If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

Gumby wrote:

Gefan wrote:[.youtube]BUxdpJne0VU[/youtube]

Wherein:

"Operation Delete Fucking Everything" rolls on.
The stars of the Peezus Youth witness their leader's grief at a tragic loss.

:clap: :lol: :clap:

Fucking brilliant.
I've only done one of these, but I still have a pretty good idea of what it takes to make one that both goes with the scene AND lampoons your target(s). It's not as easy as it might appear. Bravo.

Parody Accountant wrote:
My friend's roommate was there, and he sent me an email about this incident.

"Michael Shermer was driving the Star Destroyer. Shermer had stolen it moments earlier. I didn't report it, because I was in shock.

I feel like a green triangle, and my cousin is a banana. Also suicide."

Southern wrote:

yomomma wrote:Not sure how I missed this before, but Creative Pooper wrote a blog post about how he's falling on the sword for feminism:

http://www.freezepage.com/1376929451OTYDKVRZIX

Weird thing is, he says he's never even been to a skeptic event, but claims in his original suicide note, that Shermer raped him at TAM 6.

I guess the SJW are really making an impact on the most emotionally stable.

If that's the standard of evidence PZ Myers got to accuse Shermer...

Gefan wrote:

Parody Accountant wrote:
My friend's roommate was there, and he sent me an email about this incident.

"Michael Shermer was driving the Star Destroyer. Shermer had stolen it moments earlier. I didn't report it, because I was in shock.

I feel like a green triangle, and my cousin is a banana. Also suicide."

Hugo Schwyzer? Is that you?

Quote (OgreMkV @ Aug. 18 2013,00:38)

So you agree that it is not 100% certain that the alleged event even happened?

You know what will really knock me down, Kevin? Ask me if I was there.

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:

Gumby wrote:There's a SJW apologist nymmed "Cambo13") running rampant through the comment section of Tf00t's latest vid (a must see, if you haven't already) who perfectly encapsulates the SJW brainwashing and lack of critical thought that the FtBers are trying to flood the atheist and skeptic community with. Here, I engage him for a bit but won't bother continuing, because I know from experience it's useless trying to reason with religious fundamentalists.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... aa8fab.jpg

So apparently, people pointing out that Shermer is being libeled and not being granted due process is evidence of "rape culture".

:doh:

'Your denial of [INSERT NEOLOGISM HERE] is proof that [NEOLOGISM] exists.'

Sweet, huh?

Lsuoma wrote:

welch wrote:

SPACKlick wrote: Not the first time it's happened, probably won't be the last time. no sympathies needed, the update was useful though, thanks.

by the way, side benefit to masturbating with ambidextrously, when I break arms I'm always used to typing one handed. Last time I broke my left I was knackered.

On the whole, I'm glad that I've only been hit by cars and vans. I happily give you the "hit by the biggest vehicle without dying" award.

I once took a Star Destroyer to the knee.

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:

Steersman wrote:And the field of crochet has been stagnated for how long now? Imagine the progress in crochet that could have been made, had men not been excluded!

welch wrote:

SPACKlick wrote:

Tony Parsehole wrote:Spacklick, I am very sorry to hear you were hit by a bus even though the way you just tacked the fact onto the end of your comment made it slightly hilarious.

Not the first time it's happened, probably won't be the last time. no sympathies needed, the update was useful though, thanks.

by the way, side benefit to masturbating with ambidextrously, when I break arms I'm always used to typing one handed. Last time I broke my left I was knackered.

On the whole, I'm glad that I've only been hit by cars and vans. I happily give you the "hit by the biggest vehicle without dying" award.

Dick Strawkins wrote:Taslima, size queen of FTB, ponders a difficult question.

Rope apologist wrote:With there being a lot of accusations against Shermer, no really verifiable facts, I thought this might fill in a bit, at least about who is involved. A post by Driver:

JudgeFudge wrote:

Dick Strawkins wrote:Taslima, size queen of FTB, ponders a difficult question.

There's another potential answer to Taslima's "Problem":
[youtube]TfHqv8YAA9w[/youtube]

Tribble wrote:http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5143/5829 ... 2fbe6a.jpg

SPACKlick wrote:

Dave wrote:

SPACKlick wrote: I should mention I make a point of stepping out in front of moving vehicles that fail to use their indicators. Usually I can roll with it, this bus, was exiting a roundabout indicating right and didn't slow as much for the turn as it should and swung way to the right, so it hit me much closer to 30 than I was expecting and from a different angle.

I suppose we all need a hobby, but this one seems a bit more intense than stamp collecting.

It can get a bit intense, usually the car stops and the driver yells something and I make a very apologetic "Oh I'm so sorry I didn't see you were coming this way because the little orange lights on your car weren't working. You might one to have a garage look at them, or a doctor if the failure was that your hand couldn't press the switch or a psychologist if you think you're too good to press it yourself. Do travel safely now".

It just really bugs me when drivers don't indicate. I've had near misses more often when it wasn't intentional than intentional. And it's only once been a serious injury. Lorry full of sheep drove over my leg after i'd been knocked down by a micra, crushed some nerves, couldn't feel my leg for about a month and a half. Pissed me off no end because I shoulda landed on my feet off a micra, amiright?

SPACKlick wrote:

Dave wrote:

SPACKlick wrote: I should mention I make a point of stepping out in front of moving vehicles that fail to use their indicators. Usually I can roll with it, this bus, was exiting a roundabout indicating right and didn't slow as much for the turn as it should and swung way to the right, so it hit me much closer to 30 than I was expecting and from a different angle.

I suppose we all need a hobby, but this one seems a bit more intense than stamp collecting.

It can get a bit intense, usually the car stops and the driver yells something and I make a very apologetic "Oh I'm so sorry I didn't see you were coming this way because the little orange lights on your car weren't working. You might one to have a garage look at them, or a doctor if the failure was that your hand couldn't press the switch or a psychologist if you think you're too good to press it yourself. Do travel safely now".

It just really bugs me when drivers don't indicate. I've had near misses more often when it wasn't intentional than intentional. And it's only once been a serious injury. Lorry full of sheep drove over my leg after i'd been knocked down by a micra, crushed some nerves, couldn't feel my leg for about a month and a half. Pissed me off no end because I shoulda landed on my feet off a micra, amiright?

JudgeFudge wrote:There's another potential answer to Taslima's "Problem":
[youtube]TfHqv8YAA9w [ /youtube]

FrankGrimes wrote:

Jan Steen wrote:Forget Shermer; this case of self-plagiarism is much more serious.

No, not really, but how ethical is it for an author to urge people to pre-order a book that is largely made up of old, freely available material, without telling this up front? It doesn’t look good, if you ask me. I would have felt cheated if I had bought the book.

PZ Myers wrote:The excellent news: I have received the copy-edited manuscript of my book-to-be, The Happy Atheist , from Pantheon. After many delays, it’s finally going to happen for sure! Go pre-order your copy now! Buy buy buy buy buy!

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ence-here/

I'll be writing to the publisher. Might take a while as I've procured the services of my father for advice - an expert in "get off my lawn," Henry Root style letters. These things take a while.

yomomma wrote:

Badger3k wrote:
That thought just struck me reading yours - if there is a rape culture, and we excuse (or celebrate) the men who do it, then what do they think when people like Shermer take action against such allegations? Are they doing it just to keep up the fiction that society (ie Patriarchy) despises rape? I really can't wrap my head around what they might be thinking (and that assumes they are instead of just reacting emotionally), and that may be a good thing.

Stating a FACT has gotten me blocked, ridiculed and banned on various "skeptic" forums with a significant A+ population.

The fact is, rape has fallen more than 60% in the U.S. by almost 60% in the last 10 years (U.S. Department of Justice). But you're not allowed to state the truth because it's at odds with their wholly political agenda. Surely, if there was a rape culture, we would not see this type of decline, no?

There is currently a battle as to whether skepticism continues as an organization based on testing claims or an organization of ideology. Oddly, the A+'ers reconcile this notion by claiming that if you're smart enough to call bullshit on homeopathic medicine (because that is the conclusion of a rocket scientist, don'tchya know), it will undoubtedly lead you to the only righteous political conclusions because with that type of enlightenment, there is a responsibility to take that intelligence and turn it into advocacy for all the dumbfucks out there that need their help. It's a God complex of the highest order. (My armchair psychiatric analyses suggests that it's more of an issue of self esteem and confidence, or lack thereof.)

What perplexes me, is the A+ movement continuing to try to infiltrate and take over the skeptic "movement" when they've created their own organization. PZ has denounced skepticism, so why do they keep coming back to throw rocks? Why can't they just break off and let the free market (yep, I have some Libertarian leanings as well -- sue me) take over? If people want to focus on a tribal group think, then go over there. For people interested in the sciences and the scientific method, stay here. If they are so right and justified, people will flock to their brilliance and skepticism as we know it will go out of business.

Now it's just become political football, with the key players playing the role of David Axelrod.

http://www.rainn.org/get-information/st ... al-assault

yomomma wrote:

welch wrote:
yep.

however, as you've seen, anything like even "you know, they do make a few good points" is OMG YOU WANT TO KILL PEOPLE LIBERTARIAN!!!!

Don't I know it. If you're a Libertarian (or agree with any Libertarians), you're also a rapist. I don't know how this leap was made or why, but it's the antithesis of everything that is supposed to be rational and skeptic. All of Twitter, I keep seeing people who use Shermer's Libertarian leanings as further evidence that he is a serial rapists. It's mind numbing.

AnonymousCowherd wrote:
Check your "facts" privilege. What declined is not rapes, but reports of rapes. Women are so disillusioned/frightened/pissed off with the system that they won't even bother to report the rapes to anyone "official" - even a crime victimisation survey - because nothing be done and they will just have to relive their victimisation trauma again for no reason. This is getting worse as rape culture takes over. Therefore declining reports of rape are PROOF of rape culture. Just as increasing reports would be.

Falsifiability - it's not perfect, but it's your friend. Unless you want to gum up the world with a shitload of vapid nonsense, of course.

yomomma wrote:Boo to no edits. I cannot fix my screwy typos.

Boo.

Hunt wrote:

Dick Strawkins wrote:

Ä uest wrote: It seems odd though. His lawyers must be telling him he has an awesome case, because otherwise they would be telling him to knock it off and do his best to make sure the rest of FTB knocks it off.

Alternatively they might have told him that he's falling out of a tenth floor window with no hope of a gentle landing.
In that case Peezus might just decide that since he's going to be made penniless by his irresponsible action, he might as well get his money's worth. If a tenth floor drop is going to kill him, a twentieth floor drop is hardly less safe.

On the other hand it doesn't appear that he's warning the others to play it safe.

Alternatively, Popehat found nobody to represent him and he's winging it, jumping and hoping the horde, his one and true family outside his children and wife (whom he conveniently forgets to consider when ruminating about conference sex propositions), will catch him.

another lurker wrote:
I think it's because many of the most vocal libertarians are also the most retarded. I visited a libertarian pro-life site, and their fucking mission statement was that 'even in the case of rape, the fetus has a RIGHT to be there'

Fuck you libertarian pro-life assholes, fuck you. Extremists are always idiots, however. Nothing wrong with having some libertarian leanings - the SJW's act, however, as if anyone with such leanings, as you said, is a rapey rapey Randian psycho.

yomomma wrote:

AnonymousCowherd wrote:
Check your "facts" privilege. What declined is not rapes, but reports of rapes. Women are so disillusioned/frightened/pissed off with the system that they won't even bother to report the rapes to anyone "official" - even a crime victimisation survey - because nothing be done and they will just have to relive their victimisation trauma again for no reason. This is getting worse as rape culture takes over. Therefore declining reports of rape are PROOF of rape culture. Just as increasing reports would be.

Falsifiability - it's not perfect, but it's your friend. Unless you want to gum up the world with a shitload of vapid nonsense, of course.

I almost responded to this, with a genuine rebuttal. What's truly scary. It was so close the arguments of the Cult of PZ, it was indistinguishable.

I was nearly bamboozled.


A very fine troll indeed.

another lurker wrote:

yomomma wrote:Boo to no edits. I cannot fix my screwy typos.

Boo.

I make typos and grammatical errors all of the time:P Usually I realize that I could have expressed myself better AFTER I hit submit! But by then it's too late! Oh well, I don't really think the folks here care, as long as one is coherent :P

Gefan wrote:[youtube]BUxdpJne0VU[/youtube]

Wherein:

"Operation Delete Fucking Everything" rolls on.
The stars of the Peezus Youth witness their leader's grief at a tragic loss.

Cunning Punt wrote:Love this one:

AnonymousCowherd wrote:We can go on all we like about the legal aspects of the case, but aside from all that is the will of the participants to continue. Honest lawyers will likely try to talk you out of most litigation, and the earlier they try to do that, the more honest they are likely to be. Everyone in the game knows that Court is a "crap shoot" (if you're US, or "crap chute" if your just a cynic). There's really no such thing as an open and shut case and that might be what popehat was kidding about in his brain fart tweet (no, I don't think so either), which would make popehat look like as cynical a lawyer as they come, instead of just humour impaired.

Anyway, there is either some negotiating going on, or there isn't. The longer it goes, the more advantage to PZ since his alleged libel remains in place and he gets to elaborate it, via his business network, though he will hope this is deniable.

Shermer's people must know this and, having sent the C&D they will, rightly, argue Shermer must continue or lose all credibility - he'd actually be much worse off than if he'd said nothing. Shermer's options are to focus on PZ and the small band of people around him that have financial or other ties, or to go full on after everyone who repeats PZ's claims. The latter will be expensive, and may make him look vindictive if done badly.

AnonymousCowherd wrote: Check your "facts" privilege. What declined is not rapes, but reports of rapes. Women are so disillusioned/frightened/pissed off with the system that they won't even bother to report the rapes to anyone "official" - even a crime victimisation survey - because nothing be done and they will just have to relive their victimisation trauma again for no reason. This is getting worse as rape culture takes over. Therefore declining reports of rape are PROOF of rape culture. Just as increasing reports would be.

Falsifiability - it's not perfect, but it's your friend. Unless you want to gum up the world with a shitload of vapid nonsense, of course.

AnonymousCowherd wrote:

yomomma wrote:

AnonymousCowherd wrote:
Check your "facts" privilege. What declined is not rapes, but reports of rapes. Women are so disillusioned/frightened/pissed off with the system that they won't even bother to report the rapes to anyone "official" - even a crime victimisation survey - because nothing be done and they will just have to relive their victimisation trauma again for no reason. This is getting worse as rape culture takes over. Therefore declining reports of rape are PROOF of rape culture. Just as increasing reports would be.

Falsifiability - it's not perfect, but it's your friend. Unless you want to gum up the world with a shitload of vapid nonsense, of course.

I almost responded to this, with a genuine rebuttal. What's truly scary. It was so close the arguments of the Cult of PZ, it was indistinguishable.

I was nearly bamboozled.


A very fine troll indeed.

Shit yeah! You think I could make this stuff up? I think it was Brecht, or somesuch, who observed that, in an absurd world, it is only necessary to be accurate in order to become aburd oneself.

Gumby wrote:http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... 4fbc43.jpg

Gumby wrote:http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... 4fbc43.jpg

Tony Parsehole wrote:

The Tim Channel wrote:Quick point of order. Help from the FTB experts.

Remember when PZ used to Pharnygulate polls? He could point at a national poll and do some pretty serious damage. I used to be part of that army.

Does he still do that? Does he even have the web traffic to support that kind of thing anymore?

Or is he left with trying to individually Pharnygulate single enemies, one at a time, through focused gossip, rumor, innuendo and false charges?

Just curious.

Enjoy.

His blog-hits are so poor at the minute I doubt his horde could pharyngulate their own polls. Or something...

JudgeFudge wrote:

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:

Steersman wrote:And the field of crochet has been stagnated for how long now? Imagine the progress in crochet that could have been made, had men not been excluded!

Crochet needs to imitate the vanguard in needlepoint:

rosey-grier.jpg

Ape+lust wrote:There's a mini drama explosion going on with some of the FC clowns right now. It looks like JT Eberhard is going to spend the day getting his ass whooped because he's run afoul of the Intent is Not Magic law.

He attended an atheist convention when this happened:

http://i.imgur.com/XPeZcLK.png

JT walked out during Bria's rant. Later he talked to her about it -- meaning he ate a lot of shit, as is proper when speaking to an angry oppressed person -- but stuck to his objections. He did the same when challenged on Twitter. Then he did a loooong write-up on his blog and committed seppuku at the end: he questioned the wisdom of call-out culture and the disproportionate beatdowns for trivial offenses in his community.

Naturally, Rebecca immediately sensed which way the mob was headed and deftly slid to the front, while Crommie and Dillahunty sniped at each other:

http://i.imgur.com/UzzhFxS.png

Fluffy Jen, eager to wear her Big Girl Pants in public, is expressing offense from every angle and shoehorning "White CIS male" into as many tweets as she can. Here's one:

http://i.imgur.com/meVEufo.png

deLurch wrote:

AnonymousCowherd wrote:We can go on all we like about the legal aspects of the case, but aside from all that is the will of the participants to continue. Honest lawyers will likely try to talk you out of most litigation, and the earlier they try to do that, the more honest they are likely to be. Everyone in the game knows that Court is a "crap shoot" (if you're US, or "crap chute" if your just a cynic). There's really no such thing as an open and shut case and that might be what popehat was kidding about in his brain fart tweet (no, I don't think so either), which would make popehat look like as cynical a lawyer as they come, instead of just humour impaired.

Anyway, there is either some negotiating going on, or there isn't. The longer it goes, the more advantage to PZ since his alleged libel remains in place and he gets to elaborate it, via his business network, though he will hope this is deniable.

Shermer's people must know this and, having sent the C&D they will, rightly, argue Shermer must continue or lose all credibility - he'd actually be much worse off than if he'd said nothing. Shermer's options are to focus on PZ and the small band of people around him that have financial or other ties, or to go full on after everyone who repeats PZ's claims. The latter will be expensive, and may make him look vindictive if done badly.

Paul Myer's character assassination directly targets Shermer's reputation and income. Shermer, assuming he did not, do what he is accused of, may have no choice but to pay the legal costs to clear up his reputation. Think about the opportunity cost for Shermer of a completely nuked career. Suddenly an expensive legal battle, although expensive makes more fiscal sense.

On the flip side, I wonder how much more sense to would make to pay a PR firm or tactician to navigate this mess than to dump it all into lawyers.

Parody Accountant wrote:Crom vs Dillahunty a debate moderated by Rebecca Watson.



let's see whose side is more appealing... hmmm. Maybe Taslima is onto something.

Tribble wrote:

AnonymousCowherd wrote: Check your "facts" privilege. What declined is not rapes, but reports of rapes. Women are so disillusioned/frightened/pissed off with the system that they won't even bother to report the rapes to anyone "official" - even a crime victimisation survey - because nothing be done and they will just have to relive their victimisation trauma again for no reason. This is getting worse as rape culture takes over. Therefore declining reports of rape are PROOF of rape culture. Just as increasing reports would be.

Falsifiability - it's not perfect, but it's your friend. Unless you want to gum up the world with a shitload of vapid nonsense, of course.

I'm taking this as sarcasm. Or a Poe. Or ironically pointing out current femsplaining. Because otherwise it's the stupidest thing I've read in two weeks, including the crap from Pope Myers. And I find it difficult to jump to the conclusion anyone could actually believe that.

Ape+lust wrote:

AndrewV69 wrote:BTW. My fave tweet so far:

Did you see Patton Oswalt fuck with everybody's head on Twitter this weekend?

http://hypervocal.com/entertainment/201 ... t-twitter/

Early Cuyler wrote:

Cunning Punt wrote:Love this one:

Analogy fail. :handgestures-thumbdown:

On several levels.

Reinhardt wrote:I've looked at the entire list of symptoms and compared it to my years of reading the Pit. Looks like a dead-on lock, with perhaps a few niggling exceptions.

Reinhardt wrote:I want you to show me that you've ever once gone against the consensus view in the Pit, on any of their core issues. If you have never done so, you aren't in a particularly good place to make assertions about how they deal with dissent from the party line.

Ape+lust wrote:Update: Jen has channeled her angry spew into a thundering blog post, with nasty bad words and everything. You don't like call-out culture, JT? I'm calling you out, silencing non-ally cis-het male white short person!

http://archive.is/EjCaa

AndrewV69 wrote:

Spence wrote:Just gonna drop these here.




I'm sure thunderf00t will just laugh these off, but if they were pointed at Becky it would be unequivocal evidence of misogyny in the atheist movement and straight on the "page o hate" for maximum victim points.

Funny how different things can be depending on who is doing them, through the eyes of an FTBer...

*shrug*

My response:

Whatever man. Fuck. (Die Antwoord)

ERV wrote:

Ape+lust wrote:Update: Jen has channeled her angry spew into a thundering blog post, with nasty bad words and everything. You don't like call-out culture, JT? I'm calling you out, silencing non-ally cis-het male white short person!

http://archive.is/EjCaa

And all Ive done so far today write/format about 50 pages of my dissertation, in addition to doing experiments in the lab.

I am such a failure.

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Ape+lust wrote:

ERV wrote:

Ape+lust wrote:Update: Jen has channeled her angry spew into a thundering blog post, with nasty bad words and everything. You don't like call-out culture, JT? I'm calling you out, silencing non-ally cis-het male white short person!

http://archive.is/EjCaa

And all Ive done so far today write/format about 50 pages of my dissertation, in addition to doing experiments in the lab.

I am such a failure.

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Clearly, you don't care about black people.

AnonymousCowherd wrote:

another lurker wrote:

yomomma wrote:Boo to no edits. I cannot fix my screwy typos.

Boo.

I make typos and grammatical errors all of the time:P Usually I realize that I could have expressed myself better AFTER I hit submit! But by then it's too late! Oh well, I don't really think the folks here care, as long as one is coherent :P

Preview is your friend. But, personally, I hate the bastard because then I have to read the crap I've written.

ERV wrote:

Ape+lust wrote:

ERV wrote:And all Ive done so far today write/format about 50 pages of my dissertation, in addition to doing experiments in the lab.

I am such a failure.

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Clearly, you don't care about black people.

Wait-- I thought I was a Chill Girl who only did HIV research to get huge, black cock?

curriejean wrote:Holy shit, why the fuck did I bother trying to have a discussion with that Damion fellow (under his 'pick a side' post)? He's by all appearances gone off his rocker, assuming he had a rocker in the first place. I don't remember much of his participation here, which took place mostly before I made an account.

Reinhardt wrote:I've looked at the entire list of symptoms and compared it to my years of reading the Pit. Looks like a dead-on lock, with perhaps a few niggling exceptions.

This is the link he included: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink#Symptoms
He didn't bother arguing the point.

Also,

Reinhardt wrote:I want you to show me that you've ever once gone against the consensus view in the Pit, on any of their core issues. If you have never done so, you aren't in a particularly good place to make assertions about how they deal with dissent from the party line.

So learning by reading and observation is good enough for him to come to a conclusion, but not good enough for me to come to a conclusion. Funny.

And then he threw down some blah blah about how a true skeptic wouldn't call PZ's libel 'libel' because we don't absolutely know the accusation is false. Apparently 'true' skeptics are argument-to-moderation milquetoast agnostics. Give me a fucking break.

I'm indulging in some venting here and not there because I've spent enough time with him today. Due to my self-appointment as a member who shields the group from dissenting information, I'm not going to bother linking.

ERV wrote:

Ape+lust wrote:

ERV wrote:
And all Ive done so far today write/format about 50 pages of my dissertation, in addition to doing experiments in the lab.

I am such a failure.

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Clearly, you don't care about black people.

Wait-- I thought I was a Chill Girl who only did HIV research to get huge, black cock?

Ape+lust wrote:Update: Jen has channeled her angry spew into a thundering blog post, with nasty bad words and everything. You don't like call-out culture, JT? I'm calling you out, silencing non-ally cis-het male white short person!

http://archive.is/EjCaa