If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

SoylentAtheist wrote:

Spike13 wrote:

I also think the JREF, and in particular DJ Grothe will be in trouble, for allowing sexual assaults to occur on their watch at TAM.

They pretty much hate Grothe to begin with don't they?
I would imagine since the larger pain in the asses have abandoned TAM already their effect should be minimal.
As long as Randi is still the standard bearer, the JREF should be fine. When he does pass( hopefully many,many years from now) Many of the more popular draws will still do TAM out of loyaly and memory of him.

TAM made the smarter of all possible moves. They bit the bullet early. Now their damage was short, sweet and they can continue to grow. Where as CFI tried to play their game and it keeps on grinding them down more & more. Had Ron Lindsey bit the bullet at the first Women in Secularism conference, he would have been far better off.

Yes, the SJW's overreached when they went after Harriet Hall. Her T-shirt had nothing offensive, unless you were looking to be offended.Although the idea that her shirt reduced some to tears, does bring a bit of a smile to my face.
I wouldn't want to be stuck in a foxhole with any of them.(SJW's)

mary (abbie's ilk) wrote:Lumpectomy and 6 weeks daily radiation Rx has me away from the Pit for a bit..Mum has just had a lobectomy and I get to be her driver for her 6 weeks of radiation... I will never catch up...

but reading the Pit does provide a bit of comic relief at the end of the day..well, OK ..the Pit + 2 oxy's + soma + a few benzo's does the trick...

a bit off topic...Mum is considering the medical marijuana route in combination with conventional Rx. Can anyone provide links to show evidence that it might help her control any potential side effects...Her doctor insists that there is no credible scientific studies showing that it will help her in any way with any of her potential side effects...

Send links privately..don't want to derail... In summary for me:

I think one of Parody's shops gave me PTSD..
I know I wanted to comment on Skeptickles abortions posts..don't have the energy.
Radford was a fool...but by telling him to release it early if he was confident nothing could go wrong gave them...

nevermind..I'm too tired to keep up my train of thought to discuss it...and I've still got about 20 pages left to catch up on!

Best of wishes for you and your mum.
I've had a quick scan of the medical literature and I can't find much that supports marijuana in cancer treatment. It has been shown to have positive effects in managing chronic pain - although in other conditions, not usually in cancer - but it doesn't seem to be that effective in treatment of chemotherapeutic associated nausea, at least compared to alternatives.

SoylentAtheist wrote:

Spike13 wrote:

I also think the JREF, and in particular DJ Grothe will be in trouble, for allowing sexual assaults to occur on their watch at TAM.

They pretty much hate Grothe to begin with don't they?
I would imagine since the larger pain in the asses have abandoned TAM already their effect should be minimal.
As long as Randi is still the standard bearer, the JREF should be fine. When he does pass( hopefully many,many years from now) Many of the more popular draws will still do TAM out of loyaly and memory of him.

TAM made the smarter of all possible moves. They bit the bullet early. Now their damage was short, sweet and they can continue to grow. Where as CFI tried to play their game and it keeps on grinding them down more & more. Had Ron Lindsey bit the bullet at the first Women in Secularism conference, he would have been far better off.

The best outcome of this whole saga may actually be the destruction of CFI as an organization.
The way it was set up/funded made it vunerable to SJW manipulation and it shows in the way they responded to Melody Hensleys disastrous role in their organization.

As you suggest, JREF has tackled them much earlier (although they have invited Stollznow to present at TAM this year - that's going to be interesting!)
I think the funding situation is different for the JREF. I think they get a lot of their money from the TAM events and these are much less vunerable to SJW threats.
When SJWs threaten to boycott TAM, it becomes more attractive to the rest of the community.

Matt Cavanaugh wrote: First donor was PZ for $100. Hyperdeath's put $250 in!

I contributed $100. Check's in the mail, Karen.[/quote]

100 would be two weeks groceries for us. Just sayin' :whistle:

Dick Strawkins wrote:

mary (abbie's ilk) wrote:Lumpectomy and 6 weeks daily radiation Rx has me away from the Pit for a bit..Mum has just had a lobectomy and I get to be her driver for her 6 weeks of radiation... I will never catch up...

but reading the Pit does provide a bit of comic relief at the end of the day..well, OK ..the Pit + 2 oxy's + soma + a few benzo's does the trick...

a bit off topic...Mum is considering the medical marijuana route in combination with conventional Rx. Can anyone provide links to show evidence that it might help her control any potential side effects...Her doctor insists that there is no credible scientific studies showing that it will help her in any way with any of her potential side effects...

Send links privately..don't want to derail... In summary for me:

I think one of Parody's shops gave me PTSD..
I know I wanted to comment on Skeptickles abortions posts..don't have the energy.
Radford was a fool...but by telling him to release it early if he was confident nothing could go wrong gave them...

nevermind..I'm too tired to keep up my train of thought to discuss it...and I've still got about 20 pages left to catch up on!

Best of wishes for you and your mum.
I've had a quick scan of the medical literature and I can't find much that supports marijuana in cancer treatment. It has been shown to have positive effects in managing chronic pain - although in other conditions, not usually in cancer - but it doesn't seem to be that effective in treatment of chemotherapeutic associated nausea, at least compared to alternatives.

Actually the medical marijuana research is based on correlation without causation. The marijuana does nothing for pain, or cancer. The Doritos, however, are a miracle cure.

Best of outcomes to you and your mom, Mary.

Brive1987 wrote:As will Radford ... Probably to chase Streeps skirt.

Redford/Streep will play in the movie version (and Gilbert Godfrey as Baxter). It will be called All is Lost.

Hunt wrote:

Brive1987 wrote:As will Radford ... Probably to chase Streeps skirt.

Redford/Streep will play in the movie version (and Gilbert Godfrey as Baxter). It will be called All is Lost.

I thought it was " Much todo about nothing".

Spike13 wrote:

Hunt wrote:

Brive1987 wrote:As will Radford ... Probably to chase Streeps skirt.

Redford/Streep will play in the movie version (and Gilbert Godfrey as Baxter). It will be called All is Lost.

I thought it was " Much todo about nothing".

The way things are going I think it's going to be Reversal of Fortune.

@mary (abbie's ilk) : Hope it all goes well for you. Reading the Slympit is a known cure for all ills. Laughter is the best medicine and all that.

another lurker wrote:[youtube]Qgyfn_eHfoo[/youtube]

Hotel California is the one song that can turn me into a homicidal-minded maniac.

[youtube]Wm-o7_VVAoU[/youtube]

Thank you, whoever posted this Eagles antidote video a while back. :D

JackSkeptic wrote:@mary (abbie's ilk) : Hope it all goes well for you. Reading the Slympit is a known cure for all ills. Laughter is the best medicine and all that.

Yes, hang in there.

Hunt wrote:

Brive1987 wrote:As will Radford ... Probably to chase Streeps skirt.

Redford/Streep will play in the movie version (and Gilbert Godfrey as Baxter). It will be called All is Lost.

That's a waste, like getting Chagall to paint the garage. These two would do fine for a tenth of the price.

http://imgur.com/V1CHXYh.jpg

mary (abbie's ilk) wrote:Lumpectomy and 6 weeks daily radiation Rx has me away from the Pit for a bit..Mum has just had a lobectomy and I get to be her driver for her 6 weeks of radiation... I will never catch up...

but reading the Pit does provide a bit of comic relief at the end of the day..well, OK ..the Pit + 2 oxy's + soma + a few benzo's does the trick...

Sorry to hear you and your Mum have been going thorough that, and best wishes for a good outcome. And Jack is right ... laughter is the best medicine. If nothing else, the 'Pit thread that collects all the 'shops might help!

Email tells me I've been elevatorgated by Stephanie Zvan.... I feel so unclean, I am triggering with rage right now having tossed my surlies at this unsolicited storification.... Well, let's see what I could possibly have done....

https://storify.com/szvan/yay-more-people-to-block

http://i.imgur.com/vaJBmt0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/c5dQ7f7.jpg

So that was a tweet not only worth blocking BUT worth storifying.

In fact, most of the storify reads that way. Any outside observer would look at most of who she blocks and conclude she is nuts.

https://storify.com/szvan/yay-more-people-to-block

http://i.imgur.com/Y7k05XJ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/DSLfOUr.jpg

Jeez, I stopped reading after three pages, stopped counting after six pages.

I believe she is unemployed and yet, If I were hiring her as an analyst and saw this, I would think she was crazy, and trouble. If I were any in her team of therapists, I'd be rethinking dosages, and working to help her become functional again.

A tenth of Redford/Streep money would make indiegogo money look like chump change. More like a thousandth.

... and working to help her become functional again

And that's where your argument shudders to a false premised halt.

Hunt wrote:

Brive1987 wrote:As will Radford ... Probably to chase Streeps skirt.

Redford/Streep will play in the movie version (and Gilbert Godfrey as Baxter). It will be called All is Lost.

Wrong!

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2010 ... ockbio.png

Oh, wait, Glenn Shadix is dead: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0787187/

Bummer.

Ape+lust wrote:

Hunt wrote:

Brive1987 wrote:As will Radford ... Probably to chase Streeps skirt.

Redford/Streep will play in the movie version (and Gilbert Godfrey as Baxter). It will be called All is Lost.

That's a waste, like getting Chagall to paint the garage. These two would do fine for a tenth of the price.

http://imgur.com/V1CHXYh.jpg

Maybe Karen can play herself.
She does quite well in this video:

[youtube]02m_VPCcLjU[/youtube]

That is Karen, isn't it? :shifty:

JacquesCuze wrote: I believe she is unemployed and yet, If I were hiring her as an analyst and saw this, I would think she was crazy, and trouble. If I were any in her team of therapists, I'd be rethinking dosages, and working to help her become functional again.

Does anyone mind if I ask a really dumb question. No, of course you don't...

What the hell is an "analyst." Psycho-analyst? Does she work for the CIA? What?

Gefan wrote:Hi Gang!

Sure has been a busy day!

So, I had a phone interview for a really great job today and it went really well!
They're flying me out next month to interview in person.
Of course, it'd mean uprooting my whole life (again) but, hey, gotta pay the bills, right?

Boy, I sure do wish there was some way I could rake in tens of thousands of dollars for doing fuck-all.

So, anyway, did I miss anything?

Hope the interview goes well!

And yeah, sure would be nice to rake in tens of thousands of dollars with little or no effort ... and tax-free, no less. Though I find that part difficult to believe, probably because it just sticks in my craw. Recently I received a teaching award that had a monetary prize (not tens of thousands, though) - more than a third of the amount was taken out of the check right off the top, for taxes. :evil:

Hunt wrote: Does anyone mind if I ask a really dumb question. No, of course you don't...

What the hell is an "analyst." Psycho-analyst? Does she work for the CIA? What?

I read that as "anal cyst," but then I don't think much of Zvan and her crap writing.

Hunt wrote:

JacquesCuze wrote: I believe she is unemployed and yet, If I were hiring her as an analyst and saw this, I would think she was crazy, and trouble. If I were any in her team of therapists, I'd be rethinking dosages, and working to help her become functional again.

Does anyone mind if I ask a really dumb question. No, of course you don't...

What the hell is an "analyst." Psycho-analyst? Does she work for the CIA? What?

Her blog bio says she is an analyst by trade. And you're right, that could mean anything.

I started off as a "software analyst" but that meant at the time, I computer programmer. I have no idea what Zvan does.

BarnOwl wrote:

Hunt wrote: Does anyone mind if I ask a really dumb question. No, of course you don't...

What the hell is an "analyst." Psycho-analyst? Does she work for the CIA? What?

I read that as "anal cyst," but then I don't think much of Zvan and her crap writing.

I think she used to work in IT management - heading up a team that solved IT problems for some large company.

And yes, I read it as anal cyst too.

Dick Strawkins wrote:
The best outcome of this whole saga may actually be the destruction of CFI as an organization.
The way it was set up/funded made it vunerable to SJW manipulation and it shows in the way they responded to Melody Hensleys disastrous role in their organization.

As you suggest, JREF has tackled them much earlier (although they have invited Stollznow to present at TAM this year - that's going to be interesting!)
I think the funding situation is different for the JREF. I think they get a lot of their money from the TAM events and these are much less vunerable to SJW threats.
When SJWs threaten to boycott TAM, it becomes more attractive to the rest of the community.

Given the performance of the CFI Allstars recently, it might actually do the "movement" (steady, Lsuoma) some good to lose them altogether.

It's ridiculous that this personal tiff has been elevated into the Schism Meme of the Week but, as Frankie says, when two tribes go to war...

Radford sounds shot of the whole thing already and he has no good options left - at least not if he wants to be seen as the "good guy". The least worst outcome for him is to win the case and get huge damages - they'll all hate him, but at least he pays the bills. Judging from his emails to Baxter (who may or may not ever have been given authority to act for KS), he hasn't got the stomach for a long, expensive legal battle. It was always going to be one - KS gives no sign that she was ever going to sign that retraction, and Radford's early release blunder was a gift. The e-begging was always going to happen, it's what they do.

And it helps to make Tiff-gate into today's Skeptic Agony, so there's that.

Spike13 wrote:

I also think the JREF, and in particular DJ Grothe will be in trouble, for allowing sexual assaults to occur on their watch at TAM.

They pretty much hate Grothe to begin with don't they?
I would imagine since the larger pain in the asses have abandoned TAM already their effect should be minimal.
As long as Randi is still the standard bearer, the JREF should be fine. When he does pass( hopefully many,many years from now) Many of the more popular draws will still do TAM out of loyaly and memory of him.

Speaking of Randi, the JREF just posted these clips of Randi's appearance on Happy Days in 1978. :D

Part 1:
Part 2:
Part 3:

JacquesCuze wrote:Email tells me I've been elevatorgated by Stephanie Zvan.... I feel so unclean, I am triggering with rage right now having tossed my surlies at this unsolicited storification.... Well, let's see what I could possibly have done....

Ah I see.

Being mucked about by people who are professionally employed to look after your money - not worth complaining about, I mean it's hardly the holocaust is it? No wonder atheists have bad PR.

Having a moron prevent you from communicating with them online - worth complaining about.

Skep tickle wrote:Nice new avatar, Clarence.

She just LOOKS young. I'm sure she's totes 18 or over. :|

Dave2 wrote:

JacquesCuze wrote:Email tells me I've been elevatorgated by Stephanie Zvan.... I feel so unclean, I am triggering with rage right now having tossed my surlies at this unsolicited storification.... Well, let's see what I could possibly have done....

Ah I see.

Being mucked about by people who are professionally employed to look after your money - not worth complaining about, I mean it's hardly the holocaust is it? No wonder atheists have bad PR.

Having a moron prevent you from communicating with them online - worth complaining about.

Seriously? You can't tell the difference between

A) AA calling in the press and then putting together a legal team to have state laws changed because one time out of a dozen someone at a bank was a jerk to them AND they still got served in a timely fashion

versus

B) Writing a comment online to a relatively small group of people that some dumbass they all sort of know felt your tweet was worthy of a block.

Well tell me more about how these are the same or I am worse and I'll read it tomorrow when I wake up.

Dave2 wrote:

JacquesCuze wrote:Email tells me I've been elevatorgated by Stephanie Zvan.... I feel so unclean, I am triggering with rage right now having tossed my surlies at this unsolicited storification.... Well, let's see what I could possibly have done....

Ah I see.

Being mucked about by people who are professionally employed to look after your money - not worth complaining about, I mean it's hardly the holocaust is it? No wonder atheists have bad PR.

Having a moron prevent you from communicating with them online - worth complaining about.

Of course, it wasn't "people" either. It was one person. And there was no evidence from AA that this was a persistent problem. What they said was it was the first time it had happened in a dozen visits. And that person still got someone else to serve them.

Anyway, nighty night.

JacquesCuze wrote:

Hunt wrote:

JacquesCuze wrote: I believe she is unemployed and yet, If I were hiring her as an analyst and saw this, I would think she was crazy, and trouble. If I were any in her team of therapists, I'd be rethinking dosages, and working to help her become functional again.

Does anyone mind if I ask a really dumb question. No, of course you don't...

What the hell is an "analyst." Psycho-analyst? Does she work for the CIA? What?

Her blog bio says she is an analyst by trade. And you're right, that could mean anything.

I started off as a "software analyst" but that meant at the time, I computer programmer. I have no idea what Zvan does.

I used to be a business analyst. I would complete capacity plans, marketing studies, new business quotes, technology plans, etc. An analyst is a general term for someone who studies something. When used without further clarification it can mean almost anything.

BarnOwl wrote:

Hunt wrote: Does anyone mind if I ask a really dumb question. No, of course you don't...

What the hell is an "analyst." Psycho-analyst? Does she work for the CIA? What?

I read that as "anal cyst," but then I don't think much of Zvan and her crap writing.

Maybe it's...

[youtube]UrIpPqcln6Y[/youtube]

Scented Nectar wrote:

Skep tickle wrote:Nice new avatar, Clarence.

She just LOOKS young. I'm sure she's totes 18 or over. :|

Well, I'm playing Fire Emblem: Awakening right now, and this character...

http://31.media.tumblr.com/6a7dff9ba18a ... o1_500.jpg

..is a dragon that is thousands years old. And you can make her marry someone from your army, including your own Avatar.

John D wrote:An analyst is a general term for someone who studies something. When used without further clarification it can mean almost anything.

I used to be a navel analyst. It's amazing how much you can learn about ships by studying your bellybutton.

JacquesCuze wrote:Email tells me I've been elevatorgated by Stephanie Zvan.... I feel so unclean, I am triggering with rage right now having tossed my surlies at this unsolicited storification.... Well, let's see what I could possibly have done....

https://storify.com/szvan/yay-more-people-to-block

http://i.imgur.com/vaJBmt0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/c5dQ7f7.jpg

So that was a tweet not only worth blocking BUT worth storifying.

In fact, most of the storify reads that way. Any outside observer would look at most of who she blocks and conclude she is nuts.

https://storify.com/szvan/yay-more-people-to-block

http://i.imgur.com/Y7k05XJ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/DSLfOUr.jpg

Jeez, I stopped reading after three pages, stopped counting after six pages.

I believe she is unemployed and yet, If I were hiring her as an analyst and saw this, I would think she was crazy, and trouble. If I were any in her team of therapists, I'd be rethinking dosages, and working to help her become functional again.

There's something I don't understand. She seems to be quoting tweeps she has blocked, yet takes it personal that the blocked tweeps look into her. What is the logic here?


Also, I hope she follows through on migrating her 'blog' to storify.

Kenteken wrote:

JacquesCuze wrote:Email tells me I've been elevatorgated by Stephanie Zvan.... I feel so unclean, I am triggering with rage right now having tossed my surlies at this unsolicited storification.... Well, let's see what I could possibly have done....

https://storify.com/szvan/yay-more-people-to-block

http://i.imgur.com/vaJBmt0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/c5dQ7f7.jpg

So that was a tweet not only worth blocking BUT worth storifying.

In fact, most of the storify reads that way. Any outside observer would look at most of who she blocks and conclude she is nuts.

https://storify.com/szvan/yay-more-people-to-block

http://i.imgur.com/Y7k05XJ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/DSLfOUr.jpg

Jeez, I stopped reading after three pages, stopped counting after six pages.

I believe she is unemployed and yet, If I were hiring her as an analyst and saw this, I would think she was crazy, and trouble. If I were any in her team of therapists, I'd be rethinking dosages, and working to help her become functional again.

There's something I don't understand. She seems to be quoting tweeps she has blocked, yet takes it personal that the blocked tweeps look into her. What is the logic here?


Also, I hope she follows through on migrating her 'blog' to storify.

It's OK when they do it.

Spike13 wrote:

Brive1987 wrote:Midnight Marauder is making a lonely foray onto the chill battlefield tonight. Full marks for a dogged rear guard action on this fell day.

Shitting in PZ's living room and then wiping his ass on the drapes....brilliant.
I like to picture PZ with bucket and scrub brush removing the offending entry's .
If Pariahgula is now " a party he would wish to attend" perhaps he shouldn't pass out so early.
PS PZ he second storied the toilet too.

Hey guy, new rule for you:
Use the fucking preview button. Every time.
Most of us scroll past you because you fuck up quotes. It's incomprehensible.

Preview, then fix it. Then, preview again. Until you get the hang of it. How have you not figured it out yet?!

Dave2 wrote:

JacquesCuze wrote:Email tells me I've been elevatorgated by Stephanie Zvan.... I feel so unclean, I am triggering with rage right now having tossed my surlies at this unsolicited storification.... Well, let's see what I could possibly have done....

Ah I see.

Being mucked about by people who are professionally employed to look after your money - not worth complaining about, I mean it's hardly the holocaust is it? No wonder atheists have bad PR.

Having a moron prevent you from communicating with them online - worth complaining about.

Get to the back of the bus! What's the big deal, yo?

Brive1987 wrote:Midnight Marauder is making a lonely foray onto the chill battlefield tonight. Full marks for a dogged rear guard action on this fell day.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... /#comments


http://i.imgur.com/DSxZjve.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TbWYDVz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CGKExXL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/hYsvrnb.jpg

They're like Tibetan sandpainted mandalas; beautiful, but ephemeral.

Scented Nectar wrote:

another lurker wrote:[youtube]Qgyfn_eHfoo[/youtube]

Hotel California is the one song that can turn me into a homicidal-minded maniac.

[youtube]Wm-o7_VVAoU[/youtube]

Thank you, whoever posted this Eagles antidote video a while back. :D

You're welcome. Fucking hate the eagles. I found Mojo Nixon through a Dead Milkmen song, "Punk Rock Girl", when I was about 13. Fucking loved that whole Mojo Nixon album, Otis.

JacquesCuze wrote:

Dave2 wrote:

JacquesCuze wrote:Email tells me I've been elevatorgated by Stephanie Zvan.... I feel so unclean, I am triggering with rage right now having tossed my surlies at this unsolicited storification.... Well, let's see what I could possibly have done....

Ah I see.

Being mucked about by people who are professionally employed to look after your money - not worth complaining about, I mean it's hardly the holocaust is it? No wonder atheists have bad PR.

Having a moron prevent you from communicating with them online - worth complaining about.

Seriously? You can't tell the difference between...

I am not aware that you need to judge things as equivalent in all regards in order to compare them in a particular regard.

So the rest of that post's just blethers really.

Of course, it wasn't "people" either. It was one person. And there was no evidence from AA that this was a persistent problem. What they said was it was the first time it had happened in a dozen visits. And that person still got someone else to serve them.

Irrelevant. I go to my bank expecting the employees to treat me with professional courtesy unless I'm being unreasonable. I do not regard the nature of the political or religious affiliation of my account to count as unreasonable behaviour. If an employee mucks me about and then finds someone else to deal with me then it's not the people at the bank who are a problem provided they reprimand their unprofessional employee. If they don't do that and just facilitate his or her behaviour, then the people at the bank are mucking me about.

If it's the policy of the bank to have their employees arbitrarily serve customers based on their foibles then I wouldn't use that bank anymore, and if it's not the bank's policy I would want them to take action against a rogue employee behaving in such a manner so as to give the impression that the bank allow such a thing.

And if I was a part of an advocacy group with a platform against such bigotry I'd certainly make note of it.

Dave2 wrote:

JacquesCuze wrote:Email tells me I've been elevatorgated by Stephanie Zvan.... I feel so unclean, I am triggering with rage right now having tossed my surlies at this unsolicited storification.... Well, let's see what I could possibly have done....

Ah I see.

Being mucked about by people who are professionally employed to look after your money - not worth complaining about, I mean it's hardly the holocaust is it? No wonder atheists have bad PR.

Having a moron prevent you from communicating with them online - worth complaining about.

You don't understand. A Twitter feed or a Facebook feed? That's private property. You have no right to take those tweets and to put them on another site without the writer's consent. This repeating-exactly-what-I've-said trend among the neckbeards? It is worse than rape threats.

You have to understand that a person's Twitter feed is their safe space. No one has the right to make it unsafe.

For anyone who cares to read it, here is the press release from AA on the Notary issue. I think it is quite good. They are only asking for an apology. What they are getting are lies from Bank Management. As I have said before. This is why I give them money. They do get some media attention. Sometimes they come across as mean and nasty, which may backfire a bit. But, I don't know how to raise awareness without poking some people in the eye a bit.

http://news.atheists.org/2014/03/27/ame ... statement/

http://www.freezepage.com/1396011147OFINWLFRFS

Svan on "why she stays".

The “worst case” scenario in terms of what happens with your money is that Radford drops the suit, and it goes to sexual assault victim advocacy instead.

Wouldn't the "worst case scenario" for these idiots be "Radford wins his suit, Stollznow is forced to apologize and hand over whatever cash she has left"?

It's funny how they seem to ignore the fact that Radford was perfectly willing to take this to court in the first place. I guess the SJL is expecting him to fold now that Stollznow has managed to beg the funds for a lawyer?

feralandproud wrote:http://www.freezepage.com/1396011147OFINWLFRFS

Svan on "why she stays".

The “worst case” scenario in terms of what happens with your money is that Radford drops the suit, and it goes to sexual assault victim advocacy instead.

Wouldn't the "worst case scenario" for these idiots be "Radford wins his suit, Stollznow is forced to apologize and hand over whatever cash she has left"?

It's funny how they seem to ignore the fact that Radford was perfectly willing to take this to court in the first place. I guess the SJL is expecting him to fold now that Stollznow has managed to beg the funds for a lawyer?

Hmm...I'm a little surprised that I don't see any SJW hoping that "sexual assault" never happened in the first place. Shouldn't THAT be their hope?

ROBOKiTTY wrote:Is it just my overworked brains or has that edit button under everyone's avatar always been there?

You have to have made at least one post to get the edit button.

AnonymousCowherd wrote:

Dick Strawkins wrote:
The best outcome of this whole saga may actually be the destruction of CFI as an organization.
The way it was set up/funded made it vunerable to SJW manipulation and it shows in the way they responded to Melody Hensleys disastrous role in their organization.

As you suggest, JREF has tackled them much earlier (although they have invited Stollznow to present at TAM this year - that's going to be interesting!)
I think the funding situation is different for the JREF. I think they get a lot of their money from the TAM events and these are much less vunerable to SJW threats.
When SJWs threaten to boycott TAM, it becomes more attractive to the rest of the community.

Given the performance of the CFI Allstars recently, it might actually do the "movement" (steady, Lsuoma) some good to lose them altogether.

It's ridiculous that this personal tiff has been elevated into the Schism Meme of the Week but, as Frankie says, when two tribes go to war...

Radford sounds shot of the whole thing already and he has no good options left - at least not if he wants to be seen as the "good guy". The least worst outcome for him is to win the case and get huge damages - they'll all hate him, but at least he pays the bills. Judging from his emails to Baxter (who may or may not ever have been given authority to act for KS), he hasn't got the stomach for a long, expensive legal battle. It was always going to be one - KS gives no sign that she was ever going to sign that retraction, and Radford's early release blunder was a gift. The e-begging was always going to happen, it's what they do.

And it helps to make Tiff-gate into today's Skeptic Agony, so there's that.

I think the Stolznow/Radord thing is only a schism meme to the baboons because it represents women as victims of a patriarchal atheist movement. Personally I don't care. I don't know S/R. I don't know what happened between them, so I don't know which persons court victory would result in justice. I know whatever the outcome; the crowing from the baboons will be deafening.

I wouldn't mind CFI disbanding, if just to get rid of Hensley. It's probably the only way they can. The fun part is Melody will likely never find meaningful work again. All any potential employer has to do is google her to know she's a drama whoring-shit stirring-nightmare. Lindsay and the others will probably do just fine.

Really? wrote:Hmm...I'm a little surprised that I don't see any SJW hoping that "sexual assault" never happened in the first place. Shouldn't THAT be their hope?

I'm no SJW, but I'd rather there weren't sexual assaults. Why would I waste my time "hoping" they didn't occur? They do occur. Given that they do occur the one under discussion may have occurred. Clearly arguing about it online just entrenches the two sides, so get the parties concerned in front of a judge.

Southern wrote:Well, I'm playing Fire Emblem: Awakening right now, and this character...

http://31.media.tumblr.com/6a7dff9ba18a ... o1_500.jpg

..is a dragon that is thousands years old. And you can make her marry someone from your army, including your own Avatar.

Well, I must say, she doesn't look a day over 900. :)

Parody Accountant wrote:

Spike13 wrote:

Brive1987 wrote:Midnight Marauder is making a lonely foray onto the chill battlefield tonight. Full marks for a dogged rear guard action on this fell day.

Shitting in PZ's living room and then wiping his ass on the drapes....brilliant.
I like to picture PZ with bucket and scrub brush removing the offending entry's .
If Pariahgula is now " a party he would wish to attend" perhaps he shouldn't pass out so early.
PS PZ he second storied the toilet too.

Hey guy, new rule for you:
Use the fucking preview button. Every time.
Most of us scroll past you because you fuck up quotes. It's incomprehensible.

Preview, then fix it. Then, preview again. Until you get the hang of it. How have you not figured it out yet?!

Lots of people have s/h/it on ignore already.

John D wrote:For anyone who cares to read it, here is the press release from AA on the Notary issue. I think it is quite good. They are only asking for an apology. What they are getting are lies from Bank Management. As I have said before. This is why I give them money. They do get some media attention. Sometimes they come across as mean and nasty, which may backfire a bit. But, I don't know how to raise awareness without poking some people in the eye a bit.

http://news.atheists.org/2014/03/27/ame ... statement/

Remember when AA was going after the 9/11 cross? Do you remember when Silverman went on O'Reilly to talk about this? Do you remember what meme was started during that interview? "The tides go in, the tides go out". So, to me, backlash is something to consider but don't let it always outweigh potential unforeseen benefits.

And I am speaking to the general you. And more specifically to the atheist butter you. The "I'm an atheist but..." people.

katamari Damassi wrote: They're like Tibetan sandpainted mandalas; beautiful, but ephemeral.

Indeed, the morning sun has hit this little collection of snow angels.

http://i.imgur.com/yKVZutQ.jpg

debaser71 wrote:

John D wrote:For anyone who cares to read it, here is the press release from AA on the Notary issue. I think it is quite good. They are only asking for an apology. What they are getting are lies from Bank Management. As I have said before. This is why I give them money. They do get some media attention. Sometimes they come across as mean and nasty, which may backfire a bit. But, I don't know how to raise awareness without poking some people in the eye a bit.

http://news.atheists.org/2014/03/27/ame ... statement/

Remember when AA was going after the 9/11 cross? Do you remember when Silverman went on O'Reilly to talk about this? Do you remember what meme was started during that interview? "The tides go in, the tides go out". So, to me, backlash is something to consider but don't let it always outweigh potential unforeseen benefits.

And I am speaking to the general you. And more specifically to the atheist butter you. The "I'm an atheist but..." people.

Silverman has been showing up on Fox News quite a bit too. He is on their "religion panel" with a crazy Rabbi and that Catholic nut Donohue. He holds his own with those guys and I think bit by bit he gets a few good points in. Hey, it is better than having no voice of atheism at all. I think Fox is interested in having a somewhat controversial panel, so Silverman gets a seat.

You will never eat hotdogs again. And this video has nothing to do with animal rights etc.
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Dick Strawkins wrote: It's OK when they do it.

Being right all the time, could you imagine how boring life would be?

Kenteken wrote:

Dick Strawkins wrote: It's OK when they do it.

Being right all the time, could you imagine how boring life would be?

Nothing boring about it. The whole world is a patriarchal, sexist, misogynistic, rapey, racist mess. They're the self=appointed defenders of all that is right and decent.
Hmmm, isn't there a word for that? :think:

Morning Pytters, I am just popping in because I thought you all might have something to say about the Retractiongate. And you do!

What a clusterfuck. I don't know who is guilty here, but all I know is one of those two people, and possibly both, is a giant douchebag. There's no reading of the situation where they are both acting in good faith and genuinely mistaken. Someone is a cunt. Human psychology is fascinating, isn't it?

Cunning Punt wrote:Morning Pytters, I am just popping in because I thought you all might have something to say about the Retractiongate. And you do!

What a clusterfuck. I don't know who is guilty here, but all I know is one of those two people, and possibly both, is a giant douchebag. There's no reading of the situation where they are both acting in good faith and genuinely mistaken. Someone is a cunt. Human psychology is fascinating, isn't it?

I still think it is quite possible both parties think they are correct. They entered a personal negotiation phase which broke down. Now they may or may not continue through a civil legal process. It is really interesting to watch.

1) She may really think she was harassed and her employer didn't take appropriate action (or she had too little evidence to prove it)

2) He may think he was having a normal interaction with her and now she is claiming harassment

Once she brought this up publicly he felt he had been wronged and needed to restore his reputation. Once he sued her she was compelled to fight back to maintain her story and prove her honesty. It all makes perfect sense really.

This scenario still fits within the context of the communication we have seen.

John D wrote:

Cunning Punt wrote:Morning Pytters, I am just popping in because I thought you all might have something to say about the Retractiongate. And you do!

What a clusterfuck. I don't know who is guilty here, but all I know is one of those two people, and possibly both, is a giant douchebag. There's no reading of the situation where they are both acting in good faith and genuinely mistaken. Someone is a cunt. Human psychology is fascinating, isn't it?

I still think it is quite possible both parties think they are correct. They entered a personal negotiation phase which broke down. Now they may or may not continue through a civil legal process. It is really interesting to watch.

1) She may really think she was harassed and her employer didn't take appropriate action (or she had too little evidence to prove it)

2) He may think he was having a normal interaction with her and now she is claiming harassment

Once she brought this up publicly he felt he had been wronged and needed to restore his reputation. Once he sued her she was compelled to fight back to maintain her story and prove her honesty. It all makes perfect sense really.

This scenario still fits within the context of the communication we have seen.

My only issue is with the whole "sued into silence" cries from the peanut gallery. Just because libel lawsuits ARE often used to silence unpopular opinions, there's no reason to think this suit was filed in bad faith. I mean, it may have been, there's only one person who knows that for sure. The point is, casting aspersions without evidence is just as shitty and fucked up as filing a lawsuit just to shut someone up. But, you know, PATRIACHY!

I knew Arthur Chu was a hero.