Mykeru, what a Cnut, eh? Discuss.

[Dick Strawkins]

That's my impression too.
Stalin shifted huge numbers of Russians into all the Soviet member states and the indigenous population, once they gained power, have tried to redress things by trying to remove rights and support for this segment of their population. At this stage the russian speakers are usually first or second generation and have nowhere to 'return' to. They are stuck in countries that do not want them and that try to make things as difficult as possible by, for example, removing support for the russian language in schools - a policy that seems to have been one of the first things that the new Ukrainian leadership did once they took over the country.

Link please. Also similar links to such anti-russophone policies in former soviet "republics".

There's some mention of it here:
http://www.ipsnews.net/2011/03/baltic-s ... inorities/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_i ... tic_states

For example the ethnically russian segment of the population of Lavia (something like 14% of the is denied citizenshentire population) is denied citizenship and cannot vote and is ineligible for most employment.

[Brive1987]

Are you seriously saying that Russia needs more territory? That map you posted just happens to miss about, oh, I dunno, 4/5ths of the rest of fucking Russia. But sure, po' lil Russia is just afwaid of big bad western bully. And their need for a buffer being obvious is, what exactly? The impending invasion of the evil nazi zionist controlled EU? This is literally EXACTLY like Hitler's takeover of the Sudetenland, right down to the ethnic irredentism and the blatant cowardice and fear of confrontation.

Try placing the current world into its immediate past history context. Draw the borders of Russia in 1914. Consider the course of WW1, the allied redrawing of the map in 1919, western Intervention and then the Nazi invasion. Consider the western ambivalence towards Russia starting with the whole warm water port thing and ending with the demand that West Germany rearm. That history has demonstrated that the Warsaw Pact was not what it was painted to be, a juggernaut aimed at Brest. Stop ignoring all this in favour of trying to draw simplistic parallels between Putin and Hitler - who sprang from his own very specific historical pond.

The benign naive "intent" of the West won't matter shit when we push Russia too hard and too far for no valid reason. And this time we may not get to ponder the nature of our mistake and hubris .....

And as an aside, only homogenous nations or rich nations can really make the US of A vision of 'objective' democracy (ie one that can be imposed outside of natural cultural evolution) work. There is no way Russia is ever going to operate outside some form of Tsarish, centralised 'fascist' government. But better that then a swath of failed nation states stretching across the northern hemisphere. So let's put ideological smugness aside. Self determination for minorities was a failure in post 14 Point Europe and will be today. Because it ignores the inconvenient reality of power politics. Just ask the South how it worked out for them in the 1860s. (Pity they couldn't get England to send troops to help ......)

Fuck the Ukrainians and their hopeless, clumsy, misplaced idealism. If they can't make it work within the necessary context then tough.

[James Caruthers]

Here I am, hoping that Russia vs. Ukraine is the next Israel vs. Palestine!

It's worse than that. Here's picture of Putin just before he authorised the whole thing. He's not only a fascist.


http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/8895/1h2a.png

I knew there was some reason I liked Putin so much.

I bet he uses a screwdriver to hammer in nails, too.

[Mykeru]

Anyway, just some clichéd and stereotypey random whitters from me for today on the wholly culturally created experience of recreational sex in the modern world between imaginary dimorphic sexes.

Do what I do:

Just give up on the idea. Buy new furniture. Shop on eBay for vintage doilys so it doesn't get scratched up. While listening to Ragtime.

doily.JPG

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Better than sex.

[James Caruthers]

MLA is for girlie men. :shifty:

It is, but that's one tutu I'm happy to put on. MLA is some fucking easy-ass shit. There's a reason people use it and like it.

[Brive1987]

tl/dr

Start at 1812. Just when, exactly, wasn't the West trying to contain and constrain Russia?

[Dan]

For those of you still debating HJ the John/Joan case might be worth bringing up http://www.healthyplace.com/gender/insi ... john-joan/

[youtube]_GqQhsyUZ8g[/youtube]

That article is long but very good.
There is, however, a rather sad conclusion to the story:

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_an ... r_gap.html

It's a sad ending to a story about the belief that "gender is a social construct" is applied to reality.

[Steersman]

Apropos of nothing in particular, I present my thoughts on sex 2014 -- the activity, not the world famous Hornbeck Method.

Keep in mind, if you read this, that it comes from an almost 60-year old guy. I have absolutely no knowledge whatsoever about how teens and 20-somethings experience sex these days -- don't much care either, actually.

Interesting; I can sympathize: “Been searching over land and sea. To find the answer to the bird and bee. But now that I’m 93, I don’t give a damn, you see”. [/cultural appropriation (Belafonte)]

But also the source of some amusement that there are some significant pheno-typical “dimorphisms” associated with at least two of the more populated genotypes. Pinker again:

But of course the minds of men and women are not identical, and recent reviews of sex differences have converged on some reliable differences. Sometimes the differences are large, with only slight overlap in the bell curves. Men have a much stronger taste for no-strings sex with multiple or anonymous partners, as we see in the almost all-male consumer base for prostitution and visual pornography. Men are far more likely to compete violently, sometimes lethally, with one another over stakes great and small (as in the recent case of a surgeon and an anesthesiologist who came to blows in the operating room while a patient lay on the table waiting to have her gall bladder removed). [Maybe they were fighting over her gall bladder?] Among children, boys spend far more time practicing for violent conflict in the form of what psychologists genteelly call "rough-and-tumble play". The ability to manipulate three-dimensional objects and space in the mind also shows a large difference in favor of men.

[Skep tickle]

<snip>
Couple of abstracts (none w/ freely accessible papers, sorry) about fertility in a couple of conditions w/ abnormalities of chromosomes:
Phenotypic differences in mosaic Klinefelter patients as compared with non-mosaic Klinefelter patients
And, Fertility in Klinefelter syndrome (focuses on treatment)
Procreation in Turner's syndrome

Thanks for your feedback there Skep tickle – likely to correct some of the errors in my understanding .... ;-)

However, while I haven’t had the time to follow all of the links you provided and the follow-on ones, I’m wondering whether at least some of the cases you described – for instance, “the gonads genetically distinct from most of the rest of the body” – might reasonably be characterized as another segment of the spectrum of phenotypes that are typically or periodically associated with specific and limited genotypes. In passing it seems appropriate to talk of phenotypes as "typical" - pheno-typical? - as there seems no element of a typical "male" or "female" phenotype that can't be found associated with the non-typical genotype.

But that still doesn’t seem to address the question of whether combinations of gametes other than X-X and X-Y – arguably the definition of sex and sexual reproduction – are possible and viable. For instance, there are various animal hybrids – ligers, and mules (63 chromosomes being “a mixture of the horse’s 64 and the donkey’s 62”), for examples – some combinations of which are sterile. So, by that token, assuming that any of those other human genotypes are viable and non-sterile, one is sort of forced to argue or concede that they are either other sexes or entirely different species.

1) Combinations of gametes other than 46XX & 46XY are possible & viable - people with Turner's (45XO) and Klinefelter's (47XXY) are conceived, born, & live into adulthood.
2) People with karyotypes other than 46XX & 46XY are likely to be infertile, but sometimes can procreate. That's what the links at the end of my post above describe. Sometimes the person has a mosaic condition (not all of the person is 45XO or 47XXY) but sometimes he/she doesn't.
3) AFAIK, child(ren) successfully born of parents whose karyotype is abnormal, are quite likely to have a normal karyotype, because (a) in meiosis half of the gametes formed from 45XO or 47XXY will have the normal/correct number of chromosomes, and (b) aneuploidy (abnormal # of chromosomes) in the zygote/embryo is more likely to lead to miscarriage than normal karyotype is.
But I have not seen data on the actual outcomes of such procreation, only case reports.

[Steersman]

Here I am, hoping that Russia vs. Ukraine is the next Israel vs. Palestine!

It's worse than that. Here's picture of Putin just before he authorised the whole thing. He's not only a fascist.
http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/8895/1h2a.png

I knew there was some reason I liked Putin so much.

I bet he uses a screwdriver to hammer in nails, too.

If not his open palm as a Youtube video posted here illustrated and as, I think, Welch and John D. "discussed" in some detail ....

[JacquesCuze]

sex and lack thereof for the older not especially handsome, not especially well off, single male

I mostly agree and am in the same boat.

Craigslist is indicative of "economic" behavior on the Kinsey heterosexual-homosexual scale.

I have this crackpot theory that Craigslist shows the interaction of "sexual attraction theory" along with economic "supply and demand" theory. And it shows it in just the way you describe, the impossible standards of the ads from women.

The problem is the sample of women posting on CL is very skewed, but it is stunning the sheer amount of women who describe themselves in very unflattering ways: obese, smoking, many kids, unemployed, alcoholic who think it is reasonable (and it probably is on a free dating site) to demand characteristics from men that would put Hugh Jackman to shame, much less your average bloke.

Similarly, I have an additional crackpot theory that wonders if our society had so much homophobia baked into it, because if "free men" were told at an early age gay behaviors were tolerable or even "good", than gay sex would be seen by many more men as a substitute good (and far less costly!) than heterosexual sex.

And I wonder if Craigslist and OkC demonstrate that as well, especially since I've read that on OkC and other sites, it is quite common for "straight" men to explore gay sex surreptitiously. (Did I read that at the pit?)

Also something about submarines and prisons.

[piginthecity]

We don't want to fight ... but By Jingo ! if we do ..
We've got the men*, we've got the ships**, we've got the money too !
We've fought the Bear before, and while Britons*** still are true ..
The Russians Shall Not Have Constantinople !


( *American Men, **American Ships, *** please insert 'and Americans')

[Brive1987]

Final thought bubble before work.

What if Russia's primary goal, since 1945, had always been "keeping it together" from internal and external threat and pressure. The place is a huge barely controllable mess.

Ie they weren't a Nazi analog.

That would make 'us' look pretty fucking stupid.

[Steersman]

MLA is for girlie men. :shifty:

It is, but that's one tutu I'm happy to put on. MLA is some fucking easy-ass shit. There's a reason people use it and like it.

What is "MLA"? Modern Language Association style of writing? Member of Legislative Assembly?

[Dornier Pfeil]

tl/dr

Start at 1812. Just when, exactly, wasn't the West trying to contain and constrain Russia?

If you want to play the game of stop-touching-me then start a lot earlier then 1812-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_ ... %80%931800

when wasn't Russia trying to expand?

[James Caruthers]

Most of the Craigslist ads posted by women are looking for the impossible, requiring all of the following at the same time, such as a deep and meaningful relationship with a tender peace-loving gentle guy who loves kittens and rabbits and kids and will defend his woman with violent fisticuffs, who buys flowers on a daily basis while playing war-simulation sports with vigour and wild success, who is wholly independent but never strays, who is wholly financially and personally successful but dotes on his woman 24/7, who loves long walks in the rain but loves to spend forever at home in front of the fire and loves to travel but loves to stay in bed forever just cuddling, who loves sex but really just wants to cuddle, who loves cats, loves dogs, loves parrots, loves the SPCA, etc., etc., et-ridiculous-fucking-tc.

Not just craigslist, but pretty much anywhere women post their dating preferences, you see this sort of thing.

Maybe it's just a biological difference in the sexes. Maybe the women lie better than men (to hide their own slutty desires). Maybe men are more realistic about what they want from a partner. Maybe men are unrealistic in their own ways.

I do know that whatever these women who post these long lists are expecting to find out there, they usually "settle" for a lot less or else stay single. There is that shop-worn MRA talking point about a woman who falls in love with a man and then tries to change him. If she succeeds, she comes to resent him because the qualities about him she claimed needed changing were the reasons she loved him so much in the first place.

I suspect many of the young women who post these laundry lists of requirements from their perfect dream man are spoiled princesses trying to live a disney fantasy. But even worse than that, is people who post their amateur poetry on dating websites/craigslist. There is a special hell for you people.

[James Caruthers]

MLA is for girlie men. :shifty:

It is, but that's one tutu I'm happy to put on. MLA is some fucking easy-ass shit. There's a reason people use it and like it.

What is "MLA"? Modern Language Association style of writing? Member of Legislative Assembly?

What? The citation master himself doesn't know MLA? It's what all the cool SJWs are using!

Modern Language Association. It's a way of citing your sources. My argument as to why people use it is it's super easy. There are online websites that will cite sources in MLA format for you, for free. Even if they're not perfect, all you have to do is punch in the title, select the edition and then correct any mistakes the program makes. I can create a citation in about 30 seconds. :lol:

[Southern]

It's a good job all the fascists are on the Russian side in the Ukraine isn't it

No, just the vast majority of them, including the largest number of neo-nazi gangs on the entire planet. Which is why russian crocodile tears about evil ukrainian nazis just makes me chortle condescendingly, as it should anyone even slightly familiar with either country. But sure, tell me more about how the Ukrainian interim government is totally just a nest of fascists and anti-semitic right wingers, while simultaneously and unironically saying what put them in power was a western zionist plot. Then you might have almost as much cognitive dissonance as russian "media".

Slavic neo-nazis. I boggled when I first realized that was a thing.

http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/p ... 590824.gif

[Dornier Pfeil]

Setting aside whichever side anyone is on concerning Ukraine, how about a pool. How soon do you think it will be before Obama stands up and declares "PEACE IN OUR TIME!" after giving Ukraine the shaft? I think he'll do it on April Fool's Day so that no one will be able to tell if he was kidding or not.

[Steersman]

<snip>

But that still doesn’t seem to address the question of whether combinations of gametes other than X-X and X-Y – arguably the definition of sex and sexual reproduction – are possible and viable. For instance, there are various animal hybrids – ligers, and mules (63 chromosomes being “a mixture of the horse’s 64 and the donkey’s 62”), for examples – some combinations of which are sterile. So, by that token, assuming that any of those other human genotypes are viable and non-sterile, one is sort of forced to argue or concede that they are either other sexes or entirely different species.

1) Combinations of gametes other than 46XX & 46XY are possible & viable - people with Turner's (45XO) and Klinefelter's (47XXY) are conceived, born, & live into adulthood.
2) People with karyotypes other than 46XX & 46XY are likely to be infertile, but sometimes can procreate. That's what the links at the end of my post above describe. Sometimes the person has a mosaic condition (not all of the person is 45XO or 47XXY) but sometimes he/she doesn't.
3) AFAIK, child(ren) successfully born of parents whose karyotype is abnormal, are quite likely to have a normal karyotype, because (a) in meiosis half of the gametes formed from 45XO or 47XXY will have the normal/correct number of chromosomes, and (b) aneuploidy (abnormal # of chromosomes) in the zygote/embryo is more likely to lead to miscarriage than normal karyotype is.
But I have not seen data on the actual outcomes of such procreation, only case reports.

So, you would agree then that there are “other sexes”, though of a genotypical variety? Or you would argue that that isn’t the case unless they “breed true”? That is, two individuals of, say, 47-XXY producing a child (fetus) of the same “type”? Apropos of which:

In the world of selective animal breeding, to "breed true" means that specimens of an animal breed will breed true-to-type when mated like-to-like; that is, that the progeny of any two individuals in the same breed will show consistent, replicable and predictable characteristics. A puppy from two purebred dogs of the same breed, for example, will exhibit the traits of its parents, and not the traits of all breeds in the subject breed's ancestry.

Gets a little messy, doesn’t it, when one tries to cover all cases with a single rule or definition; why I have at least a little bit of sympathy for Hornbeck’s argument. Unless one defines sex from the point of view of the gametes, and the viability and “true-breeding” of the zygotes, it seems one is sort of obliged to consider that each of the many permutations of phenotype and genotype constitute a different sex. As Strawkins suggested, that is a helluva way to run a railroad, much less a science.

[Dick Strawkins]

Most of the Craigslist ads posted by women are looking for the impossible, requiring all of the following at the same time, such as a deep and meaningful relationship with a tender peace-loving gentle guy who loves kittens and rabbits and kids and will defend his woman with violent fisticuffs, who buys flowers on a daily basis while playing war-simulation sports with vigour and wild success, who is wholly independent but never strays, who is wholly financially and personally successful but dotes on his woman 24/7, who loves long walks in the rain but loves to spend forever at home in front of the fire and loves to travel but loves to stay in bed forever just cuddling, who loves sex but really just wants to cuddle, who loves cats, loves dogs, loves parrots, loves the SPCA, etc., etc., et-ridiculous-fucking-tc.

Not just craigslist, but pretty much anywhere women post their dating preferences, you see this sort of thing.

Maybe it's just a biological difference in the sexes. Maybe the women lie better than men (to hide their own slutty desires). Maybe men are more realistic about what they want from a partner. Maybe men are unrealistic in their own ways.

I do know that whatever these women who post these long lists are expecting to find out there, they usually "settle" for a lot less or else stay single. There is that shop-worn MRA talking point about a woman who falls in love with a man and then tries to change him. If she succeeds, she comes to resent him because the qualities about him she claimed needed changing were the reasons she loved him so much in the first place.

I suspect many of the young women who post these laundry lists of requirements from their perfect dream man are spoiled princesses trying to live a disney fantasy. But even worse than that, is people who post their amateur poetry on dating websites/craigslist. There is a special hell for you people.

It may be just a supply and demand type of thing.

I'm not used to the online dating scene but I've read that women joining such services often get immediately inundated with requests for dates from men due to the simple fact that there are so many men and so few women using these sites.
This leads to a situation whereby very plain looking women may indeed be able to be incredibly picky as to who they choose, and may be able to date men who, by looks alone, you might assume were far better looking than the women.
Here's one such example:
http://www.xojane.com/sex/hi-there-im-f ... and-slutty

Ironically it may be the case that plain women have a far better time on these sites than pretty women, since the good looking women are often the targets of the small proportion of men on these sites who are the creepy stalker types.

[Steersman]

[.quote="Guestus Aurelius"]

MLA is for girlie men. :shifty:[/.quote]
It is, but that's one tutu I'm happy to put on. MLA is some fucking easy-ass shit. There's a reason people use it and like it.

What is "MLA"? Modern Language Association style of writing? Member of Legislative Assembly?

What? The citation master himself doesn't know MLA? It's what all the cool SJWs are using! .... :lol:

:-) My citations have generally been limited to links to articles, rather than a chapter-and-verse bill-of-particulars about dates, authors, publications, etc., etc.

[Southern]

tl/dr

Start at 1812. Just when, exactly, wasn't the West trying to contain and constrain Russia?

Wasn't Russia BFF with France in 1914? In fact, wasn't that exactly what made Germany so obsessed with avoiding a two-front war in the first place?

[Dick Strawkins]

<snip>

But that still doesn’t seem to address the question of whether combinations of gametes other than X-X and X-Y – arguably the definition of sex and sexual reproduction – are possible and viable. For instance, there are various animal hybrids – ligers, and mules (63 chromosomes being “a mixture of the horse’s 64 and the donkey’s 62”), for examples – some combinations of which are sterile. So, by that token, assuming that any of those other human genotypes are viable and non-sterile, one is sort of forced to argue or concede that they are either other sexes or entirely different species.

1) Combinations of gametes other than 46XX & 46XY are possible & viable - people with Turner's (45XO) and Klinefelter's (47XXY) are conceived, born, & live into adulthood.
2) People with karyotypes other than 46XX & 46XY are likely to be infertile, but sometimes can procreate. That's what the links at the end of my post above describe. Sometimes the person has a mosaic condition (not all of the person is 45XO or 47XXY) but sometimes he/she doesn't.
3) AFAIK, child(ren) successfully born of parents whose karyotype is abnormal, are quite likely to have a normal karyotype, because (a) in meiosis half of the gametes formed from 45XO or 47XXY will have the normal/correct number of chromosomes, and (b) aneuploidy (abnormal # of chromosomes) in the zygote/embryo is more likely to lead to miscarriage than normal karyotype is.
But I have not seen data on the actual outcomes of such procreation, only case reports.

So, you would agree then that there are “other sexes”, though of a genotypical variety? Or you would argue that that isn’t the case unless they “breed true”? That is, two individuals of, say, 47-XXY producing a child (fetus) of the same “type”? Apropos of which:

In the world of selective animal breeding, to "breed true" means that specimens of an animal breed will breed true-to-type when mated like-to-like; that is, that the progeny of any two individuals in the same breed will show consistent, replicable and predictable characteristics. A puppy from two purebred dogs of the same breed, for example, will exhibit the traits of its parents, and not the traits of all breeds in the subject breed's ancestry.

Gets a little messy, doesn’t it, when one tries to cover all cases with a single rule or definition; why I have at least a little bit of sympathy for Hornbeck’s argument. Unless one defines sex from the point of view of the gametes, and the viability and “true-breeding” of the zygotes, it seems one is sort of obliged to consider that each of the many permutations of phenotype and genotype constitute a different sex. As Strawkins suggested, that is a helluva way to run a railroad, much less a science.

A lot of speciation events seem to involve a situation where a chromosomal alteration becomes fixed in the population - for example the human-chimp differentiation seems to have involved the fusion of two ancestral chromosomes to produce human chromosome 2.
Such a fusion usually means the individual is less fertile (because their gametes will be a mix of those containing the fused chromosome and those containing the fused chromosome and the unfused counterpart.)
But if the initial individual manages to reproduce and pass on the fused chromosome within a small population (for example an isolated family group where inbreeding takes place) then we can have a situation where we get fixation of the fused chromosome within that group due to individuals who have the same fusion mating- at which point it ceases to be a hindrance to fertility.

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

BarnOwl said (http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 50#p166550):

The dude always has some communicable disease; probably he should have his immune system function checked. Or just wash his hands more frequently.

Ya, no kidding. It seems like winter hits, and the next thing you know PeeZus is whining about a cold or flu, and seems to get one at least 4 or 5 times per season. What the fuck? No hand washing? No flu shots? It does not compute, unless his immune system is as weak as his mind, well, then....

I believe he takes corticosteroids, which lower your immune response.

[deLurch]

http://i.imgur.com/vcQugLP.jpg
No no, he *totally* wants to kill you, Zvan. No joke. Flaying your skin and wearing it Men in Black style. Would work as a killer face lift as well. Killer! Get it? Likewise that bloke who said he was gonna blow the airport he was in sky high? Totally legit. Absolutely nothing facetious about any of it. How could you even think that? Outrageous.

Nothing loosens the purse strings of a failed ebegging attempt like screams of harassment.

[didymos]

Tone policing is now harassment:

Also, simply talking about someone without telling them:

"subtweeting" for the uninitiated:

http://webtrends.about.com/od/Twitter-W ... btweet.htm

[Parody Accountant]

SJW vs every modern movement
http://awegif.com/gifs/562.gif

[another lurker]

fapping to deLurch's new avatar

@Gumby

Love the new pic of your spaz, she is smokin' cute here.

[Really?]

Tone policing is now harassment:

Also, simply talking about someone without telling them:

"subtweeting" for the uninitiated:

http://webtrends.about.com/od/Twitter-W ... btweet.htm

Geez. Now she's trying to dictate how people are allowed to communicate and share ideas in order to make things feel (her concept of) safe for others. I recently read about a brave woman who urged exactly the opposite.

[Gumby]

BarnOwl said (http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 50#p166550):

The dude always has some communicable disease; probably he should have his immune system function checked. Or just wash his hands more frequently.

Ya, no kidding. It seems like winter hits, and the next thing you know PeeZus is whining about a cold or flu, and seems to get one at least 4 or 5 times per season. What the fuck? No hand washing? No flu shots? It does not compute, unless his immune system is as weak as his mind, well, then....

I believe he takes corticosteroids, which lower your immune response.

Rare defense of Peezus here. In addition to his possible medication, he lives in Minnesota, which has hellish winters. Also, as a teacher, he's exposed to many, many people throughout a typical workday. Colds can happen anytime, and flu shots only work well if they're tuned to the prevalent strain.

He's still a wuss, but I can't blame him for getting sick.

[Gumby]

fapping to deLurch's new avatar

@Gumby

Love the new pic of your spaz, she is smokin' cute here.

Yeah, she's at her kyootist when she's in my laundry basket. That load had just come out of the dryer so she was in heaven.

[BarnOwl]

I believe he takes corticosteroids, which lower your immune response.

For what? Not denying that it's so, just wondering. I'd think they'd be contraindicated for someone with high blood pressure/cardiovascular disease.

Unless it's lupus.

But it's never lupus.

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

PZ Steriods-I can't remember, or indeed care, why he takes them. I recall a post where he said he was taking them long term and it caused some rage, or anger. And he didn't mind it. Or some such shit. When I take them (for asthma on occasion) I do feel irritable, and hate that feeling. Must be what SJWs feel all the time.

[Dick Strawkins]

There's a rather over the top anti sex-work article that's just been published in the New Statesman.
It's by a columnist that goes by the name Glosswitch, and it's rather standard boilerplate radfem material.
It's got all the usual radfem dog whistles: patriarchy, privilege, patriarchy, anti sex work, PIV, patriarchy, and patriarchy.

http://www.newstatesman.com/lifestyle/2 ... ys-work-it

Ophelia picks up on it to complain - although her complaint seems to be it's not radical enough.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... -than-air/

Her commenters, on the other hand, don't seem to appreciate the anti sex work theme.

[BarnOwl]

Rare defense of Peezus here. In addition to his possible medication, he lives in Minnesota, which has hellish winters. Also, as a teacher, he's exposed to many, many people throughout a typical workday. Colds can happen anytime, and flu shots only work well if they're tuned to the prevalent strain.

He's still a wuss, but I can't blame him for getting sick.

Fair enough, and I don't live in a place with hellish winters (the summers are beyond hell though), but I'm also primarily a teacher, and I'm exposed to many students every workday, as well as to many clinicians who work with sick people. And my office is on a hallway that's a major route going to and from the university hospital and the VA hospital. So nyah. :P

[another lurker]

Rare defense of Peezus here. In addition to his possible medication, he lives in Minnesota, which has hellish winters. Also, as a teacher, he's exposed to many, many people throughout a typical workday. Colds can happen anytime, and flu shots only work well if they're tuned to the prevalent strain.

He's still a wuss, but I can't blame him for getting sick.

Fair enough, and I don't live in a place with hellish winters (the summers are beyond hell though), but I'm also primarily a teacher, and I'm exposed to many students every workday, as well as to many clinicians who work with sick people. And my office is on a hallway that's a major route going to and from the university hospital and the VA hospital. So nyah. :P

You're an owl. You are genetically superior.

Speaking of which, if you had a pet owl, would you knit cute sweaters for it:P

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

Also, happy birthday to our own welch, many slappy returns of the day. Don't always agree with you, but hell, that would get boring quick. PZ, as for you, your surreptitious reader o' the pit, fuck off. Or use this day for a little reflection and see what you've done to your life. Not too late to change, you pompous bastard.

[JackSkeptic]

The dude always has some communicable disease; probably he should have his immune system function checked. Or just wash his hands more frequently.

Ya, no kidding. It seems like winter hits, and the next thing you know PeeZus is whining about a cold or flu, and seems to get one at least 4 or 5 times per season. What the fuck? No hand washing? No flu shots? It does not compute, unless his immune system is as weak as his mind, well, then....

I believe he takes corticosteroids, which lower your immune response.[/quote]

Rare defense of Peezus here. In addition to his possible medication, he lives in Minnesota, which has hellish winters. Also, as a teacher, he's exposed to many, many people throughout a typical workday. Colds can happen anytime, and flu shots only work well if they're tuned to the prevalent strain.

He's still a wuss, but I can't blame him for getting sick.[/quote]

I got a friend who works hard but whenever he takes a break he gets a cold. Probably a reason for that (stress=lower resistance) but he cant take a long weekend or holiday without getting the sniffles. If PZM is similar I have sympathy for him.

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

There's a rather over the top anti sex-work article that's just been published in the New Statesman.
It's by a columnist that goes by the name Glosswitch, and it's rather standard boilerplate radfem material.
It's got all the usual radfem dog whistles: patriarchy, privilege, patriarchy, anti sex work, PIV, patriarchy, and patriarchy.

http://www.newstatesman.com/lifestyle/2 ... ys-work-it

Ophelia picks up on it to complain - although her complaint seems to be it's not radical enough.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... -than-air/

Her commenters, on the other hand, don't seem to appreciate the anti sex work theme.

Not exactly a sterling endorsement of her writing from the commentariat, is it? Perhaps they're weary of the same drum being banged all the time.

Do any of you regular readers of the Pharangulatio blogs know how many active "horde" are left? I was never very active there, and only know a few of the really active participants. Skeptickle and others seem to have done some great detective work, and I'm curious as to how the purging of the roles has impacted participation in the commentariat.....

[JackSkeptic]

PZ Steriods-I can't remember, or indeed care, why he takes them. I recall a post where he said he was taking them long term and it caused some rage, or anger. And he didn't mind it. Or some such shit. When I take them (for asthma on occasion) I do feel irritable, and hate that feeling. Must be what SJWs feel all the time.

Makes you wonder if that's the cause of all his anger outbursts and a need to find a cause to express them while gaining approval rather than rejection for doing so. If there is one group where being angry is de rigueur it's the SJW's. They are angry at least 11 times before breakfast, it's a requirement and god's their punishment for being True Believers so caring and empathic in a world of haters who are yet to see the light accept and atone for their sins being a normal human being. But I'm guessing again.

[JacquesCuze]

Tone policing is now harassment:

Geez. Now she's trying to dictate how people are allowed to communicate and share ideas in order to make things feel (her concept of) safe for others. I recently read about a brave woman who urged exactly the opposite.

Logic is a little tweeting bird chirping in a meadow. Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell BAD. Are you sure your circuits are registering correctly.

Norman coordinate!

[BarnOwl]

PZ Steriods-I can't remember, or indeed care, why he takes them. I recall a post where he said he was taking them long term and it caused some rage, or anger. And he didn't mind it. Or some such shit. When I take them (for asthma on occasion) I do feel irritable, and hate that feeling. Must be what SJWs feel all the time.

I had to be on corticosteroids for a week once, because of a massive immune (over)reaction to poison ivy (there were some dead poison ivy vines in the brush I was clearing from my backyard). Gave me the worst insomnia EVER (but my seasonal allergies cleared right up). I think there's a photo of my poison ivy-inflamed forearms in a medical journal somewhere. If someone ever wants to kill me, poison ivy exposure would be an excellent choice.

[Gumby]

Fair enough, and I don't live in a place with hellish winters (the summers are beyond hell though), but I'm also primarily a teacher, and I'm exposed to many students every workday, as well as to many clinicians who work with sick people. And my office is on a hallway that's a major route going to and from the university hospital and the VA hospital. So nyah. :P

Well, you're a Slymepitter, so germs and viruses avoid you because they fear being asked for coffee in elevators.

[JackSkeptic]

Has anyone got PTSD from posting here? I mean, what with us being the depths of evil and everything it must happen all the time right? We shot our only god in the head (may Kitty rise in three days, it hath been prophesied), everyone argues with everyone, the more trivial the topic the better, and we all hate women and minorities and stuff. That's just in one day. Maybe we are all suffering from PTSD? Maybe we should proudly proclaim that on twitter and earn us some victim points ASAP. We better hurry before the points run out, others got there long before us.

[another lurker]

Has anyone got PTSD from posting here? I mean, what with us being the depths of evil and everything it must happen all the time right? We shot our only god in the head (may Kitty rise in three days, it hath been prophesied), everyone argues with everyone, the more trivial the topic the better, and we all hate women and minorities and stuff. That's just in one day. Maybe we are all suffering from PTSD? Maybe we should proudly proclaim that on twitter and earn us some victim points ASAP. We better hurry before the points run out, others got there long before us.

the pit is clearly responsible for cunt's mental breakdown

[JackSkeptic]

Has anyone got PTSD from posting here? I mean, what with us being the depths of evil and everything it must happen all the time right? We shot our only god in the head (may Kitty rise in three days, it hath been prophesied), everyone argues with everyone, the more trivial the topic the better, and we all hate women and minorities and stuff. That's just in one day. Maybe we are all suffering from PTSD? Maybe we should proudly proclaim that on twitter and earn us some victim points ASAP. We better hurry before the points run out, others got there long before us.

the pit is clearly responsible for cunt's mental breakdown

You can tell when he's had one?

[Mykeru]

PZ Steriods-I can't remember, or indeed care, why he takes them. I recall a post where he said he was taking them long term and it caused some rage, or anger. And he didn't mind it. Or some such shit. When I take them (for asthma on occasion) I do feel irritable, and hate that feeling. Must be what SJWs feel all the time.

Makes you wonder if that's the cause of all his anger outbursts and a need to find a cause to express them while gaining approval rather than rejection for doing so. If there is one group where being angry is de rigueur it's the SJW's. They are angry at least 11 times before breakfast, it's a requirement and god's their punishment for being True Believers so caring and empathic in a world of haters who are yet to see the light accept and atone for their sins being a normal human being. But I'm guessing again.

One has to consider the complex relationship between the steroids and how they can be over-powered by the dominant personality traits of the person taking them. Which mean, in this case, the steroids aren't turning P.Z. into a raging he-beast so much as, more profoundly, P.Z. is making the steroids into a whiny little fat prick pansy.

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

Has anyone got PTSD from posting here? I mean, what with us being the depths of evil and everything it must happen all the time right? We shot our only god in the head (may Kitty rise in three days, it hath been prophesied), everyone argues with everyone, the more trivial the topic the better, and we all hate women and minorities and stuff. That's just in one day. Maybe we are all suffering from PTSD? Maybe we should proudly proclaim that on twitter and earn us some victim points ASAP. We better hurry before the points run out, others got there long before us.

Matt Cavanaugh.

[JackSkeptic]

Has anyone got PTSD from posting here? I mean, what with us being the depths of evil and everything it must happen all the time right? We shot our only god in the head (may Kitty rise in three days, it hath been prophesied), everyone argues with everyone, the more trivial the topic the better, and we all hate women and minorities and stuff. That's just in one day. Maybe we are all suffering from PTSD? Maybe we should proudly proclaim that on twitter and earn us some victim points ASAP. We better hurry before the points run out, others got there long before us.

Matt Cavanaugh.

He'll be back, hopefully. What some people find funny others do not and there does seem to be an issue with recognizing that before the damage is done.

[JackSkeptic]

PZ Steriods-I can't remember, or indeed care, why he takes them. I recall a post where he said he was taking them long term and it caused some rage, or anger. And he didn't mind it. Or some such shit. When I take them (for asthma on occasion) I do feel irritable, and hate that feeling. Must be what SJWs feel all the time.

Makes you wonder if that's the cause of all his anger outbursts and a need to find a cause to express them while gaining approval rather than rejection for doing so. If there is one group where being angry is de rigueur it's the SJW's. They are angry at least 11 times before breakfast, it's a requirement and god's their punishment for being True Believers so caring and empathic in a world of haters who are yet to see the light accept and atone for their sins being a normal human being. But I'm guessing again.

One has to consider the complex relationship between the steroids and how they can be over-powered by the dominant personality traits of the person taking them. Which mean, in this case, the steroids aren't turning P.Z. into a raging he-beast so much as, more profoundly, P.Z. is making the steroids into a whiny little fat prick pansy.

I loved your video by the way.

PS: I am practicing how to suck up, it works wonders in the world of SJW's and it may be a useful skill one day.

[Parody Accountant]

Has anyone got PTSD from posting here? I mean, what with us being the depths of evil and everything it must happen all the time right? We shot our only god in the head (may Kitty rise in three days, it hath been prophesied), everyone argues with everyone, the more trivial the topic the better, and we all hate women and minorities and stuff. That's just in one day. Maybe we are all suffering from PTSD? Maybe we should proudly proclaim that on twitter and earn us some victim points ASAP. We better hurry before the points run out, others got there long before us.

No joke... I've got PTSD (and Major Depressive Disorder, and Anxiety disorder, and alcoholism... and other shit like ADD) I'm going to be intentionally vague here as to the circumstances causing it. I'm in the middle of being forced out of my career because of it. My 'trauma' stems from a subject encountered rather frequently in this forum.

In no way shape or form has the slymepit caused any bit of my illness.

On the other hand, I've definitely been triggered here before. The worst reaction I've had is angrily slamming my laptop lid closed, perhaps muttering a swear at whatever person/story reminded me of a sociopath that fucked me up. Basically, not that bad. But bad enough for me to avoid the place until my medication / therapy got me back to 'normal' (whatever that means).

At all times I realize that I'm the one who's fucked up. I'm envious of your lackadaisical encounters with horrible people. I'm 100% aware that if I'm triggered by something, it's fucking EASY to just shut this place off for a day / month / ever.

Conversely, I find that humor helps me work through a situation, and I also appreciate the dedication of the handful who seem to treat this place like a 'mission'. (Much) more often than not, any 'triggering' subjects are easily disarmed by the 'charm' of the pit.

[AndrewV69]

Has anyone got PTSD from posting here? I mean, what with us being the depths of evil and everything it must happen all the time right? We shot our only god in the head (may Kitty rise in three days, it hath been prophesied), everyone argues with everyone, the more trivial the topic the better, and we all hate women and minorities and stuff. That's just in one day. Maybe we are all suffering from PTSD? Maybe we should proudly proclaim that on twitter and earn us some victim points ASAP. We better hurry before the points run out, others got there long before us.

the pit is clearly responsible for cunt's mental breakdown

What was funny was his bafflement at being told off in that dialect of english as spoken in Canukistan. The fact no one translated or even offered to was also funny as hell.

[Parody Accountant]

Has anyone got PTSD from posting here? I mean, what with us being the depths of evil and everything it must happen all the time right? We shot our only god in the head (may Kitty rise in three days, it hath been prophesied), everyone argues with everyone, the more trivial the topic the better, and we all hate women and minorities and stuff. That's just in one day. Maybe we are all suffering from PTSD? Maybe we should proudly proclaim that on twitter and earn us some victim points ASAP. We better hurry before the points run out, others got there long before us.

Matt Cavanaugh.

If anyone encounters him off-pit please let him know that all the mom-joke people apologized and will not continue it. I feel responsible, as I was the first to fuck with him along these lines.

He should come back, and not worry.

[JackSkeptic]

Has anyone got PTSD from posting here? I mean, what with us being the depths of evil and everything it must happen all the time right? We shot our only god in the head (may Kitty rise in three days, it hath been prophesied), everyone argues with everyone, the more trivial the topic the better, and we all hate women and minorities and stuff. That's just in one day. Maybe we are all suffering from PTSD? Maybe we should proudly proclaim that on twitter and earn us some victim points ASAP. We better hurry before the points run out, others got there long before us.

No joke... I've got PTSD (and Major Depressive Disorder, and Anxiety disorder, and alcoholism... and other shit like ADD) I'm going to be intentionally vague here as to the circumstances causing it. I'm in the middle of being forced out of my career because of it. My 'trauma' stems from a subject encountered rather frequently in this forum.

In no way shape or form has the slymepit caused any bit of my illness.

On the other hand, I've definitely been triggered here before. The worst reaction I've had is angrily slamming my laptop lid closed, perhaps muttering a swear at whatever person/story reminded me of a sociopath that fucked me up. Basically, not that bad. But bad enough for me to avoid the place until my medication / therapy got me back to 'normal' (whatever that means).

At all times I realize that I'm the one who's fucked up. I'm envious of your lackadaisical encounters with horrible people. I'm 100% aware that if I'm triggered by something, it's fucking EASY to just shut this place off for a day / month / ever.

Conversely, I find that humor helps me work through a situation, and I also appreciate the dedication of the handful who seem to treat this place like a 'mission'. (Much) more often than not, any 'triggering' subjects are easily disarmed by the 'charm' of the pit.

The thing is, you recognize you have an issue, you want to deal with it and you don't go round blaming everyone else or expecting them to change their behavior while screaming for attention and spewing vitriol over invented offenses. My post was being ironic and reflecting that many claimed, self diagnosed 'illnesses' by SJW's are so patently lies and, unforgivable to me, trivialize genuine cases. They directly harm people who genuinely need help and support.

I knew people with PTSD, many of my Uncles got symptoms from WW2 and I know what the hell it does. If people like Hensley had it she would NOT be prating on about it on twitter, the very thing she claims triggers her.

[windy]

If anyone encounters him off-pit please let him know that all the mom-joke people apologized and will not continue it. I feel responsible, as I was the first to fuck with him along these lines.

He should come back, and not worry.

I also hope he comes back, but after all those horseface jokes Matt has graced us with, handwringing over a few "your mom" jokes seems a bit ridiculous.

[another lurker]

If anyone encounters him off-pit please let him know that all the mom-joke people apologized and will not continue it. I feel responsible, as I was the first to fuck with him along these lines.

He should come back, and not worry.

I also hope he comes back, but after all those horseface jokes Matt has graced us with, handwringing over a few "your mom" jokes seems a bit ridiculous.

Knowing Matt he was probably just fucking with us, and is just busy doing other things. He has a pretty thick skin.

[JackSkeptic]

If anyone encounters him off-pit please let him know that all the mom-joke people apologized and will not continue it. I feel responsible, as I was the first to fuck with him along these lines.

He should come back, and not worry.

I also hope he comes back, but after all those horseface jokes Matt has graced us with, handwringing over a few "your mom" jokes seems a bit ridiculous.

The thing with the Slympit is that you have to take the rough with the smooth and it is always hard to know when words may genuinely hurt. For me there are always some things off limits, family being one of them. Actually I have a whole list as I'm a Saint, such as someone's looks, artistic talent or defect or feature they have little control over (body weight, bad speaker etc) But then the clowns have never hurt me and If they did maybe I would think differently.

[JackSkeptic]

I meant to add Parody Accountant please don't feel bad about it. Knowing Matt his response was not something predictable.

[John D]

What happened to Matt and what did you fucker do to his momma?