Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

Old subthreads
JackSkeptic
.
.
Posts: 3222
Joined: Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:23 pm
Location: UK

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53461

Post by JackSkeptic »

Michael J wrote:Apologies if this has already been posted:

[urlhttp://www.nichegamer.net/2014/10/how-gamergat ... -sympathy/][/url]
To fail a quote once is unfortunate, to fail twice is carelessness. If you know where I got that quote from you win the nerds prize for this week.

AndrewV69
.
.
Posts: 8092
Joined: Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:52 pm

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53462

Post by AndrewV69 »

James Caruthers wrote:http://www.michaelnugent.com/2014/10/13 ... on-my-blog

Nugent's post has received some attention already, but I'd like to point to it again. I think we should do what we can to spread this around.

IF you're of the mindset that PZ's various accusations and doxxing+calls for firing were a deflection from how badly Nugent was owning his ass, then you should especially take some time to spread this article around to various atheists, skeptics and interested parties.

This has been your daily Nugent shill post, thanks.
This has been RT 19 time already. Including once by yours truly.

JackSkeptic
.
.
Posts: 3222
Joined: Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:23 pm
Location: UK

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53463

Post by JackSkeptic »

Git wrote:I'm straight and I adore kittehs as much as Prof. Ceiling Cat does.
For years I thought cats were useless and pointless. Then I gave some poor cat a home, under protest, as he had nowhere else to go. He was selfish, hated being stroked or picked up, meowed constantly as he knew it annoyed me and only took interest in anything when it wanted feeding. About 5 years later it died of old age. I was gutted and even now, several months later, I miss him.

Us humans are soppy, stupid and gullible when it comes to animals. They treat us like crap yet we go back for more.

deLurch
.
.
Posts: 8447
Joined: Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:11 am

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53464

Post by deLurch »

SkepticalCat wrote:Michael Nugent has another new post up:http://www.michaelnugent.com/2014/10/13 ... n-my-blog/

A lengthy article about false statements made by tentacle rape enthusiast and liar PZ Myers.
Nugent seems to take on a bit of a Steersman quality when really digging into a subject.

Phil_Giordana_FCD
.
.
Posts: 11875
Joined: Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:56 pm
Location: Nice, France
Contact:

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53465

Post by Phil_Giordana_FCD »

Ok, almost caught up (2 pages to go). I thin I'll try to head back to the mountains for a while.

Pitchguest
.
.
Posts: 4005
Joined: Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:44 pm

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53466

Post by Pitchguest »

piginthecity wrote:
Pitchguest wrote: ....Harris is, as far as I know, pro-torture and has, to my knowledge, cited the oft spoken "time bomb scenario" to defend his position. Torture is wrong, both from an ethical and moral standpoint and on the basis that it (objectively speaking) doesn't work....
It's the old 'use "as-far-as-I-know" as a justification for any old bollocks' ploy again !

I have read "The End of Faith", and what you'll find if you do is that Harris doesn't express any views which can be called pro-torture or would disagree with your statement that "torture is wrong".

What Harris did was to cite our commonly attitudes to torture vs people being killed as collateral damage in military operations as an example of what he termed a "moral illusion". These are akin to 'optical illusions', and the point is that the moral revulsion we feel in the two cases doesn't scale with the suffering and loss inflicted in each case. We are deeply repulsed by the idea of a party deliberately inflicting suffering on somebody under their power giving them no chance to escape, but less so at the idea of a party choosing a course of action which will only probably cause suffering and if so, to people who are in the wrong place at the wrong time, where the actual individuals who suffer are determined by 'fate' instead of deliberate choice, even though the actual amount of suffering might be much greater in the second case.

It's all about a comparison of the degree of moral revulsion against the amount of suffering and why they may be disproportionate.

Harris does not say "torture is right" and he also makes the point that torture is ineffective because people lie under torture. Far from wanting to argue that torture is a good thing, he expresses relief that the ineffectiveness of torture somewhat lets us and himself off the hook from having to go so against our moral sense.

It's a disquieting idea, to be sure, and not least because it causes us to distrust our moral intuitions, but it's not advocacy for torture, neither is it dangerous speech even if it perhaps breaks a taboo. He does not deserve for it to be cheaply mischaracterised by those who want to discredit him.

You don't have to make shit up in order to prove you're not a hero-worshipper !
As far as I know. Yes. Straight from the horse's mouth.

Sam Harris, "In Defense of Torture"
Imagine that a known terrorist has planted a bomb in the heart of a nearby city. He now sits in your custody. Rather than conceal his guilt, he gloats about the forthcoming explosion and the magnitude of human suffering it will cause. Given this state of affairs--in particular, given that there is still time to prevent an imminent atrocity--it seems that subjecting this unpleasant fellow to torture may be justifiable. For those who make it their business to debate the ethics of torture this is known as the "ticking-bomb" case.
I am one of the few people I know of who has argued in print that torture may be an ethical necessity in our war on terror. ... I will now present an argument for the use of torture in rare circumstances. While many people have objected, on emotional grounds, to my defense of torture, no one has pointed out a flaw in my argument.
He does say that he wants "to be standing side by side with all the good people who oppose torture categorically" but even after people pointed out to him, politely and not so politely, that torture doesn't work, he still stood by his position. In fact, some time later he wrote this follow up, "Response to controversy" where he elaborates on his position.
In one section of the book (pp. 192−199), I briefly discuss the ethics of torture and collateral damage in times of war, arguing that collateral damage is worse than torture across the board. Rather than appreciate just how bad I think collateral damage is in ethical terms, some readers have mistakenly concluded that I take a cavalier attitude toward the practice of torture. I do not. Nevertheless, there are extreme circumstances in which I believe that practices like “water-boarding” may be not only ethically justifiable, but ethically necessary. This is not the same as saying that they should be legal (Crimes such as trespassing and theft may sometimes be ethically necessary, though everyone has an interest in keeping them illegal).
I am not alone in thinking that there are potential circumstances in which the use of torture would be ethically justifiable. The liberal Senator Charles Schumer has publicly stated http://adf.ly/2790808/SaveFrom.net that most U.S. senators would support torture to find out the location of a ticking time bomb. Such scenarios have been widely criticized as unrealistic. But realism is not the point of these thought experiments. The point is that unless your argument rules out torture in idealized cases, you don’t have a categorical argument against torture. As nuclear and biological terrorism become increasingly possible, it is in everyone’s interest for men and women of goodwill to determine what should be done if a person appears to have operational knowledge of an imminent atrocity (and may even claim to possess such knowledge), but won’t otherwise talk about it.
My argument for the limited use of coercive interrogation (“torture” by another name) is essentially this: If you think it is ever justifiable to drop bombs in an attempt to kill a man like Osama bin Laden (and thereby risk killing and maiming innocent men, women, and children), you should think it may sometimes be justifiable to water-board a man like Osama bin Laden (and risk abusing someone who just happens to look like him).
Now I didn't say Harris said "torture is right", I said he was pro-torture. Which he is. In certain circumstances. He's also in favour of profiling at airports.

fuzzy
Pit Art Master
Pit Art Master
Posts: 2179
Joined: Thu Apr 03, 2014 5:30 pm

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53467

Post by fuzzy »

bovarchist wrote:Whoa, Nugent just won't let up, will he? This is fun.
The Peezer keeps coming back for more. Dumber than advertised.

deLurch
.
.
Posts: 8447
Joined: Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:11 am

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53468

Post by deLurch »

fuzzy wrote:
bovarchist wrote:Whoa, Nugent just won't let up, will he? This is fun.
The Peezer keeps coming back for more. Dumber than advertised.
So using pz myer's own arguments towards Nugent, we should be in the clear to call Free Thought Blogs a rape haven.

LurkerPerson

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53469

Post by LurkerPerson »

I kind of feel bad for Nugent. Posts on the divide between "first" and "third" world catholicism and criticism of Islam, garners few comments. The ridiculous sideshow of moronic american bloggers being worthless retards? 500+ comments! "Dear Muslima" was 100 percent truth. None of this whiny internet drama bullshit matters one iota. Dawkins should've stuck to his guns.
Hypocritical on my part I know, even following the pit as assiduously as I do makes me part of the problem. I kind of wish I was still as knowledgeable of PZ Myers, Rebecca Watson and their ilk as the average atheist worldwide, i.e not at all. These narcissistic cunts can't manage to gaze beyond the lint in their fat navels for even half a hearbeat. Everything has to revolve around their disgustingly fabricated sense of victimhood.

Aneris
.
.
Posts: 3198
Joined: Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:36 am
Location: /°\

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53470

Post by Aneris »

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/55268330.jpg


Michael Nugent is awesome. I hope other atheists with some name help him out, so that there are always some voices that stand up against the bullies of PZ Myers and Co and Michael Nugent doesn't have to do it all alone.

NoGodsEver
.
.
Posts: 1202
Joined: Fri May 24, 2013 1:05 am
Location: Pacific NW

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53471

Post by NoGodsEver »

Serious question: has PZ ever, in the history of Pharyngula, apologized for anything? I know he's sort of known for refusing to apologize even when shown to be manifestly wrong, but just wondering if ever, maybe years ago, he apologized for something. Anyone know?

free thoughtpolice
.
.
Posts: 10974
Joined: Wed Oct 24, 2012 4:27 pm

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53472

Post by free thoughtpolice »

Question: I'm trying to post at a blog in Patheos, which uses Disqus. It recognizes my email and password but rejects my username.
I assume I must have registered with a Disqus blog in the past using a nym I now don't remember. Is there a way to reset with another username or do I have to start a new email account and begin from scratch?

James Caruthers
.
.
Posts: 6257
Joined: Sun Aug 25, 2013 2:50 pm

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53473

Post by James Caruthers »

NoGodsEver wrote:Serious question: has PZ ever, in the history of Pharyngula, apologized for anything? I know he's sort of known for refusing to apologize even when shown to be manifestly wrong, but just wondering if ever, maybe years ago, he apologized for something. Anyone know?
Yeah.

To A+ and FTB regulars for not being ideologically pure enough. I'm sure he's apologized for past thoughtcrimes against feminism. :cdc:

Matt Cavanaugh
.
.
Posts: 15153
Joined: Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:38 pm
Contact:

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53474

Post by Matt Cavanaugh »

Nec_V20 wrote: Although I like my name I absolutely detest every single diminutive of it. I know for a fact that if I posted with my "real" name the at least 50% of you would call me by some diminutive even knowing - or because you know - my feelings with regard to using any diminutive.

People who know me IRL only ever use a diminutive of my name ONCE. As others have told me, the look they get from me when they do use it suggests, "That the next time I call you that I am not going to have any kneecaps".
Lighten up, Frances. ;)

LurkerPerson

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53475

Post by LurkerPerson »

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Nec_V20 wrote: Although I like my name I absolutely detest every single diminutive of it. I know for a fact that if I posted with my "real" name the at least 50% of you would call me by some diminutive even knowing - or because you know - my feelings with regard to using any diminutive.

People who know me IRL only ever use a diminutive of my name ONCE. As others have told me, the look they get from me when they do use it suggests, "That the next time I call you that I am not going to have any kneecaps".
Lighten up, Frances. ;)

Richard? Rich or Dick.

Aneris
.
.
Posts: 3198
Joined: Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:36 am
Location: /°\

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53476

Post by Aneris »

LurkerPerson wrote:I kind of feel bad for Nugent. Posts on the divide between "first" and "third" world catholicism and criticism of Islam, garners few comments. The ridiculous sideshow of moronic american bloggers being worthless retards? 500+ comments! "Dear Muslima" was 100 percent truth. None of this whiny internet drama bullshit matters one iota. Dawkins should've stuck to his guns.
Hypocritical on my part I know, even following the pit as assiduously as I do makes me part of the problem. I kind of wish I was still as knowledgeable of PZ Myers, Rebecca Watson and their ilk as the average atheist worldwide, i.e not at all. These narcissistic cunts can't manage to gaze beyond the lint in their fat navels for even half a hearbeat. Everything has to revolve around their disgustingly fabricated sense of victimhood.
That's because the introspection is basically nowhere discussed and the "movement" fails to provide even the most basic skepticism and critical thinking in that department. Together with the considerable heat the topic generates, plus years of distortions that were never propably addressed, plus new even more extreme accusations are enough to gather a lot of attention. I also wonder why people think this is somehow a non-issue.

It is far from a non-issue. If skepticism cannot help people to see blatant propaganda, it is basically useless. It is good that charlatans are exposed and all that, but that's small fish compared to entire authoritarian/totalitarian/cultish worldviews that can spring up and go by unexamined because people believe they are the good guys and somehow think they figured it all out just because they no longer believe in God. You don't want to deconvert evangelicals and end up with fascists.


//ninja'd by deLurch

BlueShiftRhino
.
.
Posts: 1422
Joined: Thu Aug 21, 2014 9:41 am

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53477

Post by BlueShiftRhino »

NoGodsEver wrote:Serious question: has PZ ever, in the history of Pharyngula, apologized for anything?
I searched for a quite a while before making my comment on MN's blog. I couldn't find none. (And I gave his fricking blog a lot of hits trying.)

Matt Cavanaugh
.
.
Posts: 15153
Joined: Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:38 pm
Contact:

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53478

Post by Matt Cavanaugh »

Git wrote:I'm straight and I adore kittehs as much as Prof. Ceiling Cat does.
I'm a cowboy who's just recently been certified a trans*phobia-free Clear, and I'm bored to tears with Coyne's incessant blogging about Liz Taylor's cowboy boots.

deLurch
.
.
Posts: 8447
Joined: Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:11 am

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53479

Post by deLurch »

Nec_V20 wrote:There are a number of reasons why someone uses a nic. In my case it is very simple.

Although I like my name I absolutely detest every single diminutive of it. I know for a fact that if I posted with my "real" name the at least 50% of you would call me by some diminutive even knowing - or because you know - my feelings with regard to using any diminutive.

People who know me IRL only ever use a diminutive of my name ONCE. As others have told me, the look they get from me when they do use it suggests, "That the next time I call you that I am not going to have any kneecaps".

And let's face it, what is "real" about a name anyway? I certainly didn't choose it. I did however choose "Nec_V20" and that name says more about me than what you would consider to be "real".
It's OK little paul. We won't use diminutives with you.

BlueShiftRhino
.
.
Posts: 1422
Joined: Thu Aug 21, 2014 9:41 am

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53480

Post by BlueShiftRhino »

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Git wrote:I'm straight and I adore kittehs as much as Prof. Ceiling Cat does.
I'm a cowboy who's just recently been certified a trans*phobia-free Clear, and I'm bored to tears with Coyne's incessant blogging about Liz Taylor's cowboy boots.
Especially when the only boots that have ever mattered are Nancy Sinatra's.

[youtube]SbyAZQ45uww[/youtube]

James Caruthers
.
.
Posts: 6257
Joined: Sun Aug 25, 2013 2:50 pm

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53481

Post by James Caruthers »

LurkerPerson wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Nec_V20 wrote: Although I like my name I absolutely detest every single diminutive of it. I know for a fact that if I posted with my "real" name the at least 50% of you would call me by some diminutive even knowing - or because you know - my feelings with regard to using any diminutive.

People who know me IRL only ever use a diminutive of my name ONCE. As others have told me, the look they get from me when they do use it suggests, "That the next time I call you that I am not going to have any kneecaps".
Lighten up, Frances. ;)

Richard? Rich or Dick.
Don't forget "Richie Rich." 8-)

BTW dogs > cats, sloots.

fuzzy
Pit Art Master
Pit Art Master
Posts: 2179
Joined: Thu Apr 03, 2014 5:30 pm

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53482

Post by fuzzy »

NoGodsEver wrote:Serious question: has PZ ever, in the history of Pharyngula, apologized for anything? I know he's sort of known for refusing to apologize even when shown to be manifestly wrong, but just wondering if ever, maybe years ago, he apologized for something. Anyone know?
I found this old tape of a younger Pee Zee "herman" almost apologising.
[youtube]ddOk6kUXioA[/youtube]

Tapir
.
.
Posts: 598
Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2012 2:59 am

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53483

Post by Tapir »

James Caruthers wrote:
NoGodsEver wrote:Serious question: has PZ ever, in the history of Pharyngula, apologized for anything? I know he's sort of known for refusing to apologize even when shown to be manifestly wrong, but just wondering if ever, maybe years ago, he apologized for something. Anyone know?
Yeah.

To A+ and FTB regulars for not being ideologically pure enough. I'm sure he's apologized for past thoughtcrimes against feminism. :cdc:
Yep. The poor fool went as far as redacting his memories of courtship; implanting within them the concept of consent - just to impress his audience - just to prove his feministic bona-fides. He'll happily confess any crime against feminism, real or imagined, so long as he gets to publicly repent.

CuntajusRationality
.
.
Posts: 1007
Joined: Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:25 am

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53484

Post by CuntajusRationality »

Aneris wrote:Has anyone an idea about PZ Myers and imbeciles and their "rape culture" idea? PZ Myers and gang share Anita Sarkeesian with enthusiasm, yet next door Greta Christina promotes her rape pornography, which is explicitly described as such on her very own page at FTB.

[quote="Greta Christina's official "Bending" Page @FTB"]Greta Christina’s erotic stories are written to get you hard and wet — and to change the ways you think about sex. Be forewarned — stuff happens here that’s borderline consensual. Or not at all consensual. These are dirty, kinky stories about shame, about pain, helplessness and danger, reckless behavior and bad, bad ideas….
This alone is interesting. She wants people to get sexual aroused by teaching them different things about sex, which is in part not consensual, i.e. rape. I don't even have to switch FTB distortion mode on to see that this can be seen as an endorsement of rape or rape culture. Why would anyone positively "change" (by making them "hard and wet") how people perceive rape ( "not at all consensual", " helplessness and danger, reckless behavior").

You couldn't make it up.[/quote]
Kink-shamer! :naughty:

BlueShiftRhino
.
.
Posts: 1422
Joined: Thu Aug 21, 2014 9:41 am

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53485

Post by BlueShiftRhino »

reGreta has a point. When I look at the book-jackets of most mysteries, they say that I'll get wet or hard while reading the murder scene, just as she says I'll get wet or hard while reading her crap. Exactly the same. She's a 21st-century Agatha Christie.

Dick Strawkins
.
.
Posts: 5859
Joined: Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:34 pm

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53486

Post by Dick Strawkins »

CuntajusRationality wrote:
Aneris wrote:Has anyone an idea about PZ Myers and imbeciles and their "rape culture" idea? PZ Myers and gang share Anita Sarkeesian with enthusiasm, yet next door Greta Christina promotes her rape pornography, which is explicitly described as such on her very own page at FTB.

[quote="Greta Christina's official "Bending" Page @FTB"]Greta Christina’s erotic stories are written to get you hard and wet — and to change the ways you think about sex. Be forewarned — stuff happens here that’s borderline consensual. Or not at all consensual. These are dirty, kinky stories about shame, about pain, helplessness and danger, reckless behavior and bad, bad ideas….
This alone is interesting. She wants people to get sexual aroused by teaching them different things about sex, which is in part not consensual, i.e. rape. I don't even have to switch FTB distortion mode on to see that this can be seen as an endorsement of rape or rape culture. Why would anyone positively "change" (by making them "hard and wet") how people perceive rape ( "not at all consensual", " helplessness and danger, reckless behavior").

You couldn't make it up.
Kink-shamer! :naughty: [/quote]

Stop kink shaming her again!

She's just a rape-positive feminist.

bhoytony
.
.
Posts: 3016
Joined: Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:56 am

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53487

Post by bhoytony »

James Caruthers wrote:
Don't forget "Richie Rich." 8-)

BTW dogs > cats, sloots.
Hey, lovin' your stuff on Twitter with Sinister and Mykeru. Great patter.

BlueShiftRhino
.
.
Posts: 1422
Joined: Thu Aug 21, 2014 9:41 am

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53488

Post by BlueShiftRhino »

Dick Strawkins wrote:She's just a rape-positive feminist.
If we're going to google-bomb PZ with "tentacle-porn enthusiasts," we really need to google-bom reGreta with "rape-positive feminist." That's totes brilliant!

screwtape
.
.
Posts: 2712
Joined: Sun Aug 18, 2013 7:15 am

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53489

Post by screwtape »

LurkerPerson wrote:I kind of feel bad for Nugent. Posts on the divide between "first" and "third" world catholicism and criticism of Islam, garners few comments. The ridiculous sideshow of moronic american bloggers being worthless retards? 500+ comments! "Dear Muslima" was 100 percent truth. None of this whiny internet drama bullshit matters one iota. Dawkins should've stuck to his guns.......
I think we should comment on his other posts as a show of good faith, interest and general support. He's doing our work for us right now, so we ought to pay him back.

paddybrown
.
.
Posts: 1728
Joined: Sat Nov 16, 2013 7:06 am
Contact:

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53490

Post by paddybrown »

[youtube]oYOZ3IzRaf4[/youtube]

Really?
.
.
Posts: 6460
Joined: Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:34 pm

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53491

Post by Really? »

BlueShiftRhino wrote:
Really? wrote:Maybe I'm still mad, but we really only seem to have two options:
Let go of the number "two" and you'll see the problem with the last week or so.
I guess I'm just a bit surprised at things. A few of us are thinking we should switch to real names in these arguments?

http://rosswarner.com/B2328.jpg

"That's right, men! March tall and proud and stay in formation, no matter how many balls fly past your ears! No force in the world can beat us if we follow the gentlemanly rules of battle!"

Jesus Tentacle Christ...using real names against people like PZ, Smellody and Oafie?

Matt Cavanaugh
.
.
Posts: 15153
Joined: Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:38 pm
Contact:

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53492

Post by Matt Cavanaugh »

BlueShiftRhino wrote:reGreta has a point. When I look at the book-jackets of most mysteries, they say that I'll get wet or hard while reading the murder scene, just as she says I'll get wet or hard while reading her crap. Exactly the same. She's a 21st-century Agatha Christie.
Rape culture -- It's OK When We Do It (tm)

CuntajusRationality
.
.
Posts: 1007
Joined: Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:25 am

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53493

Post by CuntajusRationality »

Dick Strawkins wrote: Stop kink shaming her again!

She's just a rape-positive feminist.
Wow, you weren't kidding... These are the words of a proud feminist who opposes rape-culture in all it's forms?
http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2008/12/03/on-hav/
Greta Christina wrote:I’ve been doing this for much of my adult life. And I’m starting to be curious about whether anyone else does it, too.

I’m talking about having sexual fantasies about acting out sexual fantasies. Or meta-fantasies, if you will.
Greta Christina wrote:It’s a fantasy, for fuck’s sake. Of course it’s in an ethical context of consent. It’s all taking place inside my own head. You can’t get any more consensual than that. Why can’t I just have a nice, normal rape fantasy, without adding in these meta- layers of detachment from it?
Greta Christina wrote:It’s not that I think there’s anything wrong with having coercion/ force/ rape fantasies without the “meta-fantasy” distancing technique. I don’t, at all. I feel very strongly that no fantasy in this world — not a fantasy about being Hitler molesting a kitten, nothing — is unethical. Fantasies are, by definition, consensual. No fantasy is bad.

James Caruthers
.
.
Posts: 6257
Joined: Sun Aug 25, 2013 2:50 pm

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53494

Post by James Caruthers »

CuntajusRationality wrote:
Dick Strawkins wrote: Stop kink shaming her again!

She's just a rape-positive feminist.
Wow, you weren't kidding... These are the words of a proud feminist who opposes rape-culture in all it's forms?
http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2008/12/03/on-hav/
Greta Christina wrote:I’ve been doing this for much of my adult life. And I’m starting to be curious about whether anyone else does it, too.

I’m talking about having sexual fantasies about acting out sexual fantasies. Or meta-fantasies, if you will.
Greta Christina wrote:It’s a fantasy, for fuck’s sake. Of course it’s in an ethical context of consent. It’s all taking place inside my own head. You can’t get any more consensual than that. Why can’t I just have a nice, normal rape fantasy, without adding in these meta- layers of detachment from it?
Greta Christina wrote:It’s not that I think there’s anything wrong with having coercion/ force/ rape fantasies without the “meta-fantasy” distancing technique. I don’t, at all. I feel very strongly that no fantasy in this world — not a fantasy about being Hitler molesting a kitten, nothing — is unethical. Fantasies are, by definition, consensual. No fantasy is bad.
Has anyone done a study on the percentage of SJW feminists who have rape/submission fantasies?

I want to see that study.

fuzzy
Pit Art Master
Pit Art Master
Posts: 2179
Joined: Thu Apr 03, 2014 5:30 pm

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53495

Post by fuzzy »

Really? wrote:
BlueShiftRhino wrote:
Really? wrote:Maybe I'm still mad, but we really only seem to have two options:
Let go of the number "two" and you'll see the problem with the last week or so.
I guess I'm just a bit surprised at things. A few of us are thinking we should switch to real names in these arguments?

http://rosswarner.com/B2328.jpg

"That's right, men! March tall and proud and stay in formation, no matter how many balls fly past your ears! No force in the world can beat us if we follow the gentlemanly rules of battle!"

Jesus Tentacle Christ...using real names against people like PZ, Smellody and Oafie?
The three of them are using real names, aren't they? Fair's fair.

Nec_V20
.
.
Posts: 937
Joined: Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:19 am

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53496

Post by Nec_V20 »

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Nec_V20 wrote: Although I like my name I absolutely detest every single diminutive of it. I know for a fact that if I posted with my "real" name the at least 50% of you would call me by some diminutive even knowing - or because you know - my feelings with regard to using any diminutive.

People who know me IRL only ever use a diminutive of my name ONCE. As others have told me, the look they get from me when they do use it suggests, "That the next time I call you that I am not going to have any kneecaps".
Lighten up, Frances. ;)
Not as bad as a friend I had at University whose name was Gene.

It drove him potty when people thought they were being funny with "Hi Gene".

Years later I worked together with a woman called "Jean" and she was also not amused by that either.

Being a smartass about it did backfire on one person.

They had already been through Microsoft Second Line Enterprise tech-support and his case got escalated to me. I was pretty sure I knew what was going on because I recognised it as something similar that I had spent days on to solve months earlier.

When I said my name he used the diminutive of it. I told him not to do that again. He told me to lighten up and used the diminutive again and I hung up - the solution to his problem was a purely Microsoft problem and nothing to do with our stuff. I told the English line that he was banned and that neither I nor any of my boys would talk to him.

About four hours later I was handed an absolutely grovelling E-Mail sent into the English line from the guys boss. I told the boss of the English line to send an E-Mail back that I would talk to them when the guy I had been talking to was gone.

I got in at 9AM the next morning and told that the company was in the queue for me. The guy on the line was very careful to avoid using my name at all. I found out from him that the other guy was suspended pending a disciplinary.

I really do hate every diminutive of my name.

Although, knowing that I am German I would have thought you would have gone with "Fritz" instead of "Frances". :P
Richard? Rich or Dick.
I'll tell you one thing that if I were so close to the nuclear football or had so much access to clandestine wetwork specialists as someone in the Whitehouse I would not allow anyone to call me Dick Cheney, that's for sure - or maybe THAT'S why the guy got shot in the face.

Whenever I meet a Robert it always reminds me of the joke I heard when I was a kid, "What do you call a guy with no legs or arms in the water? Bob".

Or the writer of the book "Nails on the Bannister", R. Storneaway

Or the names used to jazz up the local crematorium:

"Come see Elizabeth Fry"
"Watch Robert Browning".
"See Captain Cook"
"A Rabbie Burns night to remember".

And let's face it that one Senator really does have a cursed name - Senator Mike Crapo (who insists it be pronounce "Craypo").

And speaking of Michael, who would want a name like Mike Hunt.

I did piss myself laughing one time when I was talking to someone and found out that the name of his company was "Kuntz Consulting" when I looked at the entry in the database. It is a very common German name but when I saw that written down I just cracked up.

Matt Cavanaugh
.
.
Posts: 15153
Joined: Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:38 pm
Contact:

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53497

Post by Matt Cavanaugh »

Hey twitterati -- ask Regreta of she'll go on record saying Elliot Rodger's fantasies were "not bad."

James Caruthers
.
.
Posts: 6257
Joined: Sun Aug 25, 2013 2:50 pm

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53498

Post by James Caruthers »

Really? wrote:
I guess I'm just a bit surprised at things. A few of us are thinking we should switch to real names in these arguments?

http://rosswarner.com/B2328.jpg

"That's right, men! March tall and proud and stay in formation, no matter how many balls fly past your ears! No force in the world can beat us if we follow the gentlemanly rules of battle!"

Jesus Tentacle Christ...using real names against people like PZ, Smellody and Oafie?
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

Seems like the logical conclusion of this "action is bad, wanking is good, shitposting is better" Chivalric Code.

Why wouldn't you go ahead and give your real names and information to people who have proven they love to dox, harass and try to fire those who say things they don't like? Why not list right here on this forum, which they can read and do read, which of your various names or nyms are your actual legal name?

It's not like they've ever accused people of committing rape without any evidence to prove their claims, and then gone on in future to list that person as a "confirmed rapist."

I can't see any way for this to backfire.

Matt Cavanaugh
.
.
Posts: 15153
Joined: Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:38 pm
Contact:

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53499

Post by Matt Cavanaugh »

Google video it, Nec.

BlueShiftRhino
.
.
Posts: 1422
Joined: Thu Aug 21, 2014 9:41 am

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53500

Post by BlueShiftRhino »

James Caruthers wrote:Has anyone done a study on the percentage of SJW feminists who have rape/submission fantasies?

I want to see that study.
I tried to, but whenever I slide a consent form across the table for them to sign, they run screaming from the room. Fucking IRB is covering for them. The IRB is stocked with rape-fantasy apologists.

mikelf
.
.
Posts: 315
Joined: Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:34 am

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53501

Post by mikelf »

Really? wrote: Jesus Tentacle Christ...using real names against people like PZ, Smellody and Oafie?
Here is the thing. I was a semi-regular participant in the evolution vs. creation wars under my IRL name, despite living in one of the most religiously retrograde areas of the US. I never operated with a fear that any of the worst of the creationists, like Davescot, Sal Cordova, or William Dembski would ever try to go after me in real life. Yet here I am operating under a pseudonym completely unrelated to my real name because of the completely immoral, reactionary behaviors of PZ, Greg Laden, Stephanie Zvan, et al.

Says a lot, doesn't it?

James Caruthers
.
.
Posts: 6257
Joined: Sun Aug 25, 2013 2:50 pm

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53502

Post by James Caruthers »

Nec_V20 wrote: Being a smartass about it did backfire on one person.

They had already been through Microsoft Second Line Enterprise tech-support and his case got escalated to me. I was pretty sure I knew what was going on because I recognised it as something similar that I had spent days on to solve months earlier.

When I said my name he used the diminutive of it. I told him not to do that again. He told me to lighten up and used the diminutive again and I hung up - the solution to his problem was a purely Microsoft problem and nothing to do with our stuff. I told the English line that he was banned and that neither I nor any of my boys would talk to him.

About four hours later I was handed an absolutely grovelling E-Mail sent into the English line from the guys boss. I told the boss of the English line to send an E-Mail back that I would talk to them when the guy I had been talking to was gone.

I got in at 9AM the next morning and told that the company was in the queue for me. The guy on the line was very careful to avoid using my name at all. I found out from him that the other guy was suspended pending a disciplinary.

I really do hate every diminutive of my name.
Seems rather SJWish to get a guy on suspension for being a bit of a dick (he was probably joking around tbh) over the phone one time.

Matt Cavanaugh
.
.
Posts: 15153
Joined: Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:38 pm
Contact:

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53503

Post by Matt Cavanaugh »

James Caruthers wrote: Has anyone done a study on the percentage of SJW feminists who have rape/submission fantasies?

I want to see that study.
Feminist rape fantasies involving male feminist allies = 0.0%

Male ally fantasies involving reward of sex for rescuing feminist damsel in distress from rape by big bad alpha wolf = 100.0%

greylurker
.
.
Posts: 56
Joined: Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:02 am
Location: Perth, Western Australia

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53504

Post by greylurker »

JackSkeptic wrote:
Michael J wrote:Apologies if this has already been posted:

[urlhttp://www.nichegamer.net/2014/10/how-gamergat ... -sympathy/][/url]
To fail a quote once is unfortunate, to fail twice is carelessness. If you know where I got that quote from you win the nerds prize for this week.
Ok, I'll bite. Ian Fleming's Goldfinger. Said by Auric Goldfinger (modified) to James Bond.

windy
.
.
Posts: 2139
Joined: Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:41 am
Location: Tom of Finland-land

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53505

Post by windy »

James Caruthers wrote:
NoGodsEver wrote:Serious question: has PZ ever, in the history of Pharyngula, apologized for anything? I know he's sort of known for refusing to apologize even when shown to be manifestly wrong, but just wondering if ever, maybe years ago, he apologized for something. Anyone know?
Yeah.

To A+ and FTB regulars for not being ideologically pure enough. I'm sure he's apologized for past thoughtcrimes against feminism. :cdc:
Has he, though, or just memory holed them because they were "too easily misconstrued"? :?

http://phawrongula.wikia.com/wiki/The_M ... g_Incident

It was kind of shocking the first time he retracted/edited a post for something like that. I don't recall him ever doing that, not even when he got some basic science wrong.

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009 ... mprinting/

Matt Cavanaugh
.
.
Posts: 15153
Joined: Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:38 pm
Contact:

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53506

Post by Matt Cavanaugh »

feralandproud wrote:

I can already see tentacle rape porn enthusiast P.Z. Myers spinning this whole Nugent thing, pointing out that HE, being the bigger man, chose to ignore the petty, vindictive, rage-filled Irish atheists wild assertions.
...
I get the feeling that, to respond to Nugent's next move, PZ tentacle porn Myers will need a bit more than a tech support call with Barrister Kevin in Mumbai.

Cliché Guevara
.
.
Posts: 271
Joined: Wed Aug 21, 2013 5:21 pm

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53507

Post by Cliché Guevara »

I had forgotten all about that Tim Channel guy until I saw his comment at Nugent's.

I did not enjoy.

fuzzy
Pit Art Master
Pit Art Master
Posts: 2179
Joined: Thu Apr 03, 2014 5:30 pm

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53508

Post by fuzzy »

windy wrote:
We already know they decry it if it happens to one of them. There's plenty of material to choose from to hold up a mirror to them using their own words, so I'm not sure what Brive's scheme was supposed to contribute to that.
I'm still new enough to this hoo-hah that I have to go through the full thought exercise once or twice on new ideas as they come by. Thanks for bearing with me.

Nec_V20
.
.
Posts: 937
Joined: Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:19 am

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53509

Post by Nec_V20 »

James Caruthers wrote:
Nec_V20 wrote: Being a smartass about it did backfire on one person.

<snip>
Seems rather SJWish to get a guy on suspension for being a bit of a dick (he was probably joking around tbh) over the phone one time.
I don't think it is my autism, I think that probably most "normals" have something that would make them react similarly if the other person deliberately repeated the words or actions.

I have to admit that when someone does air quotes in front of me I get a barely resisted urge just to take their fingers and bend them back as far as they will go.

But the biscuit has to be taken by this muppet in Thunderf00t's video:

[youtube]ApozFPboUAQ[/youtube]

Never mind the whiney voice, but if she were talking with her arms like that in front of me I would be sorely tempted to break them - and I don't mean just one of the arms nor in one place either.

Don't even get me started on the morons who pronounce the word "Herbs" as "Erbs". It does not come from the French where the "H" is silent, it comes from the Latin word "Herba" (grass) and in Latin the "H" is most certainly NOT silent.

Nec_V20
.
.
Posts: 937
Joined: Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:19 am

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53510

Post by Nec_V20 »

And BTW when I first read
Seems rather SJWish to get a guy on suspension for being a bit of a dick (he was probably joking around tbh) over the phone one time.
I was thinking to myself, "What's Jewish about it?"

It took me a few times to interpret it correctly as SJW-ish.

free thoughtpolice
.
.
Posts: 10974
Joined: Wed Oct 24, 2012 4:27 pm

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53511

Post by free thoughtpolice »

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
James Caruthers wrote: Has anyone done a study on the percentage of SJW feminists who have rape/submission fantasies?

I want to see that study.
Feminist rape fantasies involving male feminist allies = 0.0%

Male ally fantasies involving reward of sex for rescuing feminist damsel in distress from rape by big bad alpha wolf = 100.0%
Male feminist allies are mentally raping feminist women by having sexual fantasies that aren't reciprocated or consented to. More evidence of rape culture.

Tribble
.
.
Posts: 5102
Joined: Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:34 pm

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53512

Post by Tribble »


Good column and he really hits it out of the park, here:
SJW’s, and the media that supports them, have become the speculators and bankers of moralistic capital on the internet…and their bubble is starting to burst. They received back pats, congratulations and clicks (profit) when nothing of value was actually offered. They peddled in assets of self righteous indignation that when more closely analyzed for intellectual and ethical merit are noticeably lacking

And the link: http://www.nichegamer.net/2014/10/how-g ... is9WWci.99

Garlix

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53513

Post by Garlix »

Cliché Guevara wrote:I had forgotten all about that Tim Channel guy until I saw his comment at Nugent's.

I did not enjoy.

I was going to ask for a link, but I googled, found his blog and went: "Oh, that guy..."

Yeah, maybe not linking was the right call.

Tribble
.
.
Posts: 5102
Joined: Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:34 pm

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53514

Post by Tribble »

NoGodsEver wrote:Serious question: has PZ ever, in the history of Pharyngula, apologized for anything? I know he's sort of known for refusing to apologize even when shown to be manifestly wrong, but just wondering if ever, maybe years ago, he apologized for something. Anyone know?
To someone he's libeled, slandered, straw-manned, insulted, brow-beat, raged at and/or helped to dox, or wreck their life? No. I'm sure he's apologized to his 'horde' for not being a big enough douche at times. But that hardly counts in my book.

Tribble
.
.
Posts: 5102
Joined: Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:34 pm

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53515

Post by Tribble »

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Nec_V20 wrote: Although I like my name I absolutely detest every single diminutive of it. I know for a fact that if I posted with my "real" name the at least 50% of you would call me by some diminutive even knowing - or because you know - my feelings with regard to using any diminutive.

People who know me IRL only ever use a diminutive of my name ONCE. As others have told me, the look they get from me when they do use it suggests, "That the next time I call you that I am not going to have any kneecaps".
Lighten up, Frances. ;)
It'd probably Richard. And you know how that works...

Tribble
.
.
Posts: 5102
Joined: Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:34 pm

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53516

Post by Tribble »

LurkerPerson wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Nec_V20 wrote: Although I like my name I absolutely detest every single diminutive of it. I know for a fact that if I posted with my "real" name the at least 50% of you would call me by some diminutive even knowing - or because you know - my feelings with regard to using any diminutive.

People who know me IRL only ever use a diminutive of my name ONCE. As others have told me, the look they get from me when they do use it suggests, "That the next time I call you that I am not going to have any kneecaps".
Lighten up, Frances. ;)

Richard? Rich or Dick.
Ninja'd. Damn.

Nec_V20
.
.
Posts: 937
Joined: Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:19 am

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53517

Post by Nec_V20 »

Tribble wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Nec_V20 wrote: Although I like my name I absolutely detest every single diminutive of it. I know for a fact that if I posted with my "real" name the at least 50% of you would call me by some diminutive even knowing - or because you know - my feelings with regard to using any diminutive.

People who know me IRL only ever use a diminutive of my name ONCE. As others have told me, the look they get from me when they do use it suggests, "That the next time I call you that I am not going to have any kneecaps".
Lighten up, Frances. ;)
It'd probably Richard. And you know how that works...
Somebody already thought about that.

windy
.
.
Posts: 2139
Joined: Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:41 am
Location: Tom of Finland-land

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53518

Post by windy »

bovarchist wrote: QC jumped the shark when Station apologized for posting inappropriate photos of the lieutenant on Facebook. That was the point when the cartoonist Jeph Jacques chose correctness over humor.

http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2114
Could be he's had second thoughts about that? :think:

http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2229
http://www.questionablecontent.net/comics/2229.jpg

fuzzy
Pit Art Master
Pit Art Master
Posts: 2179
Joined: Thu Apr 03, 2014 5:30 pm

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53519

Post by fuzzy »


JackSkeptic
.
.
Posts: 3222
Joined: Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:23 pm
Location: UK

Re: Nerds. Nerds EVERYWHERE...

#53520

Post by JackSkeptic »

greylurker wrote:
JackSkeptic wrote:
Michael J wrote:Apologies if this has already been posted:

[urlhttp://www.nichegamer.net/2014/10/how-gamergat ... -sympathy/][/url]
To fail a quote once is unfortunate, to fail twice is carelessness. If you know where I got that quote from you win the nerds prize for this week.
Ok, I'll bite. Ian Fleming's Goldfinger. Said by Auric Goldfinger (modified) to James Bond.
It's in an Oscar Wild play, The Importance of being Ernest. It was in response to a character saying he had lost both parents when he was a baby. Replace 'fail' with 'lose a parent'.

At 4:30:

[youtube]7eymdx4xomM[/youtube]



Anyway, on with the fun.

Locked