they're thinking, as usual, with their wallets, if they were thinking with their dicks they'd make birth control and abortions mandatory for women who didn't have a government approved breeding licence as well as allowing men to sue such women for damages for psychological trauma.

[Jan Steen]

Oh, BTW, I found this old thread where the Horde went into full-on rape-apology mode for Oggie, starting here:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-686346

It's chock full of crazy and saccharine sentimentality, in equal measure. Of course, now they all pretend that what they were all talking quite plainly about back then is just some slymer meme.

In case any of that gets memory holed: https://web.archive.org/web/20130908101 ... nt-page-2/

Funny to see Oggie himself repeating 'Slymepit memes' here.

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Ogvorbis
6 September 2013 at 9:30 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

It is hardly untenable to point out that an adult is not responsible for actions taken at 12.

But you are still supporting someone who abused children without being forced to do so.

This is a special community, and you’re a part of it.

Which is how I am able to damage the community.

You have as much right to a safe space as any other victim of rape.

But as a rapist, I don’t.

sometimes there’s such a very fine, fine line between victimizing others and being a victim of others.

Which is a line that I crossed.

Anything you did or may have done under coercion from your abuser is not your fault.

But I was not coerced. I knew it was wrong and still did it.

You are not the single person who was so advanced and mature as a 12 year old that you did know better than every other 12 year old in the world.

I knew it was wrong and did it anyway though.

You don’t frighten me.

I frighten me.

There's still more drama, faux outrage and hugging in a Thunderdome thread of 11 September 2013, where Peezus bans and devowels a commenter called stephen who dared to attack Oggie by suggesting that his 'recovered memories' may be suspect.

Oggie even has the temerity to accuse stephen of rape apologia for doubting his word.

No, Oggie, this is rape apologia [one of several examples]:

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Jacob Schmidt
6 September 2013 at 9:43 am (UTC -5) Link to this comment

Ogvorbis

But you are still supporting someone who abused children without being forced to do so.

I am supporting a victim of rape. Full stop.

But as a rapist, I don’t.

Fuck that. Any victim deserves to have a space to heal. Any one who was hurt as bad as you deserves support to fix that damage.

On top of that, you were twelve. Ogvorbis, you were twelve. You don’t deserve to be held responsible for mistakes you made at twelve years old.

https://web.archive.org/web/20130908101 ... nt-page-2/

Why do you never call your defenders 'rape apologists'?

Strangely, on the Thunderdome thread of 11 September Oggie seems to have forgotten that he had already admitted on 6 September that he is a rapist who wasn't coerced and knew that what he did was wrong. The spin is somehow different here:

And I remember what I did later. What I did once. The time that I stared into an abyss and made a very uninformed decision that, since I had done what he trained me to do I was now a man and never had to do it again. I made the right decision but for a very wrong reason. But I backed away.

Here he seems to suggest that he thought that what he was doing was normal behaviour to become a man. As if he didn't know it was wrong. :think:

The guy is a pathological liar, and that's being charitable.

Phil, you look ... interesting. May you recover soon. And for fuck's sake, stay away from thunderstorms.

[Guestus Aurelius]

I daydream of SCOTUS deciding companies shouldn't have to pay for birth control because basing health care coverage on employment & the employers choices is so 20th century & it's time the US had universal health care.

Preach, doc.

[Skep tickle]

http://i.imgur.com/4tgG908.jpg

Oh look, another trio of cunts. I'm sure they'll have no problem in being taken seriously.

What's the female equivalent of "dickhead"? :think:

Why does it seem like all the vulvovaginal art I've seen represents what appear to be the vulvas of white women? (Or at least PoLC - people of light color.)

[ReneeHendricks]

I daydream of SCOTUS deciding companies shouldn't have to pay for birth control because basing health care coverage on employment & the employers choices is so 20th century & it's time the US had universal health care.

Not that the 2nd part is in their purview. Also YMMV. :D

And high five on the decision your household made re Swedish vs UW for the coming year. Not that I'm biased or anything ;)

To be honest, there wasn't much of a "choice". My husband and I will always lean toward those entities that are always striving to learn more. Swedish has never struck me as that sort of entity. As far as SCOTUS and their "choice", it really wasn't one, was it? I mean, they are considered "people" under the law (and as far as I can tell solely for the purpose of being able to bring criminal charges against them). So SCOTUS just extended what should be considered for ACTUAL human people. (in short, I think it's fucking ridiculous and we should simply have a law or laws in place that holds such entities legally responsible for stupid-assed shit).

[BarnOwl]

USAians might want to watch this documentary about a real SJW:

[url]ttp://www.pbs.org/pov/americanrevolutionary/f ... iption.php[/url]

Airs multiple times on PBS, might be available online too.

[BarnOwl]

Ooops, messed up the link:

http://www.pbs.org/pov/americanrevoluti ... iption.php

[James Caruthers]

The barrow-wights were a bitch on grading.

Nah but seriously, I had to take some lit courses. I had this one professor I really liked (5-foot straight-talking serious literary scholar from the Bronx) and I took her course on Tolkien.

I came away from the class with an overall positive experience, but some of the students were SJWs and the discussion on Tolkien and gender got seriously derailed in retarded ways when they started sperging about "Tolkien and men like him are the reason we live in a rape culture" and "Men like Tolkien are why I live in fear and have to carry mace everywhere."

No joke.

Who had the biggest bruise from the headdesk, you or the prof?

At times, I think the professor.

She was trying to be nice, but shit. She was one of those old-school feminists and the very definition of a "strong, independent woman", and I know she didn't think Tolkien was responsible for rape. :lol:

Problem is, that's just the culture of my old university. How many times I've heard students lament the hyper-insane SJWs at that college (students and teachers,) but then they go "oh well, you have to expect it, that's just our college culture." :roll:

[Southern]

And for the record, not only do I have a problem with condoms but I am one of those women who tend to get pregnant while on birth control pills. So, for the men who side on the whole "meh" bit, fuck you and may you reap what you sow :)

There's always the cheap solution:

http://www.photo-dictionary.com/photofi ... hanger.jpg

[ReneeHendricks]

And for the record, not only do I have a problem with condoms but I am one of those women who tend to get pregnant while on birth control pills. So, for the men who side on the whole "meh" bit, fuck you and may you reap what you sow :)

There's always the cheap solution:

http://www.photo-dictionary.com/photofi ... hanger.jpg

Ok, so reaching down for the laugh. Yeah, it's not coming.

[Aneris]

I now identify as a Robocopotherkin:

http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo35 ... adc9be.jpg

Almost.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ori ... dleton.jpg

Maybe you can pretend you headbanged too much? :D

Get well, Phil!

[Southern]

And for the record, not only do I have a problem with condoms but I am one of those women who tend to get pregnant while on birth control pills. So, for the men who side on the whole "meh" bit, fuck you and may you reap what you sow :)

There's always the cheap solution:

http://www.photo-dictionary.com/photofi ... hanger.jpg

Ok, so reaching down for the laugh. Yeah, it's not coming.

Sucks for you, then. I'm still laughing at the Svan Poop-Eater photoshop.

[James Caruthers]

Disney incest posters

http://uproxx.com/webculture/2014/06/an ... awareness/

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/e1/e136ba86 ... 46ba66.jpg

What do they expect those posters to accomplish. Feels like a troll to me.

[ReneeHendricks]

There's always the cheap solution:

http://www.photo-dictionary.com/photofi ... hanger.jpg

Ok, so reaching down for the laugh. Yeah, it's not coming.

Sucks for you, then. I'm still laughing at the Svan Poop-Eater photoshop.

No problem :D Just make sure you take a really fucking sharp piece of metal to an area that is super sensitive for yourself and tell me how much it "sucks for me" :D Cuz I'm an equal opportunity "fuck you and the fucking horse you rode in on" kind of gal :D

[didymos]

And for the record, not only do I have a problem with condoms but I am one of those women who tend to get pregnant while on birth control pills. So, for the men who side on the whole "meh" bit, fuck you and may you reap what you sow :)

There's always the cheap solution:

http://www.photo-dictionary.com/photofi ... hanger.jpg

Ok, so reaching down for the laugh. Yeah, it's not coming.

That the wrong kind of hanger anyway. You suck, Southern. :dance:

[Skep tickle]

Anyone going to TAM this year? (Besides Justin - I know he's going.) Feel free to PM me if you are, & would be interested in crossing paths there.

I intend to say hi again this time. Glad to hear you will make it.

+1, see you there!

[James Caruthers]

There's nothing wrong with being otherkin if it's rational. Many otherkin are delusional, but some are cognizant of reality. It's similar to gender dysphoria, in that one's self-identity does not align with biological reality, except that it's about species rather than gender. And why not? It's just another of nature's cast lots over which one had no say.

As with sane trans people, it's possible to reject an innate trait while recognizing it as real. Sane otherkin may look forward to advancing technology that might one day make it possible for them to shed their human limits. It's the extended phenotype taken to the next level.

While pathology may be the root cause of the condition in many if not all cases, I think the outcome is harmless in the case of rational otherkin.

If you're having a bit of fun, I have no problem. It's the difference between people who have weird fetishes and people cannot fucking shut up about their weird fetishes.

A big part of my problem with the SJW trans (and to a lesser extent, SJW gay/bi/pansexual/demisexual/nanosexual) is they keep trying to tell me what I'm allowed to do and what I'm allowed to like, and they will not shut the fuck up about their sexual behavior. At least you haven't been telling me I better like fucking cats or else I'm a bigot truscum.

One day, anti-otherkin bigots will be revealed for what they are: bigots. In the meantime, I'll take gratuitous insults and slurs in good humour.

Someone's SJW switch got flipped.

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/ ... 57ik6m.jpg
http://www.georgiafurs.com/wp-content/u ... hoto58.jpg
http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2013/ ... 6v0pan.jpg

Call me a bigot, but I don't think "rational" and "I'm a robot kitten deity" belong in the same sentence.

FUCKING BIGOT TRUSCUM! :snooty:

I thought the whole robo deity schtick was a running joke until recently.

[katamari Damassi]

The SCOTUS just ruled that businesses can deny birth control coverage in their health insurance plans for religious reasons. I am kind of "meh" about the whole topic. If you wanna fuck then maybe you should buy your own bc. Years ago it was common for health plans to not covered bc.

Just my feeling I guess.

I do think this will mobilize more women to vote Democrat however. The "war on women" rages on and the Reps are losing votes big time.

You are aware that "birth control" is used for a lot more than "birth control," right?

And for those men who are "meh" about the whole thing, remember it takes 2 to fucking tango. Have a wonderful time with women (like myself) who have a problem with condoms. Ya wanna fuck? Partake in the aftermath.

Over at Shakesville, not only are they crying rage tears about the verdict(BTW-knew it last autumn, Kennedy ALWAYS sides with businesses over individuals, ALWAYS)but they're dividing their wrath between conservatives and male progressives who are using the verdict to inspire greater voter participation in upcoming elections. Why? Because unlike bitching on the internet, voting is useless.
Doing anything real is anathema to them.

[James Caruthers]

Get better soon, Phil. Save the gorget for LARP.

Weren't we just talking about near-death trampoline experiences?

Teach Trampolines To Not Be Bouncy!

That trampoline was oppressing Phil's head. We need to rally to boycott the company that makes them and get all of their employees fired for being anti-French bigots.

[Skep tickle]

I daydream of SCOTUS deciding companies shouldn't have to pay for birth control because basing health care coverage on employment & the employers choices is so 20th century & it's time the US had universal health care.

Not that the 2nd part is in their purview. Also YMMV. :D

And high five on the decision your household made re Swedish vs UW for the coming year. Not that I'm biased or anything ;)

To be honest, there wasn't much of a "choice". My husband and I will always lean toward those entities that are always striving to learn more. Swedish has never struck me as that sort of entity. As far as SCOTUS and their "choice", it really wasn't one, was it? I mean, they are considered "people" under the law (and as far as I can tell solely for the purpose of being able to bring criminal charges against them). So SCOTUS just extended what should be considered for ACTUAL human people. (in short, I think it's fucking ridiculous and we should simply have a law or laws in place that holds such entities legally responsible for stupid-assed shit).

"I’ll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one." -Robert Reich

[didymos]

And for those men who are "meh" about the whole thing, remember it takes 2 to fucking tango. Have a wonderful time with women (like myself) who have a problem with condoms. Ya wanna fuck? Partake in the aftermath.

Over at Shakesville, not only are they crying rage tears about the verdict(BTW-knew it last autumn, Kennedy ALWAYS sides with businesses over individuals, ALWAYS)but they're dividing their wrath between conservatives and male progressives who are using the verdict to inspire greater voter participation in upcoming elections. Why? Because unlike bitching on the internet, voting is useless.
Doing anything real is anathema to them.[/quote]

They always have the weirdest trigger warnings:

[Content Note: Hostility to agency; Christian Supremacy; corporate personhood.]

Really? "Corporate personhood" is triggering? To whom?

[didymos]

Goddamn it.

[Southern]

There's nothing wrong with being otherkin if it's rational. Many otherkin are delusional, but some are cognizant of reality. It's similar to gender dysphoria, in that one's self-identity does not align with biological reality, except that it's about species rather than gender. And why not? It's just another of nature's cast lots over which one had no say.

As with sane trans people, it's possible to reject an innate trait while recognizing it as real. Sane otherkin may look forward to advancing technology that might one day make it possible for them to shed their human limits. It's the extended phenotype taken to the next level.

While pathology may be the root cause of the condition in many if not all cases, I think the outcome is harmless in the case of rational otherkin.

If you're having a bit of fun, I have no problem. It's the difference between people who have weird fetishes and people cannot fucking shut up about their weird fetishes.

A big part of my problem with the SJW trans (and to a lesser extent, SJW gay/bi/pansexual/demisexual/nanosexual) is they keep trying to tell me what I'm allowed to do and what I'm allowed to like, and they will not shut the fuck up about their sexual behavior. At least you haven't been telling me I better like fucking cats or else I'm a bigot truscum.

One day, anti-otherkin bigots will be revealed for what they are: bigots. In the meantime, I'll take gratuitous insults and slurs in good humour.

Someone's SJW switch got flipped.

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/ ... 57ik6m.jpg
http://www.georgiafurs.com/wp-content/u ... hoto58.jpg
http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2013/ ... 6v0pan.jpg

Call me a bigot, but I don't think "rational" and "I'm a robot kitten deity" belong in the same sentence.

FUCKING BIGOT TRUSCUM! :snooty:

I thought the whole robo deity schtick was a running joke until recently.

Someone send that to Martin Wagner.

[welch]

Ugh. Sorry everyone. As a few of you know, I'm on the side of MRA in many situations. But when it comes to sex and birth control, I lose my fucking shit when men sit there and talk about "being too cheap" or popping out "meh" when it comes to this topic. The thing is, this affects men AND women. Men should be more vocal than women when it comes to medical insurance coverage for women in the area of birth control. Why? Because at this point in history more men than women are affected by the birth of a child.

During my brief stint as president of a uni NARAL chapter, I was agog at how many "pro life" people hated the idea of any form of birth control.

It's insane. Because it simply perpetuates the cycle. For lack of a better way of saying it "stupid begets stupid".

yep. They've put so much into wrapping their lives around their ideology that any sign that ideology is less than perfect is a refutation of their lives en toto. So there's no chance they even CAN change their minds. Or even listen.

[welch]

During my brief stint as president of a uni NARAL chapter, I was agog at how many "pro life" people hated the idea of any form of birth control.

Why? They oppose abortion and birth control for the same reason: preventing babbys from forming the way God intended.

well, I was rather young at the time and still didn't understand how ideology trumps everything.

[Skep tickle]

Goddamn it.

Quote fail as a trigger?

[bhoytony]

Anyone who really believes they are otherkin are mentally ill. The rest of them are just fucking idiots who need to grow up.

[James Caruthers]

I'm sure Martin has already seen those furry pride parade pictures.

Seeing as he was there.

:rimshot:

[rpguest]

I now identify as a Robocopotherkin:

http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo35 ... adc9be.jpg

Almost.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ori ... dleton.jpg

Maybe you can pretend you headbanged too much? :D

Get well, Phil!

phil could change his name to 'Mangled the Mercilous'

[Aneris]

Oggy: I recall Lounge #442 looked like a cult.
http://bit.ly/Lounge442Cult

[Guestus Aurelius]

One of the strangest things I've learned today about this SCOTUS case is that Scalia (of all people!!!) warned of this very thing 25 years ago in the Employment Division v. Smith decision. That was the case about the American Indians in Oregon who were denied unemployment benefits after being fired from a rehab clinic for taking peyote for religious purposes. SCOTUS ruled against the poor guys, which caused enough public outrage to spur the drafting and passing of the RFRA.

Link: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/antonin ... th-control

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

I now identify as a Robocopotherkin:

http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo35 ... adc9be.jpg

Phil, I find looking at photos of the natural world to be very soothing during stressful times.

Best wishes,

Conc.

http://i.imgur.com/jm7lpiz.jpg

[Aneris]

Cunt of Personality ninjaed me by two pages.... regarding Ming... Fail....

[Skep tickle]

The SCOTUS just ruled that businesses can deny birth control coverage in their health insurance plans for religious reasons. I am kind of "meh" about the whole topic. If you wanna fuck then maybe you should buy your own bc. Years ago it was common for health plans to not covered bc.

Just my feeling I guess.

I do think this will mobilize more women to vote Democrat however. The "war on women" rages on and the Reps are losing votes big time.

You are aware that "birth control" is used for a lot more than "birth control," right?

There's a standard work-around: a form letter that explains that the person is being prescribed [name of medication] for [insert medical condition], and that she wasn't taking it for birth control, oh no no no of course not.

Catholic health care plans used to have no problem okaying coverage then - at least, that's how it worked in this liberal area of the US. The prescriber has to be able to back the claim up w/ chart notes in case he or she is asked to justify the request, but the medical condition can just be heavy or painful periods, doesn't have to be anything proven by biopsy/etc. (And I never was asked to provide chart notes in the multiple years over which I recall various patients saying they needed such a letter, including during the time I worked for a Catholic health care agency.)

I haven't had a request for a letter like this in more than a year, probably because of the ACA, but given this recent decision it will probably pop up again as a work-around.

[Skep tickle]

Cunt of Personality ninjaed me by two pages.... regarding Ming... Fail....

Credit where credit's due, but IMO it was worthy of a repeat appearance.

[DaveDodo007]

Seriously, Phil, you must be the worst fucking paratrooper in the world.

:lol:

[Guestus Aurelius]

To clarify: much as I despise Scalia on a personal level,* I don't take his Smith decision as evidence of hypocrisy on his part. The RFRA wasn't law yet, and I get the impression from Smith that Scalia might actually be firmly against the RFRA, even though he's a Catholic nutjob. In any case, I see no inconsistency between the First-Amendment-based Smith decision and the RFRA-based Hobby Lobby decision.

*the things that come out of that man's mouth...

[Opyt]

And for those men who are "meh" about the whole thing, remember it takes 2 to fucking tango. Have a wonderful time with women (like myself) who have a problem with condoms. Ya wanna fuck? Partake in the aftermath.

Over at Shakesville, not only are they crying rage tears about the verdict(BTW-knew it last autumn, Kennedy ALWAYS sides with businesses over individuals, ALWAYS)but they're dividing their wrath between conservatives and male progressives who are using the verdict to inspire greater voter participation in upcoming elections. Why? Because unlike bitching on the internet, voting is useless.
Doing anything real is anathema to them.

They always have the weirdest trigger warnings:

[Content Note: Hostility to agency; Christian Supremacy; corporate personhood.]

Really? "Corporate personhood" is triggering? To whom?

FTFY didy,

Renee, as weird as this sounds: it's a choice to have sex. By SCOTUS (you said "POTUS" earlier, but yeah I knew better) saying that corporations should not be required to pay for Birth Control, whether they intended it or not, they are putting the responsibility in the hands of both members. While ideally it would have been better to require both female and male contraceptives under health care, the SCOTUS inverted it, and said "Corporations should not be required to pay for contraceptives."

It's a case of "squeaky wheel gets the grease" vs. "squeaky wheel gets replaced". The first time I heard of this was when Hobby Lobby was being "attacked" for not giving female employees BC. In seeking clarification on the law (was there any kind of law that actually said Corps were required to pay for Health Insurance in the first place? Obamacare was the government requiring citizens to pay for health insurance, near as I can tell) in which they were absolutely sure no one would go against the womynz, they actually made it worse. It's not "fair", but if people are going to fling shit, they should have thought about what they were going to smell like after handling the shit. :violin:

[Guestus Aurelius]

Bottom line for me: RFRA has to go, and contraception of all types should be affordable and easily obtained. If health insurance must be tied to employment (I don't see why it should be, but that's the way it is), then employers should not be able to choose what is and isn't covered.

[Opyt]

As a side note, the people behind this, were saying men ought to be paying for birth control anyways because "the non-existent wage gap" is still greatly effecting your female fuckbuddies.

[didymos]

Check out this Hallmark TV movie pastiche Ograpist comment:

I also dreamt of scouts. Normally, when I dream, I am always me. I am almost always in my own body in dreams, never outside looking at me, except for the cub scout dreams. Those dreams I have always been outside of myself but still feeling the pain (and, yes, pleasure (shudder)) of the abuse. This time I was in me, I was in my body, and a man, a man with a beard, a tall and heavy man, showed up while I was being abused. And in a detached part of my mind, I wondered, oh, shit, is this yet another rapist I didn’t remember?

He took me by the hand, and took T and S and S by the hand, and led us out of the trailer, out of the tent, out of the campsite, out of the community center, out of all the different places I was raped, and walked us away from our abuser. I woke in a cold sweat with my mind running away on twelve different what-if paths. I didn’t remember ever seeing this man before. Ever.

Eventually, I went back to sleep. I woke up, headed for the bathroom, and dropped my toothbrush into the sink. There, in the mirror, was the stranger who helped us walk away. (It really did shock me even though this sounds like a plot twist in a b-movie.)

So my today self showed up in a dream about my past self as a non-me character to lead me away from my past. What the fuck? This is like the dreams where I, as a child, took the hands of others and walked them away.

I wish I knew what my mind was trying to tell me. Or that my mind would stop sending me messages that are so damn allegorical.

Anyway, feeling better today.

Yeah, Oggie, it does sound like a B-movie (in this case 'B' is for 'Bullshit').

[ERV]

It took me seeing Phil's pic about two dozen times before I realized the back floral part is a chair, not part of his brace.

PhD, ladies and gentlemen! PhD!

[didymos]

It took me seeing Phil's pic about two dozen times before I realized the back floral part is a chair, not part of his brace.

PhD, ladies and gentlemen! PhD!

Yes, but it's not a PhD in chairs.

[katamari Damassi]

It took me seeing Phil's pic about two dozen times before I realized the back floral part is a chair, not part of his brace.

PhD, ladies and gentlemen! PhD!

LOL but it should be part of his ensemble.

[didymos]

Also, I can't believe no one has done this one yet:

Damn Phil. That sounds like a real pain in the neck.

[Skep tickle]

<snip>
Maybe the simplest thing to do is to relabel all of the public washrooms with images of either a penis or a vagina, and oblige people to use the one that matches their own "equipment" - which of course some 98% of the population already do .... apparently in any case ....

Rest rooms, lockers, & changing rooms have always been segregated by sex. Men's = anatomical male; Women's = anatomical female.
it's fair to ask why we segregated them in the first place. If a valid purpose still exists, then to ask whether allowing anatomical men to use The Ladies' and vice versa defeats that purpose.

The SJWs redefining of sex to mean nothing more or less than 'what you call yourself', does not make all the previous justifications for segregated facilities go 'poof".

To shake a spear or to vere off into uncharted territory – so to speak – “there’s the rub”.

I know we all had great sport with HJ, and I largely think he’s out to lunch, but I also think he might have a bit of a point: “sex” is somewhat of a social construct. Seems to me that there are the twin peaks where there’s a strong correlation between, say, genitalia and karyotype, but there are, as we’ve discussed, a number of exceptions to the rules by which the terms are defined. Now we can simply define them so that there are only two sexes, and the exceptions are just that. Or we can concede that there are more than two even if the populations in the non-standard ones are rather small. But that still seems to be rather arbitrary, maybe even a case of agreeing on a social construct.

For instance, and I think the FTB commenter Tom Foss had a post on this, there are people who are X-Y but still have female primary and secondary sexual attributes - androgen insensitive, I think. So, male, female, and some third sex? Or two and and some exceptions?

Although I think it is somewhat of the proverbial tempest in a teapot ....

As with so many other things, it depends on how you define the terms, in this case "male" and "female" and whatever term(s) you want to use for people who don't fall clearly into 1 of those 2 categories.

Biologically, it would make some sense to reserve "male" for "those with small gametes who can reproduce", and "female" for "those with large gametes who can reproduce", but that doesn't work - and is unnecessarily limiting IMO - for social situations.

First: Phenotype of the external genitalia, as assessed usually on a quick glance, is used by others to assign sex at birth. The genitalia usually match the chromosomal sex, but not always (as is sometimes found out years later, around or after puberty). The categories are "male", "female", or "intersex" (the latter term being the modern one for a baby whose genitalia don't appear to clearly fall into one category or the other). "Intersex" is due to some sort of congenital (genetic or environmental) anomaly - a situation in which the "right" development didn't occur, though the reason may not be identifiable.

Later: Secondary sex characteristics + personal choice in "presentation" (hair length/style, clothing, etc) are used by others to decide at a glance what gender the person is. That's what's used to determine which gender's bathroom you can walk into without other people thinking, and reacting as if, you're in the wrong bathroom. There are definitely some people who can "pass" as the other gender without taking hormones or having surgery.

I have only rarely gone into men's bathrooms, but women's bathrooms (in the US) always have individual stalls, so however a person is positioned in order to urinate is pretty much her (or his) own business. (I suppose if someone's feet were observed to be facing the toilet while pee-hitting-water sounds occurred, other people in the women's bathroom might get concerned that the person was actually a man.)

It may be more difficult in a men's bathroom for someone whose urethral meatus doesn't exit at the tip of a cylindrical phallus of at least a few cm length to pass as male - I'm under the impression that stalls in men's rooms often don't have doors on them, though perhaps that's a sampling error. Even if so, maybe the absence of such a phallus could be hidden if one wears a long top (shirt or jacket?) and sits to pee on the toilet, pretending to be constipated & hoping to have some luck in that area while on the pot, & skillfully hiding one's aphallic state from the other gents.

[katamari Damassi]

Actually Phil, that brace is much cooler looking than the white plastic one you would've gotten in the states. Also you have universal healthcare, although in America it would be assumed that you would sue anyone associated with that trampoline, so there's that.

[Skep tickle]

Forgot to add, androgynous-looking people can presumably go into any communal/public bathroom they choose, as long as their behavior once inside matches that expected of the gender bathroom they're in - standing to pee via phallus at a urinal, versus patiently waiting in line for a stall while complaining that there's no line for the men's room and there should be more stalls in the women's room.

[Quiz]

It took me seeing Phil's pic about two dozen times before I realized the back floral part is a chair, not part of his brace.

PhD, ladies and gentlemen! PhD!

I noticed it the first time I saw it. I've always knew I was a genius. Now I have evidence, because I have out smarted someone with a PhD.

[Garlic]

Over at Pharyngula, Inaji makes an clear quantitative claim:

I’m half Oglala Lakota, living in North Dakota.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-815669

According to the official website, membership is automatic if you are descended from someone who was on the official membership roll in 1935. I'm not sure if there are other membership criteria:

http://www.oglalalakotanation.org/oln/- ... ution.html

[windy]

I daydream of SCOTUS deciding companies shouldn't have to pay for birth control because basing health care coverage on employment & the employers choices is so 20th century & it's time the US had universal health care.

Except... universal health care doesn't necessarily cover birth control. In Finland, birth control pills are only covered if they are prescribed for medical treatment. In Sweden, IIRC birth control is subsidized for younger women and for people whose total prescription medication costs are above a certain limit per year, but not as a general rule.

[Gumby]

Over at Pharyngula, Inaji makes an clear quantitative claim:

I’m half Oglala Lakota, living in North Dakota.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-815669

According to the official website, membership is automatic if you are descended from someone who was on the official membership roll in 1935. I'm not sure if there are other membership criteria:

http://www.oglalalakotanation.org/oln/- ... ution.html

Yeah I first saw her claim 50% ancestry over a year ago. Doesn't matter. Her peppering of her posts with Lakota words and phrases makes her a "hey look at me I'm so cultural" poseur. Despite her efforts to impress her fellow hipster douchebag pals with her multiculturalism, she reveals herself through her words and attitude to be just as lily-white-SJW as the rest of the Pharyngula echo chamber. She's guilty of the same cultural appropriation those bozos rail against. Hell, I'm a mix of Irish and German, but I wouldn't dream of getting drunk and gassing Jews. That would be pretentious cultural appropriation to the nth degree!

[Opyt]

It took me seeing Phil's pic about two dozen times before I realized the back floral part is a chair, not part of his brace.

PhD, ladies and gentlemen! PhD!

I noticed it the first time I saw it. I've always knew I was a genius. Now I have evidence, because I have out smarted someone with a PhD.

Now let's see you outsmart Abby in Virology.
Personally, I didn't even notice the floral pattern, because I don't pay attention to things like that. It was pretty obvious that the subject of the photo was Phil in his beginnings of "The Man with the Iron Mask" costume, and not the white walls, the floral patterned chair he was sitting in, or the hospital gown. :lol:

I was going to crank out an attempt to make it, but I think it's going to take more time, I'll get back to you on the MwtIM "photoshop"; it'll probably be around the time you're out of it Phil.

[KenD]

Another day, another beyond parody example of SJWers SJWing.

There was a protest outside the Prison of Love party on Saturday at the Kink.com Armory, with about 150 protesters who—though mostly peaceful—pelted guards and early partygoers with fruits and vegetables around 10 p.m.

There was a time when I'd have assumed it was God Hates Fags type Christians, but as soon as I saw someone tweet about a violent protest spoiling the fun at this weekend's SF Pride, I knew it was going to be down to shit-stirring SJWs getting butthurt about something.

http://sfist.com/attachments/SFist_Jay/ ... test-3.jpg

Kink.com's statement says: "One of the [event security] guards was spit on, another was punched twice in the stomach. The guards did not retaliate in any way, but we were temporarily forced to shut the entrance to prevent those entering from being injured."

Police arrived and dispersed the crowd, but reportedly a handful of protesters continued to engage with partygoers and police officers. According to Kink, "At least one gay man leaving was assaulted about a block from the Armory, and had his phone smashed by protesters. Another man leaving the party reportedly had his collar bone broken."

http://sfist.com/attachments/SFist_Jay/ ... test-2.jpg

[windy]

Anyway, my new looks are courtesy of a trampoline accident. Yep! I broke C2 and damaged C3. Doctors say I was less than a millimeter away from death (they call C2 the Hanged Man's vertebrae). Anyway, I spent the week at the hospital, getting metal bars driven into my skull so they could attach weights to keep my spine straight until surgery. They operated on Wednesday, getting to the spot via the front right part of my throat, and soldered C2 and C3 with a titanium plate, using a bone graft from my iliac crest (that's the part that still hurts the most). it was my first time under general anesthesia, and although I was a bit apprehensive, all went well. Now I have to wear Robocop's Sunday Dress 24/7 for the next 3 months, lest I die while moving too much in my sleep. So it's goodbye skydiving and other fun physical activities for me. I'm not sure it's hit me yet.

Shit, that sucks :( Take care, Phil.

[welch]

Ok, so reaching down for the laugh. Yeah, it's not coming.

Sucks for you, then. I'm still laughing at the Svan Poop-Eater photoshop.

No problem :D Just make sure you take a really fucking sharp piece of metal to an area that is super sensitive for yourself and tell me how much it "sucks for me" :D Cuz I'm an equal opportunity "fuck you and the fucking horse you rode in on" kind of gal :D

Already did my ride on the Q-Tip of love, thanks, but once was twice too many.

[welch]

One of the strangest things I've learned today about this SCOTUS case is that Scalia (of all people!!!) warned of this very thing 25 years ago in the Employment Division v. Smith decision. That was the case about the American Indians in Oregon who were denied unemployment benefits after being fired from a rehab clinic for taking peyote for religious purposes. SCOTUS ruled against the poor guys, which caused enough public outrage to spur the drafting and passing of the RFRA.

Link: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/antonin ... th-control

My religion should trump your inconvenient law.

Okay, done.

Yay!

How about MY religion?

Sure!

WAIT, NO, WHAT THE FUCK?

[deLurch]

Phil - saw your neck brace on FB and here. I hope you are doing well soon and will forever stay away from trampolines!!!

I thought you were endorsing insurance supplied birth control?!?!?

[James Caruthers]

Woah, that prison protest thing is insane.

People getting beat up by violent SJWs protesting "in the name of love."

Just goes to show that villains consider themselves heroes, as someone said earlier.

I'm not always on the side of the po-lice, but they should have tear gassed and fire hosed the shit out of those protestors.

[deLurch]

And for the record, not only do I have a problem with condoms but I am one of those women who tend to get pregnant while on birth control pills. So, for the men who side on the whole "meh" bit, fuck you and may you reap what you sow :)

There's always the cheap solution:

http://www.photo-dictionary.com/photofi ... hanger.jpg

Ok, so reaching down for the laugh. Yeah, it's not coming.

Try twisting it.