Bleeding from the Bunghole

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Walt: time stamp is a dead giveaway...

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Also, 8 posts away from my 4000th. What do I get?

[ROBOKiTTY]

Also, 8 posts away from my 4000th. What do I get?

Another basket of lynxes telling you to behave yourself. :snooty:

[Pagancat]

Jesus so many cats. Did I accidently wander into 4chan or is this caturday? Merry Catmas.

[Karmakin]

Um, I don't think fat men get a free pass. Fat men just have this ability to ignore or avoid insulting assholes, something feminists never do. There are plenty of photos of fat guys that draw the same sorts of "die" comments. She also womansplained life as a fat man while accusing microsoft engineers of "mansplaining" to fat women. :P

To this I will only note the kernel of truth. For example in America, the vast.. vasssssst... majority of comedy programing features a fat homely man and a skinny wife. I can only conclude that somewhere, maybe it's a Hollywood suits thought cult, maybe it's actually the audience, or a terrible union of both, but there's a preponderance of influential belief that generally in society it's more ok for a guy to be a fat slob than a woman. Don't know that it's true, but the belief is definitely there.

Perhaps I'm watching the ads for those shows with an overly critical eye, but I don't think so. As my only evidence I will bring up Will and Grace, who once had a moment in their show where they sat on a couch to watch tv, and it was *click*, and they both said "fat guy skinny wife" robotically, in unison, then again *click* "fatguyskinnywife", and again about three or four times. Then shut off the tv :D

Anyway, once you see something like that and draw conclusions, it can be terribly tempting to start seeing it _everywhere_, to the point of absurdity (and hilarity). But that's exactly an SJW's addiction, they can't get enough of hysteria and drama.

They are just awful!

Is that really the case?

I mean in terms of modern TV sitcoms that follow the fat guy skinny wife thing, you have what....King of Queens, The Simpsons, Seinfeld kinda had it for a while when it was focusing on the George/Susan relationship...but you know what. Nothing else comes to mind. There might be a lot of short-run series that followed that esthetic, but they're entirely forgettable.

If you're talking about homely guy attractive wife, then it opens it up a bit..but not THAT much. I guess it depends on what you see as homely. Ed O'Neil from Married With Children? Probably (although that show is a relationship dystopia). Is Ray Romano homely? Tim Allen? Probably not. (I'd actually argue that John Goodman from Roseanne, a show which doesn't fit at all, is actually extremely attractive for a larger man).

OK, I looked it up and there's a lot more than I thought, but at least to me that's still not a LOT. It's a good number, there's a few that come from large ensemble shows (so I'm not sure that they should be on the list), and a bunch that are from dramas (so they don't count for the sitcom meme). But still. There's about a half-dozen currently running shows, more or less that feature the trope. Which actually is a lot for any given period, but I don't think that it's an absurd number. It's something that's always been around, about 3-4 shows at any given time which feature that trope. And it makes sense why.

You probably should blame Jackie Gleeson for it. Basically it's a bunch of shows trying to emulate The Honeymooners.

[ROBOKiTTY]

Jesus so many cats. Did I accidently wander into 4chan or is this caturday? Merry Catmas.

Didn't you hear from Amanda Marcotte? Misogynists hate cats, and we're trying to clear up the Pit's reputation by turning into a feline cult.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Also, 8 posts away from my 4000th. What do I get?

Another basket of lynxes telling you to behave yourself. :snooty:

All words, no action!

[Pitchguest]

Speaking of Christmas, was anyone else sort of indifferent to the Who sendoff?

[windy]

PZ is really getting into the Xmas spirit. He scoffs his "vegan dinner with mead".

Then enjoys some Xmas reading - a Popehat article on privilege which culminates in the plaintive cry of freshly minted university undergrad Trotskyists everywhere:

http://www.popehat.com/2013/12/23/burn- ... he-ground/

Wait: PZ "heartily endorses" an article that says 'lefties' and 'righties' are both half right, boils things down to class instead of male white cis hetero supremacy, and isn't too keen on unions? He must have quaffed a lot of that mead :o

Anyhow, happy Boxing Day, or whatever today is where you are!

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[ROBOKiTTY]

Um, I don't think fat men get a free pass. Fat men just have this ability to ignore or avoid insulting assholes, something feminists never do. There are plenty of photos of fat guys that draw the same sorts of "die" comments. She also womansplained life as a fat man while accusing microsoft engineers of "mansplaining" to fat women. :P

To this I will only note the kernel of truth. For example in America, the vast.. vasssssst... majority of comedy programing features a fat homely man and a skinny wife. I can only conclude that somewhere, maybe it's a Hollywood suits thought cult, maybe it's actually the audience, or a terrible union of both, but there's a preponderance of influential belief that generally in society it's more ok for a guy to be a fat slob than a woman. Don't know that it's true, but the belief is definitely there.

Perhaps I'm watching the ads for those shows with an overly critical eye, but I don't think so. As my only evidence I will bring up Will and Grace, who once had a moment in their show where they sat on a couch to watch tv, and it was *click*, and they both said "fat guy skinny wife" robotically, in unison, then again *click* "fatguyskinnywife", and again about three or four times. Then shut off the tv :D

Anyway, once you see something like that and draw conclusions, it can be terribly tempting to start seeing it _everywhere_, to the point of absurdity (and hilarity). But that's exactly an SJW's addiction, they can't get enough of hysteria and drama.

They are just awful!

Is that really the case?

I mean in terms of modern TV sitcoms that follow the fat guy skinny wife thing, you have what....King of Queens, The Simpsons, Seinfeld kinda had it for a while when it was focusing on the George/Susan relationship...but you know what. Nothing else comes to mind. There might be a lot of short-run series that followed that esthetic, but they're entirely forgettable.

If you're talking about homely guy attractive wife, then it opens it up a bit..but not THAT much. I guess it depends on what you see as homely. Ed O'Neil from Married With Children? Probably (although that show is a relationship dystopia). Is Ray Romano homely? Tim Allen? Probably not. (I'd actually argue that John Goodman from Roseanne, a show which doesn't fit at all, is actually extremely attractive for a larger man).

OK, I looked it up and there's a lot more than I thought, but at least to me that's still not a LOT. It's a good number, there's a few that come from large ensemble shows (so I'm not sure that they should be on the list), and a bunch that are from dramas (so they don't count for the sitcom meme). But still. There's about a half-dozen currently running shows, more or less that feature the trope. Which actually is a lot for any given period, but I don't think that it's an absurd number. It's something that's always been around, about 3-4 shows at any given time which feature that trope. And it makes sense why.

You probably should blame Jackie Gleeson for it. Basically it's a bunch of shows trying to emulate The Honeymooners.

There's another possibility. Homely and/or fat women just don't get into acting as much because of the extreme judging and bullying (most of it female-on-female) that goes on. This would therefore reduce the pool of average young women in the industry, leading scriptwriters to avoid casting them, thus creating a self-perpetuating cycle.

Meanwhile, there's never going to be any shortage of average/fat men for disposable roles or comic relief. My impression is also that men tend not to get judged based on their appearances quite as much, unless they're effeminate men. Even then, the focus tends to be more on behaviour and social connections than appearance.

You can sort of see a similar thing going on in other media. When Susan Boyle went viral, there was a lot of vicious talk about her appearance. Adele gets blasted all the time for being fat, too.

[Pitchguest]

Haha. Do all the shit take place in Florida?

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/12/25/f ... gun-range/

[welch]

Haha. Do all the shit take place in Florida?

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/12/25/f ... gun-range/

That's just a stray bullet story. You gotta get a lot weirder than that to raise eyebrows down here.

[Karmakin]

Is that really the case?

I mean in terms of modern TV sitcoms that follow the fat guy skinny wife thing, you have what....King of Queens, The Simpsons, Seinfeld kinda had it for a while when it was focusing on the George/Susan relationship...but you know what. Nothing else comes to mind. There might be a lot of short-run series that followed that esthetic, but they're entirely forgettable.

If you're talking about homely guy attractive wife, then it opens it up a bit..but not THAT much. I guess it depends on what you see as homely. Ed O'Neil from Married With Children? Probably (although that show is a relationship dystopia). Is Ray Romano homely? Tim Allen? Probably not. (I'd actually argue that John Goodman from Roseanne, a show which doesn't fit at all, is actually extremely attractive for a larger man).

OK, I looked it up and there's a lot more than I thought, but at least to me that's still not a LOT. It's a good number, there's a few that come from large ensemble shows (so I'm not sure that they should be on the list), and a bunch that are from dramas (so they don't count for the sitcom meme). But still. There's about a half-dozen currently running shows, more or less that feature the trope. Which actually is a lot for any given period, but I don't think that it's an absurd number. It's something that's always been around, about 3-4 shows at any given time which feature that trope. And it makes sense why.

You probably should blame Jackie Gleeson for it. Basically it's a bunch of shows trying to emulate The Honeymooners.

There's another possibility. Homely and/or fat women just don't get into acting as much because of the extreme judging and bullying (most of it female-on-female) that goes on. This would therefore reduce the pool of average young women in the industry, leading scriptwriters to avoid casting them, thus creating a self-perpetuating cycle.

Meanwhile, there's never going to be any shortage of average/fat men for disposable roles or comic relief. My impression is also that men tend not to get judged based on their appearances quite as much, unless they're effeminate men. Even then, the focus tends to be more on behaviour and social connections than appearance.

You can sort of see a similar thing going on in other media. When Susan Boyle went viral, there was a lot of vicious talk about her appearance. Adele gets blasted all the time for being fat, too.

Well that's certainly true as well. I'm not one to deny that the expectations for women are higher than they are the expectations for men in a lot of ways, I just think that a lot of modern online feminism is actually making the problem worse, and not better. There's a certain crabs in the bucket mentality that's not only being not pushed back against, IMO there's a good amount of actually supporting this sort of thing. They want to blame it all on the menz and be done with it

Actually I'm not convinced that this is something we can do something about. Seems to me that there are obvious evolutionary benefits to why women tend to be extremely socially competitive, and until that's recognized and accepted on a broad level it's going to be very difficult to mitigate the damage/negative from it.

[Southern]

Speaking of Christmas, was anyone else sort of indifferent to the Who sendoff?

Who'?

[debaser71]

fat shaming = terrible evil done by misogynist men
creep shaming = life saving good done by pure women

Fuck you, SJW's.

[ERV]

Um, I don't think fat men get a free pass. Fat men just have this ability to ignore or avoid insulting assholes, something feminists never do. There are plenty of photos of fat guys that draw the same sorts of "die" comments. She also womansplained life as a fat man while accusing microsoft engineers of "mansplaining" to fat women. :P

To this I will only note the kernel of truth. For example in America, the vast.. vasssssst... majority of comedy programing features a fat homely man and a skinny wife. I can only conclude that somewhere, maybe it's a Hollywood suits thought cult, maybe it's actually the audience, or a terrible union of both, but there's a preponderance of influential belief that generally in society it's more ok for a guy to be a fat slob than a woman. Don't know that it's true, but the belief is definitely there.

Perhaps I'm watching the ads for those shows with an overly critical eye, but I don't think so. As my only evidence I will bring up Will and Grace, who once had a moment in their show where they sat on a couch to watch tv, and it was *click*, and they both said "fat guy skinny wife" robotically, in unison, then again *click* "fatguyskinnywife", and again about three or four times. Then shut off the tv :D

Anyway, once you see something like that and draw conclusions, it can be terribly tempting to start seeing it _everywhere_, to the point of absurdity (and hilarity). But that's exactly an SJW's addiction, they can't get enough of hysteria and drama.

They are just awful!

Are these pairings supporting "its more ok for a guy to be a fat slob than a woman", or is it pandering? Letting the target viewers (fat slobs) live out fantasies (hot wife, funny life) via the characters?

I think this potential pandering is more obvious in, say, Joss Whetons work. In my opinion, most of the men, while not 'fat slobs', are Average Joes (or just peculiar/unique looking). The women, on the other hand, are smoking hot.

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Also Dollhouse but I cant find any good pics from that show because no one watched it.

[another lurker]

Haha. Do all the shit take place in Florida?

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/12/25/f ... gun-range/

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[another lurker]

Um, I don't think fat men get a free pass. Fat men just have this ability to ignore or avoid insulting assholes, something feminists never do. There are plenty of photos of fat guys that draw the same sorts of "die" comments. She also womansplained life as a fat man while accusing microsoft engineers of "mansplaining" to fat women. :P

To this I will only note the kernel of truth. For example in America, the vast.. vasssssst... majority of comedy programing features a fat homely man and a skinny wife. I can only conclude that somewhere, maybe it's a Hollywood suits thought cult, maybe it's actually the audience, or a terrible union of both, but there's a preponderance of influential belief that generally in society it's more ok for a guy to be a fat slob than a woman. Don't know that it's true, but the belief is definitely there.

Perhaps I'm watching the ads for those shows with an overly critical eye, but I don't think so. As my only evidence I will bring up Will and Grace, who once had a moment in their show where they sat on a couch to watch tv, and it was *click*, and they both said "fat guy skinny wife" robotically, in unison, then again *click* "fatguyskinnywife", and again about three or four times. Then shut off the tv :D

Anyway, once you see something like that and draw conclusions, it can be terribly tempting to start seeing it _everywhere_, to the point of absurdity (and hilarity). But that's exactly an SJW's addiction, they can't get enough of hysteria and drama.

They are just awful!

Are these pairings supporting "its more ok for a guy to be a fat slob than a woman", or is it pandering? Letting the target viewers (fat slobs) live out fantasies (hot wife, funny life) via the characters?

I think this potential pandering is more obvious in, say, Joss Whetons work. In my opinion, most of the men, while not 'fat slobs', are Average Joes (or just peculiar/unique looking). The women, on the other hand, are smoking hot.

http://static.wetpaint.me/network/ROOT/ ... 320.jpgimg]http://www.cheese-magnet.com/wp-content ... 24x633.jpg

Also Dollhouse but I cant find any good pics from that show because no one watched it.

I duno. Nathan Fillion is pretty hot, imo. Even if his wide set eyes are off-putting. The top two are definitely mismatched however.

I do think, however, that there is something else at play here. A male actor cannot be too gorgeous or it will turn off male viewers. A man that is too beautiful is just un-relateable? Or maybe it's just the creepy factor...

Take Peter Gallagher; I don't think he ever could have made it as a big star because he was just soooo damn beautiful:

http://goguiltypleasures.files.wordpres ... rmania.jpg

[Gumby]

Also, 8 posts away from my 4000th. What do I get?

Banned.

[mikelf]

[youtube]P37xPiRz1sg[/youtube]

I fucking HATE that bastard. Motherfucking rip-off douche bag. Rebuilt his shit-ass self and career by fucking people over. If he died in a fire, it be fucking karma.

Your going to have to help me out here. I am certainly not well versed in the trials and tribulations of the music industry, but I am not aware of Keen screwing anyone over. I am aware that Toby Keith pretty much ripped off REK's "The Road Goes on Forever," but a cursory review of Google doesn't turn up even the hint of controversy around REK.

So, what gives?

[ERV]

I duno. Nathan Fillion is pretty hot, imo. Even if his wide set eyes are off-putting. The top two are definitely mismatched however.

I do think, however, that there is something else at play here. A male actor cannot be too gorgeous or it will turn off male viewers. A man that is too beautiful is just un-relateable? Or maybe it's just the creepy factor...

Take Peter Gallagher; I don't think he ever could have made it as a big star because he was just soooo damn beautiful:

http://goguiltypleasures.files.wordpres ... rmania.jpg

Or they can make people just look like people? Its one of the reasons I like British TV. The actors and their characters look like people, not ACTORS!!!! *jazzhands*

[JacquesCuze]

I duno. Nathan Fillion is pretty hot, imo. Even if his wide set eyes are off-putting. The top two are definitely mismatched however.

I do think, however, that there is something else at play here. A male actor cannot be too gorgeous or it will turn off male viewers. A man that is too beautiful is just un-relateable? Or maybe it's just the creepy factor...

Take Peter Gallagher; I don't think he ever could have made it as a big star because he was just soooo damn beautiful:

http://goguiltypleasures.files.wordpres ... rmania.jpg

Or they can make people just look like people? Its one of the reasons I like British TV. The actors and their characters look like people, not ACTORS!!!! *jazzhands*

I duno. Nathan Fillion is pretty hot, imo. Even if his wide set eyes are off-putting. The top two are definitely mismatched however.

I do think, however, that there is something else at play here. A male actor cannot be too gorgeous or it will turn off male viewers. A man that is too beautiful is just un-relateable? Or maybe it's just the creepy factor...

Take Peter Gallagher; I don't think he ever could have made it as a big star because he was just soooo damn beautiful:

http://goguiltypleasures.files.wordpres ... rmania.jpg

Or they can make people just look like people? Its one of the reasons I like British TV. The actors and their characters look like people, not ACTORS!!!! *jazzhands*

Yeah, it may be because I am an older geek with no fashion sense, but I am truly tired of seeing every new show have casts filled by young supermodels (men too) but where every cast member has million dollar fashion budgets.

As for British TV looking like real people, I wonder if that might be going away. Luther suffered from beautiful people disease too. And it wasn't just Luther but all of his various companions. Young, great looks, great clothes. Just to be a detective. Makes me wish even harder my engineering degree came with a semester or two of how to dress to the 9s for business and not be throttled by your tie.

Maybe when you're placed on the ludicrous murder squad they give you plastic surgery and a clothing budget.

[katamari Damassi]

I duno. Nathan Fillion is pretty hot, imo. Even if his wide set eyes are off-putting. The top two are definitely mismatched however.

I do think, however, that there is something else at play here. A male actor cannot be too gorgeous or it will turn off male viewers. A man that is too beautiful is just un-relateable? Or maybe it's just the creepy factor...

Take Peter Gallagher; I don't think he ever could have made it as a big star because he was just soooo damn beautiful:

http://goguiltypleasures.files.wordpres ... rmania.jpg

Or they can make people just look like people? Its one of the reasons I like British TV. The actors and their characters look like people, not ACTORS!!!! *jazzhands*

Totally with you on this. In American movies and TV shows everyone has to be beautiful. Why are all the district attorneys hot 30 year old women?
Whenever Hollywood remakes a good foreign film the first thing they do to ruin it is cast beautiful people. Look at the difference between La Femme Nikita and its terrible American remake Point of No Return.

Every time I see a foreign film that I like I always play the game: How will Hollywood ruin this? Point of No Return is the benchmark in that it gets everything wrong.

[katamari Damassi]

If you haven't seen the Doctor Who Christmas Special today featuring the end of the 12th and the regeneration into the new, I wanted to point out that: (possible spoilers)

http://i.imgur.com/dmXXhcs.jpg

The SJL has been alternating between screaming and pouting because a disabled, genderqueer of color wasn't chosen as the next Doctor and many claim to be done with this show. Anyone want to bet when enthusiastic Who talk backs resume on on their blogs and forums?

[Pitchguest]

Speaking of Christmas, was anyone else sort of indifferent to the Who sendoff?

Who'?

Doctor Who. :rimshot:

[katamari Damassi]

Sounds like the Slymepit is famous on Rawstory too. Since when did that website get taken over by SJWs?

Except for Marcotte, I don't think they've gone over the edge yet. I just learned that one of my favorite liberal bloggers, Tbogg is there now, even though a couple of months ago it seemed like he was retiring from blogging. Glad to see he's back. He's sensibly progressive, smart, fun and often used to mock the SJL.

[ROBOKiTTY]

Sounds like the Slymepit is famous on Rawstory too. Since when did that website get taken over by SJWs?

Except for Marcotte, I don't think they've gone over the edge yet. I just learned that one of my favorite liberal bloggers, Tbogg is there now, even though a couple of months ago it seemed like he was retiring from blogging. Glad to see he's back. He's sensibly progressive, smart, fun and often used to mock the SJL.

It's just the comment section is always full of Marcotte's sycophants, and any dissent gets downvoted. Even in that silly hating-cats-is-misogyny article, anything critical of her thesis is downvoted.

Hating cats is self-evidently not misogyny; it's misfelinity and a crime against KiTTY. :snooty:

[JacquesCuze]

Sounds like the Slymepit is famous on Rawstory too. Since when did that website get taken over by SJWs?

Except for Marcotte, I don't think they've gone over the edge yet. I just learned that one of my favorite liberal bloggers, Tbogg is there now, even though a couple of months ago it seemed like he was retiring from blogging. Glad to see he's back. He's sensibly progressive, smart, fun and often used to mock the SJL.

I'm pissed with TBogg, well, there are a lot of bloggers I am pissed off with.

Not because they allow the Marcotte's to fester, and encourage and defend their patent bullshit, but because I truly miss Mike Royko. So here are these dumbass bloggers that can be counted on to write some real gems at least once a month, and they've been blogging for ten years or more, and with all that energy to they ever think about going a bit more mainstream just enough to actually turn some posts into books (as Royko did), or get regularly published in more traditional media?

Anyway fuck TBogg, while I enjoy most of his posts, his head is wedged far to far up Marcotte's cooch. He's often just another SJW.

And yes, I think most of RawStory is like that.

[Walter Ego]

2013 was really exhausting. Please don't wake me up until 2014 unless there's a fire or someone comes by with some really good pie.

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[free thoughtpolice]

I have to post this between bouts of hysterical laughter.

A+ member "Exi5tentialist" thinks Atheism+ should be more inclusive towards theists, Muslims in particular.

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5772
http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5770
http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5765


I can't imagine why theists wouldn't want to join Atheism+ :doh:

It looks like Exi5tentialist is almost ready to go full "There is only one god but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger":

Gay American Imam

Postby Exi5tentialist » Wed Dec 25, 2013 4:10 am
Here's a story from the US. America's first black gay imam, apparently. Well, the first openly gay one I suppose.

Apparently he's already offering to perform some gay muslim marriages and he gave muslim funeral rites to a gay person who died of Aids. It's odd, I keep being told as a gay guy I must fall into line and recognise islam as a homophobic religion. And yet headlines like this keep making the papers about muslims seeking to set up gay-welcoming mosques or gay muslim groups and not so long ago I met a gay guy who converted to islam. And somehow the relatively small numbers don't particularly matter to me - because it shows to me how any religion can be adapted to the needs of people joining it.

I doubt islam or any religion could be adapted to my needs as an atheist. But you never know. Other religions like buddhism or unitarianism have made themselves available, maybe it's the start of a trend.

He finds a gay Muslim and now realizes it is unfair to categorize Islam as being generally unfriendly to gays(Alex Gabriel syndrome).
On the other hand, if you live in a culture where 99% of people are strongly against rape you live in a rape culture.

[James Caruthers]

fat shaming = terrible evil done by misogynist men
creep shaming = life saving good done by pure women

Fuck you, SJW's.

It's especially interesting when the criteria for calling a man a creep or a loser is "not attractive to the majority of women." This can include poor personal hygiene and obesity, which interestingly enough, are common traits in the women who cry about fat shaming.

The TV discussion is interesting, and I agree there are a lot of tropes in sitcoms, and there is a lot of female-on-female judging happening on TV. Men judge other men in different ways than women do.

But the article I linked was about anonymous internet troll comments and rude blogs (where have we heard that used as an example of patriarchy before?) and not television. Places like 4chan, Twitter and random blogs/YouTube are harsh on both fat men and fat women in equal measure. Basically, anything you reveal about yourself online that others know you are sensitive about will be used to mock you. Fat guys mostly have the ability to ignore that shit. TheAmazingAtheist is a great example. He had two extremely embarrassing porn videos leaked of him, not to mention his weight. He has been mocked frequently, but his responses have been awesome. He plays it off as a joke and lets people know they can't get to him that way. He seems to have accepted that popular internet figures tend to draw a lot of criticism and trolling, and most trolls latch onto whatever they think will hurt you.

Trolling =/= patriarchy. Internet assholes =/= patriarchy. The general sense I get from the fat acceptance crowd (like most SJWs) is that nobody has the right to talk to you or about you in a way you don't approve of.

Damn though, those women-run panel shows can be downright vicious with criticizing the appearance of female contestants. Much like slut-shaming, I think it's mostly women who engage in the most ruthless and cutting appearance-shaming. The claws really come out whenever the women are competing for something.

[another lurker]

Chris Christie is a fine example of how men don't get a free pass for being fatties.

[James Caruthers]

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Since the Pitt is taken over by cat antics today, here is one of my favorite webcomics. Click "view image" to see it in regular view.

[bovarchist]

All I want for Christmas is to be able to post 'Speech has consequences' on Myers' post on the Arab guy who's getting 600 lashes.

[Tony Parsehole]

I'm resting up from the X-Mas revelries here at Wise Acres. I'll probably be napping until 2014.

Wake me up if anything interesting happens.

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http://turcopolier.typepad.com/.a/6a00d ... 8b9970b-pi
Yeah, this is me and my family from yesterday.

[Steersman]

I miss the times when I could walk into a Kmart with a fag in my mouth, pick out a gun and ammo from the back wall and take it to the checkout.

As I already had a gun case at home, I declined to buy another one and I strolled down Yong St. openly carrying my newly acquired Remington 22.250 (in the safe carry position) from Canadian Tyre to my car parked three blocks away. No one freaked out or even looked twice at me.

But that was well over 30 years ago when the area looked like this:

http://www.blogto.com/upload/2011/08/20 ... nge1ED.jpg

Suddenly I'm nostalgic for The Trouble With Tracy.

Thanks for the memory. :-)

Although I see Wikipedia states "It is considered by some to be one of the worst situation comedies ever produced." I don't recollect rolling on the floor with laughter watching it, but I hadn't thought it that bad. The benefits of "soft-focus" memories, I guess. :-)

[Guest]

Um, I don't think fat men get a free pass. Fat men just have this ability to ignore or avoid insulting assholes, something feminists never do. There are plenty of photos of fat guys that draw the same sorts of "die" comments. She also womansplained life as a fat man while accusing microsoft engineers of "mansplaining" to fat women. :P

Anyway, once you see something like that and draw conclusions, it can be terribly tempting to start seeing it _everywhere_, to the point of absurdity (and hilarity). B

People generally date people with similar bodies but of course you can see both lean men and women dating overweight men and women. That's what I see everywhere in reality, at least.

Fat men certainly don't get a free pass, like James said, and it's mostly women doing the fat-shaming in their case.

fat shaming = terrible evil done by misogynist men
creep shaming = life saving good done by pure women

Depends on the "creep-shaming." Have you seen some of the PMs women get on dating websites? That's some (anonymous, after all) creep-shaming I can approve of.

I think this potential pandering is more obvious in, say, Joss Whetons work. In my opinion, most of the men, while not 'fat slobs', are Average Joes (or just peculiar/unique looking). The women, on the other hand, are smoking hot.

Nah, women probably just have weird/unrealistic/(or idiosyncratic, i notice you used "unique looking." intradesting) standards about men's appearance. The "OkTrends" stats are interesting in that regard: http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your- ... ne-dating/

Do you notice you are maybe "settling for men much less attractive than you'd like," ERV? :lol:

[Tribble]

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I fucking HATE that bastard. Motherfucking rip-off douche bag. Rebuilt his shit-ass self and career by fucking people over. If he died in a fire, it be fucking karma.

Your going to have to help me out here. I am certainly not well versed in the trials and tribulations of the music industry, but I am not aware of Keen screwing anyone over. I am aware that Toby Keith pretty much ripped off REK's "The Road Goes on Forever," but a cursory review of Google doesn't turn up even the hint of controversy around REK.

So, what gives?

A shell game. Happens in the entertainment industry.

[Tribble]

Sounds like the Slymepit is famous on Rawstory too. Since when did that website get taken over by SJWs?

Except for Marcotte, I don't think they've gone over the edge yet. I just learned that one of my favorite liberal bloggers, Tbogg is there now, even though a couple of months ago it seemed like he was retiring from blogging. Glad to see he's back. He's sensibly progressive, smart, fun and often used to mock the SJL.

That's where he went? He was all "I"m burnt out, time to go..."

[Southern]

Speaking of Christmas, was anyone else sort of indifferent to the Who sendoff?

Who'?

Doctor Who. :rimshot:

Obligatory:

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[Sunder]

Are these pairings supporting "its more ok for a guy to be a fat slob than a woman", or is it pandering? Letting the target viewers (fat slobs) live out fantasies (hot wife, funny life) via the characters?

I've got an even simpler explanation for this phenomenon: The Honeymooners was popular and Hollywood will replicate a winning formula until the end of time.

[Tony Parsehole]

2013 was really exhausting. Please don't wake me up until 2014 unless there's a fire or someone comes by with some really good pie.

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I don't know whether it's an Instagram filter or a trick of the light but your photos look suspiciously "vintage", Walt.
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Hey all, I'm just sleeping off my Christmas dinner. Wake me up when they invent the car.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Also Dollhouse but I cant find any good pics from that show because no one watched it.

I watched it, and really liked it once it got going.

Yes, Tudyk is dorky looking, but he's a fucking riot. But 6'3" Tahmoh Penikett, who played one of the main Dollhouse characters, is a schlub?

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[Matt Cavanaugh]

Well, our Xmas eve mezze buffet was interrupted by an emergency trip for my dad to the hospital. (He's fine, thank Mithra, just a minor, non-cardiac, syncope). But dad was released xmas day in time to enjoy his favorite meal, ossobuco:

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Instead of veal, I used shanks from 2 yo free range, grass-fed cows, from a local organic farm. The flavor is really fantastic, and after 2 hours of slow cooking on the stovetop, the meat was exquisitely tender.

I've had cows graze on my ranch, and I can vouch for the very pleasant two years these boys live before becoming my xmas dinner. PETA folk: closest we can get right now to the Restaurant at the End of the Universe.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

I have to post this between bouts of hysterical laughter.

A+ member "Exi5tentialist" thinks Atheism+ should be more inclusive towards theists, Muslims in particular.

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5772
http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5770
http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5765


I can't imagine why theists wouldn't want to join Atheism+ :doh:

It looks like Exi5tentialist is almost ready to go full "There is only one god but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger":

Gay American Imam

Postby Exi5tentialist » Wed Dec 25, 2013 4:10 am
Here's a story from the US. America's first black gay imam, apparently. Well, the first openly gay one I suppose.

Apparently he's already offering to perform some gay muslim marriages and he gave muslim funeral rites to a gay person who died of Aids. It's odd, I keep being told as a gay guy I must fall into line and recognise islam as a homophobic religion. And yet headlines like this keep making the papers about muslims seeking to set up gay-welcoming mosques or gay muslim groups and not so long ago I met a gay guy who converted to islam. And somehow the relatively small numbers don't particularly matter to me - because it shows to me how any religion can be adapted to the needs of people joining it.

I doubt islam or any religion could be adapted to my needs as an atheist. But you never know. Other religions like buddhism or unitarianism have made themselves available, maybe it's the start of a trend.

He finds a gay Muslim and now realizes it is unfair to categorize Islam as being generally unfriendly to gays(Alex Gabriel syndrome).
On the other hand, if you live in a culture where 99% of people are strongly against rape you live in a rape culture.

Knew it! It's all about their desire to suck halal cock.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Also, 8 posts away from my 4000th. What do I get?

Banned.

That sounds sexier than it should...

[katamari Damassi]

Suddenly I'm nostalgic for The Trouble With Tracy.

Thanks for the memory. :-)

Although I see Wikipedia states "It is considered by some to be one of the worst situation comedies ever produced." I don't recollect rolling on the floor with laughter watching it, but I hadn't thought it that bad. The benefits of "soft-focus" memories, I guess. :-)

I was a little kid when i saw it in reruns on CFTO and even then I thought it was bad, yet strangely compelling. What I didn't know was that they were a daily program. They taped 5 episodes a week! i had just assumed that I was watching reruns of a weekly show. One of the things I thought interesting in the Wiki entry was that they were reusing scripts from radio shows written in the 30's and just putting in modern references.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Guilty (and\or inquisitive) pleasures of today:

-World War Z (meh)
-Elysium (not bad)
-Armageddon (fuck you people, I have bruce Willis craving!)

[Michael J]

Well, our Xmas eve mezze buffet was interrupted by an emergency trip for my dad to the hospital. (He's fine, thank Mithra, just a minor, non-cardiac, syncope). But dad was released xmas day in time to enjoy his favorite meal, ossobuco:

ossobuco.jpg

Instead of veal, I used shanks from 2 yo free range, grass-fed cows, from a local organic farm. The flavor is really fantastic, and after 2 hours of slow cooking on the stovetop, the meat was exquisitely tender.

I've had cows graze on my ranch, and I can vouch for the very pleasant two years these boys live before becoming my xmas dinner. PETA folk: closest we can get right now to the Restaurant at the End of the Universe.

I remember Peter Singer saying that as a vegetarian, he has no problem with people eating meat as long as the animal has had a reasonably happy life.

[screwtape]

Whenever Hollywood remakes a good foreign film the first thing they do to ruin it is cast beautiful people. Look at the difference between La Femme Nikita and its terrible American remake Point of No Return.

All the same, the original had the gorgeous Anne Parillaud and I suspect Tchéky Karyo is considered handsome by those who fancy stubble. Absolutely agree about them ruining it in the remake though.

[Gefan]

Whenever Hollywood remakes a good foreign film the first thing they do to ruin it is cast beautiful people. Look at the difference between La Femme Nikita and its terrible American remake Point of No Return.

All the same, the original had the gorgeous Anne Parillaud and I suspect Tchéky Karyo is considered handsome by those who fancy stubble. Absolutely agree about them ruining it in the remake though.

You want a Hollywood re-make that should have landed its producers in front of a tribunal in The Hague?

One word for you: Sommersby.

A desecration of La Retour de Martin Guerre that almost got me thrown out of a theater because I couldn't contain what I thought was perfectly appropriate laughter.
I think was laughing because I'm averse to weeping in public.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

"La Femme Nikita". This pissed me off no end at the time I learned aout that American title.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Whenever Hollywood remakes a good foreign film the first thing they do to ruin it is cast beautiful people. Look at the difference between La Femme Nikita and its terrible American remake Point of No Return.

All the same, the original had the gorgeous Anne Parillaud and I suspect Tchéky Karyo is considered handsome by those who fancy stubble. Absolutely agree about them ruining it in the remake though.

You want a Hollywood re-make that should have landed its producers in front of a tribunal in The Hague?

One word for you: Sommersby.

A desecration of La Retour de Martin Guerre that almost got me thrown out of a theater because I couldn't contain what I thought was perfectly appropriate laughter.
I think was laughing because I'm averse to weeping in public.

I think we're of one mind here. I still have a VHS of Martin Guerre.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Mind you, I don't have a VHS player anymore (aaaannnd, two posts to go).

[another lurker]

Tcheky Karyo is absolutely gorgeous in that ruggedly handsome way. When I first saw Nikita I couldn't believe how good looking he was. Anne Parillaud is sexy too. Honestly, the American actors were just bland in comparison. But it would appear that blandness sells. Appeals to the lowest common denominator, and so on.

I also checked out that OkCupid link on the top rated women and men on the site and I have to say that I do wonder how much of it simply comes down to the polished look of the top rated photos, and the amateur look of the lower rated photos. I suspect that when people rate looks, especially in photos and film, that not only are they rating the person's physical perfection/imperfection, but they are also rating the quality of the photograph and the person's makeup/surroundings. This is why, as I explained in an earlier example, Ryan Gosling can be considered a hottie - he has the advantage of fame, artsy photos, a tan, and that *expensive* look that artificially raises him a few notches on the 'good looks' scale that he would not be able to attain in otherwise shitty photos.

[free thoughtpolice]

Islamaphobe Matt wrote:

Knew it! It's all about their desire to suck halal cock.

I think the kneeling and sticking their butt in the air five times a day likely also has some draw.

[Tribble]

Islamaphobe Matt wrote:

Knew it! It's all about their desire to suck halal cock.

I think the kneeling and sticking their butt in the air five times a day likely also has some draw.

What, the Muslim equivalent of a Catholic Boys Choir?

[paddybrown]

Speaking of Christmas, was anyone else sort of indifferent to the Who sendoff?

I enjoyed it. Not as good as the 50th anniversary, but one of those great fun Moffat scripts that skirts the very edge of making sense, and moves too fast to let you think too much about the absurdity of it, while still keeping you hooked. There's a sense with Moffat that he likes to write himself into corners just to challenge himself to get out of them. Seat of the pants storytelling. I enjoy it. I know some people don't.

[paddybrown]

Um, I don't think fat men get a free pass. Fat men just have this ability to ignore or avoid insulting assholes, something feminists never do. There are plenty of photos of fat guys that draw the same sorts of "die" comments. She also womansplained life as a fat man while accusing microsoft engineers of "mansplaining" to fat women. :P

To this I will only note the kernel of truth. For example in America, the vast.. vasssssst... majority of comedy programing features a fat homely man and a skinny wife.

I think one thing that feeds into this is that men are allowed/expected to a much greater extent to be the butt of the joke. If you made a female character as much of a loser or as much of a reprobate as male characters are allowed to be, you'd be in big trouble with the target audience, who are women.

[paddybrown]

And finally, an appeal. Soundcloud wouldn't let me put up "The Social Justice League" because it's in copyright. I'd like to populate my Soundcloud page a bit more. Anybody in the pit either know any good public domain songs I could record, or write songs themselves and wouldn't mind me recording them? I've already put up a quick demo of a song by a Facebook friend.