Mykeru, what a Cnut, eh? Discuss.

[AndrewV69]

http://hungoverowls.tumblr.com/

Do you know? Everytime I see that sig of yours :

I am glad to have been exposed to this point of view, and appreciate the time you took to express it.

I just can not help translating it into Canukistan, to wit:

Fuck off. Blow up and dry away.

And I am starting to feel opressed. Or perhaps it is the prune on top of the pinapples? ... fuck if I know at this point. Anyway ... at a minimum it is pretty disturbing. Working as intended no doubt.

Just saying.

[Really?]

My husband got told by a friends-lister: "IF YOU FIND THIS FUNNY THEN GET THE FUCK OUT OF My LIFE" about a picture of John Bieber with some criminal who looked like he was going to rape him or some shit like that. (Pic not included). I'm amazed by the way these people cut off all their moderate friends with such... perfectness.

What bothers me is the double standard. Daniel Tosh makes a rape joke at the expense of a loudmouth see-nut who heckled him and Jezebel has a mass orgasm. Suddenly, people are calling for him to be stoned to death while castrated.

Bieber (I assume you mean him) is the subject of a million prison rape jokes...I don't see any sanctimonious bullshit from the crazy people.

If one is a reinforcement of "rape culture," then the other is and should elicit the same extreme response.

I'm thinking the same thing about this TERRIBLE story about the woman who called the woman who raped her when she was 12. Yes, this was a woman-on-woman statutory rape, so it likely won't gain the same traction as a 20-year-old actor who dates a 17-year-old woman. We'll see.

I don't know if we need to run a Slymepit conference that runs alongside theirs. It should probably be 1.00am- 1.00am the next day, one long video facepalm.

This would be awesome, even if it's just a chat room or something.

[bhoytony]

it's interesting that Twatson isn't on the speakers list. I'm disappointed that Fincke is.

No free bar. Maybe they can Fedex her a barrel.

[bhoytony]

I don't know if we need to run a Slymepit conference that runs alongside theirs. It should probably be 1.00am- 1.00am the next day, one long video facepalm.

This would be awesome, even if it's just a chat room or something.

Has Vacula been e-begging for us to fund his internet connection so he can "attend" this yet?

Speaking of Justin, is he dead, he hasn't been self-promoting on here for a long time?

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

it's interesting that Twatson isn't on the speakers list. *snip*

She is a professional image manipulator. It's her career. She knows that FfTB is a lame horse, and thus has decided not to ride on their wagon. Better for her to keep sucking on meatspace-conference teets, with their honoraria and access to free-booze airline lounges.

[DeepInsideYourMind]

it's interesting that Twatson isn't on the speakers list. *snip*

She is a professional image manipulator. It's her career. She knows that FfTB is a lame horse, and thus has decided not to ride on their wagon. Better for her to keep sucking on meatspace-conference teets, with their honoraria and access to free-booze airline lounges.

Would ruin her time for her Patron stuff.... follow the money!

[Lsuoma]

My favorite exorcist gets kicked by a violent Ukrainian demon and instead of turning the other cheek he beats the crap out of him with his Bible! The action is in the first 2 minutes:
[youtube]GqBZ4eWr5aw[/youtube]

The fucker! I went to demontest.com like it said at the end of the video, and the fuckers wanted me to pay! demontest.con, more like!

I'll do it for half price! Of course you're demon possessed :evil: :twisted: :evil: :twisted: :x :evil: :twisted:

I know my dick is - it makes all sorts of crazy decisions, and it detaches itself at night and goes and rapes everyfuckingthing in the neighbourhood! Including my own arse!

[Guestus Aurelius]

So I've been reading Steven Pinker's The Blank Slate: The Modern Denial of Human Nature. It looks like social justice warriorism has had a longer and more destructive history than I'd given it credit for. I almost feel sorry for Marx at this point; the enormity of his legacy worldwide may outweigh any good that his ideas inspired, and I doubt he would approve of many of the evils done in his name. ....

Indeed – fascinating book. I’m just in the midst of the chapter [18 – online PDF portion here] on gender and while I’ve raised an eyebrow at the last chapters on art and children, it certainly looks like a solidly researched book.

Yeah, the stuff on art is more than a little eyebrow-raising. Downright simplistic I'd say, even if he gets in a few good points.

[Lsuoma]

it's interesting that Twatson isn't on the speakers list. *snip*

She is a professional image manipulator. It's her career. She knows that FfTB is a lame horse, and thus has decided not to ride on their wagon. Better for her to keep sucking on meatspace-conference teets, with their honoraria and access to free-booze airline lounges.

Would ruin her time for her Patron stuff.... follow the money!

You forgot the accent over the "o":

http://static.bellanaija.com/wp-content ... ija004.jpg

Or did you mean Patreon?

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Friday, January 31
5:00pm
Welcome / Orientation

This is actually where everyone announces their sexual orientation, and clarifies which gender pronouns are to be used when addressing them.

[James Caruthers]

The schedule for the FTB Cons Science (or something like that) event has just been posted by Lousy Canuck.

Friday, January 31
5:00pm
Welcome / Orientation
6:00pm
Intersectionality and Allies: Exiting the Secular Bubble
7:00pm
Evidence-Based Feminism
8:00pm
Artistic Secularism
8:00pm
Godless Fiends Fabric Arts Hour
9:00pm
Skeptics Open Up: Polyamory in the Skeptical Community
9:00pm
Growing Up Godless
10:00pm
Cthulhu's Minions: Evil Gods for Atheists
11:00pm
Elder Gods and the Women Who Love Them
Saturday, February 1
10:00am
When You Need a Hand, Not a Prayer: The State of the Secular Support Movement
11:00am
Between A Rock And...: Non-Binary Gender in Atheism
11:00am
Godless parenting
12:00pm
SW1. Community Building
1:00pm
SW2. Social Justice and Young Women of Color
2:00pm
SW3. Investigating Sexual Harassment: Ken (from popehat)
3:00pm
A conversation about science. PZ Myers and Aron Ra talk about creationism, debating, and random topics in popularizing science.
3:00pm
Atheism and Accessibility
4:00pm
Racism and the Zombie Apocalypse
5:00pm
Effective Use of Social Media with Conferences
6:00pm
Jewish Atheism: the Hows and Whys
WhenSat, February 1, 6pm – 7pm
more details» copy to my calendar
7:00pm
Godless Utopias
8:00pm
Trans* Representation in Video Games
9:00pm
Godless Perverts Story Hour, livestreamed from San Francisco
9:00pm
Fighting for Freethought in the Philippines (Meet the Filipino Freethinkers)
11:00pm
Hangouts Against Humanity
Sunday, February 2
» 1:00am
Hangouts Against Humanity
10:00am
Secular Asian Community discussion
11:00am
Mental Illness and Society
12:00pm
Philosophy for Everyone (panel)
1:00pm
Clinic Escort Stories
2:00pm
Bible Study (or Taking the Bible Seriously as Fiction: A Read-Along)
3:00pm
Veganism and Humanism
3:30pm
Counter-apologetics
5:30pm
Superbowl
6:00pm
Curtain Call
Showing events until 4/30.

It's like a fucking parody of itself. Especially from 5:00 to 12:00. Haha, hilarious. I can just imagine the sort of people who think "Veganism and Humanism" or "Evidence-based Feminism" is fascinating subject matter. By the by, the phrase "evidence-based feminism" sounds rather religious or cultish. If the belief is based on evidence, there's no need to call it "evidence-based." I often hear christians refer to "evidence-based belief in god" or "Christian science." Seems like a rather silly attempt to frame all beliefs that the FTBloggers have as 100% based on fact. Which they would then claim means it is impossible for someone else to be correct in disagreeing with them, because all their views are totes logical and true.

Patriarchy theory in practice is an unfalsifiable hypothesis anyway, since all conditions of equality or inequality which do exist or could exist are taken as reinforcement that patriarchy is real, including contradictory evidence.

[James Caruthers]

My husband got told by a friends-lister: "IF YOU FIND THIS FUNNY THEN GET THE FUCK OUT OF My LIFE" about a picture of John Bieber with some criminal who looked like he was going to rape him or some shit like that. (Pic not included). I'm amazed by the way these people cut off all their moderate friends with such... perfectness.

Ha, get these perfect people alone and with a few drinks in them, and I bet the amount of racism/sexism/ableism/ageism/fat-shaming/slut-shaming/prude-shaming/etc would be crazy.

Of course, if you do get a SJW alone and put a few drinks in him or her, be prepared for a rape charge in the morning, whether you sleep with that person or not.

[rayshul]

9:00pm
Skeptics Open Up: Polyamory in the Skeptical Community

I feel this one is going to be awkward.

[JackSkeptic]

So my POC mother and sister are learning to play ukulele. Horrendous cultural appropriation, but would it be racist to attack POC for that? But then again, as a POC, I cannot ever be racist, not the least against my own kind. But that also means I don't have a responsibility to stop their cultural appropriation, since either way, I'm exercising my lack of racism. Hmm, choices, choices. I will pray to my free will to decide what to do.

Only Northern Gits are allowed to play a ukulele. They are appropriating northern gitness and probably blackpool rock. Tell them to clean some windows at once to atone. I'll also be putting this forward as an interesting and relevant topic for the FtBTotalCon.


[youtube]sfmAeijj5cM[/youtube]

[JackSkeptic]

My husband got told by a friends-lister: "IF YOU FIND THIS FUNNY THEN GET THE FUCK OUT OF My LIFE" about a picture of John Bieber with some criminal who looked like he was going to rape him or some shit like that. (Pic not included). I'm amazed by the way these people cut off all their moderate friends with such... perfectness.

What bothers me is the double standard. Daniel Tosh makes a rape joke at the expense of a loudmouth see-nut who heckled him and Jezebel has a mass orgasm. Suddenly, people are calling for him to be stoned to death while castrated.

Bieber (I assume you mean him) is the subject of a million prison rape jokes...I don't see any sanctimonious bullshit from the crazy people.

If one is a reinforcement of "rape culture," then the other is and should elicit the same extreme response.

I'm thinking the same thing about this TERRIBLE story about the woman who called the woman who raped her when she was 12. Yes, this was a woman-on-woman statutory rape, so it likely won't gain the same traction as a 20-year-old actor who dates a 17-year-old woman. We'll see.

I don't know if we need to run a Slymepit conference that runs alongside theirs. It should probably be 1.00am- 1.00am the next day, one long video facepalm.

This would be awesome, even if it's just a chat room or something.

I'm up for that. I love boring people.

[Skep tickle]

The schedule for the FTB Cons Science (or something like that) event has just been posted by Lousy Canuck.

"9:00pm
Godless Perverts Story Hour, livestreamed from San Francisco"

Greta had the logo from the Godless Perverts website heading a post a couple of weeks ago:
http://i.imgur.com/XBrpHTQ.png?1

It's probably supposed to be a humorous 'dig' at Christians or Christianity, but also looks kind of like an endorsement of something quite short of enthusiastic consent. (Not that I care, but you'd think they or their buddies might.)

Whoa. Hey, buddy. Wanna put a trigger warning on that image? I'm still not ready to confront the intersectionality of heternormative PIV rape.

Interesting that you should assume that the drawing implies PIV or anything hetero. Perhaps you would find some of the FtBConScience sessions on sex to be educational? ;)

Instead of PIV, the two fish could be engaged in PIA*, or SIV**, or SIA**/*, or frottage, and each could identify with any gender or no gender at all.
(*A = anus, **S = strap-on)

I do note that they are differently abled, with the Christian fish lacking arms & legs, which the atheist fish not only has but is using to hold the Christian fish against its will and to get some leverage for whatever action it is that it's perpetrating against the Christian fish.

[rayshul]

Shetterly seems to be writing a book on the SJW phenomenon: http://sjwar.blogspot.co.nz/

Interesting so far. I wish I'd studied Marxism so I'd have a better grounding for understanding what the bugger's talking about at times though.

[Tony Parsehole]

I don't know if we need to run a Slymepit conference that runs alongside theirs. It should probably be 1.00am- 1.00am the next day, one long video facepalm.

This would be awesome, even if it's just a chat room or something.

Has Vacula been e-begging for us to fund his internet connection so he can "attend" this yet?

Speaking of Justin, is he dead, he hasn't been self-promoting on here for a long time?

He' still alive and well on Twitter.

[Brive1987]

Is that list of events a joke?

I have come to that point where I can't tell what's real and what's not.

I just copied the list from Lousy Canuck's site.

No you are full of shit.

"Racism and the Zombie Apocalypse" gave away your obvious Poe.

Shame on you for thinking we would be fooled.

Happy 2014. I wonder if anyone else had such a shitty start to the year?

[Tony Parsehole]

Is that list of events a joke?

I have come to that point where I can't tell what's real and what's not.

Nearly every title is a "WTF" moment.
'Godless perverts story hour'? Jesus Christ.

[Pitchguest]

Is that list of events a joke?

I have come to that point where I can't tell what's real and what's not.

Nearly every title is a "WTF" moment.
'Godless perverts story hour'? Jesus Christ.

Knowing Greta Christina, it'll be a grand fairytale about unicorns, rainbows, and rape. Lots and lots of rape.

[Tony Parsehole]

Is that list of events a joke?

I have come to that point where I can't tell what's real and what's not.

Nearly every title is a "WTF" moment.
'Godless perverts story hour'? Jesus Christ.

Knowing Greta Christina, it'll be a grand fairytale about unicorns, rainbows, and rape. Lots and lots of rape.

Aye. Followed by an hour long talk about how mens magazines are contributing to rape culture.

BTW, did anybody notice that Ken from Popehat is one of the speakers? Interesting.

[piginthecity]

The schedule for the FTB Cons Science (or something like that) event has just been posted by Lousy Canuck.

Friday, January 31
8:00pm
Trans* Representation in Video Games

I'm a simple fellow so please explain this to me. It's about trans people ( I do know one in my life, by the way).

Trans people believe ( or emotionally feel ) they are truly the opposite sex to the one they were born with, and hence some wish to be fully identified with this sex. True or false ?

Hence, for example, a male to female transsexual may want to live as a woman and be accepted as a woman. What she wants is to be a woman. Therefore what she doesn't want is to be a member of some category called 'trans women' which is different and separate from the category 'cis women'.

Now the SJL are very very keen that everybody states whether they are 'cis' or 'trans', and that categories such as 'trans women' and 'cis women' are always explicitly stated. It's no good just introducing yourself as a 'woman', you are obliged to say which of the two sorts of women, cis or trans, you belong to. This apparently even extends to video games, where appearently, categories like 'trans women' ( I may be jumping the gun here as i haven't heard the FTBCon talk - and I'm not going to).

Now I contend that this is actually deeply unkind to trans people. It may appear kind, because they are always mentioning them, but they always mention them in a context of the trans people as never actually belonging to the sex they wish to identify with, only a 'trans' version of this sex. The whole point about being trans is that you want people to identify you as a member (not an associate member) of the sex you identify with emotionally.

Now, apparently, people who are trans in actual life aren't even supposed to play video games as a character of the sex they believe they truly are. No ! According to the SJL they are obliged to play a character who in the game was born one sex and now identifies as the the other.

They don't even get to have their wishes reflected in goddam video games !

That's it, and anybody who thinks I'm actually talking about myself, then fair enough - good guess - but not right on this occasion !!

[Brive1987]

Wow. Give Twatson money and she will tell you her favourite beer.

The value adds just roll on.

[Scented Nectar]

The first time I had absinthe I was in Belfast and had been sent out to get some pizza. I saw an advertisement for absinthe in the window of a pub and went in. Long story short, I did not get pizza and someone had to come and collect me from the pub.

So far, that is the best advertisement I've ever seen for absinthe. :D

[ianfc]

Watching what you say the SJL way.

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dongiovanni (Now onto Wagner)
25 January 2014 at 6:46 pm (UTC -6)

Those baked potatoes sound very agreeable indeed. Bacon…
In other news, I has brioche ready to go into the oven, and it occurs to me at this point that gluten intolerance must be deeply depressing.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-743897

CaitieCat suspects this use may be trivialising depression and has the whiff of ableism

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CaitieCat
25 January 2014 at 6:52 pm (UTC -6)

If I might gently suggest, dongiovanni, perhaps a gluten intolerance is more likely to be “saddening” or “frustrating” than depressing, no? And I mean it in that sense, a gentle suggestion, along the lines of the ableist nature of calling people “crazy” and so on. In no way a requirement, or even a mandate, merely raising the question of whether it isn’t a bit trivializing of what being depressed is, to suggest that it might be the result of being sad over not being able to enjoy bread products?
<snip>

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-743902

All is well though, dongiovanni doesn't tell CaitieCat to fuck off.

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dongiovanni (Now onto Wagner)
25 January 2014 at 7:28 pm (UTC -6)

It’s quite alright, and I’ll keep an eye on the language I use in future. As you can see, my social skills leave more than a little to be desired, so apologies again if I’ve done anything else unpleasant.
<snip>

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-743930

[Tony Parsehole]

Friday, January 31
5:00pm
Welcome / Orientation- Jason Thiebealt gives a short introduction from a pokey little back bedroom with loads of laundry piled up in the background.
6:00pm
Panromantic and Demisexual- A hipsters guide to inventing pretentious adjectives.
7:00pm
Cheetos, Mountain Dew and Turkey Dinosaurs- Stephanie Zvan discusses the health benefits of our 3 most important sources of nutrition and the patriarchal conspiracy to demonise them.
8:00pm
'You Fucking Cunt'- Ophelia Benson shares her harrowing tale of a recurring dream.
8:00pm
How To Lose Friends and Alienate People- Aron Ra on his recent feminist meltdown.
9:00pm
'La La La La La, Not Listening' - How to spot an impending debate and what you can do to avoid it.
10:00pm
Black in Town. - How to make the skeptic community more accesible to coloured folk. With PZ Myers, Jen Mcreight, Greta Christina and Matt Dillahunty.
11:00pm
Poetry/Slam - First-Half: Various feminist women recite hilarious topical poetry in an avant garde, confrontational style.
Second-Half: Men volunteer to slam their balls in a door in reparation for the glass ceiling.

[Scented Nectar]

Aren't all current brand of Absinthe fake, so to speak? I mean, haven't all the Magic Green Fairy juice's active ingredients been removed? I thought true Absinthe was illegal the world over now? No? Yes? Anyone know for sure?

Yes, they are.

The plant itself is still legal, except in ND (North Dakota? Is that because Caine lives there?) according to the Richters' Catalog. http://www.richters.com/Web_store/web_s ... _button=Go

Once you have the plant, all that's needed is a recipe. It smells nice also when you crush a little piece of leaf. I smelled it once, years ago, at the Royal Botanical Gardens http://www.rbg.ca/, in a bed of various wormwoods (all labelled).

http://www.richters.com/Web_store/Html/Images/X6960.jpg

[piginthecity]

dongiovanni (Now onto Wagner)
25 January 2014 at 7:28 pm (UTC -6)

It’s quite alright, and I’ll keep an eye on the language I use in future. As you can see, my social skills leave more than a little to be desired, so apologies again if I’ve done anything else unpleasant.
<snip>

An Eye ? An Fucking Eye ?? Fucking AN EYE ?? An EYE (FUCKING!!!) ???

That ablist BASTARD!! isn't event considering the triggering effect he's having on the singularly ocularred !!

I'm literally .... (etc... etc ...)

[Gumby]

Wow. Give Twatson money and she will tell you her favourite beer.

The value adds just roll on.

Why should I pay good money just to hear her say "All of them"?

[Gumby]

dongiovanni (Now onto Wagner)
25 January 2014 at 7:28 pm (UTC -6)

It’s quite alright, and I’ll keep an eye on the language I use in future. As you can see, my social skills leave more than a little to be desired, so apologies again if I’ve done anything else unpleasant.
<snip>

An Eye ? An Fucking Eye ?? Fucking AN EYE ?? An EYE (FUCKING!!!) ???

That ablist BASTARD!! isn't event considering the triggering effect he's having on the singularly ocularred !!

I'm literally .... (etc... etc ...)

I guess cyclops-shaming isn't on the otherwise exhaustive list of SJL no-nos.

[Gumby]

Off to drive 10 miles over skating-rink roads to do snow removal on a 40 acre property in subzero weather for 4 hours.

It's great being me.

:bjarte:

[Pitchguest]

The schedule for the FTB Cons Science (or something like that) event has just been posted by Lousy Canuck.

Friday, January 31
5:00pm
Welcome / Orientation
6:00pm
Intersectionality and Allies: Exiting the Secular Bubble
7:00pm
Evidence-Based Feminism
8:00pm
Artistic Secularism
8:00pm
Godless Fiends Fabric Arts Hour
9:00pm
Skeptics Open Up: Polyamory in the Skeptical Community
9:00pm
Growing Up Godless
10:00pm
Cthulhu's Minions: Evil Gods for Atheists
11:00pm
Elder Gods and the Women Who Love Them
Saturday, February 1
10:00am
When You Need a Hand, Not a Prayer: The State of the Secular Support Movement
11:00am
Between A Rock And...: Non-Binary Gender in Atheism
11:00am
Godless parenting
12:00pm
SW1. Community Building
1:00pm
SW2. Social Justice and Young Women of Color
2:00pm
SW3. Investigating Sexual Harassment: Ken (from popehat)
3:00pm
A conversation about science. PZ Myers and Aron Ra talk about creationism, debating, and random topics in popularizing science.
3:00pm
Atheism and Accessibility
4:00pm
Racism and the Zombie Apocalypse
5:00pm
Effective Use of Social Media with Conferences
6:00pm
Jewish Atheism: the Hows and Whys
WhenSat, February 1, 6pm – 7pm
more details» copy to my calendar
7:00pm
Godless Utopias
8:00pm
Trans* Representation in Video Games
9:00pm
Godless Perverts Story Hour, livestreamed from San Francisco
9:00pm
Fighting for Freethought in the Philippines (Meet the Filipino Freethinkers)
11:00pm
Hangouts Against Humanity
Sunday, February 2
» 1:00am
Hangouts Against Humanity
10:00am
Secular Asian Community discussion
11:00am
Mental Illness and Society
12:00pm
Philosophy for Everyone (panel)
1:00pm
Clinic Escort Stories
2:00pm
Bible Study (or Taking the Bible Seriously as Fiction: A Read-Along)
3:00pm
Veganism and Humanism
3:30pm
Counter-apologetics
5:30pm
Superbowl
6:00pm
Curtain Call
Showing events until 4/30.

It's like a fucking parody of itself. Especially from 5:00 to 12:00. Haha, hilarious. I can just imagine the sort of people who think "Veganism and Humanism" or "Evidence-based Feminism" is fascinating subject matter. By the by, the phrase "evidence-based feminism" sounds rather religious or cultish. If the belief is based on evidence, there's no need to call it "evidence-based." I often hear christians refer to "evidence-based belief in god" or "Christian science." Seems like a rather silly attempt to frame all beliefs that the FTBloggers have as 100% based on fact. Which they would then claim means it is impossible for someone else to be correct in disagreeing with them, because all their views are totes logical and true.

Patriarchy theory in practice is an unfalsifiable hypothesis anyway, since all conditions of equality or inequality which do exist or could exist are taken as reinforcement that patriarchy is real, including contradictory evidence.

Heh. I was going to say the same thing. "Evidence-based Feminism"? As opposed to the feminism NOT based on evidence? Is that the kind of feminism other feminists should decry and denounce, kind of like how Protestants decry and denounce Catholics?

Patriarchy theory is their equivalent to deus ex machina. It's their answer to every single issue that befalls women. It's also their answer to issues that befall men, albeit in a secondary motive. "Patriarchy hurts men, TOO." But what is patriarchy? According to feminists*, it's a society where men rule the roost, but also a society where men seek to dominate women and minimize their importance. Which is apparently something that has, according to feminists*, existed since man's first common ancestor first started walking on two feet. (So 400,000 years, give or take.)

*Or should that be SOME feminists? Wouldn't want to risk lumping them with "evidence-based" feminists.

Of course, if that has been the purpose of the patriarchy, ruled by men for the benefit of men, for milennia, then it has seriously fucked up.

We can just browse through history to find not one, not two, but literally hundreds, thousands, of women with great power over men (and women) throughout the ages and not one person from this so-called male-dominated society, by men for men, did anything about it. For instance, Cleopatra, Nefertiti, Wu Zetian, Queen Anne, Sukda of Mandara, Veronica I, Catherine the Great, Anacaona of the Maguana, Lucrezia Borgia, Empress Liu, Kubaba, Sapho, Makeda (Queen of Sheba), Queen Elizabeth, Margaret fucking Thatcher etc, etc, etc, and that's just a fraction of the many women LEADERS in history.

For other women of influence, there's Marie Curie (obviously), Hellen Keller, Anne Frank, Emily Dickinson, ... Simone de Beauvoir. Wait, what? Our supposed male-dominated society allowed a feminist to grow in rank and influence, and even allowed her to write books to influence others? For something that has existed for the better part of 400,000 years, it sure is incompetent, and it sure hasn't learned from its mistakes since it apparently also allowed other feminists to follow suit. Feminists that were even more outspoken than de Beauvoir.

I mean, speaking contemporarily, whenever a social justice leaguer casually mentions the patriarchy as an all-encompassing dominating network, ruled by men FOR the benefit of men, all I think about is: what about Andrea Dworkin? What about Valerie Solanas? What about Robin Morgan? These were radical feminists that rose to prominence and actually became quite wealthy, and they had a great many followers under their wing as well. (Men and women alike.) The only one still alive of the three, Morgan, is considered a leader within the international feminist movement. Why the hell would a society that has its focus on male dominance and female subordination allow this to happen?

(And since we're on the subject, would a society like that truly let people like the FC(n) come to any sort of power [even if that power is on a "blogger's salary"]? [Which to be perfectly frank, "blogger's salary" and Benson shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence, the plagiarizing parasite.])

The answer is plain: it wouldn't. Because there is no patriarchy. The patriarchy is just a convenient excuse for them to confirm their own biases.

[Dick Strawkins]

Wow. Give Twatson money and she will tell you her favourite beer.

The value adds just roll on.

Why should I pay good money just to hear her say "All of them"?

That was painful to watch. Even she seemed embarrassed by it.
I've said before that she is a one trick pony - she functions in a panel setting where the others allow her play the past of the joker - as on SGU.
Even there I'm not sure that we're getting the full picture. My impression is that Steve Novella is a bit of an obsessive regarding editing the recorded shows into the finished SGU episodes. I suspect there's a lot of stuff that ends up, metaphorically, on the cutting room floor. The evidence from her non-SGU performances suggests that you would be getting a distinctly biased view of her comic ability if you only knew her from the SGU. The episodes where Steve can't really cut her out (such as those recorded at conventions), tend to have more dodgy or plain unfunny Rebbeca-isms - for example at DragonCon 2011, when she called Bob Novella a 'twat' during the recording. And yes, this was at the same time when she was whining to near and far that ERV had been so cruel to call her 'Twatson'.

In the video above she comes across, not so much as boring, but instead really ordinary.
Why would anyone want to watch this?

It is not as if she has not had an interesting life that she can draw upon for her videos. Those of us who photoshop regularly will have long since found the skepchicks flickr account, from where we choose various pictures containing facial expressions that fit whatever pitshop we are doing. But in doing so you will realize that that account is basically a weird overview of skeptic groups across the US, Europe and Australia/New Zealand - where Watson appears, Zelig-like, at various social events over the past decade.
She has lived in various places in the US and the UK, made acquaintances with enormous numbers of well known people on the fringes of skepticism and the entertainment industry (Jon Ronson, Tim Minchin etc).
So there is material not accessible to the general public she can draw on for her shows - rather than bland supermarket tips on saving a couple of dollars when buying beer.
Can you imagine the material that a genuine racontuer could produce from that decade of partying?

[ianfc]

Said trans stuff

During the Dr V stuff I tried to get some understanding of trans issues but got ruly confused.I came across an interesting flavour of trans people though, truscum, I gather these folk do believe Dr V was a troubled man. Only an urban dict definition. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... id=7495095 Neutrois is also interesting.

[Tribble]

Aren't all current brand of Absinthe fake, so to speak? I mean, haven't all the Magic Green Fairy juice's active ingredients been removed? I thought true Absinthe was illegal the world over now? No? Yes? Anyone know for sure?

I thought all the bullshit about Absinthe having psychoactive ingredients had been dispelled. It's just booze.

Real absinthe contains "thujones" which are psychoactive in moderate amounts and toxic in large amounts.
I think there is a difference between a beer, wine, or Scotch buzz and there is even more difference between a mescal/tequila or an Absinthe buzz.

There was so little that it didn't actually produce a change in affect. Just like eating a poppy seed bagel isn't going to make you high, even though if you poppy seed bagels, you can ingest trace amount of opiates and come up positive for opiates. http://www.bidmc.org/YourHealth/Therape ... kID=156998

The Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) conducted a study that examined the results of 317,500 urine specimens that were tested for opiates and reviewed by three Medical Review Officer (MRO) groups, as well as 1.1 million specimens from five certified laboratories. The MRO’s reportedly reversed 87% of all the positive urinalysis test results due to false positives attributed to poppy seed ingestion, prescription medication, or other reasons.

It really was all about fucking with the Bohemians and their sexually promiscuous, hard-drinking, experimenting, non-conforming lifestyles, for whom it was their 'favorite' alcoholic beverage.

[Tribble]

Not in trace amounts if you drink enough-pussy.

Yes, but I expect you'll be dead from alcohol poisoning before you start seeing fairies. Unless you have a mirror.

Exactly.

[ianfc]

I feel I need a really big dose of gender theory 101.

[Tribble]

My husband got told by a friends-lister: "IF YOU FIND THIS FUNNY THEN GET THE FUCK OUT OF My LIFE" about a picture of John Bieber with some criminal who looked like he was going to rape him or some shit like that. (Pic not included). I'm amazed by the way these people cut off all their moderate friends with such... perfectness.

I tend to take that advice and chalk it up to my making a mistake in friend selection. No flouncing or drama queening, either. I just move on.

[Tribble]

I don't know if we need to run a Slymepit conference that runs alongside theirs. It should probably be 1.00am- 1.00am the next day, one long video facepalm.

This would be awesome, even if it's just a chat room or something.

Has Vacula been e-begging for us to fund his internet connection so he can "attend" this yet?

Speaking of Justin, is he dead, he hasn't been self-promoting on here for a long time?

He's playing video poker.

[Jan Steen]

Friday, January 31
5:00pm
Welcome / Orientation- Jason Thiebealt gives a short introduction from a pokey little back bedroom with loads of laundry piled up in the background.
6:00pm
Panromantic and Demisexual- A hipsters guide to inventing pretentious adjectives.
7:00pm
Cheetos, Mountain Dew and Turkey Dinosaurs- Stephanie Zvan discusses the health benefits of our 3 most important sources of nutrition and the patriarchal conspiracy to demonise them.
8:00pm
'You Fucking Cunt'- Ophelia Benson shares her harrowing tale of a recurring dream.
8:00pm
How To Lose Friends and Alienate People- Aron Ra on his recent feminist meltdown.
9:00pm
'La La La La La, Not Listening' - How to spot an impending debate and what you can do to avoid it.
10:00pm
Black in Town. - How to make the skeptic community more accesible to coloured folk. With PZ Myers, Jen Mcreight, Greta Christina and Matt Dillahunty.
11:00pm
In Defence of Atheism Plus or Why I am Nevertheless a Genius. - Dr. Richard Carrier PhD.
12:00pm
Poetry/Slam - First-Half: Various feminist women recite Yemisi Ilesamni recites hilarious topical poetry in an avant garde, confrontational style.
Second-Half: Men volunteer to slam their balls in a door in reparation for the glass ceiling to make the poetry stop.

FTFY

[bhoytony]

Watching what you say the SJL way.

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dongiovanni (Now onto Wagner)
25 January 2014 at 6:46 pm (UTC -6)

Those baked potatoes sound very agreeable indeed. Bacon…
In other news, I has brioche ready to go into the oven, and it occurs to me at this point that gluten intolerance must be deeply depressing.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-743897

CaitieCat suspects this use may be trivialising depression and has the whiff of ableism

493
CaitieCat
25 January 2014 at 6:52 pm (UTC -6)

If I might gently suggest, dongiovanni, perhaps a gluten intolerance is more likely to be “saddening” or “frustrating” than depressing, no? And I mean it in that sense, a gentle suggestion, along the lines of the ableist nature of calling people “crazy” and so on. In no way a requirement, or even a mandate, merely raising the question of whether it isn’t a bit trivializing of what being depressed is, to suggest that it might be the result of being sad over not being able to enjoy bread products?
<snip>

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-743902

All is well though, dongiovanni doesn't tell CaitieCat to fuck off.

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dongiovanni (Now onto Wagner)
25 January 2014 at 7:28 pm (UTC -6)

It’s quite alright, and I’ll keep an eye on the language I use in future. As you can see, my social skills leave more than a little to be desired, so apologies again if I’ve done anything else unpleasant.
<snip>

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-743930

Why doesn't he point her to Wikipedia and tell her to fuck off?

Depressed mood is not always a psychiatric disorder. It may also be a normal reaction to certain life events

[ianfc]

Australia/New Zealand

I am fucking appalled.

[Dick Strawkins]

Australia/New Zealand

I am fucking appalled.

Ooops! Sorry...

Australia/Hobbit-land

[ianfc]

I think dongiovanni would like a good spanking or better still a good whipping.

[Guest]

Satire or has betsy watsy officially become a business model? You decide.

[youtube]OfRXLVz9Xp0[/youtube]

[ianfc]

Satire or has betsy watsy officially become a business model? You decide.

[youtube]OfRXLVz9Xp0[/youtube]

"I confronted him with a tweet" This must be a classic.

[Jan Steen]

The Crazy Old Lady Down the Street (and Witches) have also been blamed for disappearing and harming Children over the years, which is a euphemism for Male Abuse and a scapegoat for Men who are surely doing these things and avoiding Blame. Just like the Boogey Man, and the Monster Under the Bed, and the Dread Stranger we are not supposed to take candy from — these are all euphemisms for men’s known propensity, Globally and across time, to abduct, rape and murder Children. However one does wonder whether Older Women who have seen it all and who are responding by Removing themselves from Harm (the best they can) are perhaps Culling male children, in some tiny fraction of the numbers that Violent Males are torturing and murdering both Girls and Boys. It would make perfect sense if they were, and they would be doing us all a Huge Favor. It is something to think about.

Poe?

http://witchwind.wordpress.com/2014/01/ ... /#comments

[Brive1987]

In 7 years of listening to skeptical podcasts I have never really seen (heard) Watson perform well. She has always been the one-line only snark / quip person, hired for her gender, novelty value and because she could provide a modicum of sassiness missing from Evan et al.

Her pop culture segments have all the depth of a high school student exercising their google-flu.

I've noted a recent shift in SGU towards less latitude being extended her way. We can only hope she does a Caine.

She admits to breaking her no booze weekday pledge to get some Dutch courage for SGU night. Does anyone really believe it stops at 1?

No, she fell into her central role in the schism by accident and has never and will never rise to such heights of relevance.

BTW Chiefwhatshisname should get a fucking medal for s/h/it's timely Caine strike. A stroke of genius breaking that camel's back in a well considered play.

The smell, you know that gasoline smell, the whole hill. Smelled like. [sniffing, pondering]. victory. Someday this war's gonna end...

[Tigzy]

Wow. Give Twatson money and she will tell you her favourite beer.

The value adds just roll on.

Why should I pay good money just to hear her say "All of them"?

That was painful to watch. Even she seemed embarrassed by it.
I've said before that she is a one trick pony - she functions in a panel setting where the others allow her play the past of the joker - as on SGU.
Even there I'm not sure that we're getting the full picture. My impression is that Steve Novella is a bit of an obsessive regarding editing the recorded shows into the finished SGU episodes. I suspect there's a lot of stuff that ends up, metaphorically, on the cutting room floor. The evidence from her non-SGU performances suggests that you would be getting a distinctly biased view of her comic ability if you only knew her from the SGU. The episodes where Steve can't really cut her out (such as those recorded at conventions), tend to have more dodgy or plain unfunny Rebbeca-isms - for example at DragonCon 2011, when she called Bob Novella a 'twat' during the recording. And yes, this was at the same time when she was whining to near and far that ERV had been so cruel to call her 'Twatson'.

In the video above she comes across, not so much as boring, but instead really ordinary.
Why would anyone want to watch this?

It is not as if she has not had an interesting life that she can draw upon for her videos. Those of us who photoshop regularly will have long since found the skepchicks flickr account, from where we choose various pictures containing facial expressions that fit whatever pitshop we are doing. But in doing so you will realize that that account is basically a weird overview of skeptic groups across the US, Europe and Australia/New Zealand - where Watson appears, Zelig-like, at various social events over the past decade.
She has lived in various places in the US and the UK, made acquaintances with enormous numbers of well known people on the fringes of skepticism and the entertainment industry (Jon Ronson, Tim Minchin etc).
So there is material not accessible to the general public she can draw on for her shows - rather than bland supermarket tips on saving a couple of dollars when buying beer.
Can you imagine the material that a genuine racontuer could produce from that decade of partying?

I could hardly stand a minute of it - and people are paying for this? Don't they know they can get this type of thing for free? Seriously, go and try to talk with a disinterested bored shopgirl for five minutes - it'll be exactly the same experience.

Why the FUCK are dumb shits PAYING her for this SHITE?

Jesus.

[Brive1987]

Re FtB Con. Reading the phone book of "speaker" names, my heart sunk when I saw Robert Price. I can only hope it's only because Carrier called a favour.

I don't recognise a lot of the other names. Take for instance Erin Bilyeu, Biodorks sister who wrote a guest post a year or two ago. The force is weak with this one ....

[BarnOwl]

Off to drive 10 miles over skating-rink roads to do snow removal on a 40 acre property in subzero weather for 4 hours.

It's great being me.

:bjarte:

Ugh. My sympathies. Sending you virtual vegan pounce-soup, gluten-free muffins, and a thermos of sustainably-harvested herbal tea.

[Dick Strawkins]

In 7 years of listening to skeptical podcasts I have never really seen (heard) Watson perform well. She has always been the one-line only snark / quip person, hired for her gender, novelty value and because she could provide a modicum of sassiness missing from Evan et al.

Her pop culture segments have all the depth of a high school student exercising their google-flu.

After she married Sid Rodriguez and moved to the UK for a couple of years she started her own podcase series and was also active in the Little Atoms podcast of the London skeptics.
Her recent foray into patreon videos and writing for Popular Science reminds me of her efforts at that time. The best way to describe it was ...meh... It wasn't terrible, but also it was far from impressive. Like you said above, her approach doesn't rise above that of a high school student doing a project, and who uses wikipeda as their entire source. Even then she seems to be simply trying for a passing grade rather than an A.

[Dick Strawkins]

Re FtB Con. Reading the phone book of "speaker" names, my heart sunk when I saw Robert Price. I can only hope it's only because Carrier called a favour.

I don't recognise a lot of the other names. Take for instance Erin Bilyeu, Biodorks sister who wrote a guest post a year or two ago. The force is weak with this one ....

Alexander Gonzalez
Amy Davis Roth
Andi McClure
Andy Cheadle-Ford
Angie Jackson
Ania Bula
Anne Sauer
Aron Ra
Ashley Hamer
Autumn Nicole Bradley
Benny S
Beth Voight
Brianne Bilyeu
Chana Messinger
Charles Stross
Chelsea DuFresne
Chris Pederson
Cindy Cooper
Courtney Caldwell
Curtis Penfold
Dale McGowan
Dan Fincke
Dan Linford
Daniel Samuelson
Edward Bartow
Elyse Anders
Erin Bilyeu
Georgina Capetillo
Gordon Maples
Greta Christina
Heather McNamara
Heina Dadabhoy
HJ Hornbeck
Ian Cromwell
Jamila Bey
Jason Thibeault
Jen Peeples
Jess Whittlestone
Jesse Menard
Jodi Thibeault
Jojie Tiongco
Julia Galef
Justin Schieber
Kate Donovan
Kelley Freeman
Ken White
Kenneth Keng
Kim Rippere
Kim Veal
Kristine Chan
Kyle Borger
Lauren Lane
Lilandra Ra
Lux Pickel
MA Melby
Malia Bender
Marguerite de Leon
Marissa Torres Langseth
Michael Davis
Michael Nam
Miri Mogilevsky
Mitchell Greenbaum
Niki M
Noa Jones
Patty Guzikowski
Paul Fidalgo
Pecier Decierdo
Pepe Bawagan
PZ Myers
Raina Rhoades
Rebecca Hensler
Red Tani
Richard Carrier
Robert M. Price
Russell Glasser
Ryan Consell
Ryan Craig
Sarah Morehead
Sasha Pixlee
Scott Lohman
Shanon Nebo
Simon Keegans
Stephanie Zvan
Teresa McBain
Tomas Rawlings
Toren Atkinson
Vyckie Garrison
Yau Man Chan

How did they get Nora Jones?
;)

[BarnOwl]

<snip>

It is not as if she has not had an interesting life that she can draw upon for her videos. Those of us who photoshop regularly will have long since found the skepchicks flickr account, from where we choose various pictures containing facial expressions that fit whatever pitshop we are doing. But in doing so you will realize that that account is basically a weird overview of skeptic groups across the US, Europe and Australia/New Zealand - where Watson appears, Zelig-like, at various social events over the past decade.
She has lived in various places in the US and the UK, made acquaintances with enormous numbers of well known people on the fringes of skepticism and the entertainment industry (Jon Ronson, Tim Minchin etc).
So there is material not accessible to the general public she can draw on for her shows - rather than bland supermarket tips on saving a couple of dollars when buying beer.
Can you imagine the material that a genuine racontuer could produce from that decade of partying?

She's traveled to and/or lived in interesting places, and been around people who do or write interesting things, but she's so self-involved and lazy that she's gained nothing from it. That's pretty pathetic and sad, IMO. She could have parlayed the travel and interactions into a funny journal or series of humorous essays, or she could have made interview videos with interesting people she meets. I'm reminded of when PeeZus and the much-maligned and now-ostracized Bora were sent by ScienceBlogs to the Lindau meetings, the purpose of which is for young researchers to interact with established, well-known scientists (in particular Nobel laureates). PeeZus looked as if he was bored and sulking the whole time, because he wasn't the center of attention, but Bora made lots of short, informal video interviews with the attendees, men and women (in case you were thinking that he was there just to prey on young women) and posted them on his blog. To me that was very much a contrast in being a lazy self-involved blob vs. being an interactive, interested person, given the same opportunity for travel.

[rpguest]

This is for all those on here who seem to be doubting Caine's claims to be a true Native American. I found this video evidence, and I think this settles the matter.

[youtube]LzrOMXOJwjE[/youtube]

not white enough

She's the one on the left.

still not white enough :P

[guest]

In 7 years of listening to skeptical podcasts I have never really seen (heard) Watson perform well. She has always been the one-line only snark / quip person, hired for her gender, novelty value and because she could provide a modicum of sassiness missing from Evan et al.

Her pop culture segments have all the depth of a high school student exercising their google-flu.

After she married Sid Rodriguez and moved to the UK for a couple of years she started her own podcase series and was also active in the Little Atoms podcast of the London skeptics.
Her recent foray into patreon videos and writing for Popular Science reminds me of her efforts at that time. The best way to describe it was ...meh... It wasn't terrible, but also it was far from impressive. Like you said above, her approach doesn't rise above that of a high school student doing a project, and who uses wikipeda as their entire source. Even then she seems to be simply trying for a passing grade rather than an A.

Watson's handful of Littel Atoms shows were marked for a drop in intellectual quality. Leaning on the established cohosts who really do the research and read Chomsky, Doctorow and McEwan and instead preferring to read a crap self-penned sniggering poem about vibrators to Tim Minchin isn't contributing shit, imho.

Her Skepchick podcast series ran for the same minimum of eps - 9 in total and only had her doing the intros and outros, alternatively with Christmas indulgent get toghethers. The rest of the skepchicks did the donkey-work. Old eps can be found on Grooveshark & they're boring as ass.

she doesnt need to aim for an A grade. She has an asteroid named after her.

Funny her recent tweets call Buffalo 'shit' after on Buffalo Good she said that she hated London. Must be her own company.

thanks for tge Patreon link, I needed an enema. :)

[guest]

<snip>

It is not as if she has not had an interesting life that she can draw upon for her videos. Those of us who photoshop regularly will have long since found the skepchicks flickr account, from where we choose various pictures containing facial expressions that fit whatever pitshop we are doing. But in doing so you will realize that that account is basically a weird overview of skeptic groups across the US, Europe and Australia/New Zealand - where Watson appears, Zelig-like, at various social events over the past decade.
She has lived in various places in the US and the UK, made acquaintances with enormous numbers of well known people on the fringes of skepticism and the entertainment industry (Jon Ronson, Tim Minchin etc).
So there is material not accessible to the general public she can draw on for her shows - rather than bland supermarket tips on saving a couple of dollars when buying beer.
Can you imagine the material that a genuine racontuer could produce from that decade of partying?

She's traveled to and/or lived in interesting places, and been around people who do or write interesting things, but she's so self-involved and lazy that she's gained nothing from it. That's pretty pathetic and sad, IMO. She could have parlayed the travel and interactions into a funny journal or series of humorous essays, or she could have made interview videos with interesting people she meets. I'm reminded of when PeeZus and the much-maligned and now-ostracized Bora were sent by ScienceBlogs to the Lindau meetings, the purpose of which is for young researchers to interact with established, well-known scientists (in particular Nobel laureates). PeeZus looked as if he was bored and sulking the whole time, because he wasn't the center of attention, but Bora made lots of short, informal video interviews with the attendees, men and women (in case you were thinking that he was there just to prey on young women) and posted them on his blog. To me that was very much a contrast in being a lazy self-involved blob vs. being an interactive, interested person, given the same opportunity for travel.

'
because s/he wasn't the center of attention'

You nailed it. Why should they share the spotlight?

[Jan Steen]

Witchwind herself seems to believe that Tracy is genuine:

Anyway, Tracy responded to that, saying that one reason why they might have slaughtered women so madly and brutally for so long is that some women, (old? Young? Who knows) may have effectively culled young boys for women’s good. And I think that’s a very good point, because it’s perfectly plausible that some women did that, it’s very likely some women have always done that at all times and still do, especially very early in humanity before men progressively took over and installed their totalitarian dominance over women.

The unfolding discussion is ... interesting.

The talk of women culling children in general has me thinking about the mythology of the ‘witch’ of Hansel and Gretel. In all likelihood that witch was not a monstrous, luring, child-eating woman but a woman who had the knowledge of humane euthanasia who would be ‘given’ the child(ren) to spare them from a painful/suffering death from starvation, disease or rape. It is not a stretch to think that mothers knew where these women lived and would leave the children nearby knowing that the ‘witch’ would understand and do what was best.

That’s interesting. I think both are possible: either reversal or distortion of truth, that some women did take upon the task of culling / euthanising children for the good of women, although here specifically I was talking about culling boys for reasons of female survivalism from male violence, which is different from women having to kill / abort the children resulting from the constant marital rapes, regardless of sex.

For those who might wonder why we’re taking up this discussion on culling in particular, it started off here http://radicalresolution.wordpress.com/ ... /#comments

Yes of course and I like to think that women have done exactly that and for that exact reason – there is no other way I have been able to think of that could be as effective. My mom used to muse about ‘non-violent’ ways of reducing male aggression, but also about “picking them off”. Frankly I suspect that every woman has had the same thought at least once in her life and it follows that at least a few of them have acted upon it and not because they were/are ‘crazy’ or ‘jealous’ but because it is what is best for the survival of women.

These people make the Huggers look normal.

[zenbabe]

Wow. Give Twatson money and she will tell you her favourite beer.

The value adds just roll on.

[youtube]7x49FjzoMHg[/youtube]

There, now you can all see her face :)

Her face, which she very calmly, and in that sarcastic tone, her only tone, points out is not made up at all. And her hair, which, as she tells her patreons, who paid (at some point) to be told this and to look at her, she hasn't washed in a couple of days.

"Only the best for -you-", she says, in a mocking tone.

:lol:

Her customers.. I mean, Johns.. I mean, her patreons, are masochists.

Anyway, that beer she's drinking I have not had, but as I also enjoy craft beers, I am certain it is on the spendy side. All the ones she likes are the spendy and crafty, and mine are too. But those high alcohol beers knock me on my ass, and fast. Shockingly fast. One and a half bottles of a double bock and I was.. hooboy. Though I don't drink to get drunk (because I can't tolerate hangovers anymore), I like the taste and drink often enough to have a reasonable tolerance, but those beers, they pounce. You're fine one minute and the next you are not. It's a pouncesurprisedrunkrape. My guess is she doesn't have a similar difficulty.

I remember just a couple months ago, she couldn't afford christmas presents or decorations?
And it was so sad.
She needed patreons.
And now she gets to drink her craft beers.
Whew.