Bleeding from the Bunghole

[real horrorshow]

Oh, and FYI to the non-American viewers of that purity film: Colorado Springs is like the most creepy uptight Christian town in America. Like the underground town in A BOY AND HIS DOG.

I'd sort of guessed that, from the hotel being called Broadmoor

[Cold]

Social Sciences are part of STEM.

Sociology is a soft baby science, much like psychology. Too soft as of right now to be of any real application.

[VAXherd]

Social Sciences are part of STEM.

Um, no. The 'S' stands for the hard sciences.

There are posters up in our Psychology Department to get more women into STEM. They mean us.

Also, if I may invoke my "lived experience," Sociologists are generally much better scientists than Physicists. The stuff my boss got away with at NASA wouldn't have lasted ten minutes in a Soc Dept. colloquium. I know that sounds odd, but we have to be better because our data is that much harder to work with and there's that much less of it. The charged particles around Venus never decided to do something silly while they were in our instrument, just to see what would happen.

[welch]

Fellow USAFag reporting in, when did you get out and what was your AFSC?

'93, 45773C, Defensive Avionics on B-1Bs

I can't believe they still have B-1s around in the active. Those things are ancient as shit, and they're always breaking.

Um, they came online in the early-mid 80s, and are actually pretty reliable. Much cheaper to use than fucking B-52s, and carry more, per plane, than a B-52 or a B-2. They're only about 10 years older than the B-2 in terms of last B-1B to first B-2

[Cold]

Is anyone kind of stumped by the whole idea of privilege? I get it as a sociological concept, but it has almost zero application. How is it measured or observed?

It fails to take into account the individual. ....

Indeed.

But you might be interested in these articles on the topic: a post by philosopher Jeremy Stangroom, a New Statesman article, and a post by an editor of, apparently, a group of women’s magazines.

Thanks I'll give it a look.

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/4032/iij2.png

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/5559/osrg.png

Top fucking lel

[welch]

I believe there is a line, and I am first. You can't rape me, no matter what you do. I TRIPLE DOG DARE YOU TO TRY

Two questions. Is a Triple dog available as a strap-on? And are you Jewish? -- i haven't drawn up that part of the flow chart yet.

I have a limited command of yiddish profanity?

[Garlic]

Is anyone kind of stumped by the whole idea of privilege? I get it as a sociological concept, but it has almost zero application. How is it measured or observed?

It's measured as 1 - discrimination.

"Privilege" is the status of not being subject to a given form of discrimination. If you accept that some discrimination exists, then you also automatically accept that privilege exists, by definition. There must be some people who are not subject to the discrimination - otherwise it wouldn't be a discrimination!

The difficulty is to show that the discrimination is real - i.e. people are being discriminated solely due to their being member of a given group, rather than as a consequence of their actions or behavior. There are ways to do that, like the good old trick of sending the exact same CV with either a girl or a guy's name on it. If you want to measure more basic reactions, you can also try stuff like the Implicit Association Test.

Of course, these methods are no always used carefully (understatement).

It fails to take into account the individual. What if I'm a white person in a country that hates white people? Am I still privileged then?

If they can enforce discrimination on you (eg you're not massively richer than the local population), then you bet you're not - and they are.

Fun fact: ethnic Pathans / Pashtuns / Afghanis are basically white, but suffer prejudice and discrimination in Pakistan, where the dominant ethnic groups (e.g. Punjabis) have distinctly darker skin.

What if I'm a woman who was hired on the basis of being a woman?

You'd need to look at the chances offered in the society overall. Is there a clear overall imbalance of people being more likely to be hired in "coveted" positions just because of belonging to a specific gender, or not? Of course, that's something that you'd need to test empirically, rather than just assuming an answer.

There's no Big Bad pulling the strings behind the scenes to purposely fuck minorities / oppressed people over; we're a bunch of individuals and we all act on our individual biases and preferences.

Do you have a link to anyone who ever claimed otherwise?

You seem to assume that the sum of all individual biases and preference should "cancel out" each other, and so no societal bias could exist without some big malevolent overlord enforcing it. I don't see why that would be the case. If there are correlations among the biases of people within various classes, and classes differ in prominence, the overall effect would be a strong net societal bias in one direction - that of the majority's biases.

No?

This kind of shit is why I stuck to STEM.

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/09/14/1211286109

[bhoytony]

Don't know if this has been put out already but an "interview" with Shermer:

http://buffalobeast.com/interview-with- ... more-17757

Wow, I hope that fuckwit gets hammered by Shermer's lawyers too.

[VAXherd]

Social Sciences are part of STEM.

Sociology is a soft baby science, much like psychology. Too soft as of right now to be of any real application.

Minimal offense intended, but: How would you know?

[Matt]

PZ Myers is a despicable piece of shit. His time has long been coming. I really hope he gets sued hard.

[free thoughtpolice]

Don't know if this has been put out already but an "interview" with Shermer:

http://buffalobeast.com/interview-with- ... more-17757

Wow, I hope that fuckwit gets hammered by Shermer's lawyers too.

Note that an allegation that Shermer has a conviction for "harassment" in Washington (State?) is made in the comments.
More work for Shermer's lawyers?

[ReneeHendricks]

Don't know if this has been put out already but an "interview" with Shermer:

http://buffalobeast.com/interview-with- ... more-17757

Wow, I hope that fuckwit gets hammered by Shermer's lawyers too.

Note that an allegation that Shermer has a conviction for "harassment" in Washington (State?) is made in the comments.
More work for Shermer's lawyers?

That would be Dawn Gordon, stalker, and her insane delusions :) She's reading my Twitter timeline and following me around again.

[Ä uest]

So the holy hand grenade page has now been up 8 days, and has survived two days past the C&D order.

I admit I am surprised and while I certainly hope PeeZus loses in the long run, I have to wonder if he hasn't won

Round 1 (putting up the page and spreading the defamation)
Round 2 (surviving the C&D and spreading notions of martyrdom and exile)

I cannot imagine the legal theories we've heard at his forum (or other fora including Scalzi's) being anywhere close to the truth, but I dunno, maybe it's closer than I had thought.

[Cold]

It's measured as 1 - discrimination.

"Privilege" is the status of not being subject to a given form of discrimination. If you accept that some discrimination exists, then you also automatically accept that privilege exists, by definition. There must be some people who are not subject to the discrimination - otherwise it wouldn't be a discrimination!

The difficulty is to show that the discrimination is real - i.e. people are being discriminated solely due to their being member of a given group, rather than as a consequence of their actions or behavior. There are ways to do that, like the good old trick of sending the exact same CV with either a girl or a guy's name on it. If you want to measure more basic reactions, you can also try stuff like the Implicit Association Test.

Of course, these methods are no always used carefully (understatement).

My point is that these are individual examples and thus not always indicative of the whole of humanity. I have no doubts that concepts like privilege and discrimination exist, but if something is indeed to be done about it on a mass scale, like the SJW's suggest, then measuring the reactions of an employer to a female Curriculum Vitae falls woefully short of the kind of data needed to have application to a supposed "science" of this scope.

This is my main problem with "sciences" like sociology and psychology. Surveys are not science.

If they can enforce discrimination on you (eg you're not massively richer than the local population), then you bet you're not - and they are.

Fun fact: ethnic Pathans / Pashtuns / Afghanis are basically white, but suffer prejudice and discrimination in Pakistan, where the dominant ethnic groups (e.g. Punjabis) have distinctly darker skin.

But I daily enforce discriminations (not institutionalized, but in my mind rather) that would to some seem completely random and nonsensical, but to others entirely justified. Failing to take into account the non-typical discrimination renders the kind of whining of SJW's fairly meaningless. The examples in my original post still hold true.

Unless there's a rigorous system used to measure discrimination in all its forms, the impact of said discrimination, and to come up with a plan on how to correct it, this kind of social justice whining suffers the same problem as the field of psychology: incredibly and amazingly interesting, but little to no serious application.

Psychology in particular fascinates me but I also don't pretend it's anything but a soft science.

You'd need to look at the chances offered in the society overall. Is there a clear overall imbalance of people being more likely to be hired in "coveted" positions just because of belonging to a specific gender, or not? Of course, that's something that you'd need to test empirically, rather than just assuming an answer.

And that it's not being tested empirically on humanity as a whole is my main gripe. It's localized and is being used by predominantly middle-class white women with internet access to bemoan their perceived oppression by rich white males.

Do you have a link to anyone who ever claimed otherwise?

Not stated explicitly but that's the kind of idea I get from reading the comments section of Pharyngula. It's like they think they're living in a movie and The White Male Institution is the Big Bad.

You seem to assume that the sum of all individual biases and preference should "cancel out" each other, and so no societal bias could exist without some big malevolent overlord enforcing it. I don't see why that would be the case. If there are correlations among the biases of people within various classes, and classes differ in prominence, the overall effect would be a strong net societal bias in one direction - that of the majority's biases.

No?

Not that they cancel each other out, but that the entire matter is a couple too many shades of gray for anything to be really done about it. To me it's equivalent to trying to come up with an objective system of morality. It's just not going to work. Too many variables and it's inherently subjective.

I don't mean to sound defeatist about this but I guess defeatist is the best way to describe my view on it. I have a frighteningly defeatist attitude about it, because it all really boils down to "shit happens". Which of course doesn't stop me from having my own personal system of morals that I daily impose upon others, but I am at least patently self-aware about my own system of morals' hypocrisy and subjectivity.

It's like I know better, but I just don't give a shit!

I'm more than happy to personally see to it that I inflict my own punishments on a person kicking a puppy on the sidewalk in front of me, because I love puppies and in my opinion it's wrong to kick them. But let's not all pretend for a moment that any of us really gives a shit about people outside our own scope of friends and family. If we took the time to care about every single injustice we would go insane.

http://www.liv.ac.uk/researchintelligen ... easer.html

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/09/14/1211286109

I'm well aware of the chilly STEM atmosphere towards women.

[Kevin Solway]

Maybe it's closer than I had thought.

It's probably taking longer than expected to add up all the damages.

[Cold]

Social Sciences are part of STEM.

Sociology is a soft baby science, much like psychology. Too soft as of right now to be of any real application.

Minimal offense intended, but: How would you know?

Uh oh, did I ring the bell of Pavlov's Dogs?

Psychology major detected!

[Ä uest]

Maybe it's closer than I had thought.

It's probably taking longer than expected to add up all the damages.

I hope that's it.

My non-lawyer understanding makes it out to be open and shut and PZ having lawyers that would tell him to immediately retract.

So that's been dashed, which I understand means nothing in reality, ...

[The Tim Channel]

Oh, and FYI to the non-American viewers of that purity film: Colorado Springs is like the most creepy uptight Christian town in America. Like the underground town in A BOY AND HIS DOG.

I'd sort of guessed that, from the hotel being called Broadmoor

First order of business. Studly points awarded for proper use of Boy and His Dog and identifying my arcane references.

I expect you nailed that pretty well on the head, though if the full story be told, back when I was in the Air Force (somebody mentioned USAF earlier) doing my AFSC 67251 routine, the Christians hadn't yet moved in and the hippies hadn't yet moved out. They all moved there back in the 60's when there was a rumor California was going to slide into the sea and the only safe place would be Pikes Peak. When I was stationed there it was claimed that Manitou Springs had the highest per capita heroin use in the US. In any event, marijuana was already decriminalized way back then. It was a hundred dollar traffic ticket for up to an ounce IIRC. Enforcement was lax as shit on base for a couple reasons. One, the military tends to mirror the local laws since the soldiers spend a fair amount of their off time off base. Second, they hadn't developed an effective piss test for pot. We had operation "Golden Flow" a couple times where they did random drug testing, but they were screening for heroin. It was close enough after the end of Nam there were still a lot of heroin junkies in the ranks. Half the returning troops were heroin users. Third, you could get a contact high walking through the military police dorms they were sucking so much cheeba. I had an enlisted SP from my home town tell me that his CO told them if they got crazy and started busting GI's in the dorms he was gonna crack down doubly hard on them. It was good times back in the late 1970's and then Reagan. And the rise of the Christianists in Colorado Springs. The daily calls from Ted Haggard to GW Bush until Haggard got caught snorting meth off a gay escort who outed him because it hurt his conscious so bad. Imagine being so vile you disgust a gay hooker? Anyway, I reckon Ted's passing probably lessened some of the freakishness, but I haven't been there in decades. Enjoy.

[Cold]

Maybe it's closer than I had thought.

It's probably taking longer than expected to add up all the damages.

I hope that's it.

My non-lawyer understanding makes it out to be open and shut and PZ having lawyers that would tell him to immediately retract.

So that's been dashed, which I understand means nothing in reality, ...

Even when you think it's an open-and-shut case, matters of law rarely develop quickly.

Anyone catch the story in the news today about a man being sent to jail for 3 years awaiting evidence to be collected that he stabbed his wife to death? He was just released after it was ruled there wasn't enough evidence to charge him, and they now think the wounds were self-inflicted, as well as finding that there were enough drugs in her system to kill her had she not stabbed herself to death.

That's 3 years of someone's life spent in jail after their wife commits suicide. The judicial system isn't perfect, but we have it for a reason, and hopefully if he's innocent he gets a hefty compensation.

[Sulman]

Maybe it's closer than I had thought.

It's probably taking longer than expected to add up all the damages.

I hope that's it.

My non-lawyer understanding makes it out to be open and shut and PZ having lawyers that would tell him to immediately retract.

So that's been dashed, which I understand means nothing in reality, ...

These things take time. If Myers wasn't concerned he would scarcely be able to stop himself gloating, as it is, he's pretty circumspect by his standards, allowing himself some passive-aggressive references.

[The Tim Channel]

Those who play atheist insider baseball will already be aware of the take over of the US Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs by the forces of right wing Christianists. They were dogging the hell out some poor Jewish kid. I remember reading about it years ago. Enjoy.

[VAXherd]

Uh oh, did I ring the bell of Pavlov's Dogs?

Psychology major detected!

Sociology, Ph.D. My day job was in Space Plasma Physics.

What's your background?

Surveys are not science.

This is gonna take a while.

Let's start with the easiest thing: You do know that what the SJWs are spouting is not what real Social Scientists do. Right?

[free thoughtpolice]

It's almost like WW2 over my house right now. There has been a Harvard bomber and a couple of 40's vintage fighters flying around.

[Cold]

What's your background?

Biology.

Surveys are not science.

This is gonna take a while.

Let's start with the easiest thing: You do know that what the SJWs are spouting is not what real Social Scientists do. Right?[/quote]

Yes.

[Hunt]

So the holy hand grenade page has now been up 8 days, and has survived two days past the C&D order.

I admit I am surprised and while I certainly hope PeeZus loses in the long run, I have to wonder if he hasn't won

Round 1 (putting up the page and spreading the defamation)
Round 2 (surviving the C&D and spreading notions of martyrdom and exile)

I cannot imagine the legal theories we've heard at his forum (or other fora including Scalzi's) being anywhere close to the truth, but I dunno, maybe it's closer than I had thought.

The more the rumors and innuendo spread, the more damages can be attributed to the original post by Myers. I have no idea to what extend Shermer's lawyers can pin increasing damages on ancillary reports (so Shermer can obtain multiple settlements from different sources), but it's possible Shermer might be able to retire a very wealthy man from this. If FtB keeps stoking the fire, it's eventually going to become easy to prove that his entire career has been ruined by this event.

[Rope apologist]

So the holy hand grenade page has now been up 8 days, and has survived two days past the C&D order.

I admit I am surprised and while I certainly hope PeeZus loses in the long run, I have to wonder if he hasn't won

Round 1 (putting up the page and spreading the defamation)
Round 2 (surviving the C&D and spreading notions of martyrdom and exile)

I cannot imagine the legal theories we've heard at his forum (or other fora including Scalzi's) being anywhere close to the truth, but I dunno, maybe it's closer than I had thought.

The more the rumors and innuendo spread, the more damages can be attributed to the original post by Myers. I have no idea to what extend Shermer's lawyers can pin increasing damages on ancillary reports (so Shermer can obtain multiple settlements from different sources), but it's possible Shermer might be able to retire a very wealthy man from this. If FtB keeps stoking the fire, it's eventually going to become easy to prove that his entire career has been ruined by this event.

I don't know who's winning or losing, although I obviously hope that Shermer is--unless he's guilty, for which I lack credible evidence. Shermer makes it sound like things are proceeding, however, and that others are in jeopardy:

I haven’t been charged with anything. An anonymous woman told another anonymous woman to tell PZ Myers that I raped her at some unspecified time in the past at some unspecified conference which was alleged reported to unspecified persons who allegedly covered up whatever it is I allegedly did. You print that and you are party to defamation along with Myers. My attorneys are keeping track of everything that could amount to damages to my reputation, and in the court of public opinion it doesn’t matter if the claim is completely made up, people will just believe it. That’s why we have laws against libel and defamation and why no good editor at Salon or anywhere else you would submit such a story would ever run it because they would then open themselves up to libel. In any case, any publication of any substance would have it vetted by an attorney first, who would remind them and you of the ethics of journalism and the law against defamation.

Quote and hackneyed mindless commentary found at: http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... er-speaks/

Brave words, or moving along? At least I don't see any reason why Holy Peezus, He Who is Above the Pettiness of Evidence, has won thus far.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

It's almost like WW2 over my house right now. There has been a Harvard bomber and a couple of 40's vintage fighters flying around.

Many years ago, I heard four loud engines and ran out my door to see a B-17 smack over my house and just a few 100 ft high. A few minutes later a B-24 followed.

Turned out they were on their landing run for a local air show.

[JAB]

So the holy hand grenade page has now been up 8 days, and has survived two days past the C&D order.

I admit I am surprised and while I certainly hope PeeZus loses in the long run, I have to wonder if he hasn't won

Round 1 (putting up the page and spreading the defamation)
Round 2 (surviving the C&D and spreading notions of martyrdom and exile)

I cannot imagine the legal theories we've heard at his forum (or other fora including Scalzi's) being anywhere close to the truth, but I dunno, maybe it's closer than I had thought.

The more the rumors and innuendo spread, the more damages can be attributed to the original post by Myers. I have no idea to what extend Shermer's lawyers can pin increasing damages on ancillary reports (so Shermer can obtain multiple settlements from different sources), but it's possible Shermer might be able to retire a very wealthy man from this. If FtB keeps stoking the fire, it's eventually going to become easy to prove that his entire career has been ruined by this event.

I don't think anybody but the lawyers are going to come out with money. PZ doesn't have that much, and his horde is too ineffectual to have jobs.

[Ä uest]

So the holy hand grenade page has now been up 8 days, and has survived two days past the C&D order.

I admit I am surprised and while I certainly hope PeeZus loses in the long run, I have to wonder if he hasn't won

Round 1 (putting up the page and spreading the defamation)
Round 2 (surviving the C&D and spreading notions of martyrdom and exile)

I cannot imagine the legal theories we've heard at his forum (or other fora including Scalzi's) being anywhere close to the truth, but I dunno, maybe it's closer than I had thought.

The more the rumors and innuendo spread, the more damages can be attributed to the original post by Myers. I have no idea to what extend Shermer's lawyers can pin increasing damages on ancillary reports (so Shermer can obtain multiple settlements from different sources), but it's possible Shermer might be able to retire a very wealthy man from this. If FtB keeps stoking the fire, it's eventually going to become easy to prove that his entire career has been ruined by this event.

I don't know who's winning or losing, although I obviously hope that Shermer is--unless he's guilty, for which I lack credible evidence. Shermer makes it sound like things are proceeding, however, and that others are in jeopardy:

I haven’t been charged with anything. An anonymous woman told another anonymous woman to tell PZ Myers that I raped her at some unspecified time in the past at some unspecified conference which was alleged reported to unspecified persons who allegedly covered up whatever it is I allegedly did. You print that and you are party to defamation along with Myers. My attorneys are keeping track of everything that could amount to damages to my reputation, and in the court of public opinion it doesn’t matter if the claim is completely made up, people will just believe it. That’s why we have laws against libel and defamation and why no good editor at Salon or anywhere else you would submit such a story would ever run it because they would then open themselves up to libel. In any case, any publication of any substance would have it vetted by an attorney first, who would remind them and you of the ethics of journalism and the law against defamation.

Quote and hackneyed mindless commentary found at: http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... er-speaks/

Brave words, or moving along? At least I don't see any reason why Holy Peezus, He Who is Above the Pettiness of Evidence, has won thus far.

http://i.imgur.com/uAN8zOA.jpg

Basically for "round 1" and "round 2" all PeeZus needed to do was survive significantly past the C&D deadline.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

That "Shermer interview" is lame satire, no?

[Mykeru]

welch wrote:

Fuck, I wish I could claim blackouts. Make some of the stupid shit I did in college and the USAF go away

Fuck, I wish I could claim blackouts for the times I actually bought into the SJW narrative:P

Tell us about it. What made sense to you, and did you realize your IQ was bottoming out at the time?

[Rope apologist]

So the holy hand grenade page has now been up 8 days, and has survived two days past the C&D order.

I admit I am surprised and while I certainly hope PeeZus loses in the long run, I have to wonder if he hasn't won

Round 1 (putting up the page and spreading the defamation)
Round 2 (surviving the C&D and spreading notions of martyrdom and exile)

I cannot imagine the legal theories we've heard at his forum (or other fora including Scalzi's) being anywhere close to the truth, but I dunno, maybe it's closer than I had thought.

The more the rumors and innuendo spread, the more damages can be attributed to the original post by Myers. I have no idea to what extend Shermer's lawyers can pin increasing damages on ancillary reports (so Shermer can obtain multiple settlements from different sources), but it's possible Shermer might be able to retire a very wealthy man from this. If FtB keeps stoking the fire, it's eventually going to become easy to prove that his entire career has been ruined by this event.

I don't know who's winning or losing, although I obviously hope that Shermer is--unless he's guilty, for which I lack credible evidence. Shermer makes it sound like things are proceeding, however, and that others are in jeopardy:

I haven’t been charged with anything. An anonymous woman told another anonymous woman to tell PZ Myers that I raped her at some unspecified time in the past at some unspecified conference which was alleged reported to unspecified persons who allegedly covered up whatever it is I allegedly did. You print that and you are party to defamation along with Myers. My attorneys are keeping track of everything that could amount to damages to my reputation, and in the court of public opinion it doesn’t matter if the claim is completely made up, people will just believe it. That’s why we have laws against libel and defamation and why no good editor at Salon or anywhere else you would submit such a story would ever run it because they would then open themselves up to libel. In any case, any publication of any substance would have it vetted by an attorney first, who would remind them and you of the ethics of journalism and the law against defamation.

Quote and hackneyed mindless commentary found at: http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... er-speaks/

Brave words, or moving along? At least I don't see any reason why Holy Peezus, He Who is Above the Pettiness of Evidence, has won thus far.

Oh oh, that Shermer "quote" appears to be questionable, at the least.

That's what I get for trusting FTB

[welch]

It's almost like WW2 over my house right now. There has been a Harvard bomber and a couple of 40's vintage fighters flying around.

There's a plane full of people yelling about pahking the cah over your house?

[welch]

welch wrote:

Fuck, I wish I could claim blackouts. Make some of the stupid shit I did in college and the USAF go away

Fuck, I wish I could claim blackouts for the times I actually bought into the SJW narrative:P

Tell us about it. What made sense to you, and did you realize your IQ was bottoming out at the time?

I knew I was deep into drunken fucking idiot land the entire time. My roomates were rather impressed that I climbed in our kitchen window sans injury, managing to remove the screen and window without breaking it, and then going from balcony (2nd floor) to window to kitchen without breaking my fool neck.

I also did a lambada with half a BBQ chicken because someone dared me.

[bhoytony]

So Shermer sends an email describing the libel Myers has committed and tells that idiot at The Beast that if he prints it he will be party to defamation and his lawyers are keeping track. Then two brain donors on here repeat it again. Well done.

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

Introducing: Ophelia Benson

http://i.imgur.com/iBMqOZC.png

This is higher res: http://imgur.com/c1jBiW6

[windy]

Yikes. I almost feel bad for Sasha. He demonstrates some amount of guilt and then Twitter piles on and accuses him of being even worse than he thought he was.

Reminds me of the A+ thread where the girl writing an feminist essay for school was accused of silencing trans* people.

Also, hi all. Testing, testing 123.

I'll fuck off now.

Welcome! As long as you're here- is there a way to sign up for email updates for your blog?

[free thoughtpolice]

It's almost like WW2 over my house right now. There has been a Harvard bomber and a couple of 40's vintage fighters flying around.

Many years ago, I heard four loud engines and ran out my door to see a B-17 smack over my house and just a few 100 ft high. A few minutes later a B-24 followed.

Turned out they were on their landing run for a local air show.

That's the case here. The air show is tomorrow, so there's a bit of arriving and preliminary stuff going on.

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

I did not draw that cartoon, by the way. It's viz.co.uk

[VAXherd]

Let's start with the easiest thing: You do know that what the SJWs are spouting is not what real Social Scientists do. Right?

Yes.

Very good. The next thing is: Are you more interested in talking about the SJW carryings on, or in how social scientists actually handle the concept of privilege?

(I mentioned above that the most basic difference is that to a sociologist, privilege is part of a relationship or comparison between one or more people or groups, whereas for SJWs it's a direct property of individuals.)

[Matt Cavanaugh]

What types were the fighters?

[Sulman]

Murphy? The 'journalist' known for waving a plastic cock at some police officers? Isn't Zvan also playing a dangerous game publishing that email?

[Sulman]

What types were the fighters?

It might be the Commemorative Air Force. They're doing a lot of tours at the moment. Have a google - they have a wonderful fleet. They were here in Pittsburgh in June.

[luckergate]

That "Shermer interview" is lame satire, no?

That was my take.

[Cold]

Very good. The next thing is: Are you more interested in talking about the SJW carryings on, or in how social scientists actually handle the concept of privilege?

(I mentioned above that the most basic difference is that to a sociologist, privilege is part of a relationship or comparison between one or more people or groups, whereas for SJWs it's a direct property of individuals.)

The latter, obviously.

[EdwardGemmer]

Why couldn't Shermer just deny these charges? Couldn't he just have an attorney send a letter to PZ?

[AndrewV69]

http://i.imgur.com/Z8SrpeO.jpg
What if the MoC gets the WW drunk first?

CHECKMATE!!!

I was getting all excited and about to sign up for rape classes, and then this. I have to be a MOC first? I am one sad panda.

[Michael J]

I'm not a lawyer but have watched quite a few on TV. To me it's open and shut case of libel. I think that one of the reasons that nothing is happening is that it is under negotiation between the two lawyers. Now I think that Shermer is not really after the money but wants to hurt and humilate PZ enough that it will scare him and the rest of the SJW crew.
Now if I was PZ's lawyer I know that Shermer really wants the retraction and apology all the rest is just gravy. As a first gambit I would say - PZ will retract the post and comments and wont refer to it anymore but wont apologize and Shermer must renounce looking for any other damages.

Now PZs lawyer would know that this wont be acceptable but it gives PZ a minor victory by being able to ignore the deadline as the issue is being negotiated.

Now Shermer wont pull the trigger because he really wants PZ to humiliate himself and as long as it looks as though PZs lawyer is negotiating in good faith, Shermer wont do anything. My guess is that Monday is when we either see PZ capitulate or Shermer will lose his patience and it will really be on.

[real horrorshow]

I don't think anybody but the lawyers are going to come out with money. PZ doesn't have that much, and his horde is too ineffectual to have jobs.

Can't PeeZus and the Whored be sold into slavery, or for medical experiments?

[Sulman]

\ Now I think that Shermer is not really after the money but wants to hurt and humilate PZ enough that it will scare him and the rest of the SJW crew.

The lawyers will go for the money; and as much of it as possible. That benefits them the most, and also hurts the target.

[Guest]

Can't PeeZus and the Whored be sold into slavery, or for medical experiments?

Nerd's one true wish is for his body to be used as a way to provide EVIDENCE-based medicine.

[Guest]

I'm not a lawyer but have watched quite a few on TV. To me it's open and shut case of libel.

Sorry, mang, but I kinda had to lol.

[AndrewV69]

I'm ginger. Who am I allowed to "can't rape"?

I suspect you are allowed to beat a red-head stepchild but I am not certain about that. :doh:

[Early Cuyler]

It's almost like WW2 over my house right now. There has been a Harvard bomber and a couple of 40's vintage fighters flying around.

Cool! whereabouts do you live?

You see a lot of that at Chino airport in Riverside county.

[real horrorshow]

That "Shermer interview" is lame satire, no?

From which we learn Ian Murphy is a cunt.

[free thoughtpolice]

What types were the fighters?

I couldn't identify them. Kind of like a Spitfire only boxier.

[windy]

Now, this is getting interesting:

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[Parody Accountant]

I'm not a lawyer but have watched quite a few on TV. To me it's open and shut case of libel. I think that one of the reasons that nothing is happening is that it is under negotiation between the two lawyers. Now I think that Shermer is not really after the money but wants to hurt and humilate PZ enough that it will scare him and the rest of the SJW crew.
Now if I was PZ's lawyer I know that Shermer really wants the retraction and apology all the rest is just gravy. As a first gambit I would say - PZ will retract the post and comments and wont refer to it anymore but wont apologize and Shermer must renounce looking for any other damages.

Now PZs lawyer would know that this wont be acceptable but it gives PZ a minor victory by being able to ignore the deadline as the issue is being negotiated.

Now Shermer wont pull the trigger because he really wants PZ to humiliate himself and as long as it looks as though PZs lawyer is negotiating in good faith, Shermer wont do anything. My guess is that Monday is when we either see PZ capitulate or Shermer will lose his patience and it will really be on.

Slap it on a new poll. This is how I've felt since the clownfall's deathclock stopped ticking. THIS THIS THIS. CLICK.

[Tribble]

Rebecca Watson writes:

"I've shown my critic is a sex offender."

Hasn't anyone ever explained to Watson what a logical fallacy is?

Even if the fellow was once a sex offender, or a murderer, or a bank robber, or whatever, it doesn't mean he can't ever speak the truth.

I can just imagine Dawkins summing up his argument at the next Oxford debate, "I've shown my critic is a sex offender."

I looked up his crime, but didn't gather all the information to put it all together but what it looks like it might have been is that he was a teenage boy having sex with a teenage girl and charges got pressed. Something like this:

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. • Shane Sandborg isn't allowed to go near a school, park or playground. He can't go to many events with his two young sons. His housing and employment have been limited.

Sandborg is on Illinois' Sex Offender Registry. He was placed on the list because eight years ago, when he was 17, he got his 16-year-old girlfriend pregnant. Police found them together during the investigation of an unrelated burglary. She never made an allegation of force. Today he's married to another woman.

These are called 'Romeo and Juliet" sex offenders. Kids having sex, boy gets in trouble. When we lived in Nashville, we had one of those our neighborhood. A 15-year-old boy was fooling around with 16-year-old girl and knocked her up. Daddy went ballistic, he was arrested, admitted it to the cops, and now he's a sex offender. She's not, btw. Because of Patriarchy and shit.

And there are plenty of other things (which don't apply to this case) that'll turn you into a sex offender if some stick-in-the-ass makes a big deal out of it: Get drunk and pee in public (me). If you're a child and run outside naked, you're a sex offender (me).

I will say that these are RARE compared to the stuff that's on the sex-offender list and I'd say a good 95% of those on it deserve to be on it. But it does happen. And a quick, but non-in-depth look at the page made me think it was a possible Romeo & Juliet case. Not that St. Becky the Boozehound would have a clue, or care.

[Early Cuyler]

What types were the fighters?

I couldn't identify them. Kind of like a Spitfire only boxier.

Some of the later versions of the Spitfire had "clipped" wings. Could that be what you saw?