You'll have to forgive me, I just got up on a Sunday morning to see this so it may be rambling but there are multiple lies here of the type which are pretty well typified by what Dr. Tara Palmatier (a psychologist whose full time practice is in working with men who are or have been in relationshps with abusive borderlines) calls "DARVO" - Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender. She's making up lies to change the subject. Let's go through them one by one:
"He has recruited the help of a hate group to help spread his word. "A Voice For Men"."
Despite lies by the FreeThoughBlog crowd and a few others, AVfM has NEVER been declared a hate group except in the opinion of hateful ideologues like PZ Myers. SPLC, while expressing some "concerns" because we sometimes allow heated (but strictly nonviolent) rhetroric, publicly disavowed any notion that they had declared us a hate group. But that's OK, we get the slander all the time and this isn't about us.
WHat's the real lie is the claim that Radford recruited us. She made this up. The only people to work on the story were Robert O'Hara and myself, with Robert doing most of the work and some support help from me. Neither of us has had any contact with Radford. We got a tip, we did some research, made some phone calls, worked with what we had online. Since everything in Radford's documentation holds up 100% consistent with what we see when we look at false accuser cases (and we've worked on a number of those) we came to the conclusion his case deserved wider exposure and ran our story.
"They claim now that this campaign is a violation of Indiegogo's terms. It is not."
We made no such claim, although we believe a strong case can be made that it does. An interesting test of this would be if someone would do an Indiegogo campaign for Ben Radford to help him raise money against libel from a malicious false accuser, without naming who his false accuser is. We can't do that, but someone else could. We hope someone does. If Indiegogo allows it, great, an almost certainly innocent man gets help. If Indiegogo denies it, then they will have confirmed that they are not consistent with their own terms of service and are fundamentally sexist. AVfM would not run such a campaign but would give extensive coverage to anyone who tried.
"They claim that I am planning to just pocket this money."
We made no such claim.
"They claim that my insurance is covering my costs so this money is fraudulently requested."
We made no such claim.
Now, we don't really care that Stollznow has lied about us because we get lied about all the time. It comes with the territory when you either attack ideological feminism (it garners the same type of slanderous responses that you get when you answer Creationist lunacy) or when you try to defend the rights of boys and men specifically, even when the science clearly shows that they're in deep trouble in our educational and legal and social systems in multiple areas (even if individual men are often fine, as a group men have problems no one wants to talk about and get mad at you when you do talk about them).
Although from a publicity angle it's probably not worth trying to address AVfM's reporting (and that's what it was: reporting) on the Radford/Stollznow case, the fact is that this response by Stollznow is probably further proof of libel and ill-intent by Stollznow. It certainly cements in my mind that she's probably a classic Cluster-B personality disordered type.
We would almost certainly do another story on this, if we could get an authenticated screen shot or otherwise-authenticatable copy of this set of perniciously false statements by Stollznow. Can anyone tell me where to find it and/or email it to me? I only occasionally visit the Slymepit and I'm very busy working other projects but my email is dean at avoiceformen and my Skype is deanesmay and my phone is 313-334-4887.
zenbabe wrote:Brive1987 wrote:Has KS new update been raised yet?
Karen Stollznow posted an announcement 13 hours ago
My harasser continues to try to spread false information about me while demonstrating his harassment. He has recruited the help of a hate group to help spread his word. "A Voice For Men". They claim now that this campaign is a violation of Indiegogo's terms. It is not. They claim that I am planning to just pocket this money. I am not. They claim that my insurance is covering my costs so this money is fraudulently requested. Not true. My harasser was clever in his lawsuit and included things that my insurance could not cover, like claims of fraud.
These are the same techniques of silencing the victim that many of us have encountered and suffered through. I will no longer be silent. My day in court is coming...
Come one come all to see the propaganda inherent in the linguist.
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