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dogen wrote:
ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
dogen wrote: "Kippers, sir. The men are being overcome by the stench of smoked haddock."
I don't get it, Dog. Google didn't help. And aren't kippers smoked herring, not haddock? BTW, smoked haddock/cod: I loves it.
I was thinking about the consequences of kindling fire near to Karen's 'tree line'. Fnarr fnarr. A silly joke, I admit.

And you're right about kippers. I think I was getting confused with kedgeree, which I highly recommend if you like smoked fish:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kedgeree
Ah, gotcha D! Treeline, nice. Wubyat! Wubyat!

Kedgeree: there is no way I could face the taste or smell of curry first thing in a morning (I believe it's a breakfast dish). Smoked haddock and a poached egg, please.

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Skep tickle wrote:Several people have said KS accused BR of rape. Where do you see this? What I've seen says "sexual harassment" (largely via electronic means) and refers to "sexual assault" at conferences when, as she reports, he "place[d her] in a vulnerable position". Definitions vary by jurisdiction but "sexual assault" isn't the same as "rape".

That's all from this, that claims to be a copy of KS's SciAm post:
I was sexually harassed for four years...

Sometimes we don’t even know how to identify sexual harassment because its methods are changing. Today, sexual harassment is not always as bold, brazen and blatant as the boss who slaps his secretary’s ass. It doesn’t have to involve leering or groping. It happens in a virtual work environment as much as it happens around the water cooler. More people are telecommuting although physical distance doesn’t prevent staff from being targeted by a harasser. Harassment from afar can include sending unwanted communication of a sexual nature, including emails, texts, instant messages, mail, tweets, phone calls, images, Facebook “pokes”, and stalking on networking sites. ...

[claim of quid pro quo re work assignments]

...Then, he saw me at conferences and took every opportunity to place me in a vulnerable position. This is where the psychological abuse turned physical and he sexually assaulted me on several occasions.
Hmm... I used Nevada as an example since that is where TAM occurs and if I am not mistaken, she accused him of sexual assault at conferences (Please correct me if I am wrong).

It appears that Nevada legal definition of sexual assult is what is tradtionally called rape by everyone else.

http://www.leg.state.nv.us/nrs/nrs-200. ... S200Sec366
Nevada State Law wrote: NRS 200.366  Sexual assault: Definition; penalties.
1.  A person who subjects another person to sexual penetration, or who forces another person to make a sexual penetration on himself or herself or another, or on a beast, against the will of the victim or under conditions in which the perpetrator knows or should know that the victim is mentally or physically incapable of resisting or understanding the nature of his or her conduct, is guilty of sexual assault.
2.  Except as otherwise provided in subsections 3 and 4, a person who commits a sexual assault is guilty of a category A felony and shall be punished:
(a) If substantial bodily harm to the victim results from the actions of the defendant committed in connection with or as a part of the sexual assault, by imprisonment in the state prison:
(1) For life without the possibility of parole; or
(2) For life with the possibility of parole, with eligibility for parole beginning when a minimum of 15 years has been served.
(b) If no substantial bodily harm to the victim results, by imprisonment in the state prison for life with the possibility of parole, with eligibility for parole beginning when a minimum of 10 years has been served.
Who knows what the State of Nevada considers an ass slap or nipple twist. Probably falls under some plan old vanilla assault/battery thing equal to a punch or slap.

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Scorch. Burn!

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AndrewV69 wrote:Scorch. Burn!
Feminism is a political movement.
Atheism is a personal position on the existence of deities. That is it. I don't think the two are analogous.

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[quote="JacquesCuze"][/quote]

This sort of vague and varying definition is just ripe for abuse by ideologues. And the people in charge of Domestic Violence policy, punishment and mitigation and (to a lesser but still considerable extent) rape law and law enforcement are getting their training from people pushing these absurd definitions into policy and often, law.

This is how you come up with 9 out of 8 women will be abused in her lifetime. Because if you count slammed doors, yelling, or a grabbed shoulder the same as punching, kicking, shooting, etc, then just about everybody has been abused INCLUDING men.
For years feminists and traditionalist paternalists have been able to get away with claims to this effect while IGNORING men. And thus a woman whose husband of 20 years grabbed her or shoved her or even YELLED at her (all thats required for an initial restraining order is to say you are in fear) could be slotted into the same statistics as a women whose thug boyfriend 'belts her one' every time she looks at him funny. Meanwhile a guy who was being abused to a far greater extent - hit with objects, punched, kicked, whatever- would get little or no help and ran a risk of being charged as the "Primary Aggressor". Now the shoe is just starting to go on the other foot in terms of awareness..I wonder how the feminists and traditionalists are going to handle it. Probably not well.

As for the larger question of serious abuse - imo basically anything that can be considered 'aggravated assault', 'attempted murder', or 'attempted maiming' or the like - I have no doubt the majority of perps are male. That being said, there's alot more of this on the female side than is widely acknowledged because it's hidden behind 'primary aggressor' arrests, 'sports' injuries (girlfriend kicked your ass? Tell your buds or the doc that you got the injuries playing ball), and a huge wall of shame and societal indifference.

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SoylentAtheist wrote:
It appears that Nevada legal definition of sexual assult is what is tradtionally called rape by everyone else.

http://www.leg.state.nv.us/nrs/nrs-200. ... S200Sec366
Nevada State Law wrote: NRS 200.366  Sexual assault: Definition; penalties.
1.  A person who subjects another person to sexual penetration, or who forces another person to make a sexual penetration on himself or herself or another, or on a beast, against the will of the victim or under conditions in which the perpetrator knows or should know that the victim is mentally or physically incapable of resisting or understanding the nature of his or her conduct, is guilty of sexual assault.
2.  Except as otherwise provided in subsections 3 and 4, a person who commits a sexual assault is guilty of a category A felony and shall be punished:
(a) If substantial bodily harm to the victim results from the actions of the defendant committed in connection with or as a part of the sexual assault, by imprisonment in the state prison:
(1) For life without the possibility of parole; or
(2) For life with the possibility of parole, with eligibility for parole beginning when a minimum of 15 years has been served.
(b) If no substantial bodily harm to the victim results, by imprisonment in the state prison for life with the possibility of parole, with eligibility for parole beginning when a minimum of 10 years has been served.
Who knows what the State of Nevada considers an ass slap or nipple twist. Probably falls under some plan old vanilla assault/battery thing equal to a punch or slap.
In Nevada, that is known as a flirtation of greetings.

Several lawyer websites say an ass slap or nipple twist would be filed under "open or gross lewdness"

http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-201.html

http://i.imgur.com/GbCytCX.jpg
http://www.las-vegas-criminal-defense-b ... _lewdness/
http://i.imgur.com/VY2AS9G.jpg

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Spike13 wrote:Do you think that retraction letter was a fake? Are you a birther as well? Was 911 an “inside job”?

PZ:Yeah, they went there, claiming that rejecting the 'apology' was equivalent to being a conspiracy nut and denialist. Of course, I was sitting here with inside information — I knew that Stollznow hadn't signed it.

Spike: First off, it was a retraction, not an apology.

PZ :Guess what, annoying troll? The retraction letter was a fake. Stollznow had nothing to do with it.

Spike: A fake? Her husband all but assured it was a done deal.He worked on it with Radford was he lying? Was he dealing unknown behind her back?
Just a "heads up" Spike: all you need to do to quote something is to copy your text into the reply box, select it all, and hit the "quote" button in the menu; the program puts the quotes on either side. Like this:
Spike: First off, it was a retraction, not an apology.

PZ :Guess what, annoying troll? The retraction letter was a fake. Stollznow had nothing to do with it.
Editing the result to show who said what is a welcome touch. And it kind of helps if you include the link, and it is periodically a good idea to take a screen shot, at least with many "Freethought" blogs.

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another lurker wrote:@Clarence

I am talking about the sequel, which was terrible. The original was great. The beefcake was not at all enjoyable because everything just felt *wrong*. it was very snuff pr0n as well.
Oh, sorry for the mistake.
I've heard bad things about the sequel to the extent that I'm probably not even going to watch it on netflix, or rent it from Redbox. When you say '300' I still think the original, which I've seen 3 times and rather fondly remember.

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PZ:But…the letter wasn't signed and notarized. That comment from Stoker has since been curiously memory-holed. I don't think I'll trust her at all — but that's OK, I've still got Carrie Poppy.

(Comment in italics)Are you going to apologize to Ben Radford now, PZ? You witch hunting moron. Always believe the accuser, right? Hahahaha.

PZ:No.

PZ:There's a lot more, but it gets old fast, and I think my point is made. These loons were just making stuff up and were utterly convinced by a ginned-up, unsigned document. Skeptics. Yeah, right.


Stoker just had a personal visit from Radford where more than likely he assured her that the retraction was a done deal. She wasn't necessarily lying, Radford may have misled her or she misunderstood what he had told her. An error not a proven lie.
Who made up what PZ? The document was a joint effort between Radford and your heros husband. Did he go behind her back, without her knowledge or permission? Makes her claims of ignorance ring a bit hollow.
Skeptics... Yes , we look at the information provided and attempt to draw a conclusion.
You on the other hand,blindly believe whatever you are told even when the evidence goes against what they claim.
The only point you have is on the top of your head.

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dogen wrote:
ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
dogen wrote: "Kippers, sir. The men are being overcome by the stench of smoked haddock."
I don't get it, Dog. Google didn't help. And aren't kippers smoked herring, not haddock? BTW, smoked haddock/cod: I loves it.

My thought map today has wandered so:

KarenS >> Tet Offensive >> Full Metal Jacket >> Vietnam War >> napalm >> apocalypse now >> 'tree line' (ambushes) >> bikini line >> burnt fish >> giggle.

Then Nazis intruded and messed it all up. :cry:

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SoylentAtheist wrote:
AndrewV69 wrote:Scorch. Burn!
Feminism is a political movement.
Atheism is a personal position on the existence of deities. That is it. I don't think the two are analogous.
Uh, no. Atheism is obviously the disbelief in god combined with far-left politics and extreme self-righteousness.

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Thanks Steersman.

I hope to get the hang of not being an annoyance with how I post.
The PZ quotes were from his latest post.
I added my own attempt at rebuttal under each point. I realize looking at it that it could seem as if this were an actual conversation between PZ and myself which it wasn't.

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Spike13: If you don't see the menu of buttons for bold, italics, underline, quotes, etc., then check the "Display BBCodes" box to the right.

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Guestus Aurelius wrote:Spike13: If you don't see the menu of buttons for bold, italics, underline, quotes, etc., then check the "Display BBCodes" box to the right.
The edit button is easier to find & use for approved members.

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Test..test
But…the letter wasn't signed and notarized. That comment from Stoker has since been curiously memory-holed. I don't think I'll trust her at all — but that's OK, I've still got Carrie Poppy
Are you going to apologize to Ben Radford now, PZ? You witch hunting moron. Always believe the accuser, right? Hahahaha.
No.
There's a lot more, but it gets old fast, and I think my point is made. These loons were just making stuff up and were utterly convinced by a ginned-up, unsigned document. Skeptics. Yeah, right.
Thanks folks! Yeah, that would have made my previous posts much cleaner and clearer.
Now lsouma is going to kick me in the ass again.

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Spike13 wrote:Thanks folks! Yeah, that would have made my previous posts much cleaner and clearer.
Now lsouma is going to kick me in the ass again.
Just get your haircut and you will be fine.

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Just get your haircut and you will be fine.
Yipes, I shave my head....I guess I could draw it on with a sharpie.

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Clarence wrote:What a mess that Stollznow/Radford thing has turned into!

Drama, drama, drama.
The real winner in all of this is the popcorn industry. :popcorn:
If you believe in justice and in protecting victims who are bullied into silence, please dig deep and help support this legal fund.
Wouldn't this hypothetical believer in justice still be waiting on the evidence (that both sides claim to have) and on proper legal proceedings? Until that point, how can they know which person is the victim, i.e. which side to support with funds?

If you believe in justice, surely you'll want both sides to be properly represented and you wouldn't be leaping to any conclusions.

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Spike13 wrote:Test..test
<snip?

Thanks folks! Yeah, that would have made my previous posts much cleaner and clearer.
Now lsouma is going to kick me in the ass again.
Don't worry about him. From the StealNuts Pledge thing:
Lsuoma
4 hours ago $20
Hee Hee...someone funny.

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I'm deeply ashamed for my field that Stollznow has a PhD in it. Then again, there are so many kooks in this field that it was inevitable one would turn up to intersectionalize atheism and foul it up.

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Plonk wrote:
Clarence wrote:What a mess that Stollznow/Radford thing has turned into!

Drama, drama, drama.
The real winner in all of this is the popcorn industry. :popcorn:
If you believe in justice and in protecting victims who are bullied into silence, please dig deep and help support this legal fund.
Wouldn't this hypothetical believer in justice still be waiting on the evidence (that both sides claim to have) and on proper legal proceedings? Until that point, how can they know which person is the victim, i.e. which side to support with funds?

If you believe in justice, surely you'll want both sides to be properly represented and you wouldn't be leaping to any conclusions.
They already have all the proof that they need. Someone they like has accused someone they don't like of 3rd degree creepiness and aggravated sleeze.
Believe the victim...except when it's PZ ...oh wait when it's him being accused,HE's the victim.

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ROBOKiTTY wrote:I'm deeply ashamed for my field that Stollznow has a PhD in it. Then again, there are so many kooks in this field that it was inevitable one would turn up to intersectionalize atheism and foul it up.
True, but your field does have Noam Chomsky. So that should balance it out.
Linguistics correct?
And of course your high exalted Kittiness as well.

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Hi Gang!

Sure has been a busy day!

So, I had a phone interview for a really great job today and it went really well!
They're flying me out next month to interview in person.
Of course, it'd mean uprooting my whole life (again) but, hey, gotta pay the bills, right?

Boy, I sure do wish there was some way I could rake in tens of thousands of dollars for doing fuck-all.

So, anyway, did I miss anything?

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Peezus wrote:Of course, I was sitting here with inside information
http://imgur.com/FiXOBUH.jpg

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ROBOKiTTY wrote:I'm deeply ashamed for my field that Stollznow has a PhD in it. Then again, there are so many kooks in this field that it was inevitable one would turn up to intersectionalize atheism and foul it up.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't recall hearing that much from Karen Stollznow about intersectional atheism. She has a huge beef with her last lover which she is playing out on the internet, but I view that very differently from some gender feminist advocate. I see her as simply using the existing atmosphere & culture to her advantage.

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Spike13 wrote:
ROBOKiTTY wrote:I'm deeply ashamed for my field that Stollznow has a PhD in it. Then again, there are so many kooks in this field that it was inevitable one would turn up to intersectionalize atheism and foul it up.
True, but your field does have Noam Chomsky. So that should balance it out.
Linguistics correct?
And of course your high exalted Kittiness as well.
Chompsky is definitely still a controversial figure in linguistics these days, though few would deny his positive influence on the field, especially in North America.

I'm not a syntactician or computational linguist, so I can't say much about his other contributions, but support for Universal Grammar has definitely waned in theoretical linguistics.

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SoylentAtheist wrote:
ROBOKiTTY wrote:I'm deeply ashamed for my field that Stollznow has a PhD in it. Then again, there are so many kooks in this field that it was inevitable one would turn up to intersectionalize atheism and foul it up.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't recall hearing that much from Karen Stollznow about intersectional atheism. She has a huge beef with her last lover which she is playing out on the internet, but I view that very differently from some gender feminist advocate. I see her as simply using the existing atmosphere & culture to her advantage.
I used the word 'intersectionalize' in an ironic sense, referring to the nonexistent 'intersection' between linguistics and atheism. I have no idea what her position on identity politics is and really cannot be bothered to find out.

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Spike13 wrote:Thanks Steersman.

I hope to get the hang of not being an annoyance with how I post.
The PZ quotes were from his latest post.
I added my own attempt at rebuttal under each point. I realize looking at it that it could seem as if this were an actual conversation between PZ and myself which it wasn't.
No problemo – gives me a chance to exercise my inner grammar-nazi .... ;-)

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ROBOKiTTY wrote:I'm deeply ashamed for my field that Stollznow has a PhD in it. Then again, there are so many kooks in this field that it was inevitable one would turn up to intersectionalize atheism and foul it up.
Reminds me of a comedy routine by, I think, one “Reginald D. Hunter”, the video of which Andrew posted sometime back, who is a black guy from Georgia. And he’s talking on a stage in London of hearing on the six o’clock news in Georgia “Robbery and shooting at local bank; details at 11”. And he goes, “Please god, don’t let it be a black guy!” Sort of an amusing aspect or portrayal of “identity politics” – natural to identify with or have greater empathy with those who share similar attributes.

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Is it just my overworked brains or has that edit button under everyone's avatar always been there?

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Dave wrote:Anything that happens in settlement negotiations is absolutely inadmissible at trial. I would go further and say that unless the judge requested that a settlement negotiation occur, the judge will only be annoyed if this type of drama is brought up. Oh, and the judge will be annoyed at whoever it is that brings this non-issue to the judge's attention. So whether intentionally or not, Radford was played - hard. And there's not a damn thing he can do about it.
DeepInsideYourMind wrote: Bunkum ... *anything* that happens can be brought up as evidence ...
Sure. Thats why I have a 500 page book sitting on my desk right now detailing what can and cannot be offered as evidence in Federal Court, theres another 1000 page book on the bookshelf behind me.
"Here's our discussions in which she admits she made it up"

"Here is her partner agreeing that Karen has agreed this"
Completely inadmissible. In Federal Court, this is covered under FRE 408. Every jurisdiction in the US has a similar rule. Settlement offers or other offers to compromise are non-admissible.
"Here are her twitter comments where she changes her mind"
Those might be admissible, but she doesnt admit anything on twitter. At best, they are evidence that she has changed her mind, but shes allowed to change her mind about settling.
Nothing in pre-trial negotiations is confidential
Its not confidential if the parties havent agreed before hand that it is, but it is still not admissible. Admissible and confidential are two very separate things.
Thanks for clarifying that, Dave. iirc, settlement negotiations are made inadmissible to avoid discouraging out-of court settlements, no?

It's easy to conflate what goes on in a court of law, with how this will play out in the (TW: cliche) 'court of public opinion.' ...
I wanted to second the thanks to Dave for the legal info on settlement negotiations. Interesting.

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ROBOKiTTY wrote:Is it just my overworked brains or has that edit button under everyone's avatar always been there?
No wonder you haven't corrected your many mistakes ... ;-)

But yea, more or less - that it hasn't worked though from square one has been the source of some humour and periodic comments ....

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ROBOKiTTY wrote:Is it just my overworked brains or has that edit button under everyone's avatar always been there?
It's a new feature. Lusma agreed to give us edit buttons if we agreed to get our hair cut like him. The discussion was posted about a dozen or so pages back.

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ROBOKiTTY wrote:Is it just my overworked brains or has that edit button under everyone's avatar always been there?
Yeah. Doesn't yours work? Mine works great (most of the time). If the moderators don't like you, sometimes they turn it off for a while, just to mess with your head.

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What state did he file in?

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SoylentAtheist wrote:What state did he file in?
New Mexico.

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starting here: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightat ... -chickens/
Adam Lee, at Daylight Atheism, in a comment at his post on counting chickens wrote:Although it doesn't define the activity in question as a felony, it does seem that New Mexico, where Radford's lawsuit was filed, has an anti-SLAPP law. That could make the outcome of this case quite interesting.
IANAL and all but, I don't see that anti-SLAPP applies at all in the KS/BR case.

Here's the page Lee links to: http://www.legal-project.org/149/anti-s ... s-by-state

This one explains it a little better, IMO: http://www.anti-slapp.org/your-states-f ... tection/#N and says, under New Mexico:
N.M. STAT. §§ 38-2-9.1 – 38-2-9.2 (2001)
Statements in connection with a public hearing or public meeting in a quasi-judicial proceeding before a tribunal or decision-making body of the state or a subdivision of the state are protected.
I looked at New Mexico's anti-SLAPP law by going here then searching 38-2-9.1 ("Special motion to dismiss unwarranted or specious lawsuits; procedures; sanctions; severability") and 38-2-9.2 (Findings and purpose).

There's nothing in the KS/BR case that seems to fit this:
Any action seeking money damages against a person for conduct or speech undertaken or made in connection with a public hearing or public meeting in a quasi-judicial proceeding before a tribunal or decision-making body of any political subdivision of the state is subject to a special motion to dismiss, motion for judgment on the pleadings, or motion for summary judgment that shall be considered by the court on a priority or expedited basis to ensure the early consideration of the issues raised by the motion and to prevent the unnecessary expense of litigation.
and in fact this seems more applicable:
Nothing in this section limits or prohibits the exercise of a right or remedy of a party granted pursuant to another constitutional, statutory, common law or administrative provision, including civil actions for defamation or malicious abuse of process.
Popehat's explanation of anti-SLAPP: http://www.popehat.com/2012/06/07/why-y ... -slapping/

So, again prefacing with AFAICT/IANAL, I think Lee's excitement over anti-SLAPP is misplaced in this case.

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6 hour 15 minute drive from Denver CO to Albuquerque NM. That is going to suck.

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Is there any way we can get Sally Struthers to make the fund raising campaign for Karen?

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Aneris wrote:http://i.imgur.com/Jzd8X3Q.png

http://wallpapers5.com/images/wallpaper ... ermany.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/i4XBBO3.png

I'm looking forward to summer, because rape is everywhere and I like to ride the bike along the yellow fields.
Rape is terrible and no joking matter!
It makes awful honey and can starve the hive as it crystalises in the honeycomb.
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Brive1987 wrote:Ashley F. Miller: dragon slayer.

http://i.imgur.com/bmxHDLS.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/MgLmLjC.jpg
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More like this, since they are essentially Stollznow's cup-bearers and shield maidens.

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SoylentAtheist wrote:
Guestus Aurelius wrote:Spike13: If you don't see the menu of buttons for bold, italics, underline, quotes, etc., then check the "Display BBCodes" box to the right.
The edit button is easier to find & use for approved members.
Only for those of us with access to the back-channel though. Where we whisper sweet nothings to each other and bitch about the rest of you patriarchal rapey types.

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SoylentAtheist wrote:6 hour 15 minute drive from Denver CO to Albuquerque NM. That is going to suck.
I can imagine about hour five of the drive:

Baxter: Oh yeah this is soooo much better than signing the retraction...
Stollznow: zzzzzzzzzzzz-burp-snort,snort-zzzzzzzzzz....
Baxter: Privleged bitch....(locks up brakes) Stollznow bounces off dashboard.
Stollznow:ouch! Shit! Whatthefuck!...
Baxter: Deer,yeah I had to avoid a deer...heh,heh,heh

Who are we kidding, what's a 30,000 dollar legal slush fund for if not 1st. Class airline tickets and five star accommodations.

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I don't recall Karen mentioning the sending of mixed messages in her article?

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ROBOKiTTY wrote:
Spike13 wrote:
ROBOKiTTY wrote:I'm deeply ashamed for my field that Stollznow has a PhD in it. Then again, there are so many kooks in this field that it was inevitable one would turn up to intersectionalize atheism and foul it up.
True, but your field does have Noam Chomsky. So that should balance it out.
Linguistics correct?
And of course your high exalted Kittiness as well.
Chompsky is definitely still a controversial figure in linguistics these days, though few would deny his positive influence on the field, especially in North America.

I'm not a syntactician or computational linguist, so I can't say much about his other contributions, but support for Universal Grammar has definitely waned in theoretical linguistics.
Iirc one of Chomsky's biggest contributions to linguistics was promoting immersive teaching methods in ESL (English as a second language.) This impression may be coloured by the fact that that was where I first became aware of him. His political commentary on the other hand has left me feeling more than a little 'meh.'

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Dick Strawkins wrote:
Gumby wrote:Oh crap I remember that now. Some of the Twitter-PTSD SJW crowd set up some sort of chatroom or backchannel so they could sob about how people (not just pitters ) were meanies to them. EllenBeth went there for 'support' and was promptly attacked by the others for some supposed infraction. This is when EllenBeth first realized that hey, the opponents of these perpetually butthurt morons just might have a point. Dick "I don't memorize the internet, I AM the internet" Strawkins might have some links. EllenBeth discusses it at length in her "my cats are my gods" blog.
Her blog posts around that time are probably the best sources.

http://mycatsaremygods.com/2013/06/16/i ... lar-woman/
Oh dear! i have to say, for all that Steers can be a bore here (although I value his inputs greatly), he slays the shit out of FTB bullshitters in other venues. Much respect.

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Midnight Marauder is making a lonely foray onto the chill battlefield tonight. Full marks for a dogged rear guard action on this fell day.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... /#comments


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I've been thinking about the further repercussions of this case.

The entire situation stemmed out of Stollznow's reaction to an independent investigation of her complaints to CFI about Radford's behavior.
We don't have access to the report of this investigation but reading between the lines I think the gist of it is that Stollznow complained about numerous things that Radford supposedely done, some minor and some major (multiple incidents of sexual assault.)
The investigation appears to have found Radford guilty of only some minor offenses but cleared him of the major offenses.
I'm guessing that this was the case since he only got a relatively minor penalty from CFI - probably for the 'standing in front of her misunderstanding' that was mentioned in the 'retraction' statement.
If he was found guilty of sexual assault I cannot see the CFI having anything to do with him again, especially in the current atmosphere. Besides, Ron Lindsay is hardly a hero of the SJWs and I cannot imagine him getting away with failing to deal with an employee who has committed multiple sexual assaults.
In addition, the way that Stollznow describes the CFI investigation seems designed to imply that it was an investigation of a single action and Radford was found guilty - rather than an investigation of multiple actions and the serious charges failed to stick.

So, the wider repercussions?
I think that if Stollznow succeeds, either by proving in court that Radford did sexually assault her, or by building up enough cash reserves that they can drag the case on long enough to starve Radford of funds to continue, the effect on the CFI will be equivalent.
It will appear that CFI failed in their investigation and thus allowed an employee to suffer multiple instances of sexual assault by another employee who was not adequately punished for these crimes.
Lindsay, and probably a lot of others, will not be able to continue in such a situation.
In fact I would wonder whether the organization as a whole could continue - consider the effect on voluntary donations and the likely fallout within its ranks of pro and anti Radford supporters.

I also think the JREF, and in particular DJ Grothe will be in trouble, for allowing sexual assaults to occur on their watch at TAM.

:popcorn:

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Brive1987 wrote:I don't recall Karen mentioning the sending of mixed messages in her article?

http://i.imgur.com/obLhDBq.jpg
So pz myers was offered evidence and he refused to even look at it; thus he may safely stick to his conclusions and assumptions without any of the icky thought-process going on. He certainly has left the skeptic community.

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Dick Strawkins wrote:
Gumby wrote:Oh crap I remember that now. Some of the Twitter-PTSD SJW crowd set up some sort of chatroom or backchannel so they could sob about how people (not just pitters ) were meanies to them. EllenBeth went there for 'support' and was promptly attacked by the others for some supposed infraction. This is when EllenBeth first realized that hey, the opponents of these perpetually butthurt morons just might have a point. Dick "I don't memorize the internet, I AM the internet" Strawkins might have some links. EllenBeth discusses it at length in her "my cats are my gods" blog.
Her blog posts around that time are probably the best sources.

http://mycatsaremygods.com/2013/06/16/i ... lar-woman/
Oh dear! i have to say, for all that Steers can be a bore here (although I value his inputs greatly), he slays the shit out of FTB bullshitters in other venues. Much respect.
Thanks Phil – most appreciated; “accentuate the positive and eliminate the negative” – and all that. :-)

[time to call it a day though; night all]

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[quote="Brive1987"]Midnight Marauder is making a lonely foray onto the chill battlefield tonight. Full marks for a dogged rear guard action on this fell day.

Shitting in PZ's living room and then wiping his ass on the drapes....brilliant.
I like to picture PZ with bucket and scrub brush removing the offending entry's .
If Pariahgula is now " a party he would wish to attend" perhaps he shouldn't pass out so early.
PS PZ he second storied the toilet too.

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I reckon the plan will play out.

Radford will calculate spending 30k of his money vs Karen spending 30k of SEM and will do a Shermer - drop the case and claim the whole sneaky environment was not conducive to justice being done and the stink was harming the movement.

Karen isn't actually counter suing so she will just go away from a legal perspective.

The entire man bashing thing will have a poster girl who now owes the SJL - so that will get a shot in the arm.

Redford will probably find a new opportunity and leave CFI.

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As will Radford ... Probably to chase Streeps skirt.

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Dick Strawkins wrote:I've been thinking about the further repercussions of this case.

The entire situation stemmed out of Stollznow's reaction to an independent investigation of her complaints to CFI about Radford's behavior.
We don't have access to the report of this investigation but reading between the lines I think the gist of it is that Stollznow complained about numerous things that Radford supposedely done, some minor and some major (multiple incidents of sexual assault.)
The investigation appears to have found Radford guilty of only some minor offenses but cleared him of the major offenses.
I'm guessing that this was the case since he only got a relatively minor penalty from CFI - probably for the 'standing in front of her misunderstanding' that was mentioned in the 'retraction' statement.
If he was found guilty of sexual assault I cannot see the CFI having anything to do with him again, especially in the current atmosphere. Besides, Ron Lindsay is hardly a hero of the SJWs and I cannot imagine him getting away with failing to deal with an employee who has committed multiple sexual assaults.
In addition, the way that Stollznow describes the CFI investigation seems designed to imply that it was an investigation of a single action and Radford was found guilty - rather than an investigation of multiple actions and the serious charges failed to stick.

So, the wider repercussions?
I think that if Stollznow succeeds, either by proving in court that Radford did sexually assault her, or by building up enough cash reserves that they can drag the case on long enough to starve Radford of funds to continue, the effect on the CFI will be equivalent.
It will appear that CFI failed in their investigation and thus allowed an employee to suffer multiple instances of sexual assault by another employee who was not adequately punished for these crimes.
Lindsay, and probably a lot of others, will not be able to continue in such a situation.
In fact I would wonder whether the organization as a whole could continue - consider the effect on voluntary donations and the likely fallout within its ranks of pro and anti Radford supporters.

I also think the JREF, and in particular DJ Grothe will be in trouble, for allowing sexual assaults to occur on their watch at TAM.

:popcorn:
Now that you mention it. The Women in Secularism event should be a riot. Especially since CFI is the employer and Karen S. has all of these women unequivocally stating that they believe her. Last year Ron Lindsay made the mistake of opening his mouth & not agreeing with all of them 100%. This year, his fatal mistake may be evening daring to set foot in the door.

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Just a quick diversion.
There's a new SJW twitter-storm a brewin'

It's over the following segment of the Colbert show

Skip to 4 mins 45 seconds:
http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/b ... 2814_cn_43

Twitter-storm:

https://twitter.com/cheuya/status/449338968614895617

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I also think the JREF, and in particular DJ Grothe will be in trouble, for allowing sexual assaults to occur on their watch at TAM.
They pretty much hate Grothe to begin with don't they?
I would imagine since the larger pain in the asses have abandoned TAM already their effect should be minimal.
As long as Randi is still the standard bearer, the JREF should be fine. When he does pass( hopefully many,many years from now) Many of the more popular draws will still do TAM out of loyaly and memory of him.

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Lumpectomy and 6 weeks daily radiation Rx has me away from the Pit for a bit..Mum has just had a lobectomy and I get to be her driver for her 6 weeks of radiation... I will never catch up...

but reading the Pit does provide a bit of comic relief at the end of the day..well, OK ..the Pit + 2 oxy's + soma + a few benzo's does the trick...

a bit off topic...Mum is considering the medical marijuana route in combination with conventional Rx. Can anyone provide links to show evidence that it might help her control any potential side effects...Her doctor insists that there is no credible scientific studies showing that it will help her in any way with any of her potential side effects...

Send links privately..don't want to derail... In summary for me:

I think one of Parody's shops gave me PTSD..
I know I wanted to comment on Skeptickles abortions posts..don't have the energy.
Radford was a fool...but by telling him to release it early if he was confident nothing could go wrong gave them...

nevermind..I'm too tired to keep up my train of thought to discuss it...and I've still got about 20 pages left to catch up on!

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Spike13 wrote:
I also think the JREF, and in particular DJ Grothe will be in trouble, for allowing sexual assaults to occur on their watch at TAM.
They pretty much hate Grothe to begin with don't they?
I would imagine since the larger pain in the asses have abandoned TAM already their effect should be minimal.
As long as Randi is still the standard bearer, the JREF should be fine. When he does pass( hopefully many,many years from now) Many of the more popular draws will still do TAM out of loyaly and memory of him.
TAM made the smarter of all possible moves. They bit the bullet early. Now their damage was short, sweet and they can continue to grow. Where as CFI tried to play their game and it keeps on grinding them down more & more. Had Ron Lindsey bit the bullet at the first Women in Secularism conference, he would have been far better off.

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mary (abbie's ilk) wrote:Lumpectomy and 6 weeks daily radiation Rx has me away from the Pit for a bit..Mum has just had a lobectomy and I get to be her driver for her 6 weeks of radiation... I will never catch up...

but reading the Pit does provide a bit of comic relief at the end of the day..well, OK ..the Pit + 2 oxy's + soma + a few benzo's does the trick...

a bit off topic...Mum is considering the medical marijuana route in combination with conventional Rx. Can anyone provide links to show evidence that it might help her control any potential side effects...Her doctor insists that there is no credible scientific studies showing that it will help her in any way with any of her potential side effects...

Send links privately..don't want to derail... In summary for me:

I think one of Parody's shops gave me PTSD..
I know I wanted to comment on Skeptickles abortions posts..don't have the energy.
Radford was a fool...but by telling him to release it early if he was confident nothing could go wrong gave them...

nevermind..I'm too tired to keep up my train of thought to discuss it...and I've still got about 20 pages left to catch up on!
OK, you're excused.

Seriously, it sounds like your going through a bit of a nightmare. Best wishes and I hope you and your mum will be alright.

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